View Full Version : Scottoiler pros & cons
BanannaMan
29-11-08, 02:13 AM
I've been thinking about fixxing a Scottoiler to the SV.
While I usually ride 200 to 300 miles each ride and clean and lube the chain prior....
It would be nice on a weekend trip, not lubing the chain nightly in the Hotel car park, and great for rainy weather as well.
My question is....
What do you like about the Scottoiler ????
OR
What do you NOT like about the Scottoiler????
Also...
Anyone tried any of the other (electric) chain oiler's such as Pro-oiler, Loobman, or the Cameleon ????
I've had scottoilers on both my bikes. Once set up they do the job of keeping tha chail lubed and they seem to last for ever.
HOWEVER.
A scott-oiler only lubes your chain (OK and cleans it a bit) but is NOT a substitute for chain maintenance.
When you're on your knees cleaning and lubing your chain you'll also notice any stiff links, condition of rear sprocket, general adjustment, that massive crack in the swing-arm, funny bulge in the sidewall of the tyre etc etc. Problem with a scott-oiler is that because you don't have to get down there with the lube (Calm down) it is too easy to forget about it. You then get something break and end up with your well lubed chain wrapped around the stump where your left fool used to live.
Would I fit another one YES.
Would I recommend one YES.
Would I suggest a manual clean-up and even lube once in a while YES.
But most importantly just because you have a scott-oiler don't forget to look after your chain.
Oh and having had both I would go for the single injector option over the dual injector option as suprisingly I got far better results with the single than I do with the dual.
I'm sure someone with a more respected opinion will be along shortly.
Pretty much what Mark has said.
But I always check the running gear anyway. Some may not.
Scott oiler all the way for me.
I'll back up what Mark says as well.
I'm not a big fan of other brands of automatic oilers - none of them seem to do the job as well as a Scottoiler, some are more complex and require wiring in to the electrics, some require you to squeeze a bottle every 50 miles or so. The Scottoiler is cheap, easy to fit, extremely effective and reliable. Like Mark says, you still need to check the chain and surrounding area now and then - I do this when I'm cleaning what little fling the Scottoiler leaves on the rear wheel
ethariel
29-11-08, 09:36 AM
I'm a lazy git, fill up scottoiler, ave a quick glance each day when i get into work, if its wet then there is still oil in the tube, if not then its time to fill it up. 20k and chain only ever adjusted twice (and both times were during a service).
Dicky Ticker
29-11-08, 10:23 AM
I agree with what has been stated wholeheartedly. Finding the right flow setting is very important as I have seen some bikes with the rear rims completely covered in crap from the oiler,so if it is going on the rim surely a percentage is also going on the tyre.
Me,I prefer the old Wurth chain lube but as my bike has a centre stand the lubing presents no problem where as if I only had a side stand I think it would be a definite yes for fitting an oiler
pencil shavings
29-11-08, 10:38 AM
mine makes alot of mess and I cant seem to get it at the right flow rate, even on the lowest setting.
Dangerous Dave
29-11-08, 11:50 AM
+ 1 for Mark's comments too.
Many people fit a Scottoiler and expect it to do all the work, it doesn't.
fizzwheel
29-11-08, 12:11 PM
Fantastic bit of kit, I want to fit one on Liz's Duke but its a PIA to do it on the 749. On long rideouts or biking trips its invaluable. No messing about with chain lube.
But like the others have said in theres no substitute for regular chain cleaning / maintenance. It's definately not a case of fit and forget.
ridelikeaturtle
29-11-08, 01:43 PM
+1 what Mark_h posted. The Scottoiler works really well and it's operation is simple.
I've also used a Motrax Lubetronic and found it equally good. It costs the same as a Scottoiler.
* In fact, the mounting of the Lubetronic wasn't as fiddly as the Scottoiler - the oil drops directly down onto the chain just in front of the rear sprocket, there's no injector riding on the rear sprocket.
* The Lubetronic reservoir required less frequent filling, possibly because of the tubing being of a smaller diameter, which maybe is possible because its an electronic pump and not a vacuum-operated pump, it has more pressure so can use a smaller tube (?)
