View Full Version : Can't remember anything so shocking and sick
This evil ******* murdered his baby daughter. 22 years is not enough.
WARNING. THIS LINK IS NOT PLEASANT READING. EVIL F*CKING B&STARD
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/south_yorkshire/7688929.stm
can i suggest a warning with that link. thats f*****g horrific. my god.
Alpinestarhero
24-10-08, 01:10 PM
awefull. For some people, they should bring back the death penalty. Makes me think about my little neice, and what if any harm came to her? Not from my brother or my sister-in-law or anything like that...but you know, other people and stuff
:(
Warthog
24-10-08, 01:10 PM
People like that should just get hanged, don't use tax payers money to give them B&B for the rest of their life.
ThEGr33k
24-10-08, 01:21 PM
I saw it on the news. Trully horrific!!! Sounds like the mother was thick as mince but im still supprised none of her "motherly" instincts didnt kick in and she didnt protect the child.
He should be hung. Lets hope he tops himself.
Drew Carey
24-10-08, 01:34 PM
Saw this on BBC earlier. I hope he gets a lifetime of punishment handed to him by his fellow inmates. I agree with the sentiment of hanging......but would rather add hung, drawn and quartered to the equation for people like this. I guarantee a few crims would think twice if they saw someones guts hanging from the tower. Would make a good attraction in london too!!!!
richie95
24-10-08, 01:34 PM
some people do not deserve the life they have been given... his life in prison will be bad... alas not as bad as the poor victim... but bad...
Luckypants
24-10-08, 01:38 PM
I cannot believe that any human can be so cruel to his own offspring. I am not a religious person, but I do believe there is evil in this world. This scumbag is evil. IMO evil should be eradicated.
plowsie
24-10-08, 01:58 PM
People like that should just get hanged, don't use tax payers money to give them B&B for the rest of their life.
I don't think that solves the suffer of others, I think torture for many years, then into a prison where he will not be treated nicely for such a thing.
Given that we don't have the death penalty in this county, 22 years does sound quite long to me, for this country & sentences you hear about. Assuming, & I believe this to be the case that it is min. off 22 years & not 50% off for good behaviour etc.
Evil, maybe, maybe not. Just a result of his experiences & her being in the bottom 1% for inteligence.
Speedy Claire
24-10-08, 02:12 PM
Capital punishment should, in my opinion, be reintroduced for cases like this. Does that article also state that this poor little girl was found to be seriously malnourished and dehydrated? This animal who tortured and killed her will more than likely be out of prison by the time he reaches 45.... he will be free to have further children. Both him and the childs mother should be sterillised. The mother should also have faced a stiffer punishment.. she stood by and allowed her daughter to be tortured, to be deprived of food and water and ultimately to be killed at the hands of that evil, sick *******.
ThEGr33k
24-10-08, 02:14 PM
A poor upbringing doesnt help but some things can only be evil. How can you not know that is WRONG!? Even if you were seeing red going all bezerk you would know and at worst should be remosful but he apparently wasnt even bothered. :-?
That's terrible, the only story I can think of as bad as that one was that couple that 'babysat' children and the bloke abused the kids whilst the wife took pictures / films. Sickos.
He looks like Brad Pitt's character in Kalifornia. Kind of deranged. :smt108
Dappa D
24-10-08, 02:21 PM
Given that we don't have the death penalty in this county, 22 years does sound quite long to me, for this country & sentences you hear about. Assuming, & I believe this to be the case that it is min. off 22 years & not 50% off for good behaviour etc.
Evil, maybe, maybe not. Just a result of his experiences & her being in the bottom 1% for inteligence.
a result of his experiences?? sorry stu i agree with you on most things in this forum...however.....i dont want to give a hard luck story...we have all had experiences....some tougher than others....take my word i have had terrible experiences....
i have a 5 month old son...yes some times at 3/4/5 in the morning and hes screaming there is nothing i can do to comfort him no matter how or what i try...im frustrated....im angry...im tired....but this is MY son.....i love him...no matter what...if his mum p*sses me off....if life has thrown me a spanner....whatever is going on...id NEVER hurt my child....
this man...after his 22 yrs of hopefully being treated very badly by his inmates....should then die a very slow and painful death....
i for one can not understand it..........
Awful storey.
But being Englad the protestors will say "he deserves another chance in life" and the w4nker will be out in a few years.
Mind you, not that the 3 hot meals per day, gym, TV, family visits etc will exactly "hurt" him.
I can only hope he meets his real punishment once he gets inside, (via other convicts, and conveniently placed bars of soap on the floor).
Scum,
But hey, its england, anything goes it seems.
Ironically, we're all paying for the scum like this to live in a house, and have a child hence getting even more of our money.
