View Full Version : Filtering issue? was it my fault?
AndyBrad
28-11-08, 05:41 PM
Grrr filtering up to the m62 tonight i found myself at the side of a car and while the traffic is moving i like to move with the traffic speed (only filter when theres stationary trafic) soo it comes to the point where im wanting to move in this guy wont let me. Matching me speed for speed. eventually i drift in and hes on my rear like 2" off it!!! really ****ng me off. I get to the round about and get away from him. So he comes burning up to my ass as im stuck in traffic and has to break hard behind me (again inches off my ass) and is then almost pushing me around the roundabout. He even tried cutting round the side before i got on the m62 just making me feel nervous.
so was it the fact that i didnt anticipate him make him mad or was it something else that the guy of the silver focus reg yj03gbe got so angry about?
On a plus note it was standing traffic on the m way so i got some filtering pactice in and i could stop at his window and scream your a fing tosser at him which made me feel better :)
so filtering tips? andhow to avoid a situation like this again please:~)
Whoosh!
You know what this place could use?
A spellchecker
:lol:
I know you're het up mate, but it's a bit of a struggle
i would have just let him past and pulled over if you felt uncomfortable, maybe if they dont let you past just stay back untill you can get a long run from him!!
Stop
Get off
Walk to car window
When its down, take keys, run back to bike, ride off :lol:
Actually, i wouldn't, but I would have slowed down and turned and looked and made the "get any closer and im gonna tear you a new ******* with a baseball bat" look.
too many spelling mistakes for my liking
Mr Speirs
28-11-08, 05:50 PM
I think ive got the general gist. Its pretty hard to read when you miss out quite a few consonants. :)
So you were filtering through stationary traffic when it started moving to match your speed?
Personally I find if a driver has an issue with me filtering and is being an **** ill just to a bit more filtering and get away from them. (obviously ensuring it's not dangerous)
Just me though. :)
Grrr filtering up to the m62 tonight i found myself at the side of a car and while immoving i like to move ith th traic speed (only filter hen theres stationary trafic) soo it comes to he point where im wanting to move n this guy wont let me. matc m speed for speed. eentually drift in and hes on my rear like 2" off it!!! really ****ng me off. i get to the round about and get away from him. so he omes burning up to my ass as im stuck in traffic and has to break hard behind me (again inches off my ass) and is then almost pushin me around the roundabout. even tried cutting round the side before i got on the m62 just making me feel nervous.
so was i he fact that i didnt anticipate him make him mad or was it something else that the guy of the silver focus reg yj03gbe got so angry about?
On a plus note it was standing traffic on the m way so i got some filtering pactice in and i could stop at his window and scream your a fing tosser at him which made me feel better :)
so filtering tips? andhow to avoid a situation like this again please:~)
:confused:
Mr Speirs
28-11-08, 05:53 PM
hovis - :)
sv_rory
28-11-08, 06:12 PM
I hate people like that, i would have put my fist through his window, then he would have something to moan about
ethariel
28-11-08, 06:17 PM
I hate people like that, i would have put my fist through his window, then he would have something to moan about
+1
AndyBrad
28-11-08, 06:19 PM
too many spelling mistakes for my liking
im crap but my keyboard is having a bad day as ell. << see missing letters :)
madness
28-11-08, 06:28 PM
Funny that this should happen after last nights thread about filtering. I'm afraid that it's a sad fact that filtering really annoys some drivers. Perhaps they are frustrated at being held up in traffic and that bikes are not held up as much. I just think we all need to be aware that we can without doing any wrong get into situations like this. We should avoid situations of road rage because pretty much everything is bigger and heavier than we are. We will come off worse.
too many spelling mistakes for my liking
H you are a complete hypocrite:D
Generally - better to back off than risk an accident but I think on balance the car driver was a to$$er.
H you are a complete hypocrite:D
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i no
jimmy-james
28-11-08, 09:36 PM
Generally - better to back off than risk an accident but I think on balance the car driver was a to$$er.