* The Lubetronic has a remote refill tube, so you can mount the pump/reservoir within the rear fairing and the fill tube only needs to be exposed to where you can get it.
* Being electric it does add one more thing to the charging system. Wiring in a relay-controlled distribution block accommodates this and makes installation easier, but again it's not as easy as the Scottoiler.
* The Lubetronic has a digital controller for the flow rate, making the adjustment just slightly easier than the Scottoiler.
Whatever you go for, it's worth it if you ride more than just the occasional weekend blast.
yorkie_chris
29-11-08, 03:26 PM
Mine's turned up pretty high, with old engine oil and chainsaw oil mix. I use quite a high flow, about 750 miles to the res, and it does a fair job of cleaning the chain.
I don't do anything else to the chain.
You shouldn't need chain maintenence to make you check your tyres and other stuff over, most of the stuff that's going to come loose isn't going to jump out at you, shock mountings and the like you really have to get under the bike to check.
mark_h why would a well lubed chain get stuff links anyway? That's usually a symptom of neglect which you don't get with use and an auto-oiler.
Used engine oil is free.
The mist keeps my left boot waterproof :-P
-ve side to it is some people don't like any oil splatter, I couldn't care less.
Sid Squid
29-11-08, 03:45 PM
As above, there really aren't any downsides to the use of a chain-oiler, the often heard complaint that they will make your bike dirty usually comes from those whose oilers are fitted or adjusted incorrectly, (of course some - Chris - don't seem to mind/care/notice :)).
skidmarx
29-11-08, 03:49 PM
I would say only go for one of your doing a lot of regular miles and need the bike for work AND you have no centrestand. It takes no time at all to lube a chain if you DO have a centrestand, and as others have said, a quick regular look-see is important to check tension and wear.
Negatives are a lot of fiddling around to set up the flow rate, which can vary with ambient temperature, and fling which can get everywhere and is a pain to clean up. Also, you have the additional risk of the feedline coming loose and lubricating.....well anywhere really, and I have seen a couple of riders who have assumed that an oiler will be a fit and forget option, but didn't have the knowledge to know that 'prime' is for getting rid of the air bubbles in the feedline and should never be used when riding :rolleyes:
I had one on an SV and it was a right pain but haven't bothered on the CBR-F. You pays your money and takes your choice.....
Do Scotty's only run when there is power going to to the bike (i.e ignition on?) so that it doesn't drip when parked?
Do they need any holes drilled for mounting (under seat etc?)
Dangerous Dave
29-11-08, 03:55 PM
Do Scotty's only run when there is power going to to the bike (i.e ignition on?) so that it doesn't drip when parked?
Aye, the work off of a vacuum so when the ignition is off the vacuum is cut and the Scottoiler stops feeding oil.
Do they need any holes drilled for mounting (under seat etc?)
No, there are usually a few holes or threaded inserts not used on the bike in various locations which can be used to mount the reservoir.
yorkie_chris
29-11-08, 03:56 PM
Cable tie it to the side of the subframe
kwak zzr
29-11-08, 04:05 PM
i don't know much about scottoilers but i filled up the woozles the other night and the reservoir didn't seem very big? don't know how long it will last? it was set on number (1) don't know what model oiler it was either.
yorkie_chris
29-11-08, 04:05 PM
About 1000 miles
Just to be clear, the Scottoiler uses gravity for the supply of oil, the vacuum connection to the inlet of the engine simply opens the valve to let the oil out of the reservoir. The flow adjustment is a tapered needle in the outlet, but the flow rate is also determined by the small bore black capillary pipe.
Just take care about mounting it and routing the pipe, and especially about positioning the delivery, and all will be well.
Seems expensive for a plastic bottle and some pipe, but in reality a lot of development has gone into getting it right in fine detail.
Basically they work. Next best thing to shaft drive. ;)
northwind
29-11-08, 04:52 PM
Ah good, a Scottoiler thread that Sid Squid's reading.
Make sure you get the dual injector, otherwise it'll only oil one side of the chain
<stands back, awaits firework display>
Nobbylad
29-11-08, 04:53 PM
Ah good, a Scottoiler thread that Sid Squid's reading.
