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dizzyblonde
23-09-08, 12:19 PM
Edit - Split from the orginal thread for the purposes of continuing this discussion - Fizz
I'll give you a penny, and Dave the shiny downpipe clubs show bike ;-)
Ade, seriously, how much you looking for your way? I really want it but would need to source some dosh i spose...
No offence to you plowsie but i seriously think itd be much a bike for you to handle.
i told ady i thought he was mad when he said hed swoped his sv for it
plowsie
24-09-08, 08:28 AM
No offence to you plowsie but i seriously think itd be much a bike for you to handle.
i told ady i thought he was mad when he said hed swoped his sv for it
You'd be suprised ;) Who says I haven't already had a go on one and felt very nice :)
ThEGr33k
24-09-08, 08:44 AM
You'd be suprised ;) Who says I haven't already had a go on one and felt very nice :)
Me I say. :p
plowsie
24-09-08, 09:45 AM
Me I say. :p
You'd be wrong :) :D
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 10:55 AM
Stu, I won't talk as if I'm your mother, as I get that all the time even when I've turned up to places on 150bhp+ bikes. It f###s me off no end.
Just bear in mind big twins are always hungry, tyres, fuel, the rest.
plowsie
24-09-08, 11:16 AM
I know, thats what I have in mind and am thinking hard about it, or getting another IL4.
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 11:18 AM
Nearly bought a TL earlier on this year, but decided a litre bike on a 33bhp license would be taking the pi$$ a bit too much!
plowsie
24-09-08, 11:22 AM
2 months left for me. I heard a T595 start up at Midland Superbikes the other day, fork me did it sound nice! Thinking about about another SS600, something a bit more recent. TL is only if i get a nice payrise really.
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 11:25 AM
T595's are cheap speed.
plowsie
24-09-08, 11:27 AM
Yes and they sound fuggin good with this high level carbon can on it! Pete and Lissa didn't like it, it was rather tinny, but i can imagine it going along.
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 11:30 AM
The triples sound better being ragged, don't have the nice tickover of the V twins though.
My dad had a T5 with some wunoff underseat pipes, that sounded like the end of the earth, way deeper note than the standard triumph race can.
Only problem is they don't have a reputation for being reliable motors, early ones eating gearboxes etc.
Mr Speirs
24-09-08, 11:34 AM
MMM that T595 had 10k miles written on the info sheet on the bike but on the interweb its saying 23k.
It was a very nice bike tho and the price has gone down. It was £2850 or thereabouts but now its £2500.
Insurance will be a bit steep won't it? I got a quote for a Triumph something or nothing and it was expensive.
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 11:36 AM
Yes the daytona is in a high group, slightly lower than jap thous but still more expensive than the tillis from the quotes I've done.
(can you tell what I've been looking into as a next bike....)
plowsie
24-09-08, 11:39 AM
The triples sound better being ragged, don't have the nice tickover of the V twins though.
My dad had a T5 with some wunoff underseat pipes, that sounded like the end of the earth, way deeper note than the standard triumph race can.
Only problem is they don't have a reputation for being reliable motors, early ones eating gearboxes etc.
Yeah I know which is why I'm not 100% keen on a Triumph. Gramps has owned 3 from new with his last bikes and never had probs but I may go and has a test ride on that 595 when I'm full licence (de-restricted) see what she's like :). And if its still there.
plowsie
24-09-08, 11:40 AM
Yes the daytona is in a high group, slightly lower than jap thous but still more expensive than the tillis from the quotes I've done.
(can you tell what I've been looking into as a next bike....)
You told me you wanted a Daytona or summit like that, can't remember.
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 11:45 AM
Yeah looking at either a t595/955i (would be turned into a speed triple though, I'm not a fan of fairings) or a TLS (would also probably get naked-ified). However I wouldn't touch a TLS with the standard shock in it.
You'd be suprised ;) Who says I haven't already had a go on one and felt very nice :)
A short test ride is nothing like day to day owning/riding it :rolleyes:,
i speak from experience here with the 675-loved it on test ride yet its taken me 6mths + to start feeling confident and settled with her (also alot of persuading from treacle to keep her) and i willa dmit i do sometimes till wish id bought/kept a sv
iirc it wasnt long ago you said you werent feeling 100% on the sv, not lecturing but id stick with 600s for awhile longer-The tl isnt exactly a very forgiving bike and we dont want to here youve run your foot over again or worse ok ;)
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 12:13 PM
I've had lots of people tell me not to get one, that they're total deathtraps, funnily enough none of those people seem to have ever ridden one :-P
I don't see point of sticking with a 600, CBR's etc can be fun, but that forgiving nature does tend to make you push harder than you should. A big bike can sometimes make you take a big step back.
dizzyblonde
24-09-08, 12:52 PM
meh...boys and big toys .... leave em alone. Don't even bother thinking til unrestricted, and used to extra power. You'll only get your fingers burnt, then its too late. Mom mode..my opinion.. your welcome.
plowsie
24-09-08, 01:08 PM
A short test ride is nothing like day to day owning/riding it :rolleyes:,
i speak from experience here with the 675 [/COLOR]-loved it on test ride yet its taken me 6mths + to start feeling confident and settled with her (also alot of persuading from treacle to keep her) and i willa dmit i do sometimes till wish id bought/kept a sv
iirc it wasnt long ago you said you werent feeling 100% on the sv, not lecturing but id stick with 600s for awhile longer-The tl isnt exactly a very forgiving bike and we dont want to here youve run your foot over again or worse ok ;)
How many miles you done on it now? 1000? In the three months I have had the SV, I've racked up 5000.
The post about me not feeling confident was after an off and I'm certainly a lot more confident on it. I know the risks etc, I'm not gonna go out and bust myself up and think I'm a moto GP rider straight away, thats just stupid. I'm not definately thinking of getting one. The only thing that is putting me off is what YC said and also similar to Ady, problems around town. We'll see.
ThEGr33k
24-09-08, 01:33 PM
Yes and they sound fuggin good with this high level carbon can on it! Pete and Lissa didn't like it, it was rather tinny, but i can imagine it going along.
