Comunity support TW*TS

[Ginger 1]

I got stuck behind 2 idiots on mopeds that were community support offices (Fake coppers). God knows how these two passed a CBT, riding 2 abreast down the embankment during rush hour!

Anyone seen anymore of these in london- taking up all the road so I couldn't filter safely.
Nearly made me late for work!! They just wouldnt move out the way. I would have barged passed but I know I would have got a nasty ticket in the post!

[zsv650]

on mopeds how are they allowed it takes bike cops tons of training to be allowed out on a bike madness.

[Jayneflakes]

Burn them in a wikka man!


and their mopeds.

that'll learn 'em...

[Grinch]

Your perfectly with-in your rights to take there numbers/plates and report there riding standards.
The ones I have also seen seem to ride like they have never taken a CBT.

[Davido]

If they passed their car test before 2001 (or whenever it was) then they don't need a cbt.

[zsv650]

how can they use them on active duty though.

[Quedos]

2 idiots on mopeds that were community support offices (Fake coppers).

I just love being called a tw*t. Makes me real proud of my job:smt072

[fizzwheel]

I didnt think a PCO could give you a ticket ?

[ArtyLady]

If they passed their car test before 2001 (or whenever it was) then they don't need a cbt.

not true - I passed my car test in 1978 and still had to do a CBT in 2002.

[ArtyLady]

Burn them in a wikka man!


and their mopeds.

that'll learn 'em...

ROFL :lol:

[Ginger 1]

I just love being called a tw*t. Makes me real proud of my job:smt072
Hey don't take offence, if they had had fireman written across their backs it would have been firetw*ts! just happen to be PCSO! Its not so much their job just what they were doing.

[gettin2dizzy]

What's the point in them? Can't they just train them to be real cops?

[yorkie_chris]

You not tempted to go in between them? That's what I might have ahem, thought of doing to the local chavs around here. Do it with a pillion who can lean back and cover your plate up :-P

[Shellywoozle]

What's the point in them? Can't they just train them to be real cops?

Then you just get alot of people like me, and that's wrong !

PSCO's in the main are funded by the Government hence Policing on the cheap.

[MiniMatt]

not true - I passed my car test in 1978 and still had to do a CBT in 2002.

Struggling to remember through the haze - it's my age you see, memory's first to go.... or was it second? Who are you again? Have you seen my keys?...

Anyway... not 100% sure, I know I still had to do a CBT to be allowed out on my whizzy 125cc, which I painted black with Halfords rattle cans to make it go faster and look well wikked... but I can't remember if you could get by with just a car licence and an attitude for a 50cc and bypass the CBT thing?

[simesb]

not true - I passed my car test in 1978 and still had to do a CBT in 2002.

You could ride upto 50cc and 1 bhp (or something) without a CBT then and no Ls, any larger and you'd need one and Ls. After c2001 you need a CBT to validate a moped license to ride without Ls.

[ArtyLady]

Ah yes that's right - the full car licence served as a provisional for a 50cc moped - but I think you still had to have L plates? anything over 50cc had to have CBT. :) I dont know what the rules are now - they change like the weather!! :rolleyes: edit - just seen simesb's post!

[missyburd]

Do it with a pillion who can lean back and cover your plate up :-P

Won't be me just to make that clear :p

[rob13]

Then you just get alot of people like me, and that's wrong !

PSCO's in the main are funded by the Government hence Policing on the cheap.

Its not really policing though is it Shell? Its more like a presence of someone who looks like a Police Officer, with all the power of a civilian who can stop and check names. Sorry to all those PCSOs out there, but unfortunately its not your fault that the government has created a role which is nothing but a public waste of money. Theres some decent PCSOs who should just make the step up. Half as many bobbies would ease the load on the overstretched shifts

[phil24_7]

If they passed their car test before 2001 (or whenever it was) then they don't need a cbt.

Not true, unless you have grandfather rights to ride a bike then you have to do the CBT.

not true - I passed my car test in 1978 and still had to do a CBT in 2002.

I was born in 78, passed my car test in 96 and also had to do a CBT. Would've thought you had grandfather rights passing way back then!!!

Regards

[ArtyLady]

Not true, unless you have grandfather rights to ride a bike then you have to do the CBT.