Make sure you get the dual injector, otherwise it'll only oil one side of the chain
<stands back, awaits firework display>
True...but that only works if you've immeasurably boosted the power output with a TRE ;)
yorkie_chris
29-11-08, 05:01 PM
And lightened the bike with some stick-on carbon
Sid Squid
29-11-08, 05:10 PM
Ah good, a Scottoiler thread that Sid Squid's reading.
Make sure you get the dual injector, otherwise it'll only oil one side of the chain
<stands back, awaits firework display>
True...but that only works if you've immeasurably boosted the power output with a TRE ;)
And lightened the bike with some stick-on carbon
Get ****ed :smt019 the lot of you :).
Biker Biggles
29-11-08, 05:15 PM
If you only oil one side of the chain wont the other side wear out quicker causing it to stretch on one side only?This might result in a seriously bent chain.
northwind
29-11-08, 05:21 PM
Sounds plausible to me. Eventually you'd only be able to go in a straight line while turning right. That could be very dangerous, and also non-euclidian motoring is an offence in many countries.
And lightened the bike with some stick-on carbon
but the extra BHP from the R6 throttle mod, will even things out
Negatives are a lot of fiddling around to set up the flow rate, which can vary with ambient temperature, and fling which can get everywhere and is a pain to clean up.
Rubbish, an untrained monkey could set one up in 5 minutes - it's hardly rocket science to count the seonds between drips and turn a knob to adjust the flow. If they are properly set up they don't make a mess. I've experienced more fling from aerosol lubes. Scottoil cleans off wheels easily as it's not a sticky type of oil, a quick squirt with WD40 and a wipe from a cloth is all it takes to clean it off.
Next best thing to shaft drive. ;)
There is nothing good about a shaft drive, and plenty of bad.
Sounds plausible to me. Eventually you'd only be able to go in a straight line while turning right. That could be very dangerous, and also non-euclidian motoring is an offence in many countries.
Wouldn't the effect counter the tendency for most bike to veer to the right due to the crown in the road when riding abroad? I think it'd be great to have a chain stretched on one side only, you'd then be able to keep going in a straight line when you take your hands off the bars on the Autoroutes.
yorkie_chris
29-11-08, 07:11 PM
Why? About shaft drives that is.
If it stretched on one side would you have to keep taking it off and turning the chain inside out? :-P
fizzwheel
29-11-08, 07:20 PM
Rubbish, an untrained monkey could set one up in 5 minutes - it's hardly rocket science to count the seonds between drips and turn a knob to adjust the flow. If they are properly set up they don't make a mess.
totally agree with this it takes minutes to setup the flow rate properly. After a while you get to know when to turn down or turn up depending on the weather conditions. Personally I'd rather had a bit of fling on my bike than a dry chain and scotoiler is cheaper than new chains / sprockets are...
There is nothing good about a shaft drive, and plenty of bad.
You're right of course. I'd better get that Scotty fitted to the Deauville straight away, I was wondering why I hadn't spent any time looking at it recently. Better check the wheel alignment while I'm about it.
.....and I better do the same on the BMW too...........
What's the big deal about having a less efficient final drive system? If you can't keep the wheels aligned when adjusting a chain (on the very rare occasions that it needs adjusting with a correectly set up Scottoiler) then I feel sorry for you, that's hardly rocket science either.
Downsides to shaft drive include
A) Overpriced
B) Overweight
C) Over here.
... amongst others
mark_h why would a well lubed chain get stuff links anyway? That's usually a symptom of neglect which you don't get with use and an auto-oiler.
Component failure, road detritus wedged in link etc. Perfecly possible to get a failure of a well lubed well used chain. Far less likely than the failure of a poorly maintained chain on an irregularly used bike but I still check mine on the stand while I'm cleaning the rear wheel.
As for the uneven wear caused by a single sided injector, I just make sure I keep all the petrol on the right hand side of the fuel tank as that seems to even it out. Be careful though as super-unleaded is heavier than regular and can cause a right old tank-slapper if you mix the two together.
Sid Squid
29-11-08, 09:56 PM
There is nothing good about a shaft drive, and plenty of bad.
