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dunno if any of you peepers caught it last night, quite moving in places. they covered the case of Luke McCormick, the Plymouth Argyle goalkeeper who killed two lads pi$$ed up on his way home from a wedding. they played a 999 call from the first on the scene, he was describing the state of the car and the occupants. quite awful to listen to.
they also showed CCTV footage of McCormick at time of learning he'd killed at least one child. That too was quite hard to watch. No i've no sympathy for his jail sentence (he got 7 years), but the awful realisation of what he'd done was quite horrible.
to my main point....
they had half a dozen guinea pigs in, people who were helping out, not the rodents, who were self confessed drink drivers. they asked them to drink what they'd normally consume before driving home then they'd breathalise them as they left the boozer...one lass drunk 6 or 8 (i forget which) malibu and cokes her breath specimen - using state of the art kit provided by John Q Law - came up 4mg!! legal limit being 35mg. Another chappie drunk 5 pints and had a reading of 31mg, again under the limit.
Their angle on it was "you just never know what your limit is so don't take a chance.." but from what i can see other less erm, intelligent, people will watch it and think hey i can drink 5 pints and drive and i'll be alright...
anybody else see it and come to similar conclussions?
I did watch part of it, I agree with you and unfortunately the report that came out this morning saying that M'cr and Salford are high up the list for people with alcohol issues......well driving while drunk will be a derivative of that
Dappa D
18-12-08, 10:50 AM
very valid point mr d, chavtastics im sure will see it as exactly that.
unfortunatelty i only caught the last few minutes, but did hear the call (if it was the one over the credits at the end.
im hoping it will be on bt visions tv replay thing as it looked interesting
The telephone conversation between the operator and the first on scene was harrowing.
The bloke obviously saw them get run off the road but didnt think it would be too bad, then he saw the state of the car and said something along the lines of, theres a childs leg sticking out of the back seat.....at first he thought there was only 3 in the car thats how bad it was.
Just terrible, I heard the parent speaking on Radio 2 about a month ago and that was just as terrible.
Their angle on it was "you just never know what your limit is so don't take a chance.." but from what i can see other less erm, intelligent, people will watch it and think hey i can drink 5 pints and drive and i'll be alright...
Those were exactly my thoughts......mainly the people who were fat and ate lots their bodys absorbed the alcohol making them more fat but haveing a low alcohol level in their blood.....it depends completely on how used to drinking you are.
Part of me believes that there should be no limit.....simply if you drink you should not drive, but then thats not really practicle because you would end up being pulled over at 2pm the day after and potentially still have a tiny amount of alcohol in your body.
wont be long until a complete ban on drinking and driving, however even that woman that had 8 Malibu cokes messed up the driving thing at the end, they were all drunk and they knew it.........that little girl with the mini though she was way past it!!!
cant stand drink drivers, my mates loose their keys if they try it, guess they just too ignorant to realise it....."im more concentrated when ive had a drink"......
JamesMio
18-12-08, 11:13 AM
I saw it - was amazed that tart was under the limit after 8 Malibu & Cokes!! It may only be 20 (ish) % but still...
It's a funny one, I've felt half cut after one pint before now, and other times I've felt stone cold sober after 5/6. (Have never drove after it I should add, it's just not worth it or me.)
Would've boffed the young lass that drove the Mini though :D
It's a funny one, I've felt half cut after one pint before now, and other times I've felt stone cold sober after 5/6. (Have never drove after it I should add, it's just not worth it or me.)
Same as me, if I have been under the weather and not eaten anything I can have one pint and I know that I should defo not drive (I dont drive if I'm drinking anything anyway) but I have had 12 bottle on smirnoff in the past and felt completely fine.
I dont drink very often anyway which helps me get happy easier.
Would've boffed the young lass that drive the Mini though :D
when you say boffed....do you mean give her a dry slap cos she was annoying or sort her out sexy time?
she was flirting big time with the presenter chappie! hussy.
wont be long until a complete ban on drinking and driving, however even that woman that had 8 Malibu cokes messed up the driving thing at the end, they were all drunk and they knew it.........that little girl with the mini though she was way past it!!!
Those driving simulators are the same as what you get in BSM offices, they are complete and utter crap.
Perception of speed, distance and steering feel is nothing like real world, if I went on one sober i would probably be all over the shop as well.
Kazbee79
18-12-08, 11:21 AM
It was a harrowing programme to watch.