+1 i have had them before its the feeling of being invincible in a car where you are all nice and safe, they soon cower in shame when you get off your bike and walk up to them in all your gear looking menacing and there is no escape.
I find calm be-littleing (word?) talk works better in these situations rather than angry fighting talk which can get you into trouble. The fact is motorists always have to have the last word even when its glaringly obvious they are wrong.
so filtering tips? andhow to avoid a situation like this again please:~)
Yup, next time, when he's matching you speed for speed, close the throttle. Let them pass you, and they won't be angry with you. That way, when you got on the M62, you can look out for his car, and give him a cheery wave as you sail past nice & calmly. :D
Stop
Get off
Walk to car window
When its down, take keys, run back to bike, ride off :lol:
I know someone that did similar. Only it all happened at circa 70mph on the A55. Well, the pr*cks window was wound down - so my mate reached in, turned the keys, yanked them out, then threw them on the floor.
Wish I'd been there to witness that one. :lol:
I just think we all need to be aware that we can without doing any wrong get into situations like this. We should avoid situations of road rage because pretty much everything is bigger and heavier than we are. We will come off worse.
+1. Bike vs anything with more than 2 wheels - bike looses.
Generally - better to back off than risk an accident but I think on balance the car driver was a to$$er.
+1 on both points.
yorkie_chris
29-11-08, 02:15 PM
Why not just hop forward another couple of cars and get in there? He's annoyed because you "shoved" your way in, car driver doesn't have to make room for you.
If you upset another road user I think you have to accept that you did something wrong. Sounds like you cut in on him. so you should either have kept filtering longer and found a gap in front or eased off and found a gap behind.
If you're really not that confident perhaps you shouldn't be filtering at all.
But me, I couldn't cope with as im stuck in traffic so I filter at any speed
joshmac
29-11-08, 11:45 PM
But me, I couldn't cope with so I filter at any speed
Ohhhh yes! ;)
northwind
30-11-08, 02:01 AM
Grrr filtering up to the m62 tonight i found myself at the side of a car and while the traffic is moving i like to move with the traffic speed (only filter when theres stationary trafic) soo it comes to the point where im wanting to move in this guy wont let me.
I don't get it- you were filtering, and you were moving, but you only filter when the traffic's stationary :confused: Were you lane splitting, but still riding beside someone?
Regardless, you should never ever be thinking "This guy won't let me in", if you need someone to let you in you've messed up fairly big, when filtering- when riding in general- you don't ever want to rely on anyone else doing as you want or as you expect. If you want to move in, find a gap, or make one, don't wait for someone else to make one. Filtering especially, you can never afford to be passive.
Dicky Ticker
30-11-08, 10:20 AM
For every good there is a bad,I have found many drivers who move over a little to let me pass but the ones who don't have no requirement to and you should remember you are the overtaking vehicle therefore the safety issue is yours.
Arrogant riding provokes irresponsible retaliation and although we may not think we are being arrogant it may appear so to the other party
AndyBrad
30-11-08, 11:13 AM
cheers for the tips guys. Yea i think i was in the wrong because i handnt anticipated the fancy that i couldnt get in ahead of te traffic.
Whats lane splitting though? Also if you have a line of statioary traffic and theres a buss lane on the left is it ok to use that to filter? or is it better to use the other side and face oncomming traffic? (really will i get done if i use the bus lane?)
yorkie_chris
30-11-08, 11:15 AM
Just use the bus lane but not past coppers, and watch out for spastic pedestrians and cars turning in.
Bus lane is good because it gives you more space which = time to react.
northwind
30-11-08, 12:53 PM
Whats lane splitting though? Also if you have a line of statioary traffic and theres a buss lane on the left is it ok to use that to filter? or is it better to use the other side and face oncomming traffic? (really will i get done if i use the bus lane?)