Huh? An extreme view, certainly shaft drive isn't useful everywhere, but on a large and heavy bike with no sporting pretension it's a great idea. Price wise, how long will your bike last, if you're going to scrap a bike in 10,000 miles the cost of shaft drive would be unacceptable, if it lasted rather longer the cost might be money well spent.
northwind
29-11-08, 10:16 PM
I want gear driven final drive, with a big row of sprockets all the way along the swingarm, and no chain.
Hey, actually, i do now. That'd be AWESOME.
Huh? An extreme view, certainly shaft drive isn't useful everywhere, but on a large and heavy bike with no sporting pretension it's a great idea. Price wise, how long will your bike last, if you're going to scrap a bike in 10,000 miles the cost of shaft drive would be unacceptable, if it lasted rather longer the cost might be money well spent.
Shaft drives just do not do it for me. I've only ever owned one bike with it, and that was a CX500 in lovely condition - it has to be one of the most hateful bikes I have ever owned. Over the years I've ridden quite a few shafties and without any exceptions I've disliked every single one of them.
the only downside is that it gets my yellow plastics dirty
yorkie_chris
30-11-08, 02:10 AM
Huh? An extreme view, certainly shaft drive isn't useful everywhere, but on a large and heavy bike with no sporting pretension it's a great idea. Price wise, how long will your bike last, if you're going to scrap a bike in 10,000 miles the cost of shaft drive would be unacceptable, if it lasted rather longer the cost might be money well spent.
Last one I seriously thought about buying was a ratty yam 900, I think it was an XJ9, still went alright at 120,000mile.
Tim in Belgium
30-11-08, 08:17 AM
but the extra BHP from the R6 throttle mod, will even things out
These new fangled Scot Oilers sound great. I'm no xenophobe so was thinking of going for one from one of our mediterranean cousins, either a Greek or Italian Oiler. I think I'd prefer the aroma of olive oil wafting from my future bike, and there's the additional benefit of being able to use it to moisten stale food.
BanannaMan
30-11-08, 06:51 PM
Thanks all!
I think I'll go with the scottoiler then as it seems well proven and has many fans among it's users.
Not to worry about skipping any maintenance here....
My chain will still be cleaned before every ride. :D
My main reason for fitting would be that I take several 3-day weekend rides a year, ranging from 650 to 1000 miles.
Would be nice make the entire journey without doing any chain mantenance. (Providing it didn't get too dirty)
It certainly would not go any longer without being cleaned.
She's still a clean machine, with 22K+ miles.
http://www.allenschevron.com/svlake.jpg
kwak zzr
30-11-08, 06:54 PM
nice clean curvey, credit to ya mate.
thefallenangel
03-12-08, 09:14 PM
bumping thread, just found this
http://www.chainoiler.org.uk/
I hate my scottoiler, i spent forever trying to get it to work and it keeps breaking. I'll be stripping it off and selling it on, trying one of these instead and for £12 i can't go wrong really.
yorkie_chris
03-12-08, 09:16 PM
That will work very well untill you forget to turn tap off and it pours all oil onto floor
thefallenangel
03-12-08, 09:18 PM
That will work very well untill you forget to turn tap off and it pours all oil onto floor
So i pour oil onto the floor that cost me nothing. Unless i park it in my girlfriends garage and i then get abuse, although he did knock my SV over. He's an ex-biker tho so will understand and probably want one once he's allowed a bike again.
fizzwheel
03-12-08, 09:26 PM
What keeps breaking oin your Scotoiler, I've always found them very reliable ( I'm on my fourth bike with one on )
the only trouble we've had is the one on Liz's SV kept loosing its prime, which I fixed by fitting a new breather pipe to it.
northwind
03-12-08, 09:27 PM
I hate my scottoiler, i spent forever trying to get it to work and it keeps breaking. I'll be stripping it off and selling it on, trying one of these instead and for £12 i can't go wrong really.
TBH that looks like it's more or less a scottoiler without the vacuum actuation? What sort of problems did you have with the scottoiler?
bumping thread, just found this
http://www.chainoiler.org.uk/
I hate my scottoiler, i spent forever trying to get it to work and it keeps breaking. I'll be stripping it off and selling it on, trying one of these instead and for £12 i can't go wrong really.
99% of the time it's operator error. The other 1% of the time it's fitting errors.