The attitude of the Builder bloke in his 50’s was the worst. The rest while clearly idiots with their attitude to DD, he stood out when shown the car wreck and knowing it was cause d by a drink driver, then stood there and said ah well you cant blame the drink accidents happen.
Words just cant describe people with that attitude. I firmly believe there should be 0mg DD limit. No it won’t stop people drinking and driving if they really want to, but I may stop the chancers who think they are ok after a pint or two, and that can only be a good thing.
Of course it carries risks as the amount of people who get caught out the day after would probably go up.
JamesMio
18-12-08, 11:26 AM
when you say boffed....do you mean give her a dry slap cos she was annoying or sort her out sexy time?
Sort her out, sexy time, I suppose partly for being annoying :cheers:
shifter
18-12-08, 11:35 AM
There can't be a zero limit from what I've been told, because you can get alchohol in your system in other ways. For example mouth wash contains alchohol. I know this would be minute amounts but it's still detectable and would put you at an above zero level.
Thats what I've been told anyway.
JamesMio
18-12-08, 11:45 AM
Maybe the problem is that we've spurned a nation of utter morons, that lack the intelligence to make safe and sensible decisions for themselves.?
Would you drive (a normal, standard car) if you had no ability to use the brakes - i.e. your left leg was broken and in a cast? Of course not, so why do people seem to think it's acceptable to jump behind the wheel of a large, heavy and fast moving lump of steel, after getting tanked up.
I cannot think of any situation where it would be acceptable to drive whilst drunk. None. Nobody get's drunk by suprise!! You have to physically consume alcohol, so it's not as if it can come as a suprise can it?
When was the last time you heard someone getting p1$$ed after eating a sandwich?!
well according to that show most countries in the EU have a no tolerance policy to any alcohol??
Gazza77
18-12-08, 12:18 PM
dunno if any of you peepers caught it last night, quite moving in places. they covered the case of Luke McCormick, the Plymouth Argyle goalkeeper who killed two lads pi$$ed up on his way home from a wedding. they played a 999 call from the first on the scene, he was describing the state of the car and the occupants. quite awful to listen to.
they also showed CCTV footage of McCormick at time of learning he'd killed at least one child. That too was quite hard to watch. No i've no sympathy for his jail sentence (he got 7 years), but the awful realisation of what he'd done was quite horrible.
to my main point....
they had half a dozen guinea pigs in, people who were helping out, not the rodents, who were self confessed drink drivers. they asked them to drink what they'd normally consume before driving home then they'd breathalise them as they left the boozer...one lass drunk 6 or 8 (i forget which) malibu and cokes her breath specimen - using state of the art kit provided by John Q Law - came up 4mg!! legal limit being 35mg. Another chappie drunk 5 pints and had a reading of 31mg, again under the limit.
Their angle on it was "you just never know what your limit is so don't take a chance.." but from what i can see other less erm, intelligent, people will watch it and think hey i can drink 5 pints and drive and i'll be alright...
anybody else see it and come to similar conclussions?
I thought exactly the same, though credit to the programme makers for showing that, not deciding not to air the programme because they didn't get the results they wanted. I wouldn't have guessed that 3 out of the 5 guinea pigs would be under the limit, and a fourth only just over despite having drunk 6 pints.
I also think it missed another point. Why haven't DD levels dropped in the last 10 years? Anything to do with the significant reduction in road traffic police due to their automated, fixed, yellow replacements?
Flamin_Squirrel
18-12-08, 12:18 PM
Maybe the problem is that we've spurned a nation of utter morons, that lack the intelligence make safe and sensible decisions for themselves?
Don't worry, the government has it in hand. To encorage people to make safe and sensible decisions for themselves, they're going to stop people from being allowed to make any decisions for themselves at all. :?
well according to that show most countries in the EU have a no tolerance policy to any alcohol??
Low limits, not no limits, IIRC.
punyXpress
18-12-08, 12:23 PM
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Saw part of it & entirely agree.
Did the producers of this ever consider that what they showed in effect gave the green light to so many chancers - can't think of anything more irresponsible!
Many years ago ( why do so many of my threads start like this? ) did a simiar experiment at Bike Show. There was a ( very basic ) simulator where you rode in from of a screen & various hazards jumped out at you ( just like real life ). Tried it & established a time. To client's stand & had double Scotch. By the time at front of queue was mellow.
Faster time - knew what to expect. But next two times reactions got rapidly worse! Proved something, so got train home. THAT sobered me up!
