View Full Version : Karen Matthews is a disgrace
Warthog
12-11-08, 04:17 PM
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=10873059
Unbeleivable on so many levels.
She needs to be simultaneously hanged for doing that to her own kid, and made to work off her £3.2 million debt. Somehow.
Hanged? What is this - knee-jerk vigilanteeism?
Yes, she did a terrible thing but she is in court over it.
And, please: let's get some perspective - she didn't kill anyone & feed them to pigs.
Warthog
12-11-08, 04:29 PM
I just like a good hanging :)
Warthog
12-11-08, 04:29 PM
In all seriousness, yes, I think she is a total waste of space, time and money and should cease to be a burden on society.
Warthog
12-11-08, 04:31 PM
Or if you want to look at it another way, £3.2 million of tax payer's money could be used to treat and cure hundreds of people on the NHS, so she is a murderer.
Bullet to the head......then theres only the cremation costs........then the £3.2m bill for the whole farce will stop increasing.
Job done.
SuzukiNess
12-11-08, 04:33 PM
In all seriousness, yes, I think she is a total waste of space, time and money and should cease to be a burden on society.
+1
And, please: let's get some perspective - she didn't kill anyone & feed them to pigs.
oh thats ok then:confused:
some crimes are worse than murder, this being one!! . they deliberatly abused a child. they should be tourtured beyond belief and then set alight alive.
I'm sure this will be no surprise but I'm with Warthog and G all the way here!
oh thats ok then:confused:
I didn't say it was okay, I was hoping for some perspective, instead of a knee-jerk, mob-rule mentality.
We do have law courts to bring people to justice. And justice will be what she gets - not revenge by someone who probably doesn't know all the facts in a case which is still ongoing - if I remember right!
Kingvig - Do you actually believe she will get justice, if so you are wrong. Very Wrong
We do have law courts to bring people to justice. And justice will be what she gets - !
:rolleyes: That is the funniest thing i have ever read on the Org!!
Kingvig - Do you actually believe she will get justice, if so you are wrong. Very Wrong
Yes, I do.
I'd prefer to let the courts decide her fate than have some lynching!
:rolleyes: That is the funniest thing i have ever read on the Org!!
Indeed
Yes, I do.
I'd prefer to let the courts decide her fate than have some lynching!
So what would you consider justice for false imprisonment and drugging your own child then, whilst also watching a full-scale police hunt for her and playing on the entire countries good natured support.
She will never get proper justice, I am sure any moment now you will have one of the ORG's many police officers along to tell you how people in the UK never get the sentences they deserve...........NEVER!
Yes, I do.
I'd prefer to let the courts decide her fate than have some lynching!
Let's hope they get it right then. Incredible the lengths people will go to to earn a few quid.
EDIT: change "earn" to steal....
Let's hope they get it right then. Incredible the lengths people will go to to earn a few quid.
EDIT: change "earn" to steal....
Yeah those bloody CPS dragging out the case to earning all the lawyers etc extra money lol
plowsie
12-11-08, 04:51 PM
People that are in these situations deserve torture, the men and women in prison will make sure of that! More so the parents of that poor baby that is currently been investigated!
Ending their life is no good and teaches nothing!
People that are in these situations deserve torture, the men and women in prison will make sure of that! More so the parents of that poor baby that is currently been investigated!
Ending their life is no good and teaches nothing!
Could work, but why let them be a continued blight to tax payers?
shonadoll
12-11-08, 04:52 PM
Here's an example of our fine justice system, from today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7724603.stm
Not another one!
Exactly......they have already failed......its about teaching others not do it.....and at minimal cost
People that are in these situations deserve torture, the men and women in prison will make sure of that! More so the parents of that poor baby that is currently been investigated!
Ending their life is no good and teaches nothing!
What about along these lines, make them watch a video and look at pics of the said child, then cut their eyes out so the last thing they saw was the child.
then play a sound track of the child speaking before piercing their ear drum so the last thing they heard was the said child.