Unless i park it in my girlfriends garage
he did knock my SV over. He's an ex-biker
Girlfriend? = he?
Girlfriend? = he?
+ ??:rolleyes:
My question is....
What do you like about the Scottoiler ????
Its great in every way, it does what it says on the tin. Extends chain life, save time, but is no replacement for actually checking your chain.
OR
What do you NOT like about the Scottoiler????
People saying they are rubbish because some bloke said so. Yes you get oil flick but if set up properly, then this is minimal and it doesnt get on the tyre if set up properly.
thefallenangel
04-12-08, 03:17 PM
Girlfriend? = he?
balls girlfriends dad was meant.
And on the scottoiler question, the pipe keeps getting blocked and chewed up, i have to re-prime it which gets annoying as my under seat space is non-exsitant after putting the Gixxer shock on so for £12 i'll try this and before anyone says about routing, it's run on the under-side of the swingarm as it clashes with my hugger so i'll sell it on and use this instead as i think it'll be easier.
balls girlfriends dad was meant.
And on the scottoiler question, the pipe keeps getting blocked and chewed up, i have to re-prime it which gets annoying as my under seat space is non-exsitant after putting the Gixxer shock on so for £12 i'll try this and before anyone says about routing, it's run on the under-side of the swingarm as it clashes with my hugger so i'll sell it on and use this instead as i think it'll be easier.
You're running the delivery pipe too close to the sprocket or chain then. Mine never gets blocked or chewed and still delivers the oil to exactly the right spot. A bit of care an attention to fitting is vital to get the best from a Scottoiler.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2151/2196069756_7eff97829c_b.jpg
thefallenangel
04-12-08, 04:51 PM
is that conduit?
Good idea covering up the pipework but surely it should be strong enough alone to deal with it anyway, it's just like cheese pipe. If the pipe comes with the oiller i ordered then i'll box it up but to me the scottoiler is just an over-rated valve for people who'll forget to turn off the normal one.
yorkie_chris
04-12-08, 04:55 PM
No it's the bog stock pipe end that you get with it.
fizzwheel
04-12-08, 04:55 PM
Any chance you could take some pics of how you've run the pipe along the swingarm and how its run up against the rear sprocket, might help us diagnose your problem ( assuming that you dont mind us being curious about it )
Liz's got gunged up once, the little black delivery pipes been in the sprocket / chain a few times and we've had to replace it, but thats down to me fiddling with it rather than actually issues with the oiler.
I found that if you set the delivery pipe so it just touches the sprocket and have it so the slash cut opening faces outwards then it works best like that, then the oil runs on the sprocket and the centrifugal forces throw it out in the chain.
The pipework on my SV, Liz's SV and my GSXR runs on the underside of the swingarm to avoid huggers, so nothing unusual in what you're doing with it.
thefallenangel
04-12-08, 05:02 PM
Any chance you could take some pics of how you've run the pipe along the swingarm and how its run up against the rear sprocket, might help us diagnose your problem ( assuming that you dont mind us being curious about it )
Liz's got gunged up once, the little black delivery pipes been in the sprocket / chain a few times and we've had to replace it, but thats down to me fiddling with it rather than actually issues with the oiler.
I found that if you set the delivery pipe so it just touches the sprocket and have it so the slash cut opening faces outwards then it works best like that, then the oil runs on the sprocket and the centrifugal forces throw it out in the chain.
The pipework on my SV, Liz's SV and my GSXR runs on the underside of the swingarm to avoid huggers, so nothing unusual in what you're doing with it.
What i found was my pipe was cable tie'd around the swing arm pretty tight but moved the first time chewing the end of it, then the pipe kept getting blocked on the end which was not enough oil coming out i guessed as upping the flow fixed it but i just can't be bothered with it anymore.
I can't be bothered with removing the seat to fix it, this cable ties around anything and can be altered a lot easier and if the actual valve gets damaged i'll find a way of protecting it although the hugger should do it anyway. I guess it's just personal preference, i've had bad experience with it i guess.
No it's the bog stock pipe end that you get with it.
What he said.