What are grandfather rights? :smt102



I was born in 78, passed my car test in 96 and also had to do a CBT. Would've thought you had grandfather rights passing way back then!!!

Regards

Bloomin cheek! you young whippersnapper ;)

(Actually we still had gas lamps on our cars! ;))

[custard]

harpenden council bought a 50cc for the local plod to engage and catch local scooter yoofs etc. full liveried and so on. top speed 30mph. yeah nice one! try catching the local kids on their derestricted 125 runner that will pretty much top 70! good one!ly well thought out.

i actually feel sorry for PCSO's. its a blood tough job for the amout they get paid so kudos to any one who can actually stomach it!

[Davido]

Taken from: http://www.phmotorcycles.co.uk/training-faq.html

"I have a full car licence, what can I ride?
If your licence was issued before 1st February 2001, then you can ride a 50cc moped, capable of not more than 30mph. Strangely enough, you will not need to display L plates, and you can carry a passenger if the motorcycle has a passenger seat and rear footrests. If you want to ride a motorcycle of over 50cc, up to 125cc, you must take Compulsory Basic Training (CBT), you must display L plates, and you must not carry passengers. The CBT certificate is valid for 2 years"

Taken from: http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/LearnerAndNewDrivers/RidingMotorcyclesAndMopeds/DG_10016249

If you have a car licence...

If you obtained your full car licence before 1 February 2001 you are automatically entitled to ride a moped without L-plates (D-plates in Wales).
If you obtained a full car licence after 1 February 2001 you must first complete a CBT course and obtain a DL 196 certificate to validate your entitlement.


Thank you and goodnight. Apologies in the post please. :p

[Dicky Ticker]

:)Snigger:):):):)----------GrandMOTHER rights if we are being PC

[Shellywoozle]

Its not really policing though is it Shell? Its more like a presence of someone who looks like a Police Officer, with all the power of a civilian who can stop and check names. Sorry to all those PCSOs out there, but unfortunately its not your fault that the government has created a role which is nothing but a public waste of money. Theres some decent PCSOs who should just make the step up. Half as many bobbies would ease the load on the overstretched shifts

I agree it's not policing at all, they are there to give the impression there are alot of Police milling about but in reality there are not. The PCSO's have a hard time of it and I feel sorry for the ones that feel they are making a difference.

From being on the other side of it I would rather the Government pay for Police Officers so that I have back up when I need it and am not stranded on my own with the nearest back up 20 mins away. But that is simply not going to happen.

[ArtyLady]

:)Snigger:):):):)----------GrandMOTHER rights if we are being PC


Well yeah that too!.....but what is it? :o

[phil24_7]

A grandfather clause is a term used in U.S. English for an exception that allows an old rule to continue to apply to some existing situations, when a new rule will apply to all future situations. It is often used as a verb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verb): to grandfather means to grant such an exemption. For example, a "grandfathered power plant" might be exempt from new, more restrictive pollution laws. Often, such a provision is used as a compromise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise), to effect new rules without upsetting a well-established logistical or political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics) situation. This extends the idea of a rule not being retroactively applied (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto). It is a portion of a statute that provides that the law is not applicable in certain circumstances due to preexisting facts.

This basically means that if you were entitled to ride a bike before they brought in the the new laws, then you can still ride one without going through all the rigmarole of getting a CBT and passing a test.

HTH
Regards

[ArtyLady]

A grandfather clause is a term used in U.S. English for an exception that allows an old rule to continue to apply to some existing situations, when a new rule will apply to all future situations. It is often used as a verb (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verb): to grandfather means to grant such an exemption. For example, a "grandfathered power plant" might be exempt from new, more restrictive pollution laws. Often, such a provision is used as a compromise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compromise), to effect new rules without upsetting a well-established logistical or political (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics) situation. This extends the idea of a rule not being retroactively applied (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex_post_facto). It is a portion of a statute that provides that the law is not applicable in certain circumstances due to preexisting facts.

This basically means that if you were entitled to ride a bike before they brought in the the new laws, then you can still ride one without going through all the rigmarole of getting a CBT and passing a test.

HTH
Regards

Ah right I see! bit like I can pull a trailer on my 1908...errr...I mean 1978 licence. ;)

[joshmac]

:)Snigger:):):):)----------GrandMOTHER rights if we are being PC
Nah, would have to be grandPERSON rights ;):lol: