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Shellywoozle

11-10-08, 09:44 PM

SuzukiNess

11-10-08, 09:48 PM

fizzwheel

11-10-08, 09:50 PM

That collar looks fricken evil. Surely thats not the best solution to your problem.

dizzyblonde

11-10-08, 09:50 PM

definately not to the collar, thats horrendous!

Halti collar, or canac gentle leader. and be stern with him. If I lived nearer I'd come and give you a hand with him

You have to remember hes a dog shell, I know hes your baby, but you have to be really stern with him, and hes still ver y young

Bob is my baby and has only just gone 2. You try teach a stafff whippet manners, who's built like a truck and runs like poo off a stick. As soon as his canac is over his face he's well behaved
Springers are bouncy working dogs, they need strong handling, and they need to be kept constantly occupied, of course you know all that cause you've been to training classes

Shellywoozle

11-10-08, 09:51 PM

Shell,i dont know... i look at that and think its quite cruel... yet i spose others would say not. i have a rather stubborn basset and i tends to pull too. i pull him back once and say WAIT quite sternly and he is eventually responding and realising he shouldnt pull.

Good luck with samson, and hope u get him to stop the pulling. me, personally would not go down that hitler type collar.

Problem is I have got the stern voice but no strength to pull hiim back. He has managed to pull a 6ft bloke down the road LOL he is 20kg if pure muscle low to the ground. But his pulling his hurting his throat and he coughs even when he is off the lead.

My colleague states that after one or two pinches they walk nicely and there is no pinching. He says he uses one on his dog and it causes no pain but I not convinced like you. But I have to get him to stop pulling else he is going to hurt his wind pipe. He makes some horrid heaving noises when he comes from a walk :( cause he has pulled too much.

Halti no goo, he just pulls and his head gets pulled back, he seems not to get this no pullling thing. I just worried he will hurt his spine one day. Are all Springers mad like this LOL

It loks to horrid don't it :( oh maybe I could chop a leg off LOL be more kind

fizzwheel

11-10-08, 09:54 PM

Problem is I have got the stern voice but no strength to pull hiim back.

But if he didnt pull you wouldnt need to be strong in order to pull him back.

Surely the pulling is a symptom of something else or behaviour he has leanred and thats what you need to fix.

zsv650

11-10-08, 09:54 PM

it's a spaniel wear it out (theyre nutters i know)

SuzukiNess

11-10-08, 09:55 PM

have you tried the body harness thingy? would defo eleviate the hurting of his throat.

sarah

11-10-08, 09:55 PM

I have heard that the electric collars can be good but worth getting proper training to learn how to use them.

dizzyblonde

11-10-08, 09:56 PM

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Canac collar, the halti is slightly different in that the loop under his chin isn't fixed so it tightens a little more over the muzzle. The point is that instead of you controlling the dogs strong point(his neck) you control his face,,, whereever his face goes he goes, just like a horse in fact. Ahh isn't Bob lovely

Shellywoozle

11-10-08, 09:58 PM

have you tried the body harness thingy? would defo eleviate the hurting of his throat.

Thats what made him so muscular, he is worse on a body harness altho it doesnt hurt him.

it's a spaniel wear it out (theyre nutters i know)

There is not enough hours in the day LOL

But if he didnt pull you wouldnt need to be strong in order to pull him back.

Surely the pulling is a symptom of something else or behaviour he has leanred and thats what you need to fix.

I was a pup when I broke my arm last year, after my partner left I really struggled to walk him without doing me damage. I rebroke my arm more than once walking him hence why it took over 7 months to heal. I could feel it go as he pulled. I had to use both arms to control him so I do blame myself.

Dog classes have done nothing, they taught me to use a check chain which worked for a while, and certainly in the classes where he was a model dog. Then on a walk he would find something he liked and would shoot off. I have tgried to retrain him but I don't know where I am going wrong.

All Springer owners local to me are having the same issues and say its a breed problem.

