ban smoking in cars ???

[kat_s1]

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/itn/20081007/tuk-bid-to-ban-smoking-in-cars-dba1618.html

i personally dont condone smoking but even i think that this is a bit much... i get where they're coming from because of the kids in back, i actually was one of those kids but my dad did open all the windows, but it then may have contributed to me being athsmatic....

all yours.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20081007/tuk-uk-britain-smoking-fa6b408.html

[chris8886]

the sooner the better IMO. just as bad as someone being on a mobile phone i think. you see em faffing around trying to get one out the packet and then lighting it etc etc and then not concentrating on the road properly.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

the sooner the better IMO. just as bad as someone being on a mobile phone i think. you see em faffing around trying to get one out the packet and then lighting it etc etc and then not concentrating on the road properly.

I've seen plenty of people distracted by mobiles, but never by ciggies. I'd say it's a gross over reaction, and the safety nazis shouldn't be appeased any further.

[Miss Alpinestarhero]

I dislike smoking, think it is a nasty habit but even I agree that is over the top.

Cars are an individuals personal space so if a smoker wishes to smoke in their car then thats fine. Its their car. If a parent chooses to smoke around their children then that is their problem..! I know my last comment sounds harsh but the responsibility lies with the parent. The government can't do everything for everyone :rolleyes:

If they want smoking to be banned in cars then they might as well go the whole hog and ban it in houses/flats/caravans and in public outdoor places. I don't think this will come into effect at all because I can't see how they would even begin to implement it...the ban on mobile phones in cars is struggling to be enforced let alone smoking.

Maria

[Sosha]

Think the Junkies'll drive better with their nicotine fix.....

[Ablazze]

Next it will be sugar & befor you know it we will all be eating nut cutlets & drinking water, we wont live any longer it will just seem it.

Jas..

[Miss Alpinestarhero]

you see em faffing around trying to get one out the packet and then lighting it etc etc and then not concentrating on the road properly.

The same can be said for those faffing around with their gadgets (tomtom/ipod), air-conditioning, temperature control, radio etc...the amount of drivers ive seen prodding buttons whilst driving is crazy.

Maria

[jimmy__riddle]

i dont think they should ban smoking in cars, that should be totally up to the individuals, but i think they should consider banning it whilst driving, ive seen people doing some ridiculous things trying to light up and drive at the same time.

[G]

My parents both smoked while I was young in the car, I used to have asthma. I also used to get people saying I stank when I was at school etc which was rather crap at the time.

As for it being banned on those ground.....who knows. I'm sick of things getting banned, If people arnt allowed to use phones in a car......why should they be allowed to do anything else such as faff about looking for their fag packet, lighter, then lighting........then theres when they drop a lit fag on their lap or fail miserably to get it out the window.

[Viney]

One step to far and impossible to police. I dont smoke, but have grown up around smokers all my life, my mum being one of them. It will come down to it that they will ban smoking all together one day, mark my words, then everyone will moan that thier tax bill has gone up by £50 a month to cover the lost tax revenue.

The smoking ban in pubs was a nice idea, however, all my mates now stand outside and chat, but the car thing is just over the top.

Always fors and againsts.

[simesb]

In my experience, parents with children in the back can be a lot more distracted than either mobiles or smoking - ban children! ;-)

[keeny90]

I have no problem with people smoking in cars moving or stopped. ... but when i am riding behind and can smell and the smoke and ash etc. going all over me and my bike not happy spesh when the fag get flicked out window.

as long as they keep the windows closed keep fag in car no problems at all :D

:smt026:smt026 Moan over

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Next it will be sugar & befor you know it we will all be eating nut cutlets & drinking water, we wont live any longer it will just seem it.

Jas..

Oh we might live longer. But noone will have any money, because the majority of people will be OAPs. We'll all live in government approved padded buildings, and won't be allowed outside because of UV rays...

Seems like many peoples objective in life is simply to live as long as possible, without having lived a day in said life. Very sad state of affairs, and I wonder how long it'll be before people realise it's not worth it.

