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Got a Datatool S4 Alarm already fitted but also looking for some physical security. What is the best for their price disk locks or chains out there and do any give insurance discounts?
Cheers
Colin
wyrdness
26-11-08, 12:57 PM
The best physical security is probably a wall anchor and an Almax (http://www.almax-security-chains.co.uk/)chain. Ground anchors are good too, but it's easier to crop a chain when it's on the ground.
Of course, that doesn't help when you're not at home.
search ebay for something called yanchor and if you can be bothered to dig a hole its the best as its all under-ground
I have a Xena disc lock alarm (when out and about) and an Oxford Hardcore lock and chain. Highly rate both....
I have a Xena disc lock alarm (when out and about) and an Oxford Hardcore lock and chain. Highly rate both....
how loud are these as i just ordered one, enough to deter someone if they attempt to move the bike?
yorkie_chris
26-11-08, 03:06 PM
Almax and a Y anchor.
how loud are these as i just ordered one, enough to deter someone if they attempt to move the bike?
Yeah they make a racket... 110dbs
Just don't stick it under your pillion seat armed... :rolleyes:
Ceri JC
26-11-08, 03:35 PM
+1 for Almax and ground anchor, ideally used with an anti-pinch pin (so you don't just find a wheel left chained up in your garage).
the_lone_wolf
26-11-08, 05:55 PM
Best Physical Security
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wyrdness
26-11-08, 06:56 PM
+1 for Almax and ground anchor, ideally used with an anti-pinch pin (so you don't just find a wheel left chained up in your garage).
I've looked at the anti-pinch pin and am worried that it could be sawn through more easily than a chain could be cropped.
think when it comes to it if someone wants to take your bike they will find a way, all these things are to deter the opportunist thief, that wont want to stick around for long,
the anti-pinch pin looks interesting but just something else to stick out the side of the bike...where do you all route your chains, does everyone just go through the wheel??
where do you all route your chains, does everyone just go through the wheel??
Yip, Rear wheel as they would have to take more bits off, rather than the front wheel.
ahh just realised the you dont permanently have the anti-pinch pin on your bike:rolleyes: looks a good idea but they seem to say it will only work with one padlock which costs £65!! plus the £40 for the pin and its not cheap!
Alpinestarhero
27-11-08, 05:19 PM
the anti-pinch pin looks interesting but just something else to stick out the side of the bike...where do you all route your chains, does everyone just go through the wheel??
Through the front downpipe and the front wheel. Sure, they can get the front wheel off...but have you seen the state of my exhaust studs latley :lol:
btw +1 for the almax chain. Its a beefy mother and the tools neesed to cut through it should wake the street up, let alone the house
any almax chain?? are the locks they sell good aswell??
Alpinestarhero
09-12-08, 11:51 AM
any almax chain?? are the locks they sell good aswell??
I have a seires 14 (19 mm links) but the series 3 is good aswell (16 mm links). The locks are squire, and very sturdy. I think almax are pretty thoughtfull about their products
i really wouldnt fancy trying to steal my bike as im never that far from earshot of it and i have at least two locks on and a hidden alarm on it plus alarmed disc lock and if i hear it going of you'd see a 6 foot angry man roaring towards it.
what disk lock alarm if i can ask??
yorkie_chris
11-12-08, 02:24 PM
It's a disk lock with an alarm in it :-P
http://www.motorcycleworldl-spa.co.uk/images/uploads/OF3.jpg
mine just a aldi tenner job it's actually damn good not eoverly sensitive but it does go off and it's loud looks similar to the xena lock.
It's a disk lock with an alarm in it :-P
http://www.motorcycleworldl-spa.co.uk/images/uploads/OF3.jpg
still a bit dubious of oxfords locks since i saw that vid off someone opening it with a felt pen in seconds.:(
yeah i get that, was just asking as i have a Xena one and it keeps goign off for no reason and is annoying at 3am when i hear it jump out of bed and nothings there!!!
yorkie_chris
11-12-08, 02:29 PM
Check carefully, sometimes tea leaves will set off alarm a couple of times untill you don't trust it, then nick the bike the night you don't arm it.
I'd be tempted to sit up at window the odd night with crossbow or airgun and have some fun.
yeah i get that, was just asking as i have a Xena one and it keeps goign off for no reason and is annoying at 3am when i hear it jump out of bed and nothings there!!!
how did you put the batteries in it i found mine went off when i loaded them in without the plastic holder thing just a thought.:)
Check carefully, sometimes tea leaves will set off alarm a couple of times untill you don't trust it, then nick the bike the night you don't arm it.
I'd be tempted to sit up at window the odd night with crossbow or airgun and have some fun.
thats what i was thinking but we have around 5 different lights everywhere around the house so no one would be able to get close without turning one on, going to try getting it replaced as its only a week or two old
cheers
Type in Almax into youtube. There's loads of videos breaking into every other lock, but they can't get into the almax. They are expensive but they seem to be literally unbreakable.
yorkie_chris
31-01-09, 06:32 PM
No such thing. I reckon under a minute with a stihlsaw / big grinder / gas axe / thermic lance / something bangy.