That Scottoiler and pipework has been fitted to at least 6 of my bikes over the years and never given a problem.
northwind
05-12-08, 08:18 PM
TBH it sounds like none of your problems would be scottoiler specific, if you had issues with the hose on the scottoiler why will the new one be any different? A hose is a hose. Mine used to need repriming quite often, it was very irritating that so I sympathise, but I just mounted it more vertically and it now works perfectly, except when i forget to refill it, which is all the time.
thefallenangel
05-12-08, 10:04 PM
TBH it sounds like none of your problems would be scottoiler specific, if you had issues with the hose on the scottoiler why will the new one be any different? A hose is a hose. Mine used to need repriming quite often, it was very irritating that so I sympathise, but I just mounted it more vertically and it now works perfectly, except when i forget to refill it, which is all the time.
Which is why this smaller one is easier as i don't need to bother with lifting the seat etc . . and after seeing lozzo with the conduit stuff i'm going to pinch some conduit from work and spray it black to match my swingarm + hugger. Just hope i remember to turn it on and off.
Stradders
06-12-08, 10:58 AM
Can anyone recommend a setting for an SV650S. The bike is now away for the winter but I would like to know what setting you use on the dial.
Have had a Scottoiler on the bike since I bought it but have just had the dual system replaced with the single injector. It seems to work OK and I have had no problems with it but I dont want to over or under lube it.
Thanks.
yorkie_chris
06-12-08, 11:00 AM
You can't really guess at a setting you need to figure it out. Depends on pipework and mounting angle (ohhh god...) and allsorts. RTFM :-P
Stradders
06-12-08, 11:39 AM
Y-C
FYI, I didnt get TFM.
Thast why I was asking.
yorkie_chris
06-12-08, 11:47 AM
Your google-fu is weak young stradders.
http://www.scottoiler.com/support_fitting.asp
Nobbylad
08-12-08, 01:44 PM
Put it on a paddock stand (or just the side stand) have the engine idling and then watch for several minutes to see how often the dispenser drops oil. I think something like 1-2 drops per minute is about right....but as YC says, check the guidance.
yorkie_chris
08-12-08, 01:47 PM
Personally I just ride it and guess. Oil on tyre = too much, chain dry = not enough
Personally I just ride it and guess. Oil on tyre = too much, chain dry = not enough
I'm a little more attentive to this sort of thing. One drop every 25.786 seconds seems to be the optimum :D
fizzwheel
08-12-08, 06:08 PM
Personally I just ride it and guess. Oil on tyre = too much, chain dry = not enough
Thats what I do with mine.
startrek.steve
08-12-08, 07:37 PM
Just bought one from the NEC at the weekend, Two questions, the Free T-piece for the SV, they are gonna charge me £1.73 delivery, is this right? Second question, where's the best place to mount the reservoir? I'm thinking behind one of the side panels with the adjuster sticking up under the seat for easy adjustment. Its vertical there as well.
Steve
Sid Squid
08-12-08, 07:55 PM
I'm a little more attentive to this sort of thing. One drop every 25.786 seconds seems to be the optimum :D
Way off! Every 36.664 seconds will be far better, you'll be wasting oil with that flagrant setting of yours.
Way off! Every 36.664 seconds will be far better, you'll be wasting oil with that flagrant setting of yours.
Every bike is different, yong Sidney. My requirements may differ to yours :D
Sid Squid
08-12-08, 10:49 PM
Young Sidney.
Young Sidney? I always liked you Loz :smt008.
startrek.steve
09-12-08, 08:58 AM
Why? About shaft drives that is.
If it stretched on one side would you have to keep taking it off and turning the chain inside out? :-P
If it flings onto the rear wheel, Im sure it'll fling onto the other side of the chain as well!!!
Steve
startrek.steve
09-12-08, 09:00 AM
Downsides to shaft drive include
A) Overpriced
B) Overweight
C) Over here.
... amongst others
I loved my shafty CX500, maintainance free, good for wheelies too!
Steve
startrek.steve
09-12-08, 09:03 AM
I want gear driven final drive, with a big row of sprockets all the way along the swingarm, and no chain.
Hey, actually, i do now. That'd be AWESOME.
Ooh! very Steampunk Northwind!
or how about a big external driveshaft like on a HGV? with lots of fins all painted black, or maybe some LEDs pulsing down the length of the shaft! (No, No,No Im getting all excited now...)