[SuzukiNess]

There have been at least 4 major studies done of what the impact of
distraction from other activities is on driver behavior and accidents.
Probably the most-relevant is an American Automobile Association
study, which specifically mentions smoking. The study, done by the
University of North Carolina of 284,000 drivers involved in accidents,
places smoking very low


my 5 cents worth to this thread :)

[the_lone_wolf]

as much as i dislike smoking this is the same as trying to ban it in people homes, if smoking whilst driving were causing the standard of driving to reduce then it should be dealt with under DWDC, but that would require real policemen in cars on the roads and we know that's never going to happen so we'll just ban everything:rolleyes:

[Keith1983]

I whole heartedly agree that it should be illegal. Aswell as the smoke inhilation issue, smoking is a distraction. My mum was involved in a serious car accident several years ago caused by a woman coming the opposite way down the road on the wrong side. Her excuse for this was that she had dropped her cigarette and was distracted by it. I appreciate that other people have different opinions but surely the fact that this has, does and will carry on happening means that smoking whilst driving should be banned! I think if a passenger wishes to smoke whilst in a car then it is a matter of personal choice.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I whole heartedly agree that it should be illegal. Aswell as the smoke inhilation issue, smoking is a distraction. My mum was involved in a serious car accident several years ago caused by a woman coming the opposite way down the road on the wrong side. Her excuse for this was that she had dropped her cigarette and was distracted by it. I appreciate that other people have different opinions but surely the fact that this has, does and will carry on happening means that smoking whilst driving should be banned! I think if a passenger wishes to smoke whilst in a car then it is a matter of personal choice.

Yes, and while we're at it, lets ban bikes, salty/fatty foods, car stereos. Ban everything. Then we can all live long dull pointless lives.

[Mr Speirs]

Mixed feelings bout this. Driving round town means you need to both hands to drive which I think a responsible driver/smoker would realise and wait until on dual-carriageway/ motorway when really only one hand is needed.
On the other hand driving with one hand is driving without due care and attention and under that smoking whilst driving is already illegal.

At the end of the day it is already illegal but even if it is banned its near impossible to police.

[simesb]

Her excuse for this was that she had dropped her cigarette and was distracted by it.

Anything can be a distraction, but what is the real risk? I had an accident when a woman pulled out in front of my car. Her excuse? Didn't see you. Happens all the time so what do we ban to stop that happening?

[Mr Speirs]

Anything can be a distraction, but what is the real risk? I had an accident when a woman pulled out in front of my car. Her excuse? Didn't see you. Happens all the time so what do we ban to stop that happening?

Underground air vacuum transport leaving the roads clear for us bikers. :)

[Stingo]

Anything can be a distraction, but what is the real risk? I had an accident when a woman pulled out in front of my car. Her excuse? Didn't see you. Happens all the time so what do we ban to stop that happening?

+1. It is futile to try or even attempt to legislate for every eventuality. Probably ridiculous too. Maybe even a bit daft. Let's just get with our little lives and mind our own business.

Enough already.=;

[custard]

too incensed to write anything coherrant!

[Dicky Ticker]

The law already bans you from smoking while driving a commercial vehicle even if you own it and the only driver.When I asked for the reason I was told that mechanics or vehicle inspectors may have to be in the vehicle so surely this also applies to private vehicles--------------Whats the difference between commercial and private?
I will add that I smoke and drive my car but not if it inconveniences any other passenger in the car

[simesb]

The law already bans you from smoking while driving a commercial vehicle even if you own it and the only driver.When I asked for the reason I was told that mechanics or vehicle inspectors may have to be in the vehicle

I think you'll find it's because they're classed as a workplace.

[cuffy]

So what's the difference between the old bill using there radio's whilst driving and Joe Public doing something criminally dangerous :rolleyes: like drinking out of a bottle or eating a sandwich???

[Grinch]

I think the real problem with smoking in cars is that your carrying a source of ignition in a car which you might drop, or in some cases discard out of you window only for it to come back in.