Yeah those bloody CPS dragging out the case to earning all the lawyers etc extra money lol
Oh I knew that lawyers would fit in somewhere:rolleyes: Fact is it's a complex case, the welfare of the child is paramount. It takes a lot of time to gather and test the evidence before bringing a prosecution.
On the wider issue, it beggars belief that someone could do this to their own child. No wonder the poor girl preferred her kitten to her mother. But the mother is entitled to a fair trial, and we haven't heard her side of the story yet.
Here's an example of our fine justice system, from today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7724603.stm
and here's another, a "landmark" case:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7725250.stm
plowsie
12-11-08, 05:06 PM
Could work, but why let them be a contiued blight to tax payers?
I'd pay my taxes to get justice such as the below!
What about along these lines, make them watch a video and look at pics of the said child, then cut their eyes out so the last thing they saw was the child.
then play a sound track of the child speaking before piercing their ear drum so the last thing they heard was the said child.
and here's another, a "landmark" case:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/7725250.stm
Not sure if you ment to highlight the failings of the justice system in the UK but how in gods name can a bloke be jailed for dog fighting but what could be concidered attempted murder or at least GBH with intent is let off scott free.
But welll done if you intended to back up our case.
Warthog
12-11-08, 05:11 PM
Here's an example of our fine justice system, from today.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/glasgow_and_west/7724603.stm
And sadly from our very own forum is another example (Newts hope you don't mind me using this)
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=120954
Warthog
12-11-08, 05:11 PM
Not sure if you ment to highlight the failings of the justice system in the UK but how in gods name can a bloke be jailed for dog fighting but what could be concidered attempted murder or at least GBH with intent is let off scott free.
But welll done if you intended to back up our case.
Indeed, it only serves to show how completely insane our justice system is.
Indeed, it only serves to show how completely insane our justice system is.
So what are we going to do about it? No good moaning. I do think that these case show appalling inconsistencies and it's a postcode lottery. You couldn't invent a worse system. Complain - but to whom?
Not sure if you ment to highlight the failings of the justice system in the UK but how in gods name can a bloke be jailed for dog fighting but what could be concidered attempted murder or at least GBH with intent is let off scott free.
But welll done if you intended to back up our case.
It was pointed out that the justice system is "failing" and to prove the "fact" that the system is failling 1 court case out of all the cases today was cited.
I disputed this.
I found another case on the same website that was hailled as a, "landmark ruling".
Because one believes something is so doesn't make it a fact. That is what I was attempting to show.
Warthog
12-11-08, 05:18 PM
So what are we going to do about it? No good moaning. I do think that these case show appalling inconsistencies and it's a postcode lottery. You couldn't invent a worse system. Complain - but to whom?
I get this problem all the time. In the country who can probably boast the most empowered individial citizens there is still very little you can do! Become a judge? Become a politician? I was thinking about becoming a Justice of the Peace, my girlfirends Dad has just become one.
12 years ago when Tony Blair won the 1996 election
'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'
You know what to do at the next election:D
Warthog
12-11-08, 05:31 PM
12 years ago when Tony Blair won the 1996 election
'Tough on crime, tough on the causes of crime'
You know what to do at the next election:D
How dare you accuse me of previously voting for Labour :-P. Sadly, I don't feel there is much of a difference between todays political parties and their leaders: they are all puppets who merely spin their way to the top, saying anything they think the public will want to hear, and passing judgement on all sorts of nonsense like X factor voting and BBC internal affairs. Where are the true leaders with ideals, morals and honesty?!
Dangerous Dave
12-11-08, 05:50 PM
What the h*ll is going on is this country!!!
You know what to do at the next election:D
Well I know what to do - VOTE NEIO!!!
Warthog
12-11-08, 05:56 PM
Well I know what to do - VOTE NEIO!!!
Much as that might shake things up a bit, I'm not sure I can bring myself to go quite that far ;)
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Warthog
12-11-08, 06:04 PM
Mods! I think Neio has hijacked krhall's account :D
I know the Matthews family personally. I grew up in Dewsbury, W. Yorks. I still have family living in that area.
All I have to say on the matter is, Kinvig, Thank you.