Steve
startrek.steve
09-12-08, 09:04 AM
These new fangled Scot Oilers sound great. I'm no xenophobe so was thinking of going for one from one of our mediterranean cousins, either a Greek or Italian Oiler. I think I'd prefer the aroma of olive oil wafting from my future bike, and there's the additional benefit of being able to use it to moisten stale food.
Im looking at filling mine with old chip oil, everyone behind me will think they're on their way to the chippy!
Steve
skidmarx
09-12-08, 09:15 AM
Rubbish, an untrained monkey could set one up in 5 minutes - it's hardly rocket science to count the seonds between drips and turn a knob to adjust the flow. If they are properly set up they don't make a mess. I've experienced more fling from aerosol lubes. Scottoil cleans off wheels easily as it's not a sticky type of oil, a quick squirt with WD40 and a wipe from a cloth is all it takes to clean it off.
As I said, they can be a bit of a fiddle to set up.....so:smt019
SoulKiss
09-12-08, 09:55 AM
Ooh! very Steampunk Northwind!
or how about a big external driveshaft like on a HGV? with lots of fins all painted black, or maybe some LEDs pulsing down the length of the shaft! (No, No,No Im getting all excited now...)
Steve
Keep your pulsing shafts to yourself :)
How about taking the side pods off the back of your SV, putting in frosted perspex panels and blue LED's up the side, with orange windows on the front panels.
Help you get up to warp factor 9.8 then :)
startrek.steve
09-12-08, 10:58 AM
Keep your pulsing shafts to yourself :)
How about taking the side pods off the back of your SV, putting in frosted perspex panels and blue LED's up the side, with orange windows on the front panels.
Help you get up to warp factor 9.8 then :)
9.9 actually is supposed to be the absolute limit.....
Steve
Littlepeahead
09-12-08, 01:05 PM
Scottoilers also save you a fortune in manicures. Nothing chips off your nail polish quicker than fiddling about with the chain every day - though I do check mine regularly of course.
SoulKiss
09-12-08, 02:20 PM
9.9 actually is supposed to be the absolute limit.....
Steve
I think you will find that is for Pointies
Curvies just canna take it captain, 9.8 is the limit.
startrek.steve
09-12-08, 02:26 PM
I think you will find that is for Pointies
Curvies just canna take it captain, 9.8 is the limit.
i think you'll find that Curvies have the experimental Transwarp V-twin engine, with the Borg tweaks, 9.9 is a doddle!
Steve
SoulKiss
09-12-08, 02:32 PM
i think you'll find that Curvies have the experimental Transwarp V-twin engine, with the Borg tweaks, 9.9 is a doddle!
Steve
Which parallel universe do you come from?
Borg Tweaks? more like Borked tweaks.
Jeez you would think you spent a couple of hundred years in a Transporter loop in a Dyson Sphere the rubbish you are spouting.
You really need the electofluidic injectors of the pointy rather than the mumbo-jumbo the curvy runs on
yorkie_chris
09-12-08, 04:11 PM
Would you trekkies join up on punternet and get yourself shagged please.
startrek.steve
10-12-08, 07:55 AM
Would you trekkies join up on punternet and get yourself shagged please.
Now THATS a good site, haven't been on there for years!!!
Steve
Which parallel universe do you come from?
Borg Tweaks? more like Borked tweaks.
Jeez you would think you spent a couple of hundred years in a Transporter loop in a Dyson Sphere the rubbish you are spouting.
You really need the electofluidic injectors of the pointy rather than the mumbo-jumbo the curvy runs on
MY GOD you're a geek. Well done at out-dorkulating me!
startrek.steve
10-12-08, 08:58 AM
Would you trekkies join up on punternet and get yourself shagged please.
"I am Chris of YorkBORGshire, Bling is irrelevant, you will be Ratified!"
SoulKiss
10-12-08, 09:00 AM
MY GOD you're a geek. Well done at out-dorkulating me!
Hey, Vixis out Trek-Geeks me........
Hey, Vixis out Trek-Geeks me........
Yeah, but she's got boobs...
