New SV on the Block with some questions.

[Stretch650]

Hi all,

Finally part of the clan - and it feels good !! Have had my SV for a month now and although i had a few teething (skyward levers) problems I am loving the bike. Its a K6 in silver/blue with 7k miles and a CCC can.

Here is my dialemma though ...

I had my heart set on a black one but could not find one close enough for the right price and condition so ended up with the blue silver one! So this is what i propose to do ... (over a period of time)

Professional respray to Original SV Pearl Nebular Black (YAY)
Including fork lowers and all footpegs etc.
OEM belly Pan (with graphics)
OEM Hugger
OEM Seat cowl
Fabbri DB Screen

And finally

Yoshi TRS Carbon Can

My Questions are ...

1) Can a professional paint job into original colours be detrimental?
2) Are the Fabbri screens the best for wind deflection - i am getting pummeled at the moment.
3) I want a carbon can to go with the black bike - is yoshi the best or should i look at Akrapovic - any other carbon?
4) I have read that twins can damage carbon cans - is this true - should i stay clear ?

Sorry I know this is a bit of an essay - LOADS OF ENTHUSIASM !!!

Any tips greatly appreciated

Ride on ....

[Stu]

Hey welcome to the madhouse! Enjoy your new bike :D

My thoughts on the respray would be don't - you could buy replacement fairings etc. on ebay & a Bagster tank cover. That may not be cheaper, but doing it right & selling your own you could break even :D


Or, hopefully someone else will tell you about resprays.

Why do you not want aftermarket stuff? some of it looks way better then Suzuki stuff & is far cheaper. Esp belly pan, Poly26 looks way better than Suzuki but OEM seat cowl, yes only £42

2) Yes I do believe Fabbri is the only wind tunnel tested screen.
4) Yes they can, but if you buy a quality one with a lifetime guarantee you'll be fine

[rowdy]

keep an eye out in the stuff for sale section on the.org, people are quite often breaking bikes on there so you could well come across something you want without having to respray your bike, then you've got two sets incase you bin it, or fancy a change, or you could just sell on your old tank and bodywork and recoup some of the cost of buying the replacements. And welcome to the org.

[jambo]

Again, I'd go with what the others have said about the panels, keep an eye out for the right bits over time and you'll be able to sell yours once you've swapped, then there's no question over the quality or colour of the paint used.

Twins have bigger, less even pressure pulses through the exhaust system than an equivalent 4 cylinder machine. Make sure the can has a warranty, and that it can easily be re-packed with wadding and it'll be OK ;)

[Dangerous Dave]

I would get the foot pegs powdercoated and not painted, the paint won't last as long with your feet rubbing against them.

Fabbri screens are very good, as are Zero Gravity screens.

It doesn't have to be Carbon to be black, you could go for a stain black exhaust from Beowulf (http://www.beowulf-performance-products.com/default.asp) (the shape of the Warrior suits the Pointy too).

http://beowulf-performance-products.com/images/BWSS_FS.jpg

[Stretch650]

Thanks for all the tips guys - especially Stu, the Poly26 belly pan looks great and i think i may go for that instead !!

As for the spraying - well i am still undecided - trying to buy all the parts individually could take ages (I'm impatient like that !) and a bagster is definitely not for me !Would it really be so bad to have it done by a custom shop that only does bikes and using the correct colour? Or am i better off going a completely different colour like white mabe - thus making the bike different ?

As for the cans - thanks Dangerous Dave, the Beowulf does look good but for me personally the Yoshi still has the edge. In the end it will come down to sound and performance?

Anyone have a Yoshi or an Akrapovic on an SV - how's the sound compared to Beowulf or the CCC that i currently have?

Thanks again guys - this is proving to be a great help !!

[Dangerous Dave]

Anyone have a Yoshi or an Akrapovic on an SV - how's the sound compared to Beowulf or the CCC that i currently have?
I have a Akrapovic full system on the 650, maybe soon on the 800, and I have to say that a full system sounds better than a slip-on as it has a meatier sound to it. The best sounding slip-on for the SV is a Remus, a nice deep burble which is how a twin should sound.