I have a simple solution, I just don't drink any alcohol at all when I know I'll be driving within at least 12 hours. As an almost tee-totaller I don't find it particularly difficult.
Mr Speirs
18-12-08, 12:31 PM
What channel was this on?
itv1, last night betwixt 9 and 10
It's true that the limit can't be zero as most people have a residual level of alcohol in their body from consuming various things.
Fair play to you for being able to drink 12 bottles of Smirnoff G! :D
(or maybe that was Smirnoff Ice?!)
(or maybe that was Smirnoff Ice?!)
:(
G can't possibly drink Smirnoff Ice, that's for teenage girls
G can't possibly drink Smirnoff Ice, that's for teenage girls
I had moobs up until a month ago dont you know :)
To be fair I drink bottled beer now, but it had been known, Smirnoff Ice is refreshing in the summer when you dont want to get drunk.
Mr Speirs
18-12-08, 03:08 PM
ITV's catch up thing is cack!!! Trying to watch it. It's jittery and out of time with the audio AND still has Ad Breaks!!!
CACK
ITV's catch up thing is cack!!! Trying to watch it. It's jittery and out of time with the audio AND still has Ad Breaks!!!
CACK
it is itv lol
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/20081218/video/vuk-arrested-luke-mccormick-at-a-police-49bfa63.html
theres about 20 seconds of adverts before the main part
During my time In the Falklands, If you go into Stanley for a night on the p155 and stayed over at hilltop camp, then you are not allowed to leave the camp until you have had a breatherlizer test the next morning...
Yes I did watch it last night, harrowing some of it...
but also, who saw the Janice Battersby lookalike falling out of that Jeep...
Bluepete
18-12-08, 05:06 PM
I cried my eyes out at the end when they put those morons outside in blindfolds then showed them the car and played the tape from the M6 fatal.
Partly because I know what it's like at a scene with such utter, utter carnage and devastation, it's my job after all, but also with frustration at the attitudes displayed, especially by that arrogant ******* with the Range Rover.
I was absoultely amazed at some of the readings the intox kit gave during the experiment, but then again, this was a TV show and who really knows how they decided to "spin" the results. Overall, I felt it showed that you are more likely to be under the limit than over.
Then again, the presenters footage of him driving and consuming several shots, hitting the pram and STILL being under the limit was a telling bit of film - surely a good bit of evidence for a lower limit?
Do most people understand drink drive limits? In my experience, no, not in the slightest. The older generation seem to, I breathalyse numerous middle aged men who have had a couple "because I know that's the limit" who are just under, but their driving led me to stop them, so there must be some impairement there.
It's not rocket science is it?
Don't drink and drive.
Please.
Pete.
gettin2dizzy
18-12-08, 05:06 PM
And that bloke who had 6 pints and was just over the limit. Weird that! It just goes to show you'll never know.
I don't think there should be a total ban. That's just mindless idiocy.
Grant66
18-12-08, 07:30 PM
Was shocked by the arrogant 6 pint builder being under the limit, amazingly somebody with no regard for others drives a Range Rover. Don't think he would give a **** if he killed a bus full of school kids as long as he was alright.
My thoughts following the programme were, these people obviously don't expect to be stopped on their journey home.
In the last year I've seen 1 (one) police car on traffic duty whilst commuting to and from work. 99% of the police I see on or around the roads are stood behind a speed camera. Yet in the last week I've followed several people who appeared to not be in complete control of their vehicles.
I didnt see the program.
What was the time gap between the last drink and the breath test?
Also what time frame was the drinks drunk over?
Ch00
Bluepete
18-12-08, 08:15 PM
Ch00, that was by gripe. They did mention the 20 period, but during the experiment, it wasn't made clear.
if you had no ability to use the brakes - i.e. your left leg was broken and in a cast?
Left foot braking? Racing technique that, and very indicative of your driving style. :p
No way is the amount of booze going to take any real effect in that 20 minute window. They should have done breath tests every hour to really show how it goes up and down.
Ch00
JamesMio
19-12-08, 08:24 AM
Left foot braking? Racing technique that, and very indicative of your driving style. :p
:-D:-D:-D Erm, Go-Kart?
And that bloke who had 6 pints and was just over the limit. Weird that! It just goes to show you'll never know.
I don't think there should be a total ban. That's just mindless idiocy.
Or knows how to fool the machine?
I was being talked at by a guy at a friends party who was proudly telling anyone who couldn't get away how he beat the breathliser 4 times. Had something to do with deep breathing??
No idea how much of that was true or even if its possible
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