bigger bike

[jimmy__riddle]

why is it once youve ridden a bigger bike, you feel like you have to have one?

I rode my friends rsv ('02) the other day and now i want one. i even went into a dealers to look at some mk2s and now im finding myself looking for ways to get one! damn these eyes bigger than my wallet!

[aarond]

yep i had that then went on to buy a tl!!

[G]

Its the extra power, its addictive.

Once your used to a bike, you have squeezed every last bit out of it and seen what it has to offer...........so when you try something that shocks you and you were no where near its abilities then you have to have it.....thats what happened to me anyway.

I was getting fed up of hammering the SV everywhere, lack of top end and jitteryness at speed in corners.

Tried a 600ss and they were achieving SV to end in 3rd gear at 7000rpm and it hadnt started pulling properlly yet, and going around corners that you would normally be twitching around hard on the gas you were doing with an extra 20mph and not pushing it.

I always want that little bit more that I dont have.

[Blue_SV650S]

Changes are most ppl are nowhere near the limits of the SV - let alone anything 'bigger' ;)

[the_lone_wolf]

i went smaller and lighter with less power, much more fun than some straight line plastic missile...

plus i heard that fairings are for homosexuals:eek:

[muffles]

i went smaller and lighter with less power, much more fun than some straight line plastic missile...

plus i heard that fairings are for homosexuals:eek:

Blue SV650 Sport : Beowulf can + Twin HIDs + LEDs all round + Stebel Nautilus

You still own a fully faired bike you nut! :p

[fatneck]

I took out the 2008 Fireblade on Tuesday, what an incredibly awesome machine that is. I finally understand what 'cornering on rails' means, yet so composed and blindingly quick at the same time.

I have to have one!

[Jase22]

I don't think it's so much about the speed, as riding a better bike to me made my SV feel lacking when I got back on it. While Sv's are spot on for te job they do, once you've been spoiled with very good suspension and very good brakes (and possibly a bit more power if that's your bag) it's difficult not to want to change bikes.

[krhall]

I have a CBR-rr now, but I was never even close to the SV's limit - ever! I have just always wanted a SS and the opportunity came up so I did it. I only bought it coz I'm a tart.

That said there are lots of things I really miss about the SV, lots, but I also think my dry weather driving is much better on the CBR.

The CBR is also more comfy for me being a short ar$e than the SV, it is less wristy.......I guess it come down to how much you want one. If I had the money I would have my old SV too, especially for when I want to wake the neighbours up.

[454697819]

cause this one makes my balls look bigger

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hth

[Daimo]

Thing about smaller bikes is the gearbox. Smaller bikes are much more fun I think. Your using the gearbox a lot more as the gears are so much shorter and the powers much less. When your on a bigger bike, it takes more to get it wound up, your into license loosing speeds by the time your in 3rd gear.

I do like the fact you can chuck a smaller bike round a few bends, 3rd, 4th 5th,4th 3rd, back into the next corner, and so on… Where as a bigger bike, well you just pin the throttle in any gear and off it goes.

Only downer is that the revs end up higher in top gear at a much slower speed.

I can see the fascination with 250 twins, and IL4 400cc bikes.

[the_lone_wolf]

You still own a fully faired bike you nut! :p

everyone's a little gay...


some are gayer than others however, especially the GSXR riders, bunch of sausage suckers by all accounts;)

[dizzyblonde]

Dunno keep wanting to get the Raptor out and play on it, but never have yet. One minute I want an Xtra, the next i don't fancy a bigger bike. Think its a case of everybody always wants to something they haven't got. Theres nowt wrong with the one they've got, theres just summat bigger, better, faster, more shining at them for a brief moment, and ya get sucked in...

But...if i had an Xtra Raptor (obviously it wouldn't do what numbers Tuono does) but it would make me look like one mean, hard, mutha...mwahahaha

[Biker Biggles]

Ive got a ZX9R and an SV.Most days I ride the SV as its more satisfying to ride on conjested real roads in overcrowded South East England.Its a far better bike in London for obvious reasons.(SV650N)
The ZX9R gets used for longer distances and is great at that.It will do 60 MPG at legalish speeds,and will accelerate to any speed in any gear whenever you want and is comfortable to ride all day.
Would I buy a new big sportsbike?No.Ultimately too frustrating for road riding.

[maviczap]

Well I've read the posts and can see the temptation in wanting a bigger bike, more power acceleration. I've had the bigger faster bikes, Guzzi Spada & GSX750 after that. But I always enjoyed my smaller lightweight bikes around 500 - 650cc size. Plus I love v twins so the SV was the ideal choice.