ArtyLady

11-10-08, 09:59 PM

Im with Dizzy on this - my old girl used to pull like a train - the Halti was the only thing that stopped her - they really respect it - absolutely the best investment I made :cool:

dizzyblonde

11-10-08, 10:00 PM

Shell I've had a Basset hound on a Halti, and if you think a SPringer can pull, you couldn't begin to imagine how hard a basset can. The halti stopped it, and he walked gently, so does Bob. I have two dogs to walk, both with Haltis both that pull on normal leads like trains, remember, bothe my shoulders are paggered, no muscles left in one of them, and I can handle them both with my bad arm at once

i really think you need to give him more discipline, Im not sure its Samson hun, it may be how you are with him chick

Shellywoozle

11-10-08, 10:01 PM

I will go and find one of those canac collars they look much better. I don't care how much it costs so if it doesnt work I will try the next thing. He has abour 5 different collars and harnesses as it is LOL. Bless him

And you are correct Dizzy it is me not Sam, I have no strength and after an hour I get tired and ratty. I never shout at him but he know he tires me out and then plays on it. I have had to run with him instead of walking as I can then keep up with him and it won't hurt him, keeps me fit but I can't run everywhere LOL

Thank you all xx

zsv650

11-10-08, 10:04 PM

the best thing to wear a dog out is chasing wabbit's our collie used to do it wouldnt hurt them when she caught em just did it for a laugh i think(mad dog miss her)

husky03

11-10-08, 10:04 PM

Shell you tried a walkie belt?

dizzyblonde

11-10-08, 10:07 PM

They are only about a tenner

The best thing you can do is to take him in the garden with the halti on, and walk him up and down, until he is at a point you are happy with, make it a game, if he behaves give him a biscuit and praise him for it, keep him focused on you, dogs like games and you have to be the intersting thing, not the smells in the garden. When you are happy he will do that in the garden, which may take a while, then take him out somewhere

God I have been watching far tooo much dog borstal...lol

Shellywoozle

11-10-08, 10:09 PM

LOL Dizzy, I watch the dog whisperer as well as borstal. Thanks hun xx
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Fankoo all woof woof

dizzyblonde

11-10-08, 10:17 PM

Shellywoozle

11-10-08, 10:21 PM

now then, lol, its alright getting them to behave on a lead, but how the hell do you get em to come back;)
My two, if they see a dog in the distance run, Bob will come back but honey is going deaf in her old age( or is it selective deafness)

naughty doggies

I bought a 60ft dog lead, Sam was naughty and used to run to any dog and play. Some dog were not so nice and sometimes Sam was not so nice. I let him run around with this on and kept hold of it, letting him run about and have freedom but I still had him under a certain amount of control. When we play ball i let go of the lead totally but generally I can be 60ft behind him, tread on the lead and he stops. :) each time I stepped on it I used the same command followed by a blow on a whistle.

He has now learnt that the whistle and command mean come back, which 90% of the time he does.

TazDaz

11-10-08, 10:25 PM

dizzyblonde

11-10-08, 10:27 PM

I have something like that in the garden for Bob, you see he has to be on that or he jumps the 6 ft garden fence, into the field behind. One ends clipped to the washing line so he has full run of the garden and the other to his collar. Its really long, it stops just short of the back fence;-) so he can't jump it. If hes not on that he's off, and so is Honey, 9 yr old or not....pair of cheeky monkeys. Funny thing is though, she ain't bothered about legging it, if hes on the line. Whats really odd is that the garden gates are lower and they aren't bothered about going into either of my neighbours gardens...see cheeky monkeys
Might take it up the moors next time we're up there, see if it helps, and lots of biscuits of course!

Shellywoozle

11-10-08, 10:30 PM

Stick him on a treadmill for a bit if you have one. That would wear him out! :)

Do as Ceaser says and stay calm and use single word commands like "wait" or "easy" whilst sharply tugging on the lead. Eventually he'll learn what the word means!

Springers can be a pain in the rear to walk though. Mine just wanted to sniff everything, regardless of how far away it was from where I was walking!

LOL he he yup. Sam likes fast food wrappers. No matter where they are he smells them out, and won't stop til he gets nose contact. Sod his Mum on the other end of the lead. I walk him on 2 football pitches at the back of my house, on the way on the field he clocks what he wants to eat later. He lets me walk him up the length of both fields then when we are half way down he runs to the food he found on the way in, knowing there is no way I can run the length of a footie pitch in time. He usually has chips and curry sauce for brekkie from the chavs tea the night before.

I love dogs

Gravy bones Dizzy ..... awesome LOL that frees up the biccies for you !

dizzyblonde

11-10-08, 10:36 PM

I love dogs

Gravy bones Dizzy ..... awesome LOL that frees up the biccies for you !

lol yeah, they like those, but they give Bob chronic farts!!! anyway I meant dog biccies...I find em a bit dry...eugh...lol

With the chip wrappers and stuff...have you tried the shaker trick??
Bob likes eating fowl stuff( I'm not saying what) and I have a small tin of pennies that I use to shake when I see him going for horrid stuff, whilst giving a stern 'leave'. After the first few times, he got the message, and now he just 'leaves' to my voice.