I not found any that sound great to be honest... they are OK.
The triples sound better being ragged, don't have the nice tickover of the V twins though.
My dad had a T5 with some wunoff underseat pipes, that sounded like the end of the earth, way deeper note than the standard triumph race can.
My old mans sprint ST with no silencer is quieter than my bike with blue flames on! Dont get it to be honest, my bike with no exhaust hurts the ears!
How many miles you done on it now? 1000? In the three months I have had the SV, I've racked up 5000.
If you are doing that sort of mileage then I would stay away from a TL, itll cost you a fortune in fuel and tyres!
Are you both (YC & Plowsie) still limited? If you are then wait till you get the power in the SV, the TL wont handle very well in comparison to the SV I can almost guarentee. No not ridden a TL, but they arnt known for great turning ability.
Problem when you get a nice bike and get confident with it you have things happen like what happened to me where you get over confident and dont slow down when you should, then things can happen that shouldnt :( So just go steady ;)
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 01:39 PM
Yes still restricted, I'll get one when it suits. SV is quick enough to spank the big bikes anyway.
plowsie
24-09-08, 01:39 PM
the TL wont handle very well in comparison to the SV I can almost guarentee. No not ridden a TL, but they arnt known for great turning ability.
And was that in a test against an SV?
I can see it now, CBR1000RR vs C90, the C90 has a much better turning circle than the Blade...No **** :lol:
I see what your getting at Greek, problem is, till people have ridden one and even magazines, a bike isn't built to suit every rider is it? It can be suited more to one than the another.
TBH the rumours of what they are like aren't gonna stop me riding one, or getting one. Do we all stop riding bikes cos of the horror stories? Nope.
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 01:40 PM
Hey a C90 is a dangerous tankslappering beast too.
plowsie
24-09-08, 01:41 PM
Hey a C90 is a dangerous tankslappering beast too.
Oh **** better stay away from one then!
How many miles you done on it now? 1000? In the three months I have had the SV, I've racked up 5000.
The post about me not feeling confident was after an off and I'm certainly a lot more confident on it. I know the risks etc, I'm not gonna go out and bust myself up and think I'm a moto GP rider straight away, thats just stupid. I'm not definately thinking of getting one. The only thing that is putting me off is what YC said and also similar to Ady, problems around town. We'll see.
Ive done 2500 on the 675, 10000 on my first sv, 1000 ish on second and im on a full licence and have been rding alot longer than you.
i also dont see what doing certain milage on bike has do with it-you seem to be missing the point- i did a 200 mile test ride on 675 and loved it, when the reality came to using it dayt to day-different story-hence low mileYour not gonna go out and bust yourself up? how many offs/near misses/scares etc on the 3 bikes so far?:rolleyes:
Anyways thats my 2p, hope you get it swopped Ady-i'll ask at work if anyones intrested :cool:
fizzwheel
24-09-08, 07:05 PM
Split from the Swap my TL thread...
Dangerous Dave
24-09-08, 07:06 PM
If you want to discuss the TL and its merits, start a new thread maybe ?
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=118294
ThEGr33k
24-09-08, 09:24 PM
Yes still restricted, I'll get one when it suits. SV is quick enough to spank the big bikes anyway.
Man I didnt realise you were when we went out on the catherine wheel ride out.
That explains some things... I noticed out of the corners your bike was sluggish and tended to just make more noise when the throttle was open. LOL. :rolleyes: I wondered if it was just that exhaust completly screwing the power. ha ha.
As for getting a TL you really shouldnt think about it till you have experianced the full power SV imo. You will be happy with that for at least a little while and if you feel you need more then start thinking about it. :)
yorkie_chris
24-09-08, 09:27 PM
Like I say, when it suits.
amnesia
24-09-08, 09:29 PM
Plowsie...just to pee in the mix somemore...
A friend of mine moved from a 600 bandit he had done 20k+ miles on in all weathers to a TLR. He just 'had' to have one. It got under his skin, one came up for sale locally and he jumped at it. He was restricted so he bought it without a test ride.
For the first few weeks he loved it. He rode it every day in all weathers as his only form of transport. With a pair of Beowulf cans on it sounds immense. The power is almost neverending compared to the SV too.
We did one 300mile run down the motorway together and the fuel consumption wasn't that much worse than my SV. Sure, you can empty a tank in 50meters - or you can be more sensible and get a respectable distance from it.
However, a couple of confidence sapping moments bought the love affair crashing to an end and he chopped it after 2 months for a FZ1 - basically 'running home' to what he knew - IL4, upright, naked...just with an awful lot more grunt. You cannot put a price on confidence.
He had issues with it in traffic. They run hot, and they will lightly roast your bits n pieces - but so did the R1 I went for a spin on so its not unique in this respect.
He found the clutch heavy and also the weight of the bike was a bit of an issue. I rode it and it is way different to the SV. if you try to ride it with the same amount of physical effort as an SV you will very soon find yourself grass-tracking or hedgehunting. From my short ride on it I found that it really needed to be muscled through any change of direction. Not a problem, just a difference.
Was it a mistake for him to buy it? God no. If he hadn't done it now he would have done it next month, or next year.
Basically, if its what you want unless something comes along that betters it you will probably always want one.
plowsie
24-09-08, 10:13 PM
i also dont see what doing certain milage on bike has do with it
Miles don't add anything to experience no???
Your not gonna go out and bust yourself up? how many offs/near misses/scares etc on the 3 bikes so far?:rolleyes:
4 bikes so far ;) And many love many, how many times you been knocked off? Did you not rear end someone on a bike too(this could be a different person...)? Slipped off on ice?
I've had, ohh err, 3 offs, 1 not been my fault as the **** in front left me no option, the other two were. Ohh yeah and theres the drive away when i was rear ended...
I've clocked my mileage up too. 30k in less than two years...1 off every 10k...
I've rode full power SV's, thats no secret, I got on well with them, I just want a little more grunt...
A question for you...Have you seen me ride?
plowsie
24-09-08, 10:14 PM
Plowsie...just to pee in the mix somemore...