Yeah, but she's got boobs...
meaning.....? And my nick would kinda give it away that I'm a trek-geek - and I dont need to go to a site for a lovelife so :P
meaning.....? And my nick would kinda give it away that I'm a trek-geek - and I dont need to go to a site for a lovelife so :P
No offense. I believe the geek-scale is relative to what you have in your trousers/whether you have a lumpy jumper or not (yes Dave, I know both of our jumpers are also lumpy, but it doesn't count...)
Basically, as women are the holders of the Holy Grail, and can therefore find a shag easier, it is impossible for them to be as geeky as men...
(Awaits sh1tstorm...)
Basically, as women are the holders of the Holy Grail, and can therefore find a shag easier,
(Awaits sh1tstorm...)
I disagree on both these counts.
I stand by my claim that if two people are at it, then they both found it as easy as each other to find someone. Women are as bad as blokes, and in some places up north they are even worse.
As for the Holy Grail; I'm not religious, therefore in my mind it doesn't exist.
northwind
10-12-08, 07:18 PM
9.9 actually is supposed to be the absolute limit.....
Yeah, but with the SV speedo over-read, at warp 9 you'd still only be doing about 120mph.
startrek.steve
10-12-08, 07:23 PM
Yeah, but with the SV speedo over-read, at warp 9 you'd still only be doing about 120mph.
Yeah but due to relativity effects, personal time stays the same, but the universe slows down around you...
ergo, Warp 9.9
Zephram Cochraine wasnt Scottish you know, that was Scotty!!
Theyre only good for making Scottoilers!!
Steve
northwind
10-12-08, 07:39 PM
Zephram Cochraine wasnt Scottish
But he WAS always drunk, which is practically the same thing.
SoulKiss
10-12-08, 07:51 PM
But he WAS always drunk, which is practically the same thing.
Also, Scotty was Canadian, and the new one is English.....
Three pages now off topic.
Ceri JC
11-12-08, 01:08 PM
Back on topic...
Pros:
More than pays for itself within the life of one chain.
Less need to adjust the chain; many people report the rear tyre wears out before the chain needs adjusting.
Used engine oil alone is considerably cheaper than used engine oil and chain wax.
Fitted neatly, it's almost invisible and almost totally crash proof.
In the long run, even factoring in fitting/refilling/fixing the scottoiler, it'll save a fair bit of time over not having one.
Due to their simplicity and lack of moving parts, they tend not to break, lots have been used for over 100K miles with no problems.
You never again get chain wax on your rear tyre (which is about 10 times worse than oil and a pig to shift).
They can easily be removed and fitted to other bikes.
Spare parts are very cheap and delivered promptly.
Scottoiler's staff are knowledgeable, polite and fast-acting.
Cons:
You still need to look at the chain periodically, even if you don't need to adjust it.
You need to top it up.
You may get some oil fling on the rear tyre.
The blue official oil isn't much cheaper than using the chain wax, if you decide to use that rather than old engine oil.
If you use old engine oil and route your delivery tube down over the top of the engine and it develops a slight leak there (but small enough that the tube stays full and oil also comes out the right end too), you may be fooled into thinking you have an oil leak in your engine.*
On the subject of the accessories, even if you do high mileage I'd go for just the stock kit: Touring resevoir is great but tends to break the snow plow on pointies.
I've had 2 lube tubes start leaking for no reason.
*If you're a daft ***t like me. :)
Another bonus is when you ask at their stand at the NEC about replacment parts - they give you them free of charge.*
*or they did for me on Sunday :-)
yorkie_chris
11-12-08, 01:35 PM
Cons:
You still need to look at the chain periodically, even if you don't need to adjust it. That's more of a neutral than a con!
You need to top it up. Yup, which can be fiddly depending on where you hide the RMV
You may get some oil fling on the rear tyre. Not if you set it up properly
The blue official oil isn't much cheaper than using the chain wax, if you decide to use that rather than old engine oil. Huh? £4.99 for 500ml, which will do 5-6000miles. You'll use more spray-snot than that.
If you use old engine oil and route your delivery tube down over the top of the engine and it develops a slight leak there (but small enough that the tube stays full and oil also comes out the right end too), you may be fooled into thinking you have an oil leak in your engine.* Hehehehe
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