On top of that, when you do drop it out of the window its littering. While we are at it I've lost track of the times I've been hit or just avoided a discarded 'fag' when I'm on my bike. I'm sure its not just me or bikers, probably cyclist get the same problem.

[custard]

the old bull arent supposed to...

[plowsie]

At a social side of things the smoking ban is pants!

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I think the real problem with smoking in cars is that your carrying a source of ignition in a car which you might drop, or in some cases discard out of you window only for it to come back in.

On top of that, when you do drop it out of the window its littering. While we are at it I've lost track of the times I've been hit or just avoided a discarded 'fag' when I'm on my bike. I'm sure its not just me or bikers, probably cyclist get the same problem.

How is it a 'problem'? Seems to me like it's nothing more than a minor irritation, and the risk of it ever being anything more than that is so small it's not even worth considering.

[Lissa]

I smoke in the car. I will continue to smoke in the car. I don't throw the butts out of the window, I use the ashtray.

I'm getting a little bit fed up of the anti-smoking ******* trying to interfere in what we do in our PRIVATE space. The only person my smoking in the car affects is Pete. He knew I was a smoker when we met. He accepts that fact. It in no-one else's business.

[cuffy]

I smoke in the car. I will continue to smoke in the car. I don't throw the butts out of the window, I use the ashtray.

I'm getting a little bit fed up of the anti-smoking ******* trying to interfere in what we do in our PRIVATE space. The only person my smoking in the car affects is Pete. He knew I was a smoker when we met. He accepts that fact. It in no-one else's business.
It stunts ya growth ya'know ;)

[Lissa]

It stunts ya growth ya'know ;)


By the time I started smoking I was already as tall as I was gonna get:p

[Dicky Ticker]

"Classed as a workplace"--Yes but many many cars are also company cars or individuals on expenses for company business. This actually wasn't what I was implying.more along the line that if commercial drivers can comply with not smoking while driving why can't a car driver,after all we bike riders who smoke don't normally smoke while riding our bikes,we stop and have a fag break.

[cuffy]

By the time I started smoking I was already as tall as I was gonna get:p
6 months :o

[Lissa]

6 months :o

:shock:

You cheeky sod!

:D:D:D

[simesb]

"Classed as a workplace"--Yes but many many cars are also company cars or individuals on expenses for company business. This actually wasn't what I was implying.more along the line that if commercial drivers can comply with not smoking while driving why can't a car driver,after all we bike riders who smoke don't normally smoke while riding our bikes,we stop and have a fag break.

I'm not supporting it, only explaining why I think you can't; it's not a road safety issue. And I'm not for banning people doing things because other groups of people can't.

[Grinch]

How is it a 'problem'? Seems to me like it's nothing more than a minor irritation, and the risk of it ever being anything more than that is so small it's not even worth considering.

I think a fire in a car is more then just a irritation, but it happening is a small risk like all things in life. Same as falling asleep with a fag at home, but you still see adverts on the telly for it.

Oh and a fag in the face hurts.

[cuffy]

Oh and a fag in the face hurts.
You been bitch slapped by Barrymore :confused:

[G]

"Classed as a workplace"--Yes but many many cars are also company cars or individuals on expenses for company business. This actually wasn't what I was implying.more along the line that if commercial drivers can comply with not smoking while driving why can't a car driver,after all we bike riders who smoke don't normally smoke while riding our bikes,we stop and have a fag break.


Your misinterpreting the regulations, or have been misinformed by a third party, either way your assumptions are incorrect.

[Grinch]

You been bitch slapped by Barrymore :confused:

Not recently.

[Woz]

FFS, what's next? Ban passengers in case a conversation distracts the driver?

I don't smoke anymore but when I did, I did it while driving. Never had or caused an accident while doing it either.

[G]

FFS, what's next? Ban passengers in case a conversation distracts the driver?



Ahhh see now, you joke, however, in Ireland people are banned from having passengers in their car after 6pm for the first 2 years.......and I think its a bloody good idea.

