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keithd
08-10-08, 03:41 PM
plenty of talking points here i suspect....


What do Princess Diana and Tim Westwood have in common? It sounds like the start to a bad joke but the right answer is that both have been accused of contributing to Britain's 'downfall'.

The Daily Mail is this week serialising a book by Quentin Letts which points the finger at fifty seemingly scrupulous characters for the 'demise' of Great Britain.
Here, in no particular order, are twenty examples:

1. Jeffrey Archer: "His crassness, his boastfulness, his social mountaineering, his pushiness, his sheer screamingly obvious dodginess, were traffic signs to his character and should have prevented him getting as far as he did."

2. Howard Schultz: The man who put world domination on the agenda for coffee chain Starbucks.

3. Tim Westwood: "Middle-aged Westwood is a Radio 1 disc jockey who has so immersed himself in the music of black rappers and American-style hip-hoppers that he has started to talk like one - and is leading thousands of young listeners down the same ill-guided alley."

4. Tony Blair: "There is a good, rough word to describe Tony Blair but we had better not write it out here in full."

5. Paul Burrell: "After Burrell, we expect less of close confidants. And we are less surprised by his sort of treachery."

6. John Prescott: "Prescott, a revolting specimen with the manners of a flatulent caveman, demeaned our public life."

7. Sir Jimmy Saville: "There are other examples - Tony Blackburn, Sir Paul McCartney, Keith Chegwin, Chris Evans - of egomaniac idiots whose refusal to submit to age infects our society with immaturity."

8. Richard Dawkins: "Anti-religionist Dawkins, the best-known English dissenter since Darwin, is the merciless demander of provable fact."

9. Janet Street-Porter: "This ageing non-revolutionary helped to mould a London media elite who are now hooked on youth."

10. Sir Alex Ferguson: "A man who has helped to drive the fun out of football and who often seems to forget that the contest between two teams of 11 lads is merely a game, not a struggle between right and wrong."

11. Richard Brunstrom: "The traffic-crazed Chief Constable of North Wales Police has pursued motorists to the point of frenzy."

12. Margaret Thatcher: "It was in the pursuit of the trade unions - specifically, Arthur Scargill's National Union of Mineworkers - that Mrs Thatcher did lasting damage to our country."

13. Princess Diana: "The sorry truth is that this adored concept, this packaged, airbrushed Diana, weakened our society. She made us more neurotic."

14. Charles Saatchi: "Does Saatchi never stop to consider what it does to the nurse or the soldier on a basic wage to see such fecklessness as Tracey Emin's 'Everyone I Have Ever Slept With' hailed as a masterpiece?"

15. John McEnroe: "McEnroe helped spread bad sportmanship to a generation of youngsters."

16. Stephen Marks: The man behind **** is blamed for "contributing to the coarseness of language in public."

17. Frank Blackmore: The man who introduced the mini-roundabout to Britain's roads. Enough said.

18. Alan Titchmarsh: "Alan is 'doing his bit for the environment' by joining something called the 'Saving Planet Earth' project. But after so much Alan Titchmarsh, will it want to be saved? Or will it plead for euthanasia?"

19. Richard Beeching: Behind the closure of a long list of railway stations. "To this day, there are traffic jams and bottlenecks which can be traced to Beeching."

20. Edward Heath: Heath was blamed for creating a climate of political terror about immigration

Zombie Jesus
08-10-08, 03:49 PM
yeah
8. Richard Dawkins: "Anti-religionist Dawkins, the best-known English dissenter since Darwin, is the merciless demander of provable fact."
I don't see how any of these are bad things :shock:

rigor
08-10-08, 03:52 PM
Daily Mail

demander of provable fact

I can see how the Daily Mail would think that someone who wants facts is a bad thing ;)

thedonal
08-10-08, 03:54 PM
Indeed- Dawkins should be hailed as a public hero, in my humble...

the_lone_wolf
08-10-08, 03:57 PM
I can see how the Daily Mail would think that someone who wants facts is a bad thing ;)
i lol'd:D

where's tony blair on that list?

Luckypants
08-10-08, 04:00 PM
i lol'd:D

where's tony blair on that list?

Number 4.

Nice to see Uncle Brunstrom made it on there to, The Daily Mail love him :smt055

keithd
08-10-08, 04:01 PM
i lol'd:D

where's tony blair on that list?

4 ;)

Dangerous Dave
08-10-08, 05:20 PM
Yes they have all done bad, but most have also done good.

the_lone_wolf
08-10-08, 05:22 PM
Number 4.

4 ;)

doh:rolleyes::D

xXBADGERXx
08-10-08, 05:30 PM
Mini roundabouts , a bad thing ? are they nuts . Look at it this way , you have a junction with loads of cars piling up on it , somebody gets impatient and pulls out sharpish to beat the other side . You are coming along on your bike and get turned into Patè on their bonnet . Same could be said for Mini Roundabouts but let`s face facts , they aren`t the scourge of Britain . The majority of this list isn`t worth the toilet paper it was written on ................... apart from Tim Westwood , I detest that man innit .

Biker Biggles
08-10-08, 06:09 PM
Were there any multi millionare bankers and city traders on the list?A bit out of date if not.