A friend of mine moved from a 600 bandit he had done 20k+ miles on in all weathers to a TLR. He just 'had' to have one. It got under his skin, one came up for sale locally and he jumped at it. He was restricted so he bought it without a test ride.
For the first few weeks he loved it. He rode it every day in all weathers as his only form of transport. With a pair of Beowulf cans on it sounds immense. The power is almost neverending compared to the SV too.
We did one 300mile run down the motorway together and the fuel consumption wasn't that much worse than my SV. Sure, you can empty a tank in 50meters - or you can be more sensible and get a respectable distance from it.
However, a couple of confidence sapping moments bought the love affair crashing to an end and he chopped it after 2 months for a FZ1 - basically 'running home' to what he knew - IL4, upright, naked...just with an awful lot more grunt. You cannot put a price on confidence.
He had issues with it in traffic. They run hot, and they will lightly roast your bits n pieces - but so did the R1 I went for a spin on so its not unique in this respect.
He found the clutch heavy and also the weight of the bike was a bit of an issue. I rode it and it is way different to the SV. if you try to ride it with the same amount of physical effort as an SV you will very soon find yourself grass-tracking or hedgehunting. From my short ride on it I found that it really needed to be muscled through any change of direction. Not a problem, just a difference.
Was it a mistake for him to buy it? God no. If he hadn't done it now he would have done it next month, or next year.
Basically, if its what you want unless something comes along that betters it you will probably always want one.
Thanks Amnesia, some more useful info than, ohh your not gonna cope with it cos you can't.
didnt mean to start a big debate people!!! pics soon...........
I absolutely loved my little go on one and am in the process of getting one now:D:D
yea dont get me wrong.... real nice bikes, fast, smooth, n looks the nuts...just too much of a hand full for what i use it for.
fizzwheel
25-09-08, 05:36 AM
Ive done 2500 on the 675, 10000 on my first sv, 1000ish on second
So basically Plowsie has done twice the milleage you have. So thats twice the hours in the seat twisting the throttle, which IMHO is what counts. Its not about how long you've had your license for its about how much time you've actually spent riding it.
Sorry but theres been some right patronising clap trap posted in this thread, if you want the damn TL go and buy it and get it out of your system. At least that way you'll have made your own mind up.
The only peson who knows if you can handle a bike is you. Personally I wouldnt let the opinions of people on an internet forum put me off something especially when they had no real world experience of said motorcyle of their own and are regurgitating the same tired old cliches.
Right I'll get off my soapbox now and go for a ride on my only goes in a straight line, doesnt go round corners, has no midrange and really revvy, cr*p sounding GSXR :rolleyes:
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 05:50 AM
So basically Plowsie has done twice the milleage you have. So thats twice the hours in the seat twisting the throttle, which IMHO is what counts. Its not about how long you've had your license for its about how much time you've actually spent riding it.
Sorry but theres been some right patronising clap trap posted in this thread, if you want the damn TL go and buy it and get it out of your system. At least that way you'll have made your own mind up.
The only peson who knows if you can handle a bike is you. Personally I wouldnt let the opinions of people on an internet forum put me off something especially when they had no real world experience of said motorcyle of their own and are regurgitating the same tired old cliches.
Right I'll get off my soapbox now and go for a ride on my only goes in a straight line, doesnt go round corners, has no midrange and really revvy, cr*p sounding GSXR :rolleyes:
Aye up, you at least got some right :p Who says they dont go round corners :confused:
I agree with some of what you say. But I can say going from a full power to a litre twin (with pretty much the same power output) is a big step, the power is massive in comparison there is more go from any revs in any gear. If you are restricted then that just is going to be mental I really do think it would be silly. I think get at least a couple of thousand miles under the belt on full power SV and ill be happy to recommend a full fat thou twin.
:cool:
fizzwheel
25-09-08, 05:57 AM
I agree with some of what you say. But I can say going from a full power to a litre twin (with pretty much the same power output) is a big step, the power is massive in comparison there is more go from any revs in any gear.
Absoloutly but it that jump any bigger than the jump I made from a 12bhp 125 to a full power SV once I passed my test ?
Is that jump any bigger than the jump I made from my SV to my GSXR ?
If you've two years of all weather all type of riding on a restricted SV such as somebody as Yorkie_Chris will have done by the time his restriction is up or somebody like Plowsie has i.e 30K of milleage in two years ? I dont see why you dont have the skills and the experience to make that jump as long as you have a healty dose of respect for it and ease yourself into it whats the problem.
At best its no worse than passing your DAS in one go and then going and buying a GSXR Thou or similar is it ?
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 06:12 AM
Absoloutly but it that jump any bigger than the jump I made from a 12bhp 125 to a full power SV once I passed my test ?
Is that jump any bigger than the jump I made from my SV to my GSXR ?
Id say yes its worse. 33bhp to ~120BHP (at wheel) is pretty big. The SV in comparison is soft and forgiving, well if the TL is anything like mine. I think even the Gixxer 750 will be soft in comparison... well I read they are, I dont have the exp personally. Think on this, the TL makes 40BHP at 3000RPM!
If you've two years of all weather all type of riding on a restricted SV such as somebody as Yorkie_Chris will have done by the time his restriction is up or somebody like Plowsie has i.e 30K of milleage in two years ? I dont see why you dont have the skills and the experience to make that jump as long as you have a healty dose of respect for it and ease yourself into it whats the problem.
I agree people should be able to do what they want... No doubt they have exp with it but I can honestly say (as ive done a very similar thing) that a full power SV is a MILE better than a slow power one and they should give it a go and get more EXP.
At best its no worse than passing your DAS in one go and then going and buying a GSXR Thou or similar is it ?
No its not but then I dont condone that either ;)
fizzwheel
25-09-08, 06:27 AM
I dont have the exp personally.
Which was the point I was getting at ;)
IMHO tw years real world everyday all conditions riding is more than enough time to gain experience that should mean you make the power jump and live to tell the tale about it.
As I said my first change of bike was a 58bhp increase. Then I went GSXR and thats ( using published crank figures ) is a 74bhp increase.