TazDaz

11-10-08, 10:40 PM

likes eating fowl stuff( I'm not saying what)

First time my current jack russell went up the fields, he decided to eat a mouthfull of cow crap and then roll in a pile of fox crap!

Why are dogs so attracted to things which smell bad!!??!!??

Shellywoozle

11-10-08, 10:41 PM

lol yeah, they like those, but they give Bob chronic farts!!! anyway I meant dog biccies...I find em a bit dry...eugh...lol

With the chip wrappers and stuff...have you tried the shaker trick??
Bob likes eating fowl stuff( I'm not saying what) and I have a small tin of pennies that I use to shake when I see him going for horrid stuff, whilst giving a stern 'leave'. After the first few times, he got the message, and now he just 'leaves' to my voice.

Mmm Sam seems to go deaf when food is on his mind (typical male). I let him run in the morning as nobody is about at 6.30am and he runs around in circles in front but then he suddenly goes like a bullet. No noise or command I make will deter him from his curry and chips. LOL. I pray that it will give him the runs later and he will learn but never does LOL

Solution is to kill the chavs who leave litter !

First time my current jack russell went up the fields, he decided to eat a mouthfull of cow crap and then roll in a pile of fox crap!

Why are dogs so attracted to things which smell bad!!??!!??

God knows why, stinks dunnit

dizzyblonde

11-10-08, 10:46 PM

First time my current jack russell went up the fields, he decided to eat a mouthfull of cow crap and then roll in a pile of fox crap!

Why are dogs so attracted to things which smell bad!!??!!??

I have no idea, but cat poo isn't what i'd consider a tasty morsel:shock:
And i really can't understand why on earth roliing in something that smells like 6 month old blue stilton out on the moors, could give you the impression you'd be attractivre to the opposite sex......oh the wonders of a dogs mind:rolleyes:

Frank

11-10-08, 10:51 PM

you need a log to beat them with

xXBADGERXx

12-10-08, 01:06 AM

Woozle , PM me your address , I am going to lend you a book that will change your life and the Dog`s life forever for the better with no fuss or stress to the Dog and yourself . For what it`s worth , the Halti is the best option as stated by others . If a Dog gets away on you , then walk away , they will look for you and feel abandoned and come after you but there are other things you need to do first to secure your order in their world .

P.S. I am drunk so remind me in the morning :D

Lozzo

12-10-08, 01:30 AM

May I refer the young lady to the "show your bang sticks" thread

kwak zzr

12-10-08, 08:49 AM

that collar doesnt look samson friendly hun :( he would hate that, my vote goes with that muzzle type collar that your lead attaches to underneath of samsons chin, my dad had one of those on his border collie because he was a bugger going walkies too, the vet recomended his, worked aswell, as doggie pulls his head gets turned :)

Dangerous Dave

12-10-08, 10:47 AM

Try a Halti, we use it on the Dane and it keeps him under control.

dirtydog

12-10-08, 10:48 AM

That collar looks very nasty, I wouldn't even consider using it. My dog constantly pulls on his lead and has done since i got him when he was about 18months- 2 years old tried a normal harness didn't work at all tried a choke collar thqat didn't work either so just kind of put up with having to constantly tell him "here" when we were out walking. Recently bought him a Halti harness and it's brilliant he hardly pulls on it at all

missyburd

12-10-08, 01:07 PM

Not liking the look of that collar at all. We don't use anything on our Alsatian, he tends to be a bit of a drag when you first get out the house but soon calms down. When we used to have to use a fabric muzzle he'd become very docile, he didn't like it at all, I couldn't stand seeing him upset so eventually stopped using it, he didn't need it for long anyway. With him not being castrated if he gets a pretty scent he can be a reyt pain when pulling but a stern sound from me brings him back to reality lol. Unfortunately he's walked by my ma most of the time as I'm at uni so he gets into bad habits easily :rolleyes:

My friends who used to have 3 standard poodles used to go out with rolled-up newspapers and tap the dogs on the nose if they moved in front. Having to walk 3 dogs at a time can be tricky at times, especially as they weren't small but apparently it worked really well.

Also, dogs tend to pull a lot when they know exactly where they're going i.e. the same walks. If you were to walk in a straight line with the dog next to you then suddenly turn about in the other direction a few times, the dog would be confused and hence stay close (provided you reward appropriately :)). If I take Riddick - my dog - on a long walk somewhere random that he's not familiar with, he's an absolute angel on the lead and stays with me instead of the occasional tendency to rag me arm off lol (probably more due to him being a protective so-and-so).