No such thing. I reckon under a minute with a stihlsaw / big grinder / gas axe / thermic lance / something bangy.
+1.
The best physical security for a bike is to not own one. But who in their right mind would do that?
metalmonkey
05-02-09, 11:09 PM
Mine are in a garage, chained togther and bolted into the floor. It will make a lot of noise trying to get them out, if am I woke I tend to get angry about that.
Dave20046
06-02-09, 09:10 AM
Through the front downpipe and the front wheel. Sure, they can get the front wheel off...but have you seen the state of my exhaust studs latley :lol:
Somehow I doubt they'd take the time to carefully unbolt your down pipe. Hacksaw~2 minutes, little noise lol.
I think Dangerouslydave recomended feeding the chain through ya rear wheel and swingyarm.
dizzyblonde
06-02-09, 11:02 PM
http://www.alternativesecurity.org.uk/catalog/images/5047%20disc%20lock%20thatcham.jpg
I got one of these for when I'm at work, and an alarm too. Don't use it at home,as I've two dogs to keep me informed if theres somebody there....however if I did catch someone, if i lobbed this at em,its so big and heavy its likely to give them a large indentation of the cranium :-)
when i bought mine it was thatcham approved, and expensive. They do a couple of different ones I think, as this ones a few yrs old. Think they do an alarmed one too
and if its as good as this chain is, its good enough for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ArSWkXW4kc&feature=related
Jester666
13-02-09, 12:59 PM
Keep the chat to the megathread please.
Ta :jocolor:
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not great for the paintwork tho
i got an xena alarm disklock, with out the alarm. I had bad experience with them 1st one kept goin off for no reason so did the second one and i ended up takin its guts out! good for if you forget to take it off tho
Oxford hardcore
http://img3.imageshack.us/img3/7559/oxfordhardcorexlchainlo.jpg (http://img3.imageshack.us/my.php?image=oxfordhardcorexlchainlo.jpg)
Oxford Bruteforce
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Front Wheel; Motrax Guvna (only one!)
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Also told insurance company bike has no security on it what so ever and is parked outside in back garden. (was no difference in money to having it locked in a brick garage)
this on a CBR125 mind! il use the same when i get my SV650s
lazymanc
06-04-09, 12:11 AM
Also told insurance company bike has no security on it what so ever and is parked outside in back garden. (was no difference in money to having it locked in a brick garage)
this on a CBR125 mind! il use the same when i get my SV650s
Wish I'd done that :(
Ceri JC
06-04-09, 02:41 PM
I've looked at the anti-pinch pin and am worried that it could be sawn through more easily than a chain could be cropped.
I agree that it probably could, particularly on the padlock end. The other end would be a bit harder to do. I think this weakness is largely mitigated by:
1. Putting the bike leaning towards the wall and put the chain tight enough that it would be exceedingly fiddly to get an angle to cut it on the "weak" side.
2. Unless someone had hydraulic cutters/a big angle grinder (in which case the chain becomes a moot point anyway), you'd take quite a while to hacksaw through it (too thick for most hand croppers).
Both of these would increase the amount of time to steal it to longer than it would take to remove the wheel (which is the alternative chaining point).
yorkie_chris
06-04-09, 03:02 PM
If the anti pinch pin has been case hardened to a reasonable depth then it would be a real PITA to hacksaw. I believe almax do a good job of surface treating their chains so wouldn't expect a shoddy through-hardening job on the pins either.
Jamiebridges123
07-04-09, 08:09 PM
If you're out and about, a couple of disklocks would suffice. If you're away for any amount of time or leaving your bike in public for the day, you can just lock it up to a bike rack or something.
At home, ground anchor and alarmable disclocks. Normal alarm is pretty much for peace of mind. They take about £20 off your insurance and unless you have something like a CBR600rr.. in which case they take about £2500 (in my case! :D)
appollo1
12-04-09, 11:18 PM
3886
Tie your bike to one of these - my dog = 52kg of teeth and muscle.
yorkie_chris
12-04-09, 11:28 PM
Gorgeous dog there appolo.
A friend of mine once walked into his garage (part of the house) in a morning to find a would-be tea leaf on the floor in a puddle of pi$$. His 10 stone rottweiler sat on the guys chest with its teeth about 2" away from his nose ... slobbering and snarling a lot.
The police nicked the lad and they found in the interview he'd been there on the garage floor nearly 6 hours after breaking in through the window and being knocked flat by the hound before he could get out again!
Best line to the coppers "I should have fed the c##t to him... but that's a pedigree dog and I don't want him catching owt..."
3886
Tie your bike to one of these - my dog = 52kg of teeth and muscle.
That is so much like our old dog. Gorgeous fella there. Proper big boy at 52 kilos too. Very effective deterrent.
<--- Our new dog is bigger and heavier, but far too stupid, dopey and cowardly to be any use whatsoever. He doesn't even look scary :(
Ceri JC
13-04-09, 10:59 AM
If the anti pinch pin has been case hardened to a reasonable depth then it would be a real PITA to hacksaw. I believe almax do a good job of surface treating their chains so wouldn't expect a shoddy through-hardening job on the pins either.