So going restircted SV to TL using your BHP figure ( which I believe maybe a little optimisitic but its early and I cant be doing with googling it to find out )
Is a 87bhp increase. Which is 13bhp more than I did. When I swapped to my GSXR I had two years of SV riding under my belt. in Which I racked up about 20K in all weathers. So one could argue that I was at a similar stage in my riding career that Plowsie is.
See what I'm saying ?
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 06:37 AM
Which was the point I was getting at ;)
IMHO tw years real world everyday all conditions riding is more than enough time to gain experience that should mean you make the power jump and live to tell the tale about it.
As I said my first change of bike was a 58bhp increase. Then I went GSXR and thats ( using published crank figures ) is a 74bhp increase.
So going restircted SV to TL using your BHP figure ( which I believe maybe a little optimisitic but its early and I cant be doing with googling it to find out )
Is a 87bhp increase. Which is 13bhp more than I did. When I swapped to my GSXR I had two years of SV riding under my belt. in Which I racked up about 20K in all weathers. So one could argue that I was at a similar stage in my riding career that Plowsie is.
See what I'm saying ?
I know what you mean. I still think its better waiting. ha ha.
Though that quote you posted was a little out of context. My career was similar to plowsies, then I did a year on unrestricted SV then moved to the falco, which is a TL without the handling issues so do have exp in a sense (so I read in reviews :p).
I suppose its best to go out and get a test ride...
lukemillar
25-09-08, 06:58 AM
So basically Plowsie has done twice the milleage you have. So thats twice the hours in the seat twisting the throttle, which IMHO is what counts. Its not about how long you've had your license for its about how much time you've actually spent riding it.
Sorry but theres been some right patronising clap trap posted in this thread, if you want the damn TL go and buy it and get it out of your system. At least that way you'll have made your own mind up.
The only peson who knows if you can handle a bike is you. Personally I wouldnt let the opinions of people on an internet forum put me off something especially when they had no real world experience of said motorcyle of their own and are regurgitating the same tired old cliches.
Right I'll get off my soapbox now and go for a ride on my only goes in a straight line, doesnt go round corners, has no midrange and really revvy, cr*p sounding GSXR :rolleyes:
:winner:
Exactly what I was thinking!
Its funny as I don't think it would bother me riding a 1000cc bike, though I have only ever ridden one. A Aprilia Caponord, all the time the only thing I really was thinking about was 'Gee this bike is big'. Something my short 5"6' frame has to think about.
I myself have ridden bikes for 12 years now, and to be honest the only thing that I think I couldn't handle on the TL is the fuel cost.
The TL is like no other bike, but if you ride like a twit then it will kill you same. Its just you might get there quicker in a shorter time on it. Its all down to respect of the bike, which most people have with its fearsome reputation (which Suzuki calmed down but it killed the model). Experience is best, which you need to try to get, and not running your foot over. Which is more what I think Plowise is liable to do.
i agree with grinch (not something I can say I have said very often ;)) I had sv for 7 years and it took me a couple of years and 20000 miles before I felt confident on it and felt I was riding it properly. I now have a raptor (tl engine) and have taken a step back, I dont ride it nearly as hard as the SV. Its a lazier ride, pulls away in any gear, no need to brake etc. I got the raptor not for the big engine or to see peoples faces when I say I (mere female) ride 1000cc bike but because my feet could reach the ground.
I dont understand what all the debate is about (granted didnt read all the posts) but if you want to get a big bike get one, everyone has their own opinion, some valid, most not. If you can afford it why not, life is short enough.
plowsie
25-09-08, 08:33 AM
Wow, somebody who agrees with me :shock: I thought I was on a losing streak there. Cheers Fizz :)
Its not a definate that I will get one as I think that it may be a bit different come winter time when I would have to use it in icy conditions etc. And thoughts about costs (£97 to change my bike to Ady's TL, FOR 3 MONTHS :lol:).
Luckypants
25-09-08, 08:57 AM
I think get at least a couple of thousand miles under the belt on full power SV and ill be happy to recommend a full fat thou twin.
:cool:
What an arrogant statement. :shock:
What bike Plowsie gets when his restriction comes to an end is his business. I know Plowsie runs his bike as daily transport and as a result has plenty of 'experience' of real world all weather biking. If he feels he wants a TL then who are we to say 'no'?
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 09:23 AM
What an arrogant statement. :shock:
What bike Plowsie gets when his restriction comes to an end is his business. I know Plowsie runs his bike as daily transport and as a result has plenty of 'experience' of real world all weather biking. If he feels he wants a TL then who are we to say 'no'?
Arrogant? How? Im commenting from my experience. Sharing this is not what id call arrogant. If plowsie wants one then what I say wont mean jack. All I am saying is that I wouldn't go from one day riding a 33bhp SV to a full fat TL. Id at least want the exp with the full fat SV, see if I like that first. I did that and im sure I benefited from it.
Im sure going from my limited SV to the falco streight off would have been scary and I wouldnt have been able to get as much from the falco as I have been able to without the full power SV.
For anyone who thinks im being a **** then know that I practice what I preach! ;)
I did about 10K miles on a clapped out VT250 (Honda) then went to the SV for the last 1/2 year of restriction in which I did about 8K miles, I then de restricted it for another 17K miles over the following year and a bit. Next I got the Falco and have done another 10K miles since then.
Luckypants
25-09-08, 09:28 AM
Arrogant? How?
" ill be happy to recommend a full fat thou twin. " - sounds like you are saying Plowsie needs your approval.
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 09:49 AM
" ill be happy to recommend a full fat thou twin. " - sounds like you are saying Plowsie needs your approval.
Damn right he does. I guess you dont realise im his mother? :p
Im saying I think its silly doing it any other way and wont say "go get one now if you like" because if something nasty were to happen id be a little upset. No other reason. "Better safe than sorry" summs it up best.
Not sure I'd go for a TL as an everyday Bike - fuel and lugging it out of the drive put me off - plus I'd need it for commuting & it ain't ideal for city riding - heats up in heavy traffic and makes you "Aware" of where the front cylinder is (more of a problem for you than me....)
Anyway that's just me though.... I'm old & Lazy!
rictus01
25-09-08, 11:14 AM
The triples sound better being ragged, don't have the nice tickover of the V twins though.