But I have a colleague at work who only passed his test in August and despite advice from several of us, went out and bought a 1200 Bandit. No of us can figure out why, he rides like an old woman, so why not buy a mid range bike?

[aarond]

But I have a colleague at work who only passed his test in August and despite advice from several of us, went out and bought a 1200 Bandit. No of us can figure out why, he rides like an old woman, so why not buy a mid range bike?

because he wanted it it may not be ideal but he wanted it and as some one once said to me biking is all about fun:p:p and the smile:D!

[maviczap]

Plenty of 600 - 650 Bandits about, just as must fun as a 1200 :-)

[aarond]

yeah but if he wanted the bike bike even just to say he had it fair play to him i certainly wouldn't have gone out and bought the 1200 tho:rolleyes:

[maviczap]

Maybe he just wanted something we couldn't take the **** out of:-)

Unlike the 1970's leathers he wore only once which were a very gay blue!

[Jackhammer]

just made the upgrade to a grand in the hand - and i must say i am loving the power and the torque - well the latter depends upon the bike you choose i am sure ..... My Falco Kicks out 70lb/ft from low down the range and that really does provide face peeling acceleration :D

as stated above the power is addictive - however i question whether its necessary. The devil on my shoulders is slapping me up-side my head right now saying "of course it is you daft bu&&er - bosh" :-)

but i probably should have experimented with some 600's. The main difference to me is preferring the size of the bike (am 6ft 2" and thought i looked daft on my SV - am all arms and legs you see - like Jambo LOL) which is probably why i didn't spend long considering the different Sport 6's that are out there (too small) .... Having to not use the gear-box so much is nice too - lazy i know - but nice none the less - 3rd Gear hard going does increase you TEB (Time exposed to Banning) however a quick blip deep into 3-figures is just too much damn fun to resist (a QUICK blip only mind)

and BlueSV is 100% - you only need to watch his YouTube vids of his track-day laps from Silverstone to understand what he means.

So after all is said and done - if you want one and can afford to insure one - go for it :-) -

Well thats my two-peneth HTH :rolleyes:

[muffles]

everyone's a little gay...


some are gayer than others however, especially the GSXR riders, bunch of sausage suckers by all accounts;)

:smt043

Right - let's get 'im lads!!

[ThEGr33k]

i went smaller and lighter with less power, much more fun than some straight line plastic missile...


Thats why I went for the 1000cc V-2 its all about going aroung the coners and getting out of them, the streight lines just arnt as fun imo. :cool:

I took out the 2008 Fireblade on Tuesday, what an incredibly awesome machine that is. I finally understand what 'cornering on rails' means, yet so composed and blindingly quick at the same time.

I have to have one!

TBH if you sort the suspension any bike can ride like that ;)

After a new shock mine is WOW. :cool:

:smt043

Right - let's get 'im lads!!

Got to agree with him :jocolor:

[Stig]

Not me. I'm happy with the SV although I have been through the supersports route.

I took Messie's RSVR out. Got rid of her chicken strips for her, brought it back and decided I'd kill myself if I owned it.

[the_lone_wolf]

Right - let's get 'im lads!!

i'm flattered but straight...

sorry...


;)

[custard]

whilst i enjoy caning the cr@p out my 600 hornet, my sv 1000 is just sublime. i went from a "cant see the point in a thou" to not looking back once i had one.
I quite like not feeling the need to cane it, bit of a power trip in a way i suppose. quite enjoy not having to tap dance through the gear box all the time.

[jimmy__riddle]

whilst i enjoy caning the cr@p out my 600 hornet, my sv 1000 is just sublime. i went from a "cant see the point in a thou" to not looking back once i had one.
I quite like not feeling the need to cane it, bit of a power trip in a way i suppose. quite enjoy not having to tap dance through the gear box all the time.

i think thats what appeals to me, going from a 750 IL4 to a 1000v2, having the oomph out of the corners without having the bike screaming was very nice

[Jase22]

having the oomph out of the corners without having the bike screaming

Where's the fun in that ;)

[muffles]

i'm flattered but straight...

sorry...


;)

Thought you said you were a little gay? Lol :p

[the_lone_wolf]

Thought you said you were a little gay? Lol :p

i am, just obviously not as much as a GSXR owner;):p

[northwind]

everyone's a little gay...