Kids showing off to their mates is a big problem.....only two weeks ago two young lads I'm familiar with died in a car accident because the driver was not concentrating in the dark. (One of them was even a not very active member on here who had a restricted SV for when he passed his test)

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Kids showing off to their mates is a big problem.....only two weeks ago two young lads I'm familiar with died in a car accident because the driver was not concentrating in the dark. (One of them was even a not very active member on here who had a restricted SV for when he passed his test)

Just like loads of people who've known someone they once met who got killed in a motorcycle accident?

Constantly amazes me that a group of people who should understand how important liberty is are just as happy as anyone else to give it up.

[G]

Just like loads of people who've known someone they once met who got killed in a motorcycle accident?

Constantly amazes me that a group of people who should understand how important liberty is are just as happy as anyone else to give it up.

Ah but you forget motorcycles are already heavily restricted, with age, licences, bhp etc.

A 17 year old can get straight into a ferrari once the have passed their test with no restrictions at all as long as they can afford it....that to me is a problem.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Ah but you forget motorcycles are already heavily restricted, with age, licences, bhp etc.

A 17 year old can get straight into a ferrari once the have passed their test with no restrictions at all as long as they can afford it....that to me is a problem.

I'll bet the lad who killed himself wasnt driving anything like that though, so I don't think that point is valid.

[G]

I'll bet the lad who killed himself wasnt driving anything like that though, so I don't think that point is valid.


The lad who 'killed himself' wasnt driving, he was just ONE of the passengers that died........the driver was the only survivor.

Look at the difference in figures (%) from ireland to UK and try and argue that the scheme doesnt work.....population is taken into account in the percentages.

Mr Squirrel know you are completely against legislation and banning anything.....and the majority of the time I would agree, there is ALOT of crap decision making and **** legislation out there, but some of it is worthwhile and makes a difference.

As for the smoking one I couldnt careless like I said in a previous post, as ever there is arguements for and against.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

The lad who 'killed himself' wasnt driving, he was just ONE of the passengers that died........the driver was the only survivor.

Look at the difference in figures (%) from ireland to UK and try and argue that the scheme doesnt work.....population is taken into account in the percentages.

Mr Squirrel know you are completely against legislation and banning anything.....and the majority of the time I would agree, there is ALOT of crap decision making and **** legislation out there, but some of it is worthwhile and makes a difference.

As for the smoking one I couldnt careless like I said in a previous post, as ever there is arguements for and against.

That a % of younger drivers who get themselves killed you refering to there?

Re legislation - it's a shame isn't it. Personally I feel that any drive for further legislation with respect to 'safety' needs to be fought, simply because the government always takes it too far. Although with 3000 odd new laws (was it every day/week/year? can't remeber, either way it's unnecesary) it would appear futile. Seems noone cares.

[G]

Theres a saying.....

'Every new bit of legislation or law is written in blood'

[fizzwheel]

They should just ban driving, it'd be alot simpler. Along with anything else that somebody who doesnt really know what they are blithering about deems dangerous. Then we can all live in a nice, clean, safe sanitised environment. Until we all go out of our tiny little minds.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

They should just ban driving, it'd be alot simpler. Along with anything else that somebody who doesnt really know what they are blithering about deems dangerous. Then we can all live in a nice, clean, safe sanitised environment. Until we all go out of our tiny little minds.

If we continue to legislate the way we are and that happens, people will suddenly realise the liberty they've given up. I can't imagine any government would be too quick to hand it back either. Might take 20 years, might take 200, but I can see some serious trouble in the future.

[custard]

the cotton wool industry may well be the only industry to do well in the current economic climate.

[hovis]

you cant drink (non alcoholic) or eat when driving

so why should you be allowed to smoke?

[G]

the cotton wool industry may well be the only industry to do well in the current economic climate.

South Africa's are having a terrible time with their economy at the moment....inflation is up 1000000% and cotton pickers cant even afford a loaf of bread on 1 weeks wage ;)

[Flamin_Squirrel]

you cant drink (non alcoholic) or eat when driving

so why should you be allowed to smoke?