NB, I'm not attempting to excuse/explain anything, particularly the actions of the accused. But as yet, they are accused, not guilty.
I've just read a couple of those links on the previous pages and well what can you say?
To coin a phrase from my favourite Kathryn Tate character "what a f*cking liberty!"
Stab someone get community service - LMAO!!!
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=10873059
Unbeleivable on so many levels.
She needs to be simultaneously hanged for doing that to her own kid, and made to work off her £3.2 million debt. Somehow.
Has she been proven guilty yet?
I don't think so, so I'll save any views I may harbour until the jury have given their verdict.
Baph - It is difficult to see all sides of the story sometimes, especially when children are involved, but if these are genuinely the facts then what has the world come to?
It is also easy for us to sit here and act as judge and jury - not sure I can make myself see another side though - sorry.
And, please: let's get some perspective - she didn't kill anyone & feed them to pigs.
what she did was just as , if not worse
Has she been proven guilty yet?
I don't think so, so I'll save any views I may harbour until the jury have given their verdict.
Exactly. A good point well made.
Supprising how quick a 'civilised' and friendly group of people descend to primal instincts. I wonder if any of those jumping to conclusions would appreciate 'innocent until proven guilty' should they ever be accused, of anything.
edit
some crimes are worse than murder, this being one!! . they deliberatly abused a child. they should be tourtured beyond belief and then set alight alive.
what he said............... and not just A child.......... HER OWN child
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I'd prefer to let the courts decide her fate than have some lynching! pffffffffft
Well I know what to do - VOTE NEIO!!!
Lol. You sir are wise beyond your years. I dont think my style would in down well in westminster
Worth a try tho
OK I'm going to be brave and say what I really think, even though it may make some people on here hate me and maybe want to do unpleasant things to me
What they did to that child was dreadful no doubt about it. None of us decent thinking individuals would dream of doing anyhting so awful. Would we?
However I don't think a child's life or well-being is MORE important than anyone else's. I very strongly believe that all of us are equal and each one of our lives and happiness is as important as anyone else's.
Therefore, even though I absolutely believe the adults responsible for what happened should be brought to justice ( and that's not the debate I'm joining in here) I also believe it is up to our justice system to implement it.
Therefore when any of us, outside of the justice system, believes and incites others to believe, in torture and harm to another individual, that makes them as bad as the original evil doer. They should be subject to the same justice system and someone who incites racial hatred or terrorism.
Some people on here would dream of doing awful things to another person
Would you be saying the same if you did not know the family? I genuinely don't know the answer to that so don't jump at me.
Lol. You sir are wise beyond your years. I dont think my style would in down well in westminster
Worth a try tho
i would vote for you:smt115
Baph - It is difficult to see all sides of the story sometimes, especially when children are involved, but if these are genuinely the facts then what has the world come to?
It is also easy for us to sit here and act as judge and jury - not sure I can make myself see another side though - sorry.
Emphasis added. You haven't heard her side of the story. Everyone's entitled to a fair trial.
Baph - It is difficult to see all sides of the story sometimes, especially when children are involved, but if these are genuinely the facts then what has the world come to?
You're getting me wrong. I'm not saying there's any more than one side to it. It's just that (as you just put), we do not know the facts.
I am one of the few people that know how much stress the Matthews family (most notably the extended family) have been put through with this ordeal.
I wouldn't appreciate someone talking about members of my family in the same light as some of these comments have been. I don't see the need to put the family through any more than they have already been through.
I have my own thoughts on the accused, but since they have no baring on the case, what's the point of mentionning them?
Don't get me wrong, the reaction of the family itself will be much worse than anything said in this thread, should the accused be proven guilty, and I'd be happy for them to react in that way. Only after a judgement, not before.
EDIT: Would I be saying the same if I didn't know the family? Yes.
wheelnut
12-11-08, 06:37 PM
I didn't say it was okay, I was hoping for some perspective, instead of a knee-jerk, mob-rule mentality.
We do have law courts to bring people to justice. And justice will be what she gets - not revenge by someone who probably doesn't know all the facts in a case which is still ongoing - if I remember right!