Just a bit of patience and the ability to let Samson know right from wrong is all that's needed Shell, although a stern voice is best, if Samson knows the difference between 'No' and 'Good lad' (or whatever you use hehe) then sometimes it's enough. Spaniels are hyperactive creatures, so patience is especially important!

Sorry for the long post! Good luck :D

instigator

12-10-08, 01:23 PM

You need to watch the dog whisperer! ;)

kwak zzr

12-10-08, 02:45 PM

anyhow samsons only naughty cus you had his balls removed shell!!! i dont blame him!!

Shellywoozle

12-10-08, 05:35 PM

anyhow samsons only naughty cus you had his balls removed shell!!! i dont blame him!!

Yeah yeah, he was like that before, he has pulled you down the street and you have handed the lead back to me LOL

I am gonna go with the halti with the attachment under the chin. I will get one on way home from work tomorrow if I finish on time.

Instigator - I do watch Ceasar, he is brill. :) Its me thats carp.

He been out all day with my mum and he been good apparently so maybe he just pulls for me :( anyone know how to sew his balls back on LOL

Dave20046

12-10-08, 06:02 PM

I can't believe that a thread sprung up on another forum I'm on to get those evil things banned yesterday.

Shellywoozle

12-10-08, 06:05 PM

I can't believe that a thread sprung up on another forum I'm on to get those evil things banned yesterday.

I showed Sam a piccy and he said "Mummy I am leaving home if you get one of those" LOL then he shot under the table

bless

Dave20046

12-10-08, 06:07 PM

I showed Sam a piccy and he said "Mummy I am leaving home if you get one of those" LOL then he shot under the table

bless
What did he think you were going to put it on him?!

Shellywoozle

12-10-08, 06:09 PM

What did he think you were going to put it on him?!

No I not got one but he told me not to waste my money as he would not have it round his neck.

LOL ha ha ha. I have food he is back out from under the table now ...... my friend again :kiss:

Dave20046

12-10-08, 06:11 PM

No I not got one but he told me not to waste my money as he would not have it round his neck.

LOL ha ha ha. I have food he is back out from under the table now ...... my friend again :kiss:
lol
They do look like the worst things ever though...

Samnooshka

12-10-08, 06:12 PM

OK ya all know I have a bad shoulder due to my off, and ya all know I have a mad springer spaniel, Samson.

I am having major issues with Sam at the mo in relation to his behaviour since I had him castrated but one of his issues is his pullin on the lead. I have been to dog training classes, tried all sorts of collars, harnesses etc etc.

I was speaking to an ex dog handler at work the other day and he suggested this german pinch collar. It is meant to sit high on the neck, behind the dogs ears and if he pulls one small pull (not a tug) will make the prongs pinch his neck and he will immediately stop pulling. He also said an electric collar is good but if you do not send the electronic pulse at the right time then it is pointless.

Has anyone ever used one of these collars? Are they kind? They have no sharp points and what he said made sense when he explained how they work but Sam is my baby and I would not want to hurt him in any way. I used a check chain after the training people told me to but he choked himself rather than stop pulling so I got rid. HELPPP
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I wouldn't use one if these collars on my dogs even if you paid me too!! they are unethical and very painful for the dogs and i don't know what kind of kick the Ceaser Millan **** thinks he gets out of it!! It is wrong wrong wrong!! Just like electric shock collars! Makes me want to put these things on the owners and tug the lead tight!!

Why not try a halti? It is a strap that goes over the nose and means that the dog is unable to pull. Also maybe worth going to obedience where he will learn that he has to listen to you :) (sorry not sure if you do or dont go to classes but worth mentioning :)) If you need a list of classes in your area then i'll dig out a list for you... the best are ADTB (which i did my dog training qualification (up to level 3)) and there is another one which i have forgotten the name of at the mo.

Samnooshka

12-10-08, 06:29 PM

Sorry Shell i haven't read the whole thread... but have you also thought about Gundog training... you don't actually have to go out shooting things, you work with dummies and it just gives him something to do :) Also if he loves pulling so much have you thought about doing this??

http://www.snowpawstore.co.uk/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=260&cat=75

Any dog (withing reason) can do it... i don't have any other dogs to hand other than malamutes to take pictures of doing this.... but we get all sorts of people calling us for these :) also why not try cani-x or one of these... which i use for walking any dog as it gives my hands free :)
http://www.snowpawstore.co.uk/store/comersus_listCategoriesAndProducts.asp?idCategory= 83

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Mina doesn't really pull as she is still not strong enough to pull me yet, but it helps so much :)
(pic taken by Rictus)

stanie

12-10-08, 06:39 PM

Shell,i dont know... i look at that and think its quite cruel... yet i spose others would say not. i have a rather stubborn basset and he tends to pull too. i pull him back once and say WAIT quite sternly and he is eventually responding and realising he shouldnt pull.