My dad had a T5 with some wunoff underseat pipes, that sounded like the end of the earth, way deeper note than the standard triumph race can.
Only problem is they don't have a reputation for being reliable motors, early ones eating gearboxes etc.
wunoff's are the way to got, my speed triple has one, after 678,000 miles on various T5's I've had one gearbox go, but to be honest that was mostly my fault (dropped it a couple of gears and savagely engine braked for a corner), but otherwise haven't had a problem with them, although I do know Dan & Sarj which casts another light on the subject :o
Cheers Mark.
dizzyblonde
25-09-08, 11:53 AM
A womans view .. if I may.. looking from the couch ..
And this is not aimed at Plowsie, cause hes a lovely cuddly guy:kiss:
Riding a bike is all in the mind. The TL legend etc is all about blokes and willy waving. OOO I must have a TL then it will prove I am a man. Every one will think I look really mean, cause I got a mean bike etc etc blah blah blah. Also 'young' men or boys seem to think that something like this would prove their metal to the world.... til they fall off.
There is a bloke sat not so far from me, that had some half dozen TZRs in his youth, and got a six month stint in hospital for the privelage, and 10 years of pain for someone elses fault.
As soon as he was able to he went and bought an RD500, which spat him off in dodgy road conditions, which at 19/20 years old, still wasn't enough. Hes gone through another four RD350s, a CBR400rr, FZR600, an SV, 3 SRXs before he said he wanted bigger. Its taken him some 9 years to get it. Various degrees of experience obviously...and naturally gained some very very usefull experience along the way, he went and bought a VRaptor. Yes its a TL, yes its an animal, but then again as Kitkat says, its also a pussycat. I really had my reservations about it at first, but hes got the mindset for it.
End of day, you have to respect the bike you ride. If you want it, go for it, but for all the right reasons. Not as some sort of feather puffing, cause thats the one thats gonna get your fingers burned
Mother mode over;)
Miles don't add anything to experience no???
4 bikes so far ;) And many love many, how many times you been knocked off? Did you not rear end someone on a bike too(this could be a different person...)? Slipped off on ice?
I've had, ohh err, 3 offs, 1 not been my fault as the **** in front left me no option, the other two were. Ohh yeah and theres the drive away when i was rear ended...
I've clocked my mileage up too. 30k in less than two years...1 off every 10k...
I've rode full power SV's, thats no secret, I got on well with them, I just want a little more grunt...
A question for you...Have you seen me ride?
Knocked once-so not my fault, lost front end on ice-not my fault, and "bumped" someone-no damagae done to either bike (plus id only had sv 2 days)
No i havent seen you ride-thats all i'll say on that one though
So basically Plowsie has done twice the milleage you have. So thats twice the hours in the seat twisting the throttle, which IMHO is what counts. Its not about how long you've had your license for its about how much time you've actually spent riding it.
Right I'll get off my soapbox now and go for a ride on my only goes in a straight line, doesnt go round corners, has no midrange and really revvy, cr*p sounding GSXR :rolleyes:
Ermm those were ESTIMATES! on mileage, i rode my first all year round day in and out for 2 years :rolleyes:, had i not been knocked off i could tell you the exact mileage id done on her, same on old sv-bought sold that.
BTW, wanna swop your cr*ppy gsxr for a even cr*pper 675??? least yours works ;)
plowsie
25-09-08, 12:02 PM
Knocked once-so not my fault, lost front end on ice-not my fault, and "bumped" someone-no damagae done to either bike (plus id only had sv 2 days)
No i havent seen you ride-thats all i'll say on that one though
Yes but you've heard is what your thinking lol.
Ice wasn't your fault? How do you come to that conclusion? You were out on the bike in ice (mistake 1, i do it too, my own risk and have never come off yet), you failed to control your bike on the ice (mistake 2, granted, sometimes it can be impossible, see mistake 1 for solution to this).
If I came off on ice, I would be kicking myself for my own mistake...
A womans view .. if I may.. looking from the couch ..
Riding a bike is all in the mind. The TL legend etc is all about blokes and willy waving. OOO I must have a TL then it will prove I am a man.
What a crock of dogs doodle....
I want a TL, not because of anyone. I think they look nice, they sound awesome, and go like the clackers, simple raw power, not smoothed out for "ridability" or anything.
Shows what women know eh..... :bball:
And why are you on the couch and not in the kitchen ;)
dizzyblonde
25-09-08, 01:13 PM
And why are you on the couch and not in the kitchen ;)
it was from the pyschological couch. and its not a crock of dogs doodles..
Believe me when I say I have had far too many conversations in my kitchen about this sort of clap trap.. perhaps i should record the conversations of young men...then they'd hear what they sounded like!
ooo the TL such a dangerous toy ... must have one of those..the myth the mystery the legend. hen they get disappointed because they find its a fat pudding, doesn't handle well, unless a fortune in mods has been thrown at it, and its old, theres certainly some better litre bikes on the market that would scare em.. I'm sure
Cat, pigeons, me thinks;)
fizzwheel
25-09-08, 01:24 PM
ooo the TL such a dangerous toy ... must have one of those..the myth the mystery the legend.
I'd agree it does have a hooligan reputation, but its also one from what I've read that it perhaps doesnt deserve and its based on the experiences of test riders from magazines hyping it up...
hen they get disappointed because they find its a fat pudding, doesn't handle well, unless a fortune in mods has been thrown at it, and its old, theres certainly some better litre bikes on the market that would scare em.. I'm sure
The ex of a girl I was seeing a long time ago had a TLS and a TLR. He'd had the rotary rear shock sorted out and he said it was a sweet handling bike. I trusted his opinion he was a very experienced road rider and had done a fair bit of racing / track days to.
I can see the appeal I looked at buying one and decided against it, purely because every one I looked at had alot of miles on it they all looked scabby also as said its getting old and I didnt fancy owning a money pit which all the ones I looked at had turned into.
I agree personally I think you could fnid as good as or better litre twin for a litlte more money. Personally for me I think my GSXR is a better bike. But then life woudl be very dull if we all liked the same thing wouldnt it.
it was from the pyschological couch. and its not a crock of dogs doodles..