You seem to have great faith in our judicial system and the Judge who will pass sentence.
Although I do agree that not all the facts are available yet, only that they gave a little girl drugs, kidnapped her and locked her under a bed while her 21 year old stepfather was playing with his tool and looking at child pornography
Would you be saying the same if you did not know the family? I genuinely don't know the answer to that so don't jump at me.
Yes I believe I would. I have worked with families in very difficult circumstances. I can't/won't go in to details but please note what I'm saying. I do think the adults need punishment, but members of the public baying for blood and revenge is what I arguning against
missyburd
12-11-08, 06:40 PM
I haven't read through all this thread but am beginning to think potential parents or first-child parents should have some sort of checkups, looking at their histories and past if any criminal records. Although this may be seen as a huge breach of privacy there are just too many "parents" out there abusing their kids in disgusting manners, abusing their rights as a parent, destroying any chances of their children having a decent life living without fear and turning their victims into bad people (not always the case I know, but abuse as a kid certainly never helps matters later on in life :()
Unfortunately pregnancies can be hid, and unfortunately so can abuse - as proved, often until its too late as we keep hearing about it :mad: so this wouldn't exactly be possible but in an ideal world :rolleyes:
Although everyone does have the right to become a parent I really don't think it should be allowed for a number of scumbags who think they have the right to f*ck up someone else's life. Some people are vermin through and through, to the very disgusting core and I sometimes feel ashamed to be part of the human race when its churning out these despicable excuses of life.
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Yes I believe I would. I have worked with families in very difficult circumstances. I can't/won't go in to details but please note what I'm saying. I do think the adults need punishment, but members of the public baying for blood and revenge is what I arguning against
Messie my question wasn't pointed at you but Baph who has also answered it.
Although I do agree that not all the facts are available yet, only that they gave a little girl drugs, kidnapped her and locked her under a bed while her 21 year old stepfather was playing with his tool and looking at child pornography
Very eloquently put my friend, but the bit about all the facts is still true, we don't know them.
Messie my question wasn't pointed at you but Baph who has also answered it.
Ah OK! ;)
I do think the adults need punishment, but members of the public baying for blood and revenge is what I arguning against
:rolleyes: oh glad that is clear that its acceptble to let the joke of a justice system make frankly rediculous desisions oin a daily basis, however its wrong for people frustrated and fed up with said system to be made to feel bad for wanting to dish out some real justice.
I am sure you would change your tune if your kid had some pedo do things to them and your friends wanted to lynch them:rolleyes:.
Personally if it was up to me i would make it public knowledge of the where abouts of every kiddie fiddler in the UK, and let the lynching begin. same for convicted rapists.
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Being a parent, I am fully supportive of your proposals MYC. However, the caveat to that, is that I'd have to agree to it ignorant to what some people feel is acceptable.
If "checks" were introduced, you're only a hop & a skip away from having child 'licences' - ie, you must have a licence in order to have a child. Then there could be limitations placed on lifestyle, for example, you must be married in order to obtain a child licence. Wealth may be another.
China has a system exactly as the one above, implimented for reasons of controlling population growth. All it has done is to open a black market in the sale (yes, sale!!) of children, most of whom are kidnapped to get onto the black market in the first place.
Half a dozen of one, six of the other if you ask me.
husky03
12-11-08, 07:03 PM
we might not be aware of ALL the facts but bottom line is they put that girl through hell -through my work i am now very rarely shocked at how we as humans can treat each other with out thinking twice-most people nowadays live in a bubble and are unaware of whats on there doorstep-this case shows that-people were taken in by the lies told and felt compelled to help out, good on them-but this case should be a bench mark that sends out a message that from now on the punishment should fit the crime.
Prison will be too soft on them and they'll get out in a few months if not a year or two-we need to get hard and stop all the human rights pi$h-you go to prison as a punishment-you should then be punished while your there each and everyday, no tv , no phone calls etc.
... bottom line is they put that girl through hell ...
...this case shows that-people were taken in by the lies told and felt compelled to help out, good on them...
Is any of that a fact? Or is that just what the prosecution are claiming?