On drive by, 90% of the exhaust will sound the same. It doesn't matter who the manufacturer is, there is no performance gain to be had from a slip-on.

[petevtwin650]

I would get the foot pegs powdercoated and not painted, the paint won't last as long with your feet rubbing against them.


I had my rear hangers, heel plates and a few other bits powdercoated in just a solid blue. The kickplates didn't prove to be very durable but anything i put there wears quickly but the rear hangers always looked very good IMO.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i184/petevtwin650/orgphoto/rearpeg.jpg

[Stretch650]

Cheers Dave

I think i will go for a full system rather that a slip on as i already have a slip on - which system do you have on yours - is it road legal? I want to get something that will get through MOT but that i can take the baffle out and get the rumble i am looking for !


Powdercoating seems to be the way forward for the pegs too - I will arrange that with the painter!

[dizzyblonde]

why not polish the foortpeg hangers .. I did

[Stu]

Would it really be so bad to have it done by a custom shop that only does bikes and using the correct colour? Or am i better off going a completely different colour like white mabe - thus making the bike different ?
What really gets me about painting is you'll spend, what £500?? and have absolutely nothing to show for it in terms of resale value. OK so you might get more buyers interested in a black bike than a baby blue :p, but then they could equally be put off by a change of colour registered on an hpi check :smt102
White is unsusal but available in different markets
http://www.bikeinfo.co.uk/sv650s-sport-pearl-white-colour.jpg

I see painting as worthwhile only to refresh an old bike with lots of damage. But if £500 is of no concern to you, go right ahead (but why buy a budget bike like the SV :???: )

[Stu]

It's a shame you weren't around when this was for sale Black Bike, Yoshi can, painted pegs http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=105839
Unfortunately he's deleted all his photos, but I can still get in touch with him if you like?

[Stretch650]

Hi Dave (and anyone else that can help),

2 things ...

What is the deal with legality of the full systems - will my bike pass MOT with the Akrapovic Full Supersport System w/Carbon Canister system or the Yoshimura TRS Carbon system ?

Where do you get them from in the UK - there dont seem to be many people doing systems for the SV650

Cheers
J

[Stretch650]

Stu - funny you should bring that up as i was trying to buy that bike and just missed out !! I completely fell in love with it and I actually still have the picture of it !! This is what is driving my passion for a black bike !

I know i could try again and get a black one or spend ages trying to get the parts individually but it still means that the bike has been copmpletely altered ! I dont get how painting the original parts can be worse that swapping them all out. Bike factories pump out hundreds of bikes a day painted to a budget whereas having it reprayed professionally it would have a much higher quality paint job. Surely there must be some plusses ??

For me the whole thing is about the journey - taking a bike and making in mine - just how i want it ! Its gonna cost me a buit more than £500 but to me its worh it as it still costs less than buying a brand new bike in black and adding some custom bits.

Whoa I'm getting all deep about a sprayjob - its the journey man - maybe i should lay off the meds for a bit :-)

[Stu]

Furry muff! :D
Oh sorry to bring up the sore point of Law's bike - it really was a goodun' well cared for except one slight drop on a rideout I organised :-dd and I don't think it went for much.
I dont get how painting the original parts can be worse that swapping them all out.Not worse, it's just that if you swap then you have the originals to sell for the same price as you pay for the black ones. But can someone please tell me how plastic gets coloured at the factory? is it paint on top or is the plastic made in that colour?

[Dangerous Dave]

I think i will go for a full system rather that a slip on as i already have a slip on - which system do you have on yours - is it road legal? I want to get something that will get through MOT but that i can take the baffle out and get the rumble i am looking for !
I have a full Akrapovic with a Titanium road legal (with removable baffle) can on the 650, this will get you through a MOT with no problems. Some MOT testers will let a bike through with no baffles at all, unfortunately where I am the nearest is more convenient but more strict.

why not polish the foortpeg hangers .. I did
Think he is after the all black frame and forks look, what Suzuki should have done in the factory.