Believe me when I say I have had far too many conversations in my kitchen about this sort of clap trap.. perhaps i should record the conversations of young men...then they'd hear what they sounded like!
ooo the TL such a dangerous toy ... must have one of those..the myth the mystery the legend. hen they get disappointed because they find its a fat pudding, doesn't handle well, unless a fortune in mods has been thrown at it, and its old, theres certainly some better litre bikes on the market that would scare em.. I'm sure
Cat, pigeons, me thinks;)
Well i'd personnally take the opinion of my 40 years of riding dad, with 10 years race experience, and a BSB level license, who's had one and loved it (and who has had his fair share of bikes, including a 24k Benelli, MV4, FZR1000 EXUP's, yadder blah, in other words, a lot...), over someone on the internet who's probably ridden a mear few bikes.
They are not dangerous. They are only as dangerous as your prepared to twist your right hand........ But then thats said of any bikes....
Most litre sports bikes, be it VTwins or IL4, would probably eat a TL in a straight line these days anyway, but at the time......
Im yet to hear a bike that gets me as excited as a TL1000 with twin carbon Arts on tickover though, and thats where the excitment and facsination of a TL1000 starts (R, not that toned down S version).
dizzyblonde
25-09-08, 01:31 PM
Exactly Fizz, I have looked at a couple myself, in the interests of science etc..lol
No seriously I have. I could jump on the VRaptor if I wanted to, the keys are glinting at me now, but i can't be ar$$ed as I got the school run in a mo;-)
If I decided to buy one, I'm lucky i have a very very experienced and knowledgeable better half, so I wouldn't end up buying a donkey. Theres a feew out there that have well thought out mods, that give em better handling etc, but as you said they are high mileage too. The only thing I'd be worried about is that they are heavy, obviously...and as the Raptor is like a dinky toy, I'd be more suited to riding that, but thats his bike, and its best I had one of my own.
Oh, and that would be such a shame, wouldn't it;-)
Hes kinda hinted at me getting a TL...purely so he can ride it too, of course. Why stop the habit of hoarding cult bikes...perhaps I should have one after all....lol
I'd agree it does have a hooligan reputation, but its also one from what I've read that it perhaps doesnt deserve and its based on the experiences of test riders from magazines hyping it up...
The ex of a girl I was seeing a long time ago had a TLS and a TLR. He'd had the rotary rear shock sorted out and he said it was a sweet handling bike. I trusted his opinion he was a very experienced road rider and had done a fair bit of racing / track days to.
I can see the appeal I looked at buying one and decided against it, purely because every one I looked at had alot of miles on it they all looked scabby also as said its getting old and I didnt fancy owning a money pit which all the ones I looked at had turned into.
I agree personally I think you could fnid as good as or better litre twin for a litlte more money. Personally for me I think my GSXR is a better bike. But then life woudl be very dull if we all liked the same thing wouldnt it.
Your GSXR is an overall better bike than a Benelli Tornado.
But i know what i'd rather have ;)
As you say, everyones different, im glad we're all seperate. Im almost bored seeing R1, GSXR, CBR's all the damn time. Give me something new or different.
Everyone looks at a TL as it pulls in. No-one really looks when the other more common, faster, better bikes pull up. ;)
Potato Potarrrrrto though :)
Thing is, if your looking to buy a bike because of the "hooliganism" of it, then should that person really be riding a motorcycle at all :confused:
fizzwheel
25-09-08, 01:49 PM
Thing is, if your looking to buy a bike because of the "hooliganism" of it, then should that person really be riding a motorcycle at all :confused:
I dont see why they shouldnt, we all have different reasons for riding and wanting to ride. If somebody wants a certain bike for bragging rights in the pub thats up to them, They might not necessarily be somebody I would like to hang around with, but hey whatever floats your boat.
Funny you should mention the Benelli I was quite tempted at one point. I still like the look of them now, eeek dont tempt me...
FEEL THE TEMPTATION
http://www.benelliforum.com/gallery/members
:lol:
I do understand you yeah, we may not agree with some bikers methods, or their reasons for biking, but i guess we're all allowed to do with our own life as we please.
Its just the hooligans are more likley to be popping wheelies (keeping in true TL post related fashon :lol: ) down high streets..
dizzyblonde
25-09-08, 02:03 PM
Its just the hooligans are more likley to be popping wheelies (keeping in true TL post related fashon :lol: ) down high streets..
nah ya want an RD350 for that.Gets more attention;)... in a cloud of blue smoke:cool:
yorkie_chris
25-09-08, 02:37 PM
it was from the pyschological couch. and its not a crock of dogs doodles..
:rolleyes:
Ice wasn't your fault? How do you come to that conclusion? You were out on the bike in ice (mistake 1, i do it too, my own risk and have never come off yet), you failed to control your bike on the ice (mistake 2, granted, sometimes it can be impossible, see mistake 1 for solution to this).
If I came off on ice, I would be kicking myself for my own mistake...
Ermm hows it my mistake?? needed to get to work...dont drive..ohh and not scared/bothered about riding in ANY weather-id like to see anyone control a bike on black ice :rolleyes:, was taking it extra steady and slow-its something that couldnt be avoided.I qwould have thought that you wouldve have learnt that running over your foot/eg once was oainful let alone doing it a 2nd time :rolleyes:;)
In all seriousness if your feeling "bored" with the sv-get out on a track day, see what these "little" bikes can do, me and treacle intend to buy another curvy at some point as a track toy, days are getting cheaper now as winter closes in and weve got silverstone and rockingham just up the road
TLs? - you can keep em. Never appealed to me. I don't understand why so many want one. Whatever floats your boat I spose. So many sanctimonious comments on here, Plowsie if you want one then go buy one. I think that the decision on whether it's a suitable bike for you is yours - and yours alone. All this BS claptrap about it being too much, needing to get miles under your belt etc - you don't need to justify yourself to anyone.
plowsie
25-09-08, 09:26 PM
ohh and not scared/bothered about riding in ANY weather-id like to see anyone control a bike on black ice :rolleyes:,
Harsh comment, I wonder how many commuters, me included, stayed on their bikes last year after running on black ice. Remember that random Sunday that it just snowed and no-one xpected it. I went out in that and didn't have one scare!
was taking it extra steady and slow-its something that couldnt be avoided
I bet it could have, forward planning, expect Ice on an icy morning perhaps...