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:rolleyes: oh glad that is clear that its acceptble to let the joke of a justice system make frankly rediculous desisions oin a daily basis, however its wrong for people frustrated and fed up with said system to be made to feel bad for wanting to dish out some real justice.
I am sure you would change your tune if your kid had some pedo do things to them and your friends wanted to lynch them:rolleyes:.
Personally if it was up to me i would make it public knowledge of the where abouts of every kiddie fiddler in the UK, and let the lynching begin. same for convicted rapists.
1. The justice system hasn't yet spoken on this case. I await their decision eagerly. However, despite knowing that our system is flawed and some decisions are questionable, I think it is better than many, many other systems. It is based on evidence and case law, and the penal system does what it cam with limited resources
2. NO EMPHATICALLY I WOULD NOT think differently if my child or grandchild had been hurt in any way. I am not shallow enough to want simple animal revenge. Justice YES, blind revenge NO. I would not want or indeed expect any friend of mine to want to lynch a person who hurt me or mine
3. Fair enough point that I don't happen to agree with but accept it's validity. My problem is with those falsly accused, wrongly convicted or subject to the illiterate ( remember lynching paediatricians)
Husky03 - when neio is elected as prime minister will you be one of his ministers?
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There is an opening for Home secutary, now Krhall which position in my cabinet would you like? Head of the secret police?:-D
2. NO EMPHATICALLY I WOULD NOT think differently if my child or grandchild had been hurt in any way. I am not shallow enough to want simple animal revenge. Justice YES, blind revenge NO. I would not want or indeed expect any friend of mine to want to lynch a person who hurt me or mine
)
You my fine lady are a Twiglett then, your just not normal. I defy any Human not to want revenge if something like that happened to them.
You my fine lady are a Twiglett then, your just not normal. I defy any Human not to want revenge if something like that happened to them.
Neio - can you stop sodding beating me to the post!!!
Oh and head of secret police will be just fine!
Thanks for that. Personal insults are the last resort of those hard of thinking.
Please do my the courtesy of respecting my belief that I know myself and how I would react in various circumstances. Certainly I know more about myself than you do
Mmmmm 'twiglett'? At least I like Marmite
Interesting - two people here calling me 'not normal'
Having read many of their posts...
I think I'm flattered!
Nice to see we have descended into a eye for a eye mentality.
Let just abandon justice and go back to the dark ages, while we are at it, the crusades looked like a lot of fun...
I hate news papers, news and all this so called journalistic pish, for all we know this information on the site could be rubbish. While there are failings in the justice system then are also wins. It is a system controlled by us, humans, and we are not perfect, after all if we lived in a perfect society them we would not need a justice system.
Any way back to the pub I go.
Interesting - two people here calling me 'not normal'
Having read many of their posts...
I think I'm flattered!
Now careful with the insults you may become hard of thinking! ;)
Interesting - two people here calling me 'not normal'
Having read many of their posts...
I think I'm flattered!
You make a good point there. At this point I would love to defend myself and say I am normal, but sadly it would be untrue.
That said I find it genuinely (and obviously I don't know you messie) impossible to believe that if someone did something like this to a member of your nearest and dearest that your primal instinct would not come rushing through - I just don't see how anyone can have that much self-control.
I really don't.
For what its worth marmite is the dogs danglers!!!
Now careful with the insults you may become hard of thinking! ;)
mmmm - please re-read. That wasn't an insult :confused:
mmmm - please re-read. That wasn't an insult :confused:
:smt115 doh, i apologise:smt008
That said I find it genuinely (and obviously I don't know you messie) impossible to believe that if someone did something like this to a member of your nearest and dearest that your primal instinct would not come rushing through - I just don't see how anyone can have that much self-control.
I have to agree with that. If I knew, without doubt that someone had done anything even resembling the claims in this case, to my kids... well, I'm confident that I'd need the justice system applied to myself.
It would however, send a very clear message to anyone thinking of doing anything else to my kids.