What is the deal with legality of the full systems - will my bike pass MOT with the Akrapovic Full Supersport System w/Carbon Canister system or the Yoshimura TRS Carbon system ?

Where do you get them from in the UK - there dont seem to be many people doing systems for the SV650
As long as the can is officially stamped with a 'E' or a 'BS' mark it is road legal.

Akrapovic's can be bought from Twinshack (http://www.twinshack.co.uk/prods/pc18.html).

Yoshimura's are available from Phoenix (http://forums.sv650.org/www.phoenixnw.co.uk/yoshi.html) (they are the distributor).

[Stu]

But can someone please tell me how plastic gets coloured at the factory? is it paint on top or is the plastic made in that colour?
Thought that was a good qu. for you DD ;)

[Stretch650]

But can someone please tell me how plastic gets coloured at the factory? is it paint on top or is the plastic made in that colour?


I have a scratch on my front fairing next to the light and it is black underneath - the same goes for the tail section so i am pretty sure they are painted !!

[xXBADGERXx]

Some plastics are made in the colour nearest they can to the paint being used , then they spray them so that the finish is nicer . Suzuki seem to have a different take on this as I have noticed wear points on the Seat cowl coming through as Black , some cracked Fairings I have seen seem to have a white plastic showing through .

Stretch , there have been many Black SV parts coming up on eBay over the last few weeks , buy them , fit them and sell the Blue ones . If it`s the YC2 colour scheme , they will fight over them as there seems to be a premium put on these parts from Suzuki , probably due to the cost of the paint compared to other colours .

If it was me buying your back from you and I had done a check and it came up as Blue originally , I would be thinking "Uh-Oh this has been dropped or dumped" , so bear that in mind for the future ........ Anyway , enjoy the site and Pimp that ride :D

[rowdy]

Hi Dave (and anyone else that can help),

2 things ...

What is the deal with legality of the full systems - will my bike pass MOT with the Akrapovic Full Supersport System w/Carbon Canister system or the Yoshimura TRS Carbon system ?

Where do you get them from in the UK - there dont seem to be many people doing systems for the SV650

Cheers
J
I have a full race M4 system on mine and haven't had any issues with it going through the last few mot's, although as DD says it's down to how leaneant the mot tester is.

[Dangerous Dave]

They are painted, some of the base plastic has a dye added to it in its manufacturing process to make it a certain colour but the finished article is paint.

[Stretch650]

Thanks for all the input guys !! Its been real useful!

Cheers Stu for the pointer on the Poly26 parts - i think they are going to look great !!

I have decided that i am still going to go ahead with the paint job - to me buying all replacements parts and selling the originals could be covering something up just as much as a respray with twice as much faff!!

I'll be taking my bike down to CycleSprays at the end of the month for the first part of its extreme make over!

This will soon be followed by an Akrapovic full system and power commander ( I have readd that this may not be necessary as the SV ECU can be remapped - any advice).

I will create another post and show you all the progress - hopefully i can win you all over !!

Thanks again - and watch this space!!
J

[rowdy]

no you don't need a power commander.

[Geoffrey]

This will soon be followed by an Akrapovic full system and power commander
The Suzuki ECU can be remapped, I am sure Dangerous Dave will be along at some point to rant about Power Commanders.

[xXBADGERXx]

Ask your local dealer if they have a "Yoshi Box" you can remap the ECU for the Akra system with that and it`s job done then for about £20

[shonadoll]

Cheers Dave

I think i will go for a full system rather that a slip on as i already have a slip on - which system do you have on yours - is it road legal? I want to get something that will get through MOT but that i can take the baffle out and get the rumble i am looking for !


Powdercoating seems to be the way forward for the pegs too - I will arrange that with the painter!