Good luck with samson, and hope u get him to stop the pulling. me, personally would not go down that hitler type collar.

i agree with you suzukibabe.
we have a bull terrier who is very strong. he will pull. i just keep pulling him back and making him wait.
my wife struggles with him at times, but i think she always has the lead tight. i dont, i have it loose, and as soon as i can see him moving off too rapid, i snatch the lead back, which gives it a little jolt.
if the lead is tight and you are trying to pull him/her back, they wont realise what theyre doing is wrong, theyre just going to pull more.
check out ceaser malone (sp) on the dog whisperer, hes the dogs ******** (no pun intended ;) )

stanie

12-10-08, 06:45 PM

have you tried the body harness thingy? would defo eleviate the hurting of his throat.

harness arent much good. in america, they (still?) do wieght pulling competitions with pits. the pit will pulla car! now, the pit wont have a halti or shoke chain on, they have a harness!!! so, putting a harness on your dog will make things harder, im sure.
we used a harness on our boy when we'd didnt realise.

Samnooshka

12-10-08, 07:03 PM

i
check out ceaser malone (sp) on the dog whisperer, hes the dogs ******** (no pun intended ;) )

Please don't try what he does at home... he is cruel and uses out dated methods.

We watched one episode and had to turn over when he started using an electric collar on a dog that was showing fear aggression!!! wtf!!! Guy needs his head checked!!!

Shellywoozle

12-10-08, 07:11 PM

Sam, I have ruled out the electric collar and the pinch collar. I am very open minded and when the dog handler told me about this collar and how it stops dogs pulling I figured 'great'. But when I saw the picture I had to create this post, I can see why they don't pull, too scared. I couldnt personally see how it was humane or kind but sometimes I am too soft with life and wanted another view.

I am going for the Halti but the one with the clip under the chin. I will let ya know how he goes with it! Will have to take him to the pet shop for a fitting.

kwak zzr

12-10-08, 07:15 PM

i had henry on the lead tonight he's a springer! i've been offer'd him for free as my neice and her fella have split and little 3month old henry needs a home.

Shellywoozle

12-10-08, 07:17 PM

i had henry on the lead tonight he's a springer! i've been offer'd him for free as my neice and her fella have split and little 3month old henry needs a home.

Split? Ohhhh :( You having him? New play mate for Samson :) Remember what we discussed tho and the reasons for and against, think hard mate.

Don't ask me for advice about dogs tho LOL, I can tell ya what not to do.

Oh and I seen the size of Henry ! He is not really that big is he LOL, Sam was good when he was a pup

Samnooshka

12-10-08, 07:18 PM

i had henry on the lead tonight he's a springer! i've been offer'd him for free as my neice and her fella have split and little 3month old henry needs a home.

Awww, poor little lad :) get some pics up on here, i'd love to see him :)

Are you going to keep him?

Split ups are the main reason usually... we get a lot of young dogs in rescue because of this... or the owners become preggers so the dog has to go :rolleyes::confused:

kwak zzr

12-10-08, 07:19 PM

Split? Ohhhh :( You having him? New play mate for Samson :) Remember what we discussed tho and the reasons for and against, think hard mate.

Don't ask me for advice about dogs tho LOL, I can tell ya what not to do.

Oh and I seen the size of Henry ! He is not really that big is he LOL, Sam was good when he was a pup

well i spent about an hour with him and he's a foooookin idiot!!! he and samson could wear each other out on the chase.

Shellywoozle

12-10-08, 07:21 PM

well i spent about an hour with him and he's a foooookin idiot!!! he and samson could wear each other out on the chase.

Great idea, you can pimp ya dog out to me LOL. Serious tho Sam is loony with puppied, goes for their legs and they jump over him, then he rolls about on the floor and does it all again. He is hilarious.