Lane splitting is just another way of saying filtering- riding between 2 lanes. I used it because it seemed like you were saying you were between 2 lanes, but not actually making progress.
I use the bus lanes all the time. You can be legal and squeeze along the side of the cars or use the offside lane, or you can be safer and use the bus lane. For me the law is a consideration but it won't stop me from doing the most sensible thing. Especially when every study of allowing motorbikes in bus lanes has been positive. You do need to watch for frustrated drivers suddenly pulling into the bus lane though, they often won't look for a motorbike because, well, it's not a motorbike lane. And that'd be a bit of a tricky insurance claim!
But I did get caught and fined once- to be honest it was still cheap, I was saving 10 minutes a day on that commute in the bus lanes so getting fined £40 after a year was no big deal :mrgreen:
I know someone that did similar. Only it all happened at circa 70mph on the A55. Well, the pr*cks window was wound down - so my mate reached in, turned the keys, yanked them out, then threw them on the floor.
Wish I'd been there to witness that one. :lol:
I call BS on that one.
sv_rory
30-11-08, 05:17 PM
I call BS on that one.
+1 lol
joshmac
30-11-08, 06:46 PM
+1 lol
Add me to the list :D (although I guess it's possible)
That would be scary for the driver, as without the keys the steering lock would click on :shock: :p
I had a filtering issue today, there was gridlock between Oxford and Bicester, so I was nicely filtering along just under 20, a few made way, a few didn't, but one swerved out and blocked me completely.. Once traffic got moving again, I managed to get along side him, followed by him sitting on his horn for about 10 seconds and pushing me over. Tw4t.
I got past and then in front of him, stopped, turned the bike off, put it on the stand, and approached him asking if there was something he'd like to talk about. Apparently not.
So sorry to people going oxford to bicester, but I'm sure it didn't make that much difference as traffic wasn't going far!
Speedy Claire
30-11-08, 07:45 PM
Filtering tips would be if (as you say) he made you feel nervous then leave him to it, take a deep breath and just back off!!
Filtering tips would be if (as you say) he made you feel nervous then leave him to it, take a deep breath and just back off!!
This is what I'd usually do, but I'm too nice far too often :smt072
vardypeeps
01-12-08, 01:13 PM
Not your fault buddy there are too many people like that. I tend to filter and then when traffic is moving spot the nearest big gap and pop in there.
Even if the car did not make room by slowing down for me (the gap was there already) I will still stick my hand up to say thanks.
The best thing is to wait till a gap appears in front as your looking ahead then and can see oncoming traffic as well as your gap forming. End of the day there is always someone who is slow to speed up in there car.
That guy in the focus sounds like one of the numpties that navigate the M62 often. Just be careful and keep checking all around and in your mirrors.
DONT FORGET YOUR LIFESAVER'S
If "they" are sitting right on your backside, drop speed down by 10 mph and build a larger gap between you and car in front to give yourself more reaction time if the car in front brakes suddenly. If you have to jam your brakes on to avoid hitting him, someone sitting on your bumper will hit you, whereas if you can slow gently, much more chance of not being hit.
Usually, this means the car behind takes the hint and backs off as well.
all this is how i have been riding for just gone a year and hardly ever filter - haha the times i don't round cardiff and other bikes pass me filtering i see there shaking heads of shame for me. am going to make it my a priority to get more practice in with the ol filtering for sure.
SoulKiss
01-12-08, 04:10 PM
There is only ONE rule of filtering.
no, its not that you dont talk about filtering. :mrgreen:
Its that you only do what you are comfortable with.
So if you dont feel like it, dont do it, just dont block the guy behind you from getting through.
Well I guess thats actually 2 rules, what with the dont block anyone else.
I call BS on that one.
+2 It sounds possible (just) but so so dangerous to both parties that it is completely inexcusable if it happened.
Whatever the car driver did, that retaliation (if it really happened, not saying you're lying Baph but your mate may be exagerating) is stupid, dangerous and unlawful.