I qwould have thought that you wouldve have learnt that running over your foot/eg once was oainful let alone doing it a 2nd time :rolleyes:;)
Yarp I did, slippy boot, as you seem to say a lot yourself, not my fault, however i seem to be one of the only people to have done it (Oh wait, speak to Jester, speak to el saxo)
Just because you seem to find certain things a difficulty/get it wrong, it doesn't mean that others will.
I'm bored of the "world evolves round me" attitude now, can we stop this please as I really can't be bothered. Ady and I have talked figures and my figures just aren't gonna add up in the long term.
Ed I don't give a rats ass what people say mate if all they have got is the myths and legends, Fizz and I have been talking and he has been very helpful, giving me factual information (as in it has this problem) about bikes I am looking at. Not "you can't handle it mate don't bother".
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 09:40 PM
I'm bored of the "world evolves round me" attitude now, can we stop this please as I really can't be bothered. Ady and I have talked figures and my figures just aren't gonna add up in the long term.
"World revolves around me"?
Im personally glad you arnt going up to a TL yet and Im glad you will be riding a full power SV for the time being. Im sure you will enjoy the extra power and you will gain some (imo) valuable exp from that extra power. Have fun with it!
Take care. ;)
So many sanctimonious comments on here
Who, When?
I know I'm a little late coming to this thread, but Filipe is obviously too busy these days. So...
http://k43.pbase.com/o5/42/267742/1/68416045.wGDPMlLK.popcorn.gif
Carry on... I'm here all night & could do with some entertainment.
dizzyblonde
25-09-08, 09:54 PM
](*,)Pah, still about testosterone feather puffing, is it?:smt015
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 09:56 PM
Pah, still about testosterone feather puffing, is it?
Looks like it... :(
Im going to leave it now. I figure no ones going to listen to reason so ill not waste my time with it any further.
carnivore
25-09-08, 09:59 PM
](*,)Pah, still about testosterone feather puffing, is it?:smt015
Fair point there love, but you have to admit that when ever you see anybody on a TL they are alone, that because in the process of impressing the opposite sex they invariably lose them off the back. =;
Fair point there love, but you have to admit that when ever you see anybody on a TL they are alone, that because in the process of impressing the opposite sex they invariably lose them off the back. =;
I'll buy one for that very reason alone!!
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 10:04 PM
I'll buy one for that very reason alone!!
LMAO. I think by widow maker they ment the lady was left alone, you got it all wrong mate. :rolleyes:
dizzyblonde
25-09-08, 10:08 PM
As always, my better half gives the most amusing comments:rolleyes:
my better half
I've met you, but if that comment is true, when are ya letting the OH out? ;)
fizzwheel
25-09-08, 10:17 PM
OK question
Is it the TL that fosters this impression of hooliganism. If we were talking about a different Litre Twin. Say an SV thou would that be different. Yes I know it has less power than a TLS but its IIRC somewhere in the region of 10 - 15 bhp isnt it ( happy to be corrected on this ) Does it really make that much difference ?
Girth has an SV Thou on 33bhp restrictors when he de-restricts what would the advice be then
"sell it because its got to much power and ride around on a full power SV650"
Is it the TL or is it the reputation, or purely is whats been said based on opinions of somebodies riding who we have no experience of.
Why did I not receive similar comments when I bought my GSXR at that point very few people knew my riding. I might have a multitude of off's and just not posted about it, we've all done stupid stuff in the past. Not many of you knew my riding when I bought that bike. You didnt know my riding history either I could have had a multitude of accidents and just not posted about it.
I like it on my soapbox ;):D
dizzyblonde
25-09-08, 10:21 PM
I've met you, but if that comment is true, when are ya letting the OH out? ;)
Its Im Indoors....hes not allowed out;)
...well not until hes handed over the precious*...
*Pete n Lissas top yoke, that he bought for me. Which he promptly hid in this house somewhere just to wind me up:smt090
Which he promptly hid in this house somewhere just to wind me up:smt090
Nah, he's probably just waiting for you to finish the washing up...
*runs*
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 10:29 PM
OK question
Is it the TL that fosters this impression of hooliganism. If we were talking about a different Litre Twin. Say an SV thou would that be different. Yes I know it has less power than a TLS but its IIRC somewhere in the region of 10 - 15 bhp isnt it ( happy to be corrected on this ) Does it really make that much difference ?
Girth has an SV Thou on 33bhp restrictors when he de-restricts what would the advice be then
"sell it because its got to much power and ride around on a full power SV650"
Is it the TL or is it the reputation, or purely is whats been said based on opinions of somebodies riding who we have no experience of.
Why did I not receive similar comments when I bought my GSXR at that point very few people knew my riding. I might have a multitude of off's and just not posted about it, we've all done stupid stuff in the past. Not many of you knew my riding when I bought that bike. You didnt know my riding history either I could have had a multitude of accidents and just not posted about it.
I like it on my soapbox ;):D
I think its about 5-10 bhp difference with the TL and SV 1000.
I figure if you have a SV thats restricted that you are bored with you should at least see what you think to the full power one, you at least lose nothing from doing it. If you are still fed up with the bike your weird... I mean you should maybe think about another bike.
Also lets face it the bike isnt the best about, they may not be as bad as people make out but you dont get smoke without fire and im willing to bet there are better bikes about. Unless you get one with sorted suspension, if thats done then sure go for it. :cool:
I actually thought about getting one but in the end I didnt... I couldnt be bothered with a bike that handles ok/bad and making it handle good when I can get a bike and spend the same money on making a good handling bike handle Very well/excellent.
End of the day though its your money your life do as you will, but it may well be worth listening to us who have been there and done that.
this is getting stupid now.Does the law state that because someone has bought a "bigger" bike they have to twist the throttle as far as it will go.I went from a 250 two stroke and bought a 300 kg monster of a 1300 ,6 cyl kwak.