Bring Henry and kids over they would love it ! Sarah is invited too LOL ha ha ha

kwak zzr

12-10-08, 07:31 PM

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kwak zzr

12-10-08, 07:32 PM

oooo my mums foot is on the org! yayy! she was dog sitting:)

Shellywoozle

12-10-08, 07:33 PM

He looks like Sam did at his age

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Samnooshka

12-10-08, 07:34 PM

Awww he's a sweetie :) If you need any advice just shout :)

kwak zzr

12-10-08, 07:36 PM

i do need some advice samnooshka, i need one of those cool avatar pics doing of my bike lol :)

Samnooshka

12-10-08, 07:40 PM

i do need some advice samnooshka, i need one of those cool avatar pics doing of my bike lol :)

LOL LOL send me a pic... and when i get 5 i'll sort it out for you ;)

But seriously, if you need advice regarding dog stuff, then just shout, the amount we went through with Lupo, plus the training courses i did i'd like to help :)

Same goes for you Shell :)

Shellywoozle

12-10-08, 07:42 PM

LOL LOL send me a pic... and when i get 5 i'll sort it out for you ;)

But seriously, if you need advice regarding dog stuff, then just shout, the amount we went through with Lupo, plus the training courses i did i'd like to help :)

Same goes for you Shell :)

Thanx Sam I will give you a PM, I will get this Halti lead then PM you if I have issues. Your a star appreciate it xx

Blue_SV650S

12-10-08, 08:51 PM

Not read all replies (and at 6 pages I am not intending to catch up! :lol:)

But that collar looks hideously painful :shock:

Anyway, for obedience my dad used a 'spray' collar ... basically it is a little device that has its own collar (i.e. you use your normal one and this one just raps around the neck).

It has a little remote control key bob that when your dog is being naughty, you give it a quick press and it sprays out some sort of liquid (think it is citrus). Not sure what it is, but it is harmless, but the dog really won't like the sound, the sense or the smell ...

As long as it is used appropriately, has them tamed in no time!! 8)

I thought chopping their goolies off calmed dogs down anyway?? :scratch:

EDIT: Dunno exactly which one my daddy has for his doggy, but its this sort of idea http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-Multivet-Spray-Commander-Spray-Collar-Dog-Training_W0QQitemZ160291725898QQ

{snip}
• When your dog is too distracted to obey a command or displays bad behaviour, you use the handheld remote control dog training device to trigger the spray collar.
• A harmless spray is released; it interrupts the dog's inappropriate actions and makes him receptive to your command.
• It offers a surprise stimulus that targets your dog's heightened senses: He hears it, feels it, sees it and smells it.
• He begins to associate his inappropriate behaviours with receiving a spray. Through repetition association and conditioning, the unacceptable behaviour is soon eliminated.

{unsnip}

Saralou313

12-10-08, 10:40 PM

I've seen those spray collars before, I think they work just with water too.

Hope you manage to sort it! :)

21QUEST

13-10-08, 12:13 AM

Shellywoozle, I can't offer any advice really but will say, hope you find a solution :). I would have offered to help out if you were closer though ;)

harness arent much good. in america, they (still?) do wieght pulling competitions with pits. the pit will pulla car! now, the pit wont have a halti or shoke chain on, they have a harness!!! so, putting a harness on your dog will make things harder, im sure.
we used a harness on our boy when we'd didnt realise.Sorry but has to be said. Why do people write so much rubbish on the internet ?

Ben

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13-10-08, 05:45 AM

a normal choke chain is more humane and works well

Harnesses usually stop them tugging as thier front paws come off the ground when they do tug...

hope you get him sorted

Samnooshka

13-10-08, 06:40 AM

a normal choke chain is more humane and works well

Harnesses usually stop them tugging as thier front paws come off the ground when they do tug...

hope you get him sorted

It all depends what harness. Most walking harnesses don't actually do much for bigger dogs to stop them pulling as they enable them to put more weight behind the harness and lean into it. You can get some harnesses that when they pull into them the actually tighten up around the chest making it harder to breath until they stop pulling, i think they are made by the same company that make the halti.

We make harnesses for a lot of different dog activities and weight pull is one of them and one of Lupo's fave things to do:
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For me personally i don't use a harness when walking them, i use a half check collar, a halti for bigger dogs, and a walking belt so if they do still pull i can get my body weight behind the lead and the dog pulls through the belt not through my shouldeer hence saving my back. It also means that if they are too strong... some dogs i know can pull well over 1800lb! if the lead slips i know they are still attached to me... Mina even though she is just a pup, when she wants to go, she will go and she is getting very strong very quickly.

I will only use a harness if they are going to be working so they know the difference between a walk in the park where i want them at my side, to when they are racing and i want them to pull out front so never ask them to heel when at a rally/weight pull event.

13-10-08, 07:13 AM

You could just sign him up to Dog Borstal and then we can all see him on telly.

Dave20046

13-10-08, 07:48 AM

My friend did that-they make you look like willys!

Samnooshka

13-10-08, 07:53 AM

My friend did that-they make you look like willys!

It makes me mad sometimes as some of the people on there are such idiots that i dont know why they have dogs??