I don't know how true it is, but I read that some manufacturers only guarantee carbon made cans for 1 year on a v-twin -due to the vibes or something?
Anyhow, I went for a black Beowulf which I think looks fab.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y295/shonadoll/pazzo012.jpg

[Dangerous Dave]

I went for a black Beowulf which I think looks fab.
Nice, suits the black SV well.

The Suzuki ECU can be remapped, I am sure Dangerous Dave will be along at some point to rant about Power Commanders.
I don't rant (often), I am learning to be nice remember...

The PC is OTT for the SV, all the gizmo's and gimmicks aren't even used on the SV650. A remap can be done easily by an experienced person with the right equipment. The OEM SV650 ECU has more scope in it than the SV's tuning capabilities, anybody who tells you differently tends to be a Dyno-jet stockist.

[Stretch650]

Thanks again everyone!!

I am going to check out the painter this weekend and see some of his work!!

Body Panels have now been ordered so the process is underway !! Will keep you all posted!

PS: anyone gonna be round newlands corner way this weekend ??

[thor]

I've got a clear fabri double bubble. Have to say it is better.

[Stretch650]

Cheers thor !!

Definitely gona treat myself to a dark smoke Fabbri !

J

[Geoffrey]

Thay are good, I have a Fabbri on my SK4 and it makes a lot of difference for me.

[thor]

Doesn't quite fit though. There is a gap between the fairing and the inside of the screen. It's because the OEM one is thicker at the top, but it's not too bad.

[Stu]

PS: anyone gonna be round newlands corner way this weekend ??
I Could possibly make the effort :)

Doesn't quite fit though. There is a gap between the fairing and the inside of the screen. It's because the OEM one is thicker at the top, but it's not too bad.
You can dremmel/file the offending bit to get it to fit though. I haven't but some people have

[Stretch650]

[quote=Stu;1640527]I Could possibly make the effort :)

Cool - not sure how it all works as i have not been up there before on a bike. I normally mountain bike through there and always see the bikes. I am heading down to Cranleigh in the morning and the over to Newlands Corner for about lunch time to see whats going on ! Look out for me - i will have the helmet in my avatar on !

[Stretch650]

Doesn't quite fit though. There is a gap between the fairing and the inside of the screen. It's because the OEM one is thicker at the top, but it's not too bad.

Is it noticible or can you only really see it if you are looking for it! Are all aftermarket screens like this ??

[Stretch650]

One more thing !!!

Untill i get my Akrapovic/Yoshi system i am thinking of trying to get a bit more burble out of my CCC can. The baffle is currently rivited in and I am not sure if this means that it should not be removed. Is it ok to drill the rivet out and remove the baffle?

What is the best addition to this ? Better air filter - if so which one K&N ??

[Dangerous Dave]

To meet the law the removable baffle must be either riveted or spot welded into position. If it has one rivet at the bottom on the outlet cap then all you need to do is drill out the rivet and remove the baffle.

[Stu]

[quote=Stu;1640527]I Could possibly make the effort :)

Cool - not sure how it all works as i have not been up there before on a bike. I normally mountain bike through there and always see the bikes. I am heading down to Cranleigh in the morning and the over to Newlands Corner for about lunch time to see whats going on ! Look out for me - i will have the helmet in my avatar on !
Saturday or sunday? prob not available Saturday

[Stretch650]

To meet the law the removable baffle must be either riveted or spot welded into position. If it has one rivet at the bottom on the outlet cap then all you need to do is drill out the rivet and remove the baffle.


Hi DD - I got up early this morning and out with the drill to remove the rivet which was not really a problem! Thing is the baffle is still completely stuck in. I tried to gently ease it out with pliers but no go. I then rode to work to see if it would loosen it but no change - Am I missing something ???

[ChrisCaveman]

Just a quick thread hi-jack!

Where can you get a Poly26 Belly pan from? I've used teh google, but can't find anything! =)

[Dangerous Dave]

Am I missing something ???
You might need to remove the can and slide it over a broom handle from the inlet side, hold on to the can as it is more fragile than the baffle.