Sickening. Poor little girl. Not a chance in life.
yorkie_chris
24-10-08, 02:35 PM
Give him a shovel, dig hole, bullet to back of head. Cheap and convenient.
I'm not for torturing people as some suggest, but there's no way he should ever be allowed to be free again and a lifetime in prison is expensive.
Can any jail term or any punishment for that matter really classify as justice for such an evil act? And I'm sorry but it is pure evil no question about it.
Just kill the sick b*****d and be rid of him.
missyburd
24-10-08, 02:38 PM
Both him and the childs mother should be sterillised.
+1. How the f*ck can people abuse the privilege of becoming a parent in such a brutal manner? Sickening or evil doesn't even begin to describe it :( That poor kid.
The only saving grace I can think of is that an end was put to all her suffering in the hands of these vile people, not fit to even be considered as parents.
You hear and read of so many children having to deal with parental abuse, so many cases, it's so f*cking wrong. People don't know what they've got, many folks would give anything for that chance to become a mum or dad, and then you get b*stards like this flaunting it! Why should he have the chance to father more kids, why would a mother sit by and let it happen, WHY THE HELL IS OUR SO CALLED JUSTICE SYSTEM SO $HITE!
Oh dear sorry, bit carried away, rant over... :oops:
yorkie_chris
24-10-08, 02:39 PM
In fact when it's put that way, sod whether it's right or wrong, I'd shoot him for sport.
jimmy__riddle
24-10-08, 02:39 PM
Give him a shovel, dig hole, bullet to back of head. Cheap and convenient.
I'm not for torturing people as some suggest, but there's no way he should ever be allowed to be free again and a lifetime in prison is expensive.
+1
i dont want to pay anything towards a sicko like that
Miss Alpinestarhero
24-10-08, 02:49 PM
:(
Thats an awful story. I stopped reading after hearing he broke her back...It beggars belief as to how disgusting and demented some people can be towards their offspring and loved ones. He should be stuck in an empty cell with a bucket, no window and left to rot. He wont "suffer" in prision. Prision has ended up being really cushy at the expense of us - the taxpayers.
They get a roof over their head, TV,playstation, hot food, a bed, warmth etc. They even earn trips out for "good behaviour" and fear (of the officers/police themselves) of breaching their human rights. People like him should be blooming stripped of their human rights!
The only saving grace I can think of is that an end was put to all her suffering in the hands of these vile people, not fit to even be considered as parents
I totally agree.
Maria
MiniMatt
24-10-08, 02:55 PM
Oh we're back on the mutilate and butcher offenders train again. How very enlightened.
Two issues here. Is this particular cretin a horrific individual who should never see the light of day again? You've got no arguments from me on that one. Further more - let's add a point of clarification here. I do feel a little silly pointing out to a lawyer who states "22 years is not enough", that this person HAS NOT been given a 22 year sentence. He's been given a life sentence. That's the law. As you know, under exceptional circumstances those with life sentences may be considered for release from prison. The judge has stated that in this case no consideration whatsoever can be given to exceptional circumstances until at least 22 years have passed. It doesn't mean he's out in 22 years, in all likelihood he'll spend the rest of his life in prison - which is the exact sentence the judge has given. Think Brady and Hindley - they got a life sentence for child murder too.
As for mutilation, butchery, execution, hunting for sport - I'm not going through this argument again, I'm sure you'll find something in the sig file below. But for people who are on their high horse about how evil this guy is, you good people sure are thinking up some horrific ways to dismember and execute a human being.
yorkie_chris
24-10-08, 02:58 PM
As for mutilation, butchery, execution, hunting for sport - I'm not going through this argument again, I'm sure you'll find something in the sig file below. But for people who are on their high horse about how evil this guy is, you good people sure are thinking up some horrific ways to dismember and execute a human being.
Worthy of that title?
As for mutilation, butchery, execution, hunting for sport - I'm not going through this argument again, I'm sure you'll find something in the sig file below. But for people who are on their high horse about how evil this guy is, you good people sure are thinking up some horrific ways to dismember and execute a human being.
i dont think people are genuinely going to mutilate, kill for sport these sick people. its their way of getting their point across as to how angry they feel towards said "criminal", so talk of people getting on high horses seems a bit ironic to me
Dappa D
24-10-08, 03:05 PM
But for people who are on their high horse about how evil this guy is, you good people sure are thinking up some horrific ways to dismember and execute a human being.
he killed his daughter.........a human being who didnt choose to come into this world....a human being who soley looked at this man and the mother as her protectors/providers....the source of food, comfort, love, compassion etc etc.....
he killed her...brutally....
****ing right im on my high horse.......
Warthog
24-10-08, 03:37 PM
Oh we're back on the mutilate and butcher offenders train again. How very enlightened.