Back on topic, Andybrad, as Northwind said, you shouldn't rely on car drivers to let you in. You make your own space to go back in to by slowing down or speeding up. I can't really envisage being trapped by a car, why not just speed up and get away from him :smt115
BBadger
01-12-08, 05:10 PM
Ah car drivers get to grumpy over silly things.
Coming back from soho one guy didnt want to let me past, so nudged his car forward, i did the same and so he went for the gap seeing i wasnt giving up ( between 2 double decker buses ) it was only about 2m's wide and he lost both wings.:smt019:mrgreen:
Let them make their own mistakes and just back off a tad is the best thing!
SoulKiss
01-12-08, 05:19 PM
Ah car drivers get to grumpy over silly things.
Coming back from soho one guy didnt want to let me past, so nudged his car forward, i did the same and so he went for the gap seeing i wasnt giving up ( between 2 double decker buses ) it was only about 2m's wide and he lost both wings.:smt019:mrgreen:
Let them make their own mistakes and just back off a tad is the best thing!
THAT is why Helmet-cams should be mandatory :)
BBadger
01-12-08, 05:22 PM
Ino i didnt even take a pic on the phone, although i was on the floor crying with laughter as he screamed abuse at me!
Dont argue with buses kids :smt115
joshmac
01-12-08, 06:22 PM
THAT is why Helmet-cams should be mandatory :)
+1
That would have been hilarious to see :D
sv_rory
02-12-08, 12:46 AM
I had a filtering issue today, there was gridlock between Oxford and Bicester, so I was nicely filtering along just under 20, a few made way, a few didn't, but one swerved out and blocked me completely.. Once traffic got moving again, I managed to get along side him, followed by him sitting on his horn for about 10 seconds and pushing me over. Tw4t.
I got past and then in front of him, stopped, turned the bike off, put it on the stand, and approached him asking if there was something he'd like to talk about. Apparently not.
So sorry to people going oxford to bicester, but I'm sure it didn't make that much difference as traffic wasn't going far!
funny you say that, a very similar thing happened to me but for some strange reason the kid was laughing with his mate in the car when he did it. i started to laugh when his mirror was in the road and him and his mate looked like they were going to cry.
at least he wont do that to a biker again
hiya,
sounds a little bit like what happened to me last year, going to, funny enough the NEC bike show....
my lovely car driver just totaly lost it..........
just back off and let him have his bad day...
oh the number of times i thought of carrying a few nuts and bolts in my pocket....
DanAbnormal
02-12-08, 11:07 AM
The thing is backing off could mean car behind you runs you over. I had this once on the M3. AMG Merc right up my **** so I back off and he doesn't. So two choices, I move over or get run over. Having to pull over but surviving is a good result. Being morally in the right and dead is not a good result, just get away from them any way you can. In that situation I just try and get far away from teh car (okay I actually end up smashing wing mirrors but not something I would advise) :)
yorkie_chris
02-12-08, 11:48 AM
And the easiest and safest way to get out of the cars way is to open throttle. If you back off you haven't got near as good visibility behind you as that's where you're effectively moving relative to traffic around you.
The more I think about it, the more I think that sitting in between lanes at same speed as cages is a really bad idea.
The thing is backing off could mean car behind you runs you over.
Its the IAM recommended tactic. I don't guarantee it will always work, but if hes paying so little attention he'll probably hit you anyway. Unless you have a pillion with tyre iron to bounce off his bonnet.....
yorkie_chris
02-12-08, 12:24 PM
Ehhhh?
What's point of backing off? Unless there is absolutely no gap to go through (then you have no option), you should usually go forward... otherwise you're going to be stuck behind whatever c0ck who was causing the problem, and you'll still need to get past him!
IAM just recommend sitting in traffic behind somebody who doesn't like you or what?
Also do they understand just how f##king dodgy it is to be SAT STILL in between lanes with cars going past on either side?!?
Ehhhh?