"oooh my dog is aggressive to other dogs and has no recall... i know i'll let it off lead in the park!!!" WTF???? Its always a worry when the dog is smarter than the owner :shock::rolleyes:

21QUEST

13-10-08, 08:04 AM

It makes me mad sometimes as some of the people on there are such idiots that i dont know why they have dogs??

"oooh my dog is aggressive to other dogs and has no recall... i know i'll let it off lead in the park!!!" WTF???? Its always a worry when the dog is smarter than the owner :shock::rolleyes:
Now that made me laugh but sadly, what you have said is true.

Ben

Dave20046

13-10-08, 08:25 AM

It makes me mad sometimes as some of the people on there are such idiots that i dont know why they have dogs??

"oooh my dog is aggressive to other dogs and has no recall... i know i'll let it off lead in the park!!!" WTF???? Its always a worry when the dog is smarter than the owner :shock::rolleyes:
:p
I've never actually watched, my mates mum was just telling me. Anyway it's the episode with 'jimmy-choo'(:rolleyes:) if you can remember it.

mrs mousetrapper

13-10-08, 09:04 AM

I know it's probably going to sound silly but do you make hime wait for his food?

My dog has always been very strong willed (collie/jack russel cross we think!) and used to pull terribly when wallking but then I saw Victoria Stillwell (I think that's her name!) use the 'wait' technique when feeding to enforce the idea that you are in charge and not the dog!

It's a small thing but he now waits for my command to eat his food, plus if he tries to go for it before I have said so I can call him away from the food and wait again.
It's really helped with the walking as he is much better behaved although still won't let him off as never seemed to master the 'come back' command!!

Sorry for the long post but I thought it might help!

RichT

13-10-08, 09:21 AM

An ex of mine (a dog trainer) used pinch collars on her 3 Old English Sheepdogs. They're ok on larger dogs, but not on a Springer... agree they look frickin evil though.

kwak zzr

13-10-08, 10:11 AM

You could just sign him up to Dog Borstal and then we can all see him on telly.

LMAO yayy! samson needs doggie borstal :)

SuzukiNess

13-10-08, 12:47 PM

harness arent much good. in america, they (still?) do wieght pulling competitions with pits. the pit will pulla car! now, the pit wont have a halti or shoke chain on, they have a harness!!! so, putting a harness on your dog will make things harder, im sure.
we used a harness on our boy when we'd didnt realise.

yeah, i've subsequently read that they dont help with the pulling at all.. probably make it worse actually - so stupid suggestion from my part (was just thinking bout poor Sam's wee throat getting sore :( )

<--- that jumping monkey doing anybody else's head in???

yorkie_chris

13-10-08, 02:01 PM

Yes, I've never liked hip hop at all.

Them collars look evil, I might get one to hang on the wall to make visitors uneasy...

SuzukiNess

13-10-08, 03:00 PM

Its boing boing

Shellywoozle

13-10-08, 05:27 PM

Heyyy I found a way to make Sam stop 'everything' .... pictures to follow. All I can say is Sam likes the taste of my blood and there was alot, he wouldnt leave my side and kept jumping up me, I am covered in mud and blood LOL. Bloomin hound ! He even ignored all other dogs for the taste of my blood LOL

I was playing with Sam when this happened ......................

Shellywoozle

13-10-08, 05:28 PM

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the small lumps on the finger tip is the flesh popping out my skin, the other finger has the nail split with the finger tip to match split under. I didn't know if it was bleeding, me or the dog, both my hands were covered in blood (and yes I bite my nails they are disgusting).

kwak zzr

13-10-08, 05:29 PM

awwww what happened hun?

Shellywoozle

13-10-08, 05:50 PM

An ex of mine (a dog trainer) used pinch collars on her 3 Old English Sheepdogs. They're ok on larger dogs, but not on a Springer... agree they look frickin evil though.

Yeah funny how a dog handler told me about these collars. Maybe they taught harder tecniques.

Suzuki Babe I quiet like the boing boing avator :) he he he

SuzukiNess

13-10-08, 08:05 PM

eeek that looks really painful...

winnie the pooh plasters work best :)

(if of course it dont need hospital visit!!!:shock:)

Shellywoozle

13-10-08, 08:14 PM

eeek that looks really painful...

winnie the pooh plasters work best :)

(if of course it dont need hospital visit!!!:shock:)

I may be being a girl but one finger is still bleeding and Sams tooth went through my nail and skin underneath, don't throw the ball when the dog is coming to get it. Hand going forward at speed and dogs teeth doing the same ain't good.

kwak zzr

13-10-08, 08:16 PM

its pointless telling her to go to the doctors/hospital because she wont go.