Woz
08-10-08, 06:15 PM
I'd like to add...

Simon Cowell
The a*se who devised Big Brother
and
the publishers of OK, Hello or anything else of that ilk.

Flamin_Squirrel
08-10-08, 07:29 PM
Were there any multi millionare bankers and city traders on the list?A bit out of date if not.

Unless you fancy communism, that's a fairly pointless addition to the list.

I'd like to add...

Simon Cowell
The a*se who devised Big Brother
and
the publishers of OK, Hello or anything else of that ilk.

The **** who devised big brother is on the list 8)

Biker Biggles
08-10-08, 08:12 PM
Not so sure about pointless.The question was who ruined Britain?Well if you want to exclude the "masters of the universe"money men then you wont get your answer.Prescott and Cowell might be seen as a pair of &rses,but who has had all our money leaving this nation on its knees?Niether of the above and not the communists either.

Woz
08-10-08, 08:17 PM
Prescott and Cowell might be seen as a pair of &rses,but who has had all our money leaving this nation on its knees?Niether of the above and not the communists either.

A valid point. However, I truly believe that the likes of Cowell and the purveyors of celebrity culture have had a huge detrimental effect on the aspirations and attitudes of todays yoof. Too many kids these days think that 'famous' and 'celebrity' are geniune career choices.

xXBADGERXx
08-10-08, 08:21 PM
I don`t encourage them by watching that mental Diarrhoea , give it a wide berth .

chakraist
08-10-08, 08:22 PM
Indeed- Dawkins should be hailed as a public hero, in my humble...

Dawkins knows nothing about religion; his misguided views leave him as a figurehead for anti-religious views. Dawkins loves religion, he loves the idea of religion, but he seeks to disprove it. I did a 30 credit module on science and religion last year so I know a fair bit about it; I wouldn't suggest Dawkins is someone that's ruining the country, he's encouraging thought, but I doubt he is creating good.

Flamin_Squirrel
08-10-08, 08:57 PM
Not so sure about pointless.The question was who ruined Britain?Well if you want to exclude the "masters of the universe"money men then you wont get your answer.Prescott and Cowell might be seen as a pair of &rses,but who has had all our money leaving this nation on its knees?Niether of the above and not the communists either.

Melodramatic tosh. We're experiencing a down turn, it was inevitable. If it wasnt because of the housing market it would have been something else. All part of the capitalist economic cycle. It might be a pain, but the alternative would be to leave all the money in the hands of the government, and I'd suggest that's a far worse proposition. So please, no more whining about the money men.

hovis
08-10-08, 08:58 PM
jeramy kyle?

Biker Biggles
08-10-08, 09:01 PM
We shall see.

Raf
08-10-08, 09:11 PM
Where is the entry for "All of us"?

simesb
08-10-08, 09:17 PM
Surely the list is who is currently ruining Britain? There are plenty of people over the past 400 years who have sowed the seed.......

SimJ
08-10-08, 09:29 PM
Margaret 'there is no such thing as society' Thatcher would get my vote for number 1.

Flamin_Squirrel
08-10-08, 09:35 PM
Margaret 'there is no such thing as society' Thatcher would get my vote for number 1.

Oh it's getting so damn boring hearing that. Because things have got so much better with a 'caring' Labour government.

xXBADGERXx
08-10-08, 09:35 PM
I beg to differ , apart from the Miner`s strike , Britain prospored very well under the rule of the Iron Lady .

tigersaw
08-10-08, 09:37 PM
Margaret 'there is no such thing as society' Thatcher would get my vote for number 1.

Hmm, I remember life before M Thatcher, and despite everything history now tells us, she was a breath of fresh air.

Biker Biggles
09-10-08, 06:22 PM
Aye we was poor then,but we was appy.By gum.

carnivore
09-10-08, 06:45 PM
It may not be 'a' person but I have to include the daily mail in the list of things that have ruined britain, it's just so hypocritical and full of alarmist bollox, fearlessly up holding the 'values' that made this country great. Such as paying large portions of the populous a pittance while industrialists got minted, empire building and beating democracy into the natives with gun boats etc.......
:rant:.:rant:

xXBADGERXx
09-10-08, 07:40 PM
Aye we was poor then,but we was appy.By gum.


We had a handful of Hot gravel for supper and before we went to bed , dad used to lay into us with a breadknife

Biker Biggles
09-10-08, 08:08 PM
Ah it was Monty Python that ruined us.

northwind
09-10-08, 08:32 PM
Melodramatic tosh. We're experiencing a down turn, it was inevitable. If it wasnt because of the housing market it would have been something else. All part of the capitalist economic cycle.

This is the first time we've had people actively encouraging loss for limited profit though. So I'll add John Paulson to the list as a figurehead for people who'll kill the sheep to make it easier to shear.

Where is Bob Geldof? He invented saving the world while sitting in your seat, and then was the biggest promoter to date of the pointless one-off protest. Now it's charity to buy pop CDs, and you can tell yourself you've done your part by clicking a button on the internet. And ****ing Bono can join him on that entry.

xXBADGERXx
09-10-08, 09:11 PM
Where is Bob Geldof? And ****ing Bono can join him on that entry.

Yeah , a right pair of shouty tramps :D