What's point of backing off? Unless there is absolutely no gap to go through (then you have no option), you should usually go forward... otherwise you're going to be stuck behind whatever c0ck who was causing the problem, and you'll still need to get past him!
IAM just recommend sitting in traffic behind somebody who doesn't like you or what?
(don't take me as an official IAM spokesman or anything..I'm not even a qualified observer!)
Because it all depends on exact circumstance. IAM will NOT recommend breaking the speed limit, or filtering at over 20 mph. They do like to "make progress" and filtering past slow traffic, where its safe, is part of that.
Also do they understand just how f##king dodgy it is to be SAT STILL in between lanes with cars going past on either side?!?Where did that come from?
If cars are going past you on both sides, something has gone seriously wrong with your riding. The only time I am sat still between 2 lanes of traffic is at traffic lights where I will pull away and into one of the lanes ahead of the cars.
yorkie_chris
02-12-08, 12:36 PM
You just said the IAM recommend backing off, and if you're already keeping pace with traffic trying to get into a gap rather than finding your own... then backing off will mean your speed will drop below that of traffic.
You just said the IAM recommend backing off, and if you're already keeping pace with traffic trying to get into a gap rather than finding your own... then backing off will mean your speed will drop below that of traffic.
Ahh, misunderstanding there then.
If the guy is right on your backside, then I am assuming you are in the middle of (your / a) lane, so backing off slows him down, doesn't let him get past on the inside.
If your on the white line and he has closed your gap off, then you have no real choice but to go forward faster, or switch into outside lane. If your lucky, outside car behind you will have noticed fluffhead blocking you and let you in the outside lane.
isn't that the guide line so that you then have room to manouvere in front of you. don't think they mean back off as to slow down all the traffic in that lane. either way i don't think car drivers are aware at just how easy it wopuld be for anyone ona bike to be nudged off and maybe go under a bus annnnd none of them know that filtering is leaglly acceptable - i can't remember in my car test ever being told about waht to do when you have motrobikes filtering (was 10 yra ago mind).
also someone called apache just emailed my work email on this topic which got blocked due to profanities.
hiya,
sounds a little bit like what happened to me last year, going to, funny enough the NEC bike show....
my lovely car driver just totaly lost it..........
just back off and let him have his bad day...
oh the number of times i thought of carrying a few nuts and bolts in my pocket....
okay let me say this again, propley i hope.
just back off and let him have his bad day...
move away from him / change to the furthest lane from him..
get at liest one car between you and him..
put your self in a safe place ......... we dont want idiots like him infront or behind us..( or any where Fxxxing near me )
let him tail gate a truck or hopefully a nutter like him....[-o<
joshmac
02-12-08, 01:40 PM
i can't remember in my car test ever being told about waht to do when you have motrobikes filtering (was 10 yra ago mind).
They say you should just keep driving as normal so you don't surprise the rider and make him do something irrational.
Although if I'm driving I will normally pull over a bit to make it easier to get past, but I think this is because I ride and filter myself.
I know most of my non-biker mates couldn't give a toss if you get past or not. :smt019:smt072
The advice I got from IAM in the tailgating situation was to gradually slow down, so as to increase the minimum braking distance (2 seconds, dry) in front of bike to include the braking distance that the vehicle behind needs. This then allows bike to brake over a longer period if needed and thus safer. Once the required braking distance for bike x2, (for the tailgater) has been achieved, bike can safely use it's greater accellation to increase the gap behind. If tailgater re-offends, then repeat. The message usually gets through. If not, it's often safer to allow tailgater to pass, as you have complete control over the space in front. At some point tailgater will be blocked and bike can then safely filter around tailgater and the car one ahead, thus giving yourself the safety margins.
The IAM group I am with did not "teach" filtering per say. Filtering is broken down as a series of overtakes where each one is observed to have a place to return to the flow, of course you may not use the first observed gap as another overtake opportunity has become possible.