Because there's a massive additional risk from drink driving, and bugger all from smoking.

[hovis]

Because there's a massive additional risk from drink driving, and bugger all from smoking. which is?

whats the differance between getting a fag out and lighting it, then smoking it, to eating a mars bar or drinking a bottle of coke?

[simesb]

Because there's a massive additional risk from drink driving, and bugger all from smoking.

which is?

I think he was being facetious.

I didn't know eating and drinking was banned :shock:

[Ablazze]

you cant drink (non alcoholic) or eat when driving

so why should you be allowed to smoke?

1 waste of space health n safety law passed & you want another passing.

dont expect these folks to be happy once smokings banned, they wont give up & go home then, they will pick somet else to have banned & it might be something you like.


Jas...

[Flamin_Squirrel]

which is?

whats the differance between getting a fag out and lighting it, then smoking it, to eating a mars bar or drinking a bottle of coke?

My bad, missread what you put. Potentially I don't think there's much difference, depending on circumstance (eating a three course meal at the wheel would be pushing it, a bite of a choccy bar seems fair enough to me).

Any acts of careless driving are covered by, funnily enough, the offence of careless driving. Don't see why seperate laws are required. Oh, other than careless driving requires police to spot it, and they're expensive.

[G]

careless driving requires police to spot it, and they're expensive.

Nail on head.......Thats why none of this really matter.

I'll continue to eat my boots meal deals on the way home from meetings, just like people will continue to use their mobile phones whilst driving......nobody really pays any attention to it anyway.

[yorkie_chris]

Will I still be alright to smoke when on the bike though?

[G]

Will I still be alright to smoke when on the bike though?

They do that in rhodes, they also use their phones on bikes (helmets are a no no).....its not uncommon to see a 70year old on a scooter taking her 3 grand kids to school clinging onto the sides lol.

[SoulKiss]

Because there's a massive additional risk from drink driving, and bugger all from smoking.

I think in your rush to be your usual argumenative self you missed the phrase "non-alcoholic" in the original quite the Mr FS.................

[phil24_7]

I think it's way too far to go. Smoking in the car can actually reduce road rage and accidents. When I used to smoke, if I couldn't smoke while driving I would become distracted and aggressive (what's that Kate, I'm like that all the time??). Lighting one whilst moving should be illegal (think it may already be covered by law as by removing your hands from the controls you are no longer in control of your vehicle properly) as you generally need to look at the cigarette and have at least 1 hand off the controls.

Even if they do ban it, do you think they will be able to police it properly, the amount of resources taken up with tickets and court action will further screw our near useless legal system!!

[stanie]

the sooner the better IMO. just as bad as someone being on a mobile phone i think. you see em faffing around trying to get one out the packet and then lighting it etc etc and then not concentrating on the road properly.

exactly, im really not sure how using a mobile is different to smoking.
and of course, the people (often kids) in the car that have to deal with inhaling all that crap.

[stanie]

If they want smoking to be banned in cars then they might as well go the whole hog and ban it in houses/flats/caravans and in public outdoor places.



good idea, dam druggies ;)

[phil24_7]

"Classed as a workplace"--Yes but many many cars are also company cars or individuals on expenses for company business. This actually wasn't what I was implying.more along the line that if commercial drivers can comply with not smoking while driving why can't a car driver,after all we bike riders who smoke don't normally smoke while riding our bikes,we stop and have a fag break.

That's right, when I started my new job and had to drive around in a company van with another smoker, I stopped smoking in the vehicle and had regular fag breaks! :rolleyes:

I also NEVER see lorry drivers or other people in company cars and vans etc smoking.... EVER!! :rolleyes:

I could even manage smoking on the bike if I so chose but I prefered to ride like a loon which just burned the fag down far too quick!! ;-)

So to sum up MANY commercial drivers and company car drivers quite openly flout the rules so I doubt a ban for everyone will do much at all, it'll just give the government another revenue and the police force another easily achieved target!

[phil24_7]

FFS, what's next? Ban passengers in case a conversation distracts the driver?