Blue_SV650S

13-10-08, 08:16 PM

Sams tooth went through my nail and skin underneath

:shock: Now that fecking hurts!! :eek:

:smt058

Samnooshka

13-10-08, 08:16 PM

Ouch ouch ouch!!!

Shellywoozle

13-10-08, 08:21 PM

:shock: Now that fecking hurts!! :eek:

:smt058

I agree !!

Sam was so funny, there was so much blood straight away, and he stopped in this tracks to lick my fingers. His little chin was covered and I thought it was him. Bless thy are so good when you want you least expect.

Blue_SV650S

13-10-08, 08:25 PM

I agree !!

Sam was so funny, there was so much blood straight away, and he stopped in this tracks to lick my fingers. His little chin was covered and I thought it was him. Bless thy are so good when you want you least expect.

If eever a saying has been so apt "Never bite the hand that feeds you" ... and if you do, apologise fecking quickly!!! ... :lol:

dizzyblonde

13-10-08, 08:26 PM

I may be being a girl but one finger is still bleeding and Sams tooth went through my nail and skin underneath, don't throw the ball when the dog is coming to get it. Hand going forward at speed and dogs teeth doing the same ain't good.

hes got no manners has he, he should be sat waiting for you to throw it, not launching his teeth at your hands shell

MrsMousetrapper has a point with the wait command for feeding times. It also works for play time too. I use it with Bob. He has to wait for dinner, balls, treats, but treats hes still a bit eager, so I snatch it away, and say 'nice' and he remembers and takes it from me a bit slower.
Remember the 'leave' one I told you about with the rattle bottle, I use it playing too.
Footballs are brought to me but Bob doesn't like to give them over, so i say 'leave' and he drops it, before I throw it, I say 'wait' and he sits down, then I throw it and he chases it, but never launches forward for it

Shellywoozle

13-10-08, 08:27 PM

i had been playing an hour or so and had even videod him sitting and waiting til I told him to fetch. I was throwing quickly as some horrid dog was coming on the field and Sam got a bit excited as i didn't tell him to do anything, not his fault. Typical LOL

stevie

13-10-08, 08:32 PM

This may sound really daft, and it took me some time to get my head round but try this: Get a longish lead(attached to samson), walk on as usual, and when he starts to pull, keeping hold of your end, let the lead go loose and walk the other way calling him. When he gets to you walk in the opposite direction, do this for a few more times then see if he will walk to heal,praise him lots when he gets it right. This pulling like a little steam train is self rewarding as he gets to where he wants to go. You can also try this as well: If when you go out on a walk and samson starts to pull just stop,call him to heal and get him to sit and wait, either walk backwards or turn round and walk back for a dozen paces . He will soon get the message that pulling won't get him to where he wants to be any quicker. You will have to repeat this several times on each walk , be consistent and it will work.
I have three dogs who will still try to pull if given half a chance, they think that if they get away with it once then that is the new way to do it!
P.S. I am just relaying what my partner Jan has suggested as she is the doggie trainer in our house and she has very bad back troubles which means she can't allow the dogs to pull at all.
Hope this helps.:smt026
Our nutty mutts can be seen in one of my albums.

Shellywoozle

13-10-08, 08:35 PM

Thanks Stevie, I wil give a go when I can hold the lead LOL. What everyone says makes sense, by the time I finished he will be the ideal doggy :)

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Ouch !! Tooth mark LOL awwww (and it's not dirty nails it's blood and it hurts too mush to clean at the mo) well pointless one is still bleeding

kwak zzr

13-10-08, 08:54 PM

awwww that looks nasty hun :(

Samnooshka

13-10-08, 09:11 PM

oooh as i said above! Ouchie!! :(

Paws

13-10-08, 09:14 PM

oowwwwwww

Shellywoozle

13-10-08, 09:14 PM

oowwwwwww

Wanna swap Sam and Matt now? Matts love bites don't hurt so much (no that I know !!)

stevie

13-10-08, 09:17 PM

Ooo ouch and double ouch!!!!

Paws

13-10-08, 09:18 PM

Wanna swap Sam and Matt now? Matts love bites don't hurt so much (no that I know !!)

pmsl, i was gonna say chick :o;), and love bites??? how old do you think us two are! lol hes in me bad books-went for a drinking session with my dad and his army mates, came home rather tipsy and snored all night :smt015:smt015...no peaceful night for me! so ys id still swop him for sammy as i could boot him out when he snored lol