Did it scare me at first...oh yes ...did I rag it? ..hell no.
Did I bin it?...noi.
Plowsie......if you want one mate ...then just get one,who are we to judge your skills.
I ride a 600 bandit now,as you all probly know...
Why?...cos it does for me
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 10:41 PM
This is getting stupid now
Agree'd. maybe we should just talk about the bike and not plowsie since he will do waht he likes anyway.
Here (http://www.powersportsnetwork.com/motorcyclereviewdetail/rv=7171/veh=2087/review7171.htm) is what to do with a TL to make it a darling. Would be cool to do but costly :(
Agree'd. maybe we should just talk about the bike and not plowsie since he will do waht he likes anyway.
isnt that part of being a biker?
plowsie
25-09-08, 10:45 PM
Agreed I never thought this discussion was all about me anyway. How long did you ride the TL for Greek?
call a doctor...Ive just made sense
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 10:49 PM
Agreed I never thought this discussion was all about me anyway. How long did you ride the TL for Greek?
TL. Not long. My mates uncle didnt really like the idea of me riding it :(
Id not be any rush to get one after the falco though. :)
dizzyblonde
25-09-08, 10:50 PM
http://www.lesmonds.co.uk/smf/img/Graham_Chapman_Colonel.jpg
right enough of this nonsense....we want a decent and military thread:compress:
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 10:50 PM
isnt that part of being a biker?
You mean completly ignoring logic? No (offence to anyone but) that puts you in the "fool" catagory not biker imo. ;)
plowsie
25-09-08, 10:53 PM
So how do you know whether it handles good/bad...?
[A Joke here]If your talking from your short time then thats nothing, I've seen one piccy of you, it must not of done you justice because it looked like you couldn't handle a pencil let alone a TL :-P[/Joke]
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 10:57 PM
So how do you know whether it handles good/bad...?
If your talking from your short time then thats nothing, I've seen one piccy of you, it must not of done you justice because it looked like you couldn't handle a pencil let alone a TL :-P
It doesnt take much time to realise that they dont handle right. They push wide when you get on the power the throttle is snatchy so you have to be ultra light with it... Not supprising that people had accidents with those two items added together.
No I do have issues handling pencils... They always snap under my lightest touches... just dont know my own strength :(
Go and try one when you lose the restriction see what you think. If you like it then fair enough, if not then leave it there are easier bikes to make go right.
Does the law state that because someone has bought a "bigger" bike they have to twist the throttle as far as it will go.I
Yes, yes it does!! I went from a CG125 to the SV, and I didn't change the way I rode... that resulted in a large grin from ear to ear as the front wheel lifted from the floor. :D
call a doctor...Ive just made sense
I would mate, but I've just died of shock myself!! :shock:
You mean completly ignoring logic? No (offence to anyone but) that puts you in the "fool" catagory not biker imo. ;)
And you with "all your years"Are the fountain of knowledge.
To be honest I am sick of your Falco this and Falco that.
Do you need to get out a bit?
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 11:09 PM
Stuff
plowsie
25-09-08, 11:10 PM
It doesnt take much time to realise that they dont handle right. They push wide when you get on the power the throttle is snatchy so you have to be ultra light with it... Not supprising that people had accidents with those two items added together.
No I do have issues handling pencils... They always snap under my lightest touches... just dont know my own strength :(
I guess you have to be fat to ride a TL is that what you are saying?
Why are you getting personal now anyway?
Go and try one when you lose the restriction see what you think. If you like it then fair enough, if not then leave it there are easier bikes to make go right.
No mate i was actuallyt trying to have a joke with you mate. Funny how you can take the **** but as soon as someone says something to you its a different story.
You forget that I had a CBR600 don't you, 100bhp there, not much power off a tl.
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 11:14 PM
No mate i was actuallyt trying to have a joke with you mate. Funny how you can take the **** but as soon as someone says something to you its a different story.
You forget that I had a CBR600 don't you, 100bhp there, not much power off a tl.
Im sorry. Ill amend that post. Im tired and I wasnt sure... Not slept for 48 hours now (night shift last night...) not a great excuse I know. :(
I do have issues with pensils though ;) lol
Aye you are right might not be far off. Its not the power of the TL thats the problem mate, its the way its controlled and the way it doesnt handle.
The reason I think sticking with the full powered SV is better is because it handles and is fun...
plowsie
25-09-08, 11:22 PM
Im sorry. Ill amend that post. Im tired and I wasnt sure... Not slept for 48 hours now (night shift last night...) not a great excuse I know. :(
I do have issues with pensils though ;) lol
Aye you are right might not be far off. Its not the power of the TL thats the problem mate, its the way its controlled and the way it doesnt handle.
The reason I think sticking with the full powered SV is better is because it handles and is fun...
Yeah I see your point mate, will ammend mine too.
I've already thought into consideration about how power is delivered compared to an IL4 so in essence it could be completely different. I did however never come off the CBR and that i spose shows the control I could have over such bike. But as said could be completely different on a TL.
And I don't think I will ever shift the SV now as TBH i missed it when i got rid of the last one. I am trying to get this one like that was, GSX-R forks, TL wheel brakes and clip-ons etc. And then once i do get very bored, maybe it might be time to talk to Dangerous Dave about the SV800 :twisted:
ThEGr33k
25-09-08, 11:24 PM
Yeah I see your point mate, will ammend mine too.
I've already thought into consideration about how power is delivered compared to an IL4 so in essence it could be completely different. I did however never come off the CBR and that i spose shows the control I could have over such bike. But as said could be completely different on a TL.
And I don't think I will ever shift the SV now as TBH i missed it when i got rid of the last one. I am trying to get this one like that was, GSX-R forks, TL wheel brakes and clip-ons etc. And then once i do get very bored, maybe it might be time to talk to Dangerous Dave about the SV800 :twisted:
Indeed! :cool: Id have one of those bad lads for a laugh.
Dont get me wrong man, I dont have a clue how good you are at riding... so dont take any offence if its sounded like I was putting you down I wasnt! :)
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