Two issues here. Is this particular cretin a horrific individual who should never see the light of day again? You've got no arguments from me on that one. Further more - let's add a point of clarification here. I do feel a little silly pointing out to a lawyer who states "22 years is not enough", that this person HAS NOT been given a 22 year sentence. He's been given a life sentence. That's the law. As you know, under exceptional circumstances those with life sentences may be considered for release from prison. The judge has stated that in this case no consideration whatsoever can be given to exceptional circumstances until at least 22 years have passed. It doesn't mean he's out in 22 years, in all likelihood he'll spend the rest of his life in prison - which is the exact sentence the judge has given. Think Brady and Hindley - they got a life sentence for child murder too.
As for mutilation, butchery, execution, hunting for sport - I'm not going through this argument again, I'm sure you'll find something in the sig file below. But for people who are on their high horse about how evil this guy is, you good people sure are thinking up some horrific ways to dismember and execute a human being.
I do not advocate torture or anything like that, I just don't think he has any right to live anymore and I don't want to spend hundreds of thousands of pounds keeping him alive! Quick death, then forget the miserable little man ever lived.
Kate Moss
24-10-08, 03:52 PM
Can't someone do exactly to him as he inflicted on his daughter?
Awful story, can't imagine how anyone could be so cruel. But like Maria said, at least she now wont suffer a lifetime of abuse - not that that justifies what he did.
She had the rest of her life to live and he gets 22 years? How does that work? Im pretty sure she would have passed 22 years of age, well maybe not in their house
SuzukiNess
24-10-08, 04:18 PM
Words of the grandfather.....
"I'm very angry. If I could have done something I would have. She was my granddaughter."
The judge also detailed other occasions in the weeks leading up to the murder in December last year when Howson "cruelly and deliberately assaulted Amy", leaving her with multiple fractures to her arms and legs.
where was the grandfather then?
I believe the mother is as wrong as the father... she stood by and allowed this to happen? should the anger etc not be directed at her? He will rot in hell for what he's done... yet she walks free, but as guilty as he for not protecting her daughter? May any other children she has or will have be removed from her... actually she should be sterilised straight away!
a result of his experiences?? sorry stu i agree with you on most things in this forum....
Whythankyouverymuch :D
Sorry I let you down this time :( I was just trying to express that the sentence he got was about as long/punishing as you can get in this country. I don't even want to begin to rationalise why he did it or how he justifies it to himself, that really gives me the creeps. :shaking: I was just trying to express that his experiences seem to have left him not mentally normal.
As for her, I can't quite imagine what the lowest 1% for intelligence equates to.
Minimatt probably said much more eloquently what I was trying to.
Dangerous Dave
24-10-08, 04:52 PM
How much of the 22 will he actually do??? He needs more time in there, a life for a life....
How much of the 22 will he actually do??? He needs more time in there, a life for a life....
Did you read MiniMatt's post :roll:
Dangerous Dave
24-10-08, 05:12 PM
Did you read MiniMatt's post :roll:
Yes, but this has happened before and the guy served only 13 years.
tinpants
24-10-08, 05:14 PM
Words fail me.
Biker Biggles
24-10-08, 05:21 PM
I dont agree with capital punishment on principle but I do agree that if we still had it this scum would be an ideal candidate for execution.
northwind
24-10-08, 08:00 PM
I'm not sure prison's the place, the guy's obviously a complete psycho... You couldn't do something like that and not be. But he needs to be off the streets either way.
missyburd
24-10-08, 08:11 PM
I'm not sure prison's the place, the guy's obviously a complete psycho...
Let's hope he doesn't try and play the "I'm not quite right in the head" card and hope to be referred to an asylum then convince some poor sympathetic soul to let him out into the world once more :smt012
Dangerous Dave
24-10-08, 08:15 PM
Let's hope he doesn't try and play the "I'm not quite right in the head" card and hope to be referred to an asylum then convince some poor sympathetic soul to let him out into the world once more :smt012
+ 1
He is only a tough guy with women and babies....
:-k hmmm... who do I know that could put him through the same as he put his daughter through....
I know I am supposed to be trying to be nice to people, but the world isn't a nice place....
It'd be far cheaper just to shoot him, that'd be our tax money well spent on a sick sick individual.
SuzukiNess
24-10-08, 08:20 PM
In South Africa there was (probably still) a mentality of "ONE BULLET, ONE FARMER"
food for thought .... "ONE BULLET, ONE CRIMINAL"
my taxes would come down considerably
but then again the price of bullets would rise (astronomically)
northwind
24-10-08, 08:24 PM
Let's hope he doesn't try and play the "I'm not quite right in the head" card and hope to be referred to an asylum then convince some poor sympathetic soul to let him out into the world once more :smt012
I'm quite surprised they didn't try it before the trial actually. It probably wouldn't have been the hardest sell.
missyburd
24-10-08, 08:36 PM
I'm quite surprised they didn't try it before the trial actually. It probably wouldn't have been the hardest sell.