I don't smoke anymore but when I did, I did it while driving. Never had or caused an accident while doing it either.

Quite true, even when I dropped a fag it never caused an accident, I'd just pull over ASAP and discard the offending fag. However, a spider dropping down from the roof lining once caused me to completely forget I was trying to drive my car meaning I parked it in the rear end of the car in front, so are we to ban spiders?!?!?!;)

[stanie]

Yes, and while we're at it, lets ban bikes, salty/fatty foods, car stereos. Ban everything. Then we can all live long dull pointless lives.

ha ha, are you a smoker by any chance? ;)

[stanie]

I'm getting a little bit fed up of the anti-smoking ******* trying to interfere in what we do in our PRIVATE space.

as far as i was aware, this was the first time id heard talk of smokers being stopped from smoking in THIER OWN space.
please tell me if im wrong :)

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I think in your rush to be your usual argumenative self you missed the phrase "non-alcoholic" in the original quite the Mr FS.................

And if you'd bother to read the thread further you'd see I corrected myself. Suggest you take some of your own advice.

[simesb]

ha ha, are you a smoker by any chance? ;)

I am, but mainly I'm a libertarian.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

ha ha, are you a smoker by any chance? ;)

Nope, I think it's a nasty habit. But tolerating smoking is a small price to pay if it means preventing self righteous do-gooders for spoiling the fun of millions. Especially when they try and justify it with some feeble safety reason.

[Davies]

FFS, what a joke. I think there are more important things going on in the world/this country for this to even be considered. =;

[Geoffrey]

I almost got hit by a gentle driving his car whilst smoking. I do not think it is as bad as using a mobile phone.

[SuzukiNess]

I smoke in the car. I will continue to smoke in the car. I don't throw the butts out of the window, I use the ashtray.

I'm getting a little bit fed up of the anti-smoking ******* trying to interfere in what we do in our PRIVATE space. The only person my smoking in the car affects is Pete. He knew I was a smoker when we met. He accepts that fact. It in no-one else's business.

:winner:


i'm with you.

[Jayneflakes]

I am disgusted by this... I think that smokers should be made to sit in a dark room in cold damp cellar, dressed in rags and drinking filthy polluted rain water. Good god, why are these drug fiends allowed on the road?
All I ever did was smoke some crack, crash my car into a bus stop full of Nuns and orphans and they banned me for six months...





Actually, I don't let Carol smoke in the car or the house because I am alergic to tobacco smoke it does make me really poorly, but to ban smoking in cars outright is ludicrous. Hmm... civil liberties... freedom of choice... Damn the nanny state. Grrrrr

By the way, I am also an ex smoker.:smt026 Makes me twice the fascist of the non smokers on here. =;

[SV-net]

Yeah ban it.
I see some people paying more attention to the cigarette rather than driving, T>W>A>T>S

[yorkie_chris]

Won't help. See how effective the mobile phone law was?

[G]

Won't help. See how effective the mobile phone law was?

Exactly :rolleyes:

I see people on their phones constantly....infact today I saw a van switch lanes without looking today to make an extra cars length in two stationary lines of traffic.......Phone to his ear, fag in mouth and coffee sat on dash :rolleyes:

[Woz]

Exactly :rolleyes:

I see people on their phones constantly....infact today I saw a van switch lanes without looking today to make an extra cars length in two stationary lines of traffic.......Phone to his ear, fag in mouth and coffee sat on dash :rolleyes:


The thing is, even without those 'distractions', he probably would have done exactly the same thing.

[G]

He might have looked if he hadnt been concentrating elsewhere at the time.....IE making sure his coffee didnt fall off the dash

[chakraist]

**** that ****. I smoke on my bike.

[monkey]

I'd happily stop smoking in cars as soon as people driving with only one hand on the wheel is banned.

[yorkie_chris]

Er? Change gear with your teeth?

[chakraist]

Er? Change gear with your teeth?

lol!