Assuming for a nano-second that the claims in this case are true, I'm deeply saddened that some felt it appropriate to turn this thread into personal bickering. There are far bigger, and more important issues.
northwind
12-11-08, 07:35 PM
I like the idea of getting some lynch mobs together, there's a paediatrician down the road who I really don't like...
I like the idea of getting some lynch mobs together, there's a paediatrician down the road who I really don't like...
Nice one, beat me to it mate, ****ing paediatricians........
Personally I can't stand podiatrists!
I have to agree with that. If I knew, without doubt that someone had done anything even resembling the claims in this case, to my kids... well, I'm confident that I'd need the justice system applied to myself.
It would however, send a very clear message to anyone thinking of doing anything else to my kids.
Assuming for a nano-second that the claims in this case are true, I'm deeply saddened that some felt it appropriate to turn this thread into personal bickering. There are far bigger, and more important issues.
Very true. I'd like the system we have, though imperfect, to be allowed to do it's job. We can maybe wait for the slating after the verdict and sentence
Baph - I agree and all the time spent in this thread is not solving my no front brake issue, so can all the bike guru's report immediately to the Bikes - Talks and Issues.
I know nothing about fixing bikes. Ride 'em yup, then rely on friends for the fixing stuff :(
missyburd
12-11-08, 07:51 PM
Being a parent, I am fully supportive of your proposals MYC. However, the caveat to that, is that I'd have to agree to it ignorant to what some people feel is acceptable.
Indeed, having no kids of my own doesn't put me in good stead for forming much an opinion on the subject really, just a thought of mine, one which would never come into play anyway!
And as you say, it would be one step away from a child licence then there'd be pet licences - more for dogs and budgies, I know they exist for some pets and for keeping certain animals and so on. But then how bad could that really be? If you want a rescue dog from the RSPCA you need to have a house check and be questioned, should there not be some sort of reassurance that you are capable of bringing up a child in a reasonably suitable environment? NOT that I am comparing a child to a dog but I think you get my drift.
And yes, as most people will no doubt bring up, all a child needs is love and attention, and it would be impossible to judge people on how capable they are at giving these to a child hence why I don't think licences could come into play.
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Deny someone what they want with a true passion, and they will find the means to obtain it.
The moment regulations were brought in to control child birth (for whatever reason), the government would also be bringing an increased number of kidnappings. Sad, but proven true by China.
husky03
12-11-08, 08:20 PM
Is any of that a fact? Or is that just what the prosecution are claiming?
So is it Bull$hit?-look at her interviews before she was found out to be involved-how would you describe the experiance she's (the kid) went through?
YOU sound like a defence lawyer
So is it Bull$hit?
I honestly don't know either way. That's the job of the jury, not that I envy them at all.
husky03
12-11-08, 08:27 PM
Husky03 - when neio is elected as prime minister will you be one of his ministers?
Depends mate-I find myself and Neio having very similar beliefs over certain points-must both be institutionalised;) -Joe public don't have a scooby doo whats going on on there doorstep and to be honest i think most are happy with that -when it gets down to the nitty gritty we are too soft nowadays.
Depends mate-I find myself and Neio having very similar beliefs over certain points-must both be institutionalised;) -Joe public don't have a scooby doo whats going on on there doorstep and to be honest i think most are happy with that -when it gets down to the nitty gritty we are too soft nowadays.
Very true, also we are probably both hard as fook!! :smt040
husky03
12-11-08, 08:46 PM
Very true, also we are probably both hard as fook!! :smt040
Kin hell mate its amazing that even although you've never met someone in the flesh before you just know there one of the good guys-pint for you anytime mate=D>
Biker Biggles
12-11-08, 08:53 PM
The reason we have a justice system is well illustrated in this thread.Its there to be dispassionate rather than pander to the worst excesses of an ill informed mob.
A couple of points.I was "done over" and robbed once,and I would cheerfully have killed whoever did it(no kidding)but a court would have looked at the case dispassionately and dealt with it as such.Which is better?Let people like me kill crooks or have a proper system?