The IAM as a corporate body cannot be seen to be promoting the breaking of the law, and it's because of this that many people get the impression that the IAM membership is composed of finger wagging, pipe and slipper types. Yes, there are these people and unfortunatly some of them end up as the observers (not mine thankfully). The vast majority of the membership (well at least all members that I have met) will bend some laws, but will do so using the riding plan and observational skills they have aquired from other riders.
Luckypants
02-12-08, 03:30 PM
The IAM group I am with did not "teach" filtering per say. Filtering is broken down as a series of overtakes where each one is observed to have a place to return to the flow, of course you may not use the first observed gap as another overtake opportunity has become possible.
Filtering is NOT illegal and therefore the IAM can safely promote it.
Filtering is NOT illegal and therefore the IAM can safely promote it.
I agree, but when I asked about filtering the response was "we cover that under overtaking as it's just a series of them" It's probably promoted that way so it sinks in as just that and not as a separate skill to be learned.
DanAbnormal
02-12-08, 05:19 PM
I agree, but when I asked about filtering the response was "we cover that under overtaking as it's just a series of them" It's probably promoted that way so it sinks in as just that and not as a separate skill to be learned.
It could also be classed as undertaking on a 2 or 3 lane M'way. ;)
I agree, but when I asked about filtering the response was "we cover that under overtaking as it's just a series of them" It's probably promoted that way so it sinks in as just that and not as a separate skill to be learned.
Very strange IAM group :roll:
joshmac
02-12-08, 06:34 PM
It could also be classed as undertaking on a 2 or 3 lane M'way. ;)
:smt019 Thanks Mr Pedantic ;):p
What speed would filtering become undertaking/ dangerous riding in the eyes of a traffic copper?
yorkie_chris
02-12-08, 06:35 PM
Depends on the copper.
joshmac
02-12-08, 06:44 PM
Depends on the copper.
Mmmm s'pose
Was just wondering about high speed filtering (OK snail speed for some ;)), say if traffic's doing 50ish and you're going 65.
Still within the 15mph difference, and under the 70mph speed limit.. would that be seen by some coppers as reckless? Would you get a tug if there were in a bad mood?
Mmmm s'pose
Was just wondering about high speed filtering (OK snail speed for some ;)), say if traffic's doing 50ish and you're going 65.
Still within the 15mph difference, and under the 70mph speed limit.. would that be seen by some coppers as reckless? Would you get a tug if there were in a bad mood?
I quite enjoyed doing that a few times. The thing you have to watch out for is when traffic is slowed but flowing, people will change lanes to try and gain a couple of inches, so be wary. I never came across plod when I was doing it, and now I don't do it anyway. :p
Mmmm s'pose
Was just wondering about high speed filtering (OK snail speed for some ;)), say if traffic's doing 50ish and you're going 65.
Still within the 15mph difference, and under the 70mph speed limit.. would that be seen by some coppers as reckless? Would you get a tug if there were in a bad mood?
I was doing no more than 85 when an unmarked decided he didn't like me filtering at that speed, but I guess that since I slowed down almost imeadiately he was happy enough not to stop me.
But the rule is more like up to 20mph faster than traffic going up to 20mph so that = upto 40mph max.
yeah right :roll: :smt083
joshmac
02-12-08, 08:24 PM
I was doing no more than 85 when an unmarked decided he didn't like me filtering at that speed, but I guess that since I slowed down almost imeadiately he was happy enough not to stop me.
But the rule is more like up to 20mph faster than traffic going up to 20mph so that = upto 40mph max.
yeah right :roll: :smt083
So he just put on the blues and twos for a few seconds then, until you slowed down? How kind :D
Yeah 40 max...
Obviously officer Stu was referring to filtering down his congested private runway through the rush hour ;):p
Mmmm s'pose
Was just wondering about high speed filtering (OK snail speed for some ;)), say if traffic's doing 50ish and you're going 65.