Where can you get a Poly26 Belly pan from? I've used teh google, but can't find anything! =)
Poly26 SV parts are available in the UK from Twinshack (http://www.twinshack.co.uk/prods/pc18.html)

[Stretch650]

Just a quick thread hi-jack!

Where can you get a Poly26 Belly pan from? I've used teh google, but can't find anything! =)

Yeah i got mine from www.TwinShack.com (http://www.TwinShack.com). Can take up to 3 weeks to arrive mind as they are made to order!

PS: he doesn't show all the available parts on his site but can get them. To see everything go to www.poly26.com (http://www.poly26.com)!

Will be posting pictures soon !

Cheers
J

[Dangerous Dave]

Can take up to 3 weeks to arrive mind as they are made to order!!
Twinshack may have some in stock though, email and ask to be sure.

http://www.twinshack.co.uk/prods/images/305_2.jpg

http://www.twinshack.co.uk/prods/images/304_3.jpg

[Stretch650]

I ordered mine on tuesday and he had to get them in from France so pretty sure he doesnt have any in!

3 weeks is worst case scenario though !

[ChrisCaveman]

Cool, that's great! Cheers dudes =)

[xXBADGERXx]

Thing is the baffle is still completely stuck in. I tried to gently ease it out with pliers but no go. Am I missing something ???

It may be spot welded in place inside , wiggle it left to right to see if it will move , if there is movement then it MAY be spot welded in place . Have you tried emailing the manufacturer for the destructions on removing the baffle ?

[Stretch650]

It may be spot welded in place inside , wiggle it left to right to see if it will move , if there is movement then it MAY be spot welded in place . Have you tried emailing the manufacturer for the destructions on removing the baffle ?


Did exactly that and contacted them - he explained that they have to fit them very tight to avoid rattle and that i neede to take the can off and tap it out from the inside!!

Just done that and rode home - My God it sounds amazing !! Filter and snorkel next - I am hooked !!!

Big question is - K&N or Pipercross- anybody??? Also where would i get a 1000 snorkel ?

[Dangerous Dave]

i neede to take the can off and tap it out from the inside!!
Told you!

[xXBADGERXx]

I have some spacers for raising the tank up once you have de-snorkelled , yours for a Fiver :D

[Stretch650]

Told you!

You are indeed most wise !

THanks again for all your help ! :p

[Stretch650]

I have some spacers for raising the tank up once you have de-snorkelled , yours for a Fiver :D


Sounds good - need to find the snorkel first!

Are they anything like these ones ?

http://www.chewys-stuff.co.uk/images/spacers_only.jpg

[Dangerous Dave]

They are Chewys ones, I have a set laying about somewhere and another set (SV racing parts, I think) also.

[xXBADGERXx]

Yep the exact same ones , Cost about £8 , I tried them and the induction noise was great when De-Snorkelled . I`ll post them to you for £5 :D

[Stretch650]

Sweet sounds like a deal to me - does that include the extended bolts??

Now just the snorkel and the filter - should i go K&N or Pipercross - is there any difference?

Best place for a SV1000 snorkel ?

[xXBADGERXx]

Yep includes all the bolts and washers you need :D , apparently the K&N is a washable filter but I use Genuine Suzuki ones .

[Dangerous Dave]

Yeap, the K&N is a washable filter and so is the BMC.

[Stretch650]

Yep includes all the bolts and washers you need :D , apparently the K&N is a washable filter but I use Genuine Suzuki ones .


Sweet it's a deal then ! How would i get you the cash??


PS: Why did you remove it from your bike ??

[xXBADGERXx]

I wasn`t keen on the way it raised the tank , I really like the lines of the pointy and it just unsettled me in the "Looks" department , superficial I know but I like what I see :D , I`ll PM you my address .

[Stretch650]

I have now begun the process ...

Have a look here - http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=119309

Cheers
J