Yeah, but most of us are at least a little straight :D

[Stig]

Where's the fun in that ;)

I'd rather come out of a corner with a roar than a whine.

[Dangerous Dave]

I'd rather come out of a corner with a roar than a whine.
+ 1

[Lou M]

I've got a Speed Triple, and I just love it. Since I passed my test I tended to ride like an old woman, but from day one with the Sp Trip I just gelled with it.
Can't explain it. I now had the power and urge to go for overtakes that I would never have dared before, that feeling after is just amazing.
I don't think I'll ever go back to a smaller engine.

Lou

[phil24_7]

My sv has excellent suspension and brakes as they've been upgraded. The only thing it is lacking is top end but I can get on the power earlier and harder than my mate on his ss600 so it's swings and roundabouts really.

I will be getting an '07 cbr600-rr in the near future and keeping the sv so I will have the best of both worlds!

[phil24_7]

Also like the rsv-r factory but it's just to uncompromising for me and I know I'd kill myself on a blade!

[ThEGr33k]

Also like the rsv-r factory but it's just to uncompromising for me and I know I'd kill myself on a blade!


Thats why I went for the Falco. Easier to ride fast (once shocker is sorted) and more comfortable :D

[Jase22]

I'd rather come out of a corner with a roar than a whine.

I prefer to call it a "scream". :p

[yorkie_chris]

No it's a whinge. Why didn't you get a triple? :-P

[Jase22]

Ha ha. Mainly cos I can't afford a triple, but mine is lighter and handles like a little beaut so not all bad. It looks like a triple...;)

[yorkie_chris]

No it doesn't it looks like you crashed a TT600 :-P

[Jase22]

How dare you??? ;)

What about your bike looking like it's been crashed though :D

[yorkie_chris]

That's because it has. Repeatedly.

[Jase22]

Touché! Well I like my bike anyway :p

[finally found that e with an accent!]

[phil24_7]

Thats why I went for the Falco. Easier to ride fast (once shocker is sorted) and more comfortable :D

The RSV-R is a piece of pi$$ to ride fast but is a royal pain to ride at anything less than 100%!!

[Dangerous Dave]

The RSV-R is a piece of pi$$ to ride fast but is a royal pain to ride at anything less than 100%!!
I liked the original RSV, I found it comfortable at slow and fast riding and it suited me better ergonomically than the later model.





Shh.... don't tell Gr33k but I owned a RSV Mille SP for a year!

[phil24_7]

Ha ha!!

[ThEGr33k]

I liked the original RSV, I found it comfortable at slow and fast riding and it suited me better ergonomically than the later model.





Shh.... don't tell Gr33k but I owned a RSV Mille SP for a year!


Why you get rid?

[Sean_C]

I'd like a bigger engine in my bike ;-)

Say, an 800, that'd be nice :p

[Dangerous Dave]

Say, an 800, that'd be nice :p
Hands off!!! :smt065

[Sean_C]

:smt019

[yorkie_chris]

Motor like that makes no sense. For price of parts it'd be easier to fit TL motor, including buying an AC TIG set to do the frame welding! Only problem with that is you'd have to use long forks to avoid battering mudguard into rad, and to get geometry right the tail would be stupidly high.

Parts prices like £1500 for the falicon crank and rods, and the billet barrels priced as £ask!

[Dangerous Dave]

Why you get rid?
The cost of everything, parts were a rip off and hard to get within 6 months, and reliability. Don't get me wrong the engine was good, but the electrics were crap and the ECU dumped itself three times. At the time I was a little more involved at work and coming home every now and again to try and fix a bike every time was ridiculous.

Motor like that makes no sense. For price of parts it'd be easier to fit TL motor, including buying an AC TIG set to do the frame welding! Only problem with that is you'd have to use long forks to avoid battering mudguard into rad, and to get geometry right the tail would be stupidly high.

Parts prices like £1500 for the falicon crank and rods, and the billet barrels priced as £ask!
True, fun to ride though....

[yorkie_chris]

Indeed. Unless someone else pays JHS to build a motor, then sells it on for a fraction of the build price :-P

[Dangerous Dave]

Unless someone else pays JHS to build a motor, then sells it on for a fraction of the build price :-P
:smt065 Not you as well!

[yorkie_chris]

Lol no I can't find an idiot to send JHS a blank cheque and a copy of their catalogue with a circle round the whole "engine" section :-D

[ThEGr33k]

The cost of everything, parts were a rip off and hard to get within 6 months, and reliability. Don't get me wrong the engine was good, but the electrics were crap and the ECU dumped itself three times. At the time I was a little more involved at work and coming home every now and again to try and fix a bike every time was ridiculous.