Still within the 15mph difference, and under the 70mph speed limit.. would that be seen by some coppers as reckless? Would you get a tug if there were in a bad mood?
IIRC filtering was made legal by precedence in case law, where a motorbike was filtering past traffic, a car pulled out and hit him. The (high court) judge in the case said something along the lines of it was legal for the motorbike to go past a row of stationary or slow moving cars.
Someone with a better memory can try and find out exactly how (think its in MCN archives?), but short answer is you'll be done for careless or dangerous at that speed.
but short answer is you'll be done for careless or dangerous at that speed.
Err ... no you won't.
Possibly you could yes, but the proper attitude dealing with the Police before & after you get stopped will hopefully & realistically get you let off with something much lighter.
KnightRider
03-12-08, 03:32 PM
i like to move with the traffic speed (only filter when theres stationary trafic)
Dont shoot me down for this as it is just my personal feeling, but on a motorway I feel more exposed and in danger traveling through non-moving/stationary traffic than when filtering past moving traffic. If the cars are stopped then I figure there is more chance of one of them turning at full lock and turning across the lane into a gap rather quickly (or even putting their nose across the lane to get the front corner of the car into a gap).
When riding through moving traffic position changes with cars tend to be a lot slower (ie at a smaller angle) so spotting cars changing lane is easier and you have more thinking time to brake, stop or swerve.
The net result is that I filter slower (compared to other vehicle speed) when going through non-moving traffic than moving traffic.
What is everyone elses view?
Dont shoot me down for this as it is just my personal feeling, but on a motorway I feel more exposed and in danger traveling through non-moving/stationary traffic than when filtering past moving traffic. If the cars are stopped then I figure there is more chance of one of them turning at full lock and turning across the lane into a gap rather quickly (or even putting their nose across the lane to get the front corner of the car into a gap).
When riding through moving traffic position changes with cars tend to be a lot slower (ie at a smaller angle) so spotting cars changing lane is easier and you have more thinking time to brake, stop or swerve.
The net result is that I filter slower (compared to other vehicle speed) when going through non-moving traffic than moving traffic.
What is everyone elses view?
I am the same. I tend to filter slowly anyhow, but on a motorway I am far more cauious when the traffic's at a stand still...
KnightRider
03-12-08, 03:40 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think that sitting in between lanes at same speed as cages is a really bad idea.
I agree - either sit behind a car in the centre of your lane or filter past it. Dont sit between lanes at the same speed as the traffic.
There are several reasons:
1 - you risk cars on your left and right overtaking/undertaking you and as you have minimal visibility behind you it puts you at risk
2 - traffic behind you will most likely not leave proper stopping distance between them and you as they will be looking to the car in front of them
3 - there is a higher risk of being in someones blind spot
4 - you are blocking the centre for any other bikes that want to get through
Overall I cant see any benefits, except maybe increased visibility of cars in front of you but you can get that from moving slightly left or right in your lane.
KnightRider
03-12-08, 03:46 PM
I am the same. I tend to filter slowly anyhow, but on a motorway I am far more cauious when the traffic's at a stand still...
Of course you also have to take into account that drivers sat in non-moving traffic tend to be more anxious and wound up so they tend to make quicker and less planned decisions.
We have all been there: your sat in traffic not moving, the left lane seems to be moving slightly faster than your lane and the volvo in the left lane has left a bit of a gap between it and the other car, so you put full lock on and accelerate across the lane to stick your car into that gap.
BANG
The bike filtering through the traffic hits you.
joshmac
03-12-08, 05:59 PM
IIRC filtering was made legal by precedence in case law, where a motorbike was filtering past traffic, a car pulled out and hit him. The (high court) judge in the case said something along the lines of it was legal for the motorbike to go past a row of stationary or slow moving cars.
Someone with a better memory can try and find out exactly how (think its in MCN archives?), but short answer is you'll be done for careless or dangerous at that speed.
In that case, don't worry about it mate :lol: ;)
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