We have gone through different cycles of punishment regimes over the years,and it does seem that harsher punishment does not mean less crime.You used to get executed for stealing a loaf of bread,but it still happened.And Tony Blairs tough on crime thing?Well over the last decade or so we have increased levels of punishment significantly(hence the prisons being full to overcapacity)but the impact on criminality is small if any at all.Zero tolerance seems to have been a failure despite Tonys best efforts.
Anyway Id advise to be careful what you wish for in a justice system.Lynching speeding bikers would go down a treat in some influential circles,and floggings for loud pipes too.
Kin hell mate its amazing that even although you've never met someone in the flesh before you just know there one of the good guys-pint for you anytime mate=D>
:-D Yep. Ditto .
Husky03 - when neio is elected as prime minister will you be one of his ministers?
can i be Minister for Immigration :smt072
can i be Minister for Immigration :smt072
Yes if they are good policies.
Yes if they are good policies.
they will be;)
Flamin_Squirrel
12-11-08, 09:29 PM
Holy ****e, no wonder this country is going down the tubes - and it's not because of people like Sharon Mathews.
Many people on here sound like given slightly different circumstances, they would be quite happy roaming the southern states of the USA in white sheets carrying out their ideas of 'justice'.
Allowing yourselves to be influenced by such manipulative media tripe is shocking - you should be ashamed of yourselves.
That said I find it genuinely (and obviously I don't know you messie) impossible to believe that if someone did something like this to a member of your nearest and dearest that your primal instinct would not come rushing through
It is precisely this reason that victims, who understandably lose all sense of perspective once a crime is committed against them, are the least likely people to have any sense of what justice is than anyone else. I'm glad at least Messie can see that.
Biker Biggles
12-11-08, 09:32 PM
Blimey Im going to agree with the squirrel.Pass the wacky baccy someone.
Yes but I genuinely think that if it did happen - then anybody would be the same, nobody has that much self-control, it would not be natural to feel that way.......or be able to put those feelings to one side.
Flamin_Squirrel
12-11-08, 09:38 PM
Yes but I genuinely think that if it did happen - then anybody would be the same, nobody has that much self-control, it would not be natural to feel that way.......or be able to put those feelings to one side.
That's fine, and understandable that some people would react that way. But don't pretend that that's anything other than revenge - it's certainly not justice
Holy ****e, no wonder this country is going down the tubes - and it's not because of people like Sharon Mathews. . no, she a real good mother drugging her daughter and hidding her under the bed for a few weeks to try to claim 50 grand reward
Many people on here sound like given slightly different circumstances, they would be quite happy roaming the southern states of the USA in white sheets carrying out their ideas of 'justice'. . well at least she would get what she deserves
Allowing yourselves to be influenced by such manipulative media tripe is shocking - you should be ashamed of yourselves.
well....... im not ashamed
husky03
12-11-08, 09:58 PM
[quote=Flamin_Squirrel;1684242]Holy ****e, no wonder this country is going down the tubes - and it's not because of people like Sharon Mathews-
Many people on here sound like given slightly different circumstances, they would be quite happy roaming the southern states of the USA in white sheets carrying out their ideas of 'justice'.
Allowing yourselves to be influenced by such manipulative media tripe is shocking - you should be ashamed of yourselves.
Countrys GONE down the tubes because people like her get away with soft penalties.
As for the white sheet comment-don't see how you bring a group of racial purists into this?
Who's been influenced by the media?-YOU should be ashamed that you think because of my view point on this that i've allowed myself to be influenced by the press-i'm big enough and ugly enough to make my own decisions and view points.
Flamin_Squirrel
12-11-08, 10:02 PM
no, she a real good mother drugging her daughter and hidding her under the bed for a few weeks to try to claim 50 grand reward
If that's proven then she deserves all she gets.
But bare in mind, criminals only hurt a few people. Mob mentality should it grip the country will hurt us all.
well....... im not ashamed
Because you don't understand that should your views be echoed by all people, we'd all beat each other back into the stone age.
I like this quote from Ghandi, "An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind."
But bare in mind, criminals only hurt a few people. Mob mentality should it grip the country will hurt us all.
only if we are all naughty little tinkers ;)
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