[monkey]

Quite true, even when I dropped a fag it never caused an accident, I'd just pull over ASAP and discard the offending fag. However, a spider dropping down from the roof lining once caused me to completely forget I was trying to drive my car meaning I parked it in the rear end of the car in front, so are we to ban spiders?!?!?!;)

I hear you Phil! Same thing's happened to me except it was running round the centre part of the steering wheel. (Oh I didn't crash though, just looked mental emergency stopping and kicking poo out of steering wheel!)

[monkey]

exactly, im really not sure how using a mobile is different to smoking.


You cannot be serious?!

[monkey]

Er? Change gear with your teeth?

You know I didn't mean that!

[G]

I hear you Phil! Same thing's happened to me except it was running round the centre part of the steering wheel. (Oh I didn't crash though, just looked mental emergency stopping and kicking poo out of steering wheel!)


Kerry once stopped and ran away from her car in the middle of a busy 3 lane crossroads because a wasp flew in her car. lol

[Viney]

Kerry once stopped and ran away from her car in the middle of a busy 3 lane crossroads because a wasp flew in her car. lol
Ban Kerry!

As i think FS mentioned, calress driving law is already out there and covers anything that distracts you from the job in hand and that should cover smoking, drinking, eating, using say nav, taking faxes, playing with your stereo/ipod/mp3/4 player, writing notes, reading the paper, reading a map, and generaly not concentrating. Then you have the next law up, driving without due care... it goes on.

[yorkie_chris]

So basically if they ban it, it'll go totally unenforced because there's so few coppers, making it another pointless lot of paper. What are they going to do after a crash? Breathalyse you for nicotine content to check?

Doesn't answer the important question though... does this affect smoking on the bike?

[Flamin_Squirrel]

So basically if they ban it, it'll go totally unenforced because there's so few coppers, making it another pointless lot of paper. What are they going to do after a crash? Breathalyse you for nicotine content to check?

Doesn't answer the important question though... does this affect smoking on the bike?

No no, NONE of this is pointless at all. If you make so many laws everyone inevitably breaks them, it doesn't matter if the law isn't enforced. Everyones now a criminal, so if the government takes a disliking to a person or group of people they have the tools already at their disposal to ruin/imprison them. The typical actions of an oppressive government.

[yorkie_chris]

Indeed. The ID card thing worries me a lot too. Though I do hope to leave the country as soon as possible.

[AndyBrad]

Not read all the posts but..

Smoking in cars while driving should be banned. As for the people that think the gov will loose so much money from people stopping thats ******** as well. the amount saved from not having to treat heart, lung etc conditions will far far outweigh any tax brought in from the sale of fags!!!! FACT

[simesb]

Not read all the posts but..

Smoking in cars while driving should be banned. As for the people that think the gov will loose so much money from people stopping thats ******** as well. the amount saved from not having to treat heart, lung etc conditions will far far outweigh any tax brought in from the sale of fags!!!! FACT

Can't be bothered reading your post. Smoking in cars should be compulsory. :cool:

[yorkie_chris]

Not read all the posts but..

Smoking in cars while driving should be banned. As for the people that think the gov will loose so much money from people stopping thats ******** as well. the amount saved from not having to treat heart, lung etc conditions will far far outweigh any tax brought in from the sale of fags!!!! FACT

Care to support that bit with any good reason?

[simesb]

Care to support that bit with any good reason?

Anti-smoking Nazi?

[custard]

no one to police it?

you obviously never heard of sanctioned detections....

get towards the end of the month/year and they need their performance figures up and they will be stopping people everywhere!

[phil24_7]

Exactly :rolleyes:

I see people on their phones constantly....infact today I saw a van switch lanes without looking today to make an extra cars length in two stationary lines of traffic.......Phone to his ear, fag in mouth and coffee sat on dash :rolleyes:

Hey, that was tea, not coffee!:rolleyes:

[stanie]

no one to police it?

you obviously never heard of sanctioned detections....

get towards the end of the month/year and they need their performance figures up and they will be stopping people everywhere!

yeah, no-one to police it.
its like the seatbelt law, nobody EVER gets caught not wearing one.........