View Full Version : So whose fault is it (lane splitting)
hang man
08-11-08, 05:37 PM
This is insane , why would anyone want to ride a motorbike like this anyway!!!!....I think the rider was way overconfident in himself and ended up paying for it .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GH8D2EqDZs
Lane splitting is illegal anyway and who would expect a bike to be flying through stopped traffic like that ....I say this because i myself was waiting in traffic as a bike went speeding through and startled the heck out of me:confused:
Is it an acceptable excuse to blame the car driver??
The rider didn't see the white car on the left indicating.
Biker's fault IMO. Maybe 80/20 against the biker if they're lucky.
missyburd
08-11-08, 05:43 PM
Probably a daft question but was that not just normal filtering? :confused:
Gene genie
08-11-08, 05:43 PM
why wouldnt you filter? i filter when traffic's moving at 20mph or less then if something does happen i can react or it'll only be a low speed spill.
poor obs by the biker though i reckon.
Probably a daft question but was that not just normal filtering? :confused:
Yup, I do that pretty much every time I'm on the bike. However, the video is in LA, and in LA, as the OP states, "lane splitting" aka filtering is illegal. If you crash or not, it's illegal.
For that reason, the decision can only go against the biker, because they shouldn't of been there doing what they were doing.
But even if that happened in the UK, I'd of still said it was the bikers fault, despite filtering like that myself. As Gene Genie said, poor obs.
sv-robo
08-11-08, 05:48 PM
Looks like he'll have to wheelie everywhere from now on.:smt045
Probably was the bikers fault...but f*** it blame the cage anyway.
missyburd
08-11-08, 05:48 PM
Yup, I do that pretty much every time I'm on the bike. However, the video is in LA, and in LA, as the OP states, "lane splitting" aka filtering is illegal. If you crash or not, it's illegal.
For that reason, the decision can only go against the biker, because they shouldn't of been there doing what they were doing.
But even if that happened in the UK, I'd of still said it was the bikers fault, despite filtering like that myself. As Gene Genie said, poor obs.
Ah I see, didn't know that. Yeah I noticed the car driver indicating, he obviously didn't though. Was very sudden, the car driver can't have looked properly, you would have thought a moving bike in stationary traffic was pretty obvious :rolleyes:
Gene genie
08-11-08, 05:49 PM
whats the point of biking in a country where filtering is ilegal?
Ah I see, didn't know that. Yeah I noticed the car driver indicating, he obviously didn't though. Was very sudden, the car driver can't have looked properly, you would have thought a moving bike in stationary traffic was pretty obvious :rolleyes:
The car driver will probably not have any experience of bikes, and rarely sees a bike filtering. Why would they bother to look for bikes?
The rider also didn't see the gap that the white car wanted to move into.
EDIT: IMO, the car driver has every right to be p****d off with the rider, because their illegal actions have resulted in lost time, damage to their vehicle, and no doubt an insurance claim.
skeetly
08-11-08, 05:51 PM
Oh dunno I thought the idea is to watch for them bits where there is a space in the lane next to a car. He maybe ought to have slowed down when he saw that space on the right. :(
Biker Biggles
08-11-08, 05:53 PM
"Lane splitting"isnt illegal here in UK but there is a responsibility on all concerned not to drive without due care and attention.Therefore the bike needs to be doing a speed such that he can pull up in the distance he can see to be clear and the car driver needs to look before he makes a manoevre like changing lanes.Neither happened in this case.
Gene genie
08-11-08, 05:54 PM
my dad used to say ''if you see a space on the road your probably not the only one to spot it.'' good advice that.
ridelikeaturtle
08-11-08, 05:55 PM
Yup, I do that pretty much every time I'm on the bike. However, the video is in LA, and in LA, as the OP states, "lane splitting" aka filtering is illegal. If you crash or not, it's illegal.
Actually, "lane splitting" is legal in California. It varies from state to state.
Otherwise, I agree the biker is at fault here, unless the video alters the perception, it'd seem he was moving too fast to react to the car's change of lanes.
Actually, "lane splitting" is legal in California. It varies from state to state.
Cool, I stand corrected then. But I still maintain that the biker is at fault, and the car driver has the right to be p****d. Maybe not to the extent of using the states weapons laws, but still.
Gene genie
08-11-08, 05:57 PM
good discussion this, lets have a few more vids and lets select a judge and jury. the S.V. courts are in session.
missyburd
08-11-08, 05:58 PM
The car driver will probably not have any experience of bikes, and rarely sees a bike filtering. Why would they bother to look for bikes?
aye fair point. Still lack of observation on both parts though. Bike obviously more at fault if breaking the law in the first place.
I think the law for filtering in the U.K is no more than 10 or 15 mph than the other traffics speed.
Think he was just going a little too fast, and presuming the everyone sees him.
Which we all know, is not always the case..
If we can see the car indicating and moving across then the rider probably should have. If splitting is illegal in that area then to be honest as a cager you wouldn't be looking for a bike to appear there. Plus he was filtering a bit quick, which is evident with the results!
One thing to note in addition to the filtering being legal - as stated in the video info, the car tried to cross the double-yellow lines (which is an illegal maneuver).
Having said that, the guy's on a helmet cam and his head never even moves towards the car, even as it's just about to hit him. How the heck did he miss it?
yorkie_chris
08-11-08, 07:50 PM
This is in California where motorcycle spitting is legal.
Looks like he was going pretty steady. Car driver should have looked in his f###ing mirrors and deserved a couple of booted in panels or something but suppose lost NCD will suffice. Biker should have seen indicator and the gap and used that RH lane to give himself a bit more braking time. Hindsight 20-20...
Actually, "lane splitting" is legal in California. It varies from state to state.
Otherwise, I agree the biker is at fault here, unless the video alters the perception, it'd seem he was moving too fast to react to the car's change of lanes.
You,re right, lane splitting is legal in california, but that cage driver was in a pool lane for vehicles with more than two occupants in, you cant just cut across the double yellows when you feel like it, there are sections where the double yellows dissapear for a few hindred yards so that you can enter or leave the car pool lane.
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