Not really had any issues as yet fortunatly. Ebay is your friend. :) Also the parts are easier to find since the take over. But fair enough :cool:

[Dangerous Dave]

Not really had any issues as yet fortunatly. Ebay is your friend. :) Also the parts are easier to find since the take over. But fair enough :cool:
Yeah, but this was a few years back now (2000 I think).

[ThEGr33k]

Yeah, but this was a few years back now (2000 I think).


Aye I thought it might be. One second, you said SP I just realised! Damn it man. You should have tuned that bad lad!!! Standard apparently they arnt as powerful/much more powerful than the stock long stroke engine but if you could make it rev like a WSB engine then DANG! 145+bhp at the wheel :cool:

[yorkie_chris]

And rebuilding it every week :-P

[Dangerous Dave]

Yes, an SP!

I had the full race exhaust on it and the chip, stock exhaust really strangled it and an Italian gentleman told me it wasn't designed or expected to run on the standard exhaust.

[ThEGr33k]

And rebuilding it every week :-P


Naaa back in those days they wernt pushed like they were towards the end of the WSB days. back then they were about 160bhp at the wheel I believe and the 999 last year was 195bhp and rev'd to about 15K rpm!

The SP's had 98x66mm bore and stroke (standard is 97x67.5mm) to allow it to rev and all the cams and drive train was upgraded to rev higher. The SP road bikes were the full on WSB spec engine, cosworth bling so should be able to run higher revs resonably hapily. :cool:

Yes, an SP!

I had the full race exhaust on it and the chip, stock exhaust really strangled it and an Italian gentleman told me it wasn't designed or expected to run on the standard exhaust.


No indeed not. Any idea what it was putting out? I guess back then there wernt as many Dyno's available?

[Dangerous Dave]

Any idea what it was putting out?
I think it was mid-high 150 (they made mid 140 standard IIRC), but the system helped with the midrange and took away a huge flat spot (which you didn't know was there until you fitted the system as filled your pants).

[ThEGr33k]

I think it was mid-high 150 (they made mid 140 standard IIRC), but the system helped with the midrange and took away a huge flat spot (which you didn't know was there until you fitted the system as filled your pants).


Yes most of the V990's suffer with this. Some new end cans and a Eprom has solved mine now. :) Not had it dyno'd since but you can see it stock on the dyno in my sig.

How does the 800 compair (from memory) to the SP?

[Dangerous Dave]

How does the 800 compair (from memory) to the SP?
The 800 is easier to flick from side to side, but then the SV is about 20-25kg lighter (I should way the 800 really). The midrange is not as strong as the SP, but there is no substitute for cubes. Handling wise, well the isn't much in it to be honest as both bikes were set up for my riding style (front end rider).

If I could walk into a shop and buy either of the two....

:-k

...the SP would get the first deposit for a non-emotionally attached bike.

The 800 is worth more to me than any other bike, not in money, we have an emotional attachment as I have spent years in building the bike around me.

[ThEGr33k]

The 800 is easier to flick from side to side, but then the SV is about 20-25kg lighter (I should way the 800 really). The midrange is not as strong as the SP, but there is no substitute for cubes. Handling wise, well the isn't much in it to be honest as both bikes were set up for my riding style (front end rider).

If I could walk into a shop and buy either of the two....

:-k

...the SP would get the first deposit for a non-emotionally attached bike.

The 800 is worth more to me than any other bike, not in money, we have an emotional attachment as I have spent years in building the bike around me.


Aye thats fair enough. :)

I need to make the front a bit softer (softer springs) to make it feel better because Im more a front end rider too.

Its a shame bikes when you buy them arnt setup for you (spring weights etc), not that that would help me... but still would be good.

[yorkie_chris]

What's a front end rider then?

[Dangerous Dave]

What's a front end rider then?
As long as the front is planted who cares where the rear is. I have the bikes jacked up at the rear with more weight ion the front, I like the front to feel planted and offer loads of feed back.

[ThEGr33k]

What's a front end rider then?


People that like to push the front end in corner's, some people prefer to get the weight on the back wheel. At least thats what it means to me.

As long as the front is planted who cares where the rear is. I have the bikes jacked up at the rear with more weight ion the front, I like the front to feel planted and offer loads of feed back.

Thats a better explanation than mine. :)