Almax are considering making something similar, the existing APP is made by this lot: http://www.torc-anchors.com/
That is a quality line by your mate about the dog, BTW :D
chiefrick
14-04-09, 10:12 PM
http://www.alternativesecurity.org.uk/catalog/images/5047%20disc%20lock%20thatcham.jpg
I got one of these for when I'm at work, and an alarm too. Don't use it at home,as I've two dogs to keep me informed if theres somebody there....however if I did catch someone, if i lobbed this at em,its so big and heavy its likely to give them a large indentation of the cranium :-)
when i bought mine it was thatcham approved, and expensive. They do a couple of different ones I think, as this ones a few yrs old. Think they do an alarmed one too
and if its as good as this chain is, its good enough for me
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ArSWkXW4kc&feature=related
Dizzy - Would you be able to tell me where you bought this from? I did some searching but just kept on bringing up US websites?
Ta!
xXBADGERXx
19-04-09, 09:55 AM
Somehow I doubt they'd take the time to carefully unbolt your down pipe. Hacksaw~2 minutes, little noise lol.
I think Dangerouslydave recomended feeding the chain through ya rear wheel and swingyarm.
Rear Wheel unbolted , bike slid out of chain , rear wheel put back in with spindle , bike wheeled away .
Dave20046
19-04-09, 10:07 AM
Rear Wheel unbolted , bike slid out of chain , rear wheel put back in with spindle , bike wheeled away .
like around the pivot I think or through the wheel and the swingarm...hmm not sure
xXBADGERXx
19-04-09, 10:15 AM
My only problem with this is the way my bike is parked , only have room to ride in and reverse out , So I would end up stubbing a foot on a ground anchor and lobbing my bike on the deck , has to be front for my ground anchor for the time being . Plan is to dig up my pathway and re-do the concrete and extend it sideways and sink an Anchor into the floor so that it is flush mounted , I can then chain the bike up in a better fashion :)
lazymanc
19-04-09, 11:43 AM
Rear Wheel unbolted , bike slid out of chain , rear wheel put back in with spindle , bike wheeled away .
As long as you pass the chain so that one length goes through the wheel and the other stays outside of it, then without cutting the chain there's no way to take the wheel away. I think that would be enough to put most opportunists off, although it won't stop someone who really wants it and has the proper tools there and then.
xXBADGERXx
19-04-09, 01:56 PM
As long as you pass the chain so that one length goes through the wheel and the other stays outside of it, then without cutting the chain there's no way to take the wheel away. I think that would be enough to put most opportunists off, although it won't stop someone who really wants it and has the proper tools there and then.
They can still drag the bike out of the chain leaving the wheel behind , 3 guys could easily hold a bike up long enough to be turfed into the back of a van .... they ain`t gonna give 2 hoots about the rear wheel in the grand scheme of things .
missyburd
19-04-09, 03:02 PM
http://forums.sv650.org/image.php?u=8330&dateline=1239747371
Can't argue with that, you'd be a fool to get in the way of these gnashers :-D
http://img134.imageshack.us/img134/7817/p6021689.jpg
xXBADGERXx
19-04-09, 03:05 PM
Easy to get them out of the way , you have a mate dressed in a padded suit and get him to run past the house . EVERY video I have seen of somebody doing that ALWAYS has a German Shepherd attatched to one arm ........... unbelievable :)
missyburd
19-04-09, 03:18 PM
Easy to get them out of the way , you have a mate dressed in a padded suit and get him to run past the house . EVERY video I have seen of somebody doing that ALWAYS has a German Shepherd attatched to one arm ........... unbelievable :)
Lol, that's not going to work if the dog lives inside the house Badge dear. :p
lazymanc
19-04-09, 03:56 PM
They can still drag the bike out of the chain leaving the wheel behind , 3 guys could easily hold a bike up long enough to be turfed into the back of a van .... they ain`t gonna give 2 hoots about the rear wheel in the grand scheme of things .
Aye but if it's someone looking to knick it to joy ride like they did with mine then they wouldn't bother if it meant leaving a wheel - if it's an organised gang then they'll most likely have tools capable of cutting most chains anyway.
xXBADGERXx
19-04-09, 06:39 PM
Aye but if it's someone looking to knick it to joy ride like they did with mine then they wouldn't bother if it meant leaving a wheel - if it's an organised gang then they'll most likely have tools capable of cutting most chains anyway.
Granted , I treat security like a Professional gang is going after it , that way I have done the best I can and if they do get it , it`s insured and I`ll get another one and suffer the extra costs etc
my view is... if they want it they can have it..
i would not risk my dogs (if i had one) or my life for something of material value.. you can always get another bike...
locks are for honest people...
yes i chain my bike up to stop the would-bees but any professional bike thieve will have it, no matter how it secured..
Jamiebridges123
22-04-09, 06:39 AM
Can't you just get another dog as well? Frankly I'd rather loose my dog than my bike.. bear in mind I two adorable little doggie-woggies and they're awesome. xD
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