Another reason why the British system is cr@p. Just because someone commits a crime so unbelievably wrong, just because people are not willing to think someone is capable of such disgusting acts of violence and abuse doesn't make them insane, it makes them worth punishing thirty-fold for even thinking they had a right.
Remember those two boys who cruelly tortured that poor little lad and left him to die on a railway line? Now all grown up and given another identity? Left to lead normal lives with normal people when they should have been locked up for LIFE.
I still don't get why the heck judges even bother to dish out "life" sentences when all the criminals have to do is be on their best behaviour, say their please and thankyous and mind their Ps and Qs and they know damn well they'll have a pretty good chance of getting out of that cushy place they call "prison". :smt097
Of course there is the other side to it, what if someone gets put away for a crime they didn't commit. Guess they don't need to worry either, they'll be out soon enough! :rolleyes:
Dammit, another rant slipped out!
northwind
24-10-08, 08:54 PM
Nah, I just think mental institutions are better equipped to deal with mental people. It's not a cushy option, totally the opposite, I'd sooner be in prison than a high security mental unit. Terrifying places... Not because of the patients either.
missyburd
24-10-08, 09:11 PM
Nah, I just think mental institutions are better equipped to deal with mental people. It's not a cushy option, totally the opposite, I'd sooner be in prison than a high security mental unit. Terrifying places... Not because of the patients either.
I says prison is the cushy place not a mental institution,I agree those places are quite terrifying.
northwind
24-10-08, 09:12 PM
Sorry, yep, misread you. I think I'd sooner go to prison. And I'd really not like to go to prison :D
missyburd
24-10-08, 09:18 PM
Sorry, yep, misread you. I think I'd sooner go to prison. And I'd really not like to go to prison :D
:lol:
madness
24-10-08, 09:29 PM
Cases like this just prove what a sick society we are living in. But is it getting worse or is it just being more widely reported. I'm sure that sick/evil individuals have been doing stuff like this for a long time and will continue to do similar things in the future.
What society needs to do is make sure that people like this can never do things like this again. I'm all for capital punishment in certain cases, this case would certainly be one.
skidmarx
24-10-08, 11:42 PM
Jeeeeez....is THIS what they call a 'good old fashioned witch hunt'?
:smt033
missyburd
25-10-08, 12:21 AM
Haha, just watched Mock the Week, Hugh describes todays prison service as being just like the January sales,
"Murder: used to be life, now only 6 months! GBH: used to 6 years now only 1 week! Fraud: You go absolutely free!" :lol:
What's so sad is the fact he's got such a damn good point :(
BanannaMan
25-10-08, 12:31 AM
He wouldn't last long here where I live...
We do have the death penalty ...:reaper:
..And child murderers and abusers who do manage to get life sentences are usually killed by other prisoners in fairly short order. :reaper:
Matt, as y'know, I too have liberal tendecies on social issues. But this is so shocking, so hideous, that I am struggling. 22 years - yes of course I know that that does not mean that he will serve 22 years. But it's not 'exceptional circumstances' that's relevant. He could be out on licence after 22 years. I simply say that as a minimum term, 22 years is not enough and does not adequalely reflect the severity of the crime.
And as re a witch hunt - you cannot seriously expect people to take a cool isolated academic view of what must surely be one of the most shocking murders you can think of. We're dealing with the murder of a defenceless baby here. It's bound to be emotive. Should it be any different from any other murder? - yes, of course it should.
Nick762
25-10-08, 02:14 PM
Our kids are our most valuable assets, not just for ourselves but for the future. While some people will always look for excuses and reasons for such behaviour my gut feeling is that the instinctive response namely immediate removal from the gene pool is the correct course of action in cases like this.
shonadoll
25-10-08, 02:27 PM
I'm wondering if they aren't already considering the appeal - he's apparently in the lowest 1% for intelligence in the population. Problem is, is if we accept because he's stupid he's capable of barbaric behaviour as demonstrated, there's a case for only the intelligent to breed. Where's the cut off point? Lowest 10%?
Personally I'm all for it - sterilise people like him, and then release him back into society with no name change, on the *what goes around comes around* premise.
Scum.
yorkie_chris
26-10-08, 12:36 AM
I'm sure there's some shrinks who would like a look inside his head. I'm sure Mr Browning would furnish them with a really detailed view...
that pr!ck makes me wanna do a crime just to get into the same prison... just to teach the fu@ker a lesson....
22 years is not enough ... it should be life.. then life again then again .. all the way till he dies ...
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