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Right ive got an alarm which ive worked out what all the wires are bar one.
One of the external trigger wires, its got a white & red band on it.
Ive worked out the following wires:
Green/Red is UNKNOWN
Green Tag is Trigger 2
Green/Yellow Tag is External Pager/Siren +12 on alarm active.
Two wires for Trigger 1
Two wires for L/R indicators
Two ground wires
One switched live
One perm live
Two wires for LED
Two wires for Relay 1
Two wires for Relay 2
Ive also pinned out all the connections to the connector block which (if datatool dont have diffrent pinnouts) can be used to work our what wires do what if you dont have tagged wires.
Does anyone know the code to get into the service menu, i want to change some options.
Dangerous Dave
18-12-08, 11:56 PM
Does anyone know the code to get into the service menu, i want to change some options.
Have a look on the Datatool (http://www.datatool.co.uk/consumer/support/) website, there are a few PDF fiiles on there.
Have a look on the Datatool (http://www.datatool.co.uk/consumer/support/) website, there are a few PDF fiiles on there.
Done all that, its not the normal Service menu, there is a special Dealer section that needs a pin code to access it, but it does not tell you how to access it or setup.
Not sure what you're trying to achieve here. Unless you're one of the few who believes that alarms are the greatest theft deterrent, fitting it to your bike isn't worth diddly unless you have an official installation certificate. You won't get any insurance discount.
My advice if you want an alarm: By a cheap DIY (eg. solalarm), wire in a hidden keyswitch to the ignition circuit and get a hefty physical security chain.
Not sure what you're trying to achieve here. Unless you're one of the few who believes that alarms are the greatest theft deterrent, fitting it to your bike isn't worth diddly unless you have an official installation certificate. You won't get any insurance discount.
My advice if you want an alarm: By a cheap DIY (eg. solalarm), wire in a hidden keyswitch to the ignition circuit and get a hefty physical security chain.
Yeh, i know thats why the alarm cost me very little, i know i have traced all the wires i want and need, im just wandering what the other wire is.
I dont want it for insurance, its just for when its ouside my house in my front garden, when its at work or im at a freinds house, its a deterrent thats all, if they want my bike then they will have it whatever i do.
personaly i trust thoes cheep alarms way less than the datatool/acumen/meta etc, last thing i want is a relay to fail and cut the bike out when im mid corner, ofcourse it could happen with all the other makes but its never happened to me and my 3xDatatools, and i dont entertain the idea that every eletrical problem on a bike is related to a Datatool alarm or XYZ alarm, its far and few between and usualy you can trace it back to bad wiring or week battery.
right ive found info on how to access the dealer setup
hopefully you will all know how to get to switch 3 ?.....
this is taken from the training manual
to select switch 3.
press both buttons of the remote (3 fast beeps will be heard)
press the grey button (a beep will be heard)
press both buttons (a beep will be heard)
press the black button (a lower tone beep will be heard)
you are now in engineering software area. the process of moving through it, selecting the software switch and changing the settings is basically the same as above with each software switch being indicated by the number of lower tone beeps heard.
enter the required switch by pressing both button of the remote
once the desired adjustment is made press both buttons of the remote to confirm..
please note you can move up and down the switches by pressing grey to move to a higher number and black down to a lower number
once finished you can exit by switching of the ignition
Hope this helps...
muffles
19-12-08, 10:05 PM
I have an S4 with manual :) it has that in it, I'm pretty sure. Let me know if that doesn't resolve things. Might have useful info for you. I had to change something on mine as I don't like the factory setup, think it was in that. Something about the way it beeps or flashes or something when you arm it.
muffles
19-12-08, 10:08 PM
Just checked the Datatool web site and I was accessing a customer function still, just still required the PIN. Haven't checked my paper manual but again...can look if needed and see what it's got.
Just checked the Datatool web site and I was accessing a customer function still, just still required the PIN. Haven't checked my paper manual but again...can look if needed and see what it's got.
The manual only shows you the options that can be accessed by the dealer it does not tell you how to access them. Anyway i know how to do it now :)
The only options that the customer can access normaly is the siren tone and if the alarm activates passive or active.
If you have a wiring diagram, that would be helpfull, i know what all the wires are apart from one which does not seem to matter much, i also know the pinout of the alarm so i can mark up alarms that have been stripped from looms without premarking.
muffles
20-12-08, 10:35 AM
The manual only shows you the options that can be accessed by the dealer it does not tell you how to access them. Anyway i know how to do it now :)
The only options that the customer can access normaly is the siren tone and if the alarm activates passive or active.
If you have a wiring diagram, that would be helpfull, i know what all the wires are apart from one which does not seem to matter much, i also know the pinout of the alarm so i can mark up alarms that have been stripped from looms without premarking.
Yeah in my manual all I can see is a section about accessing dealer mode (but not the buttons to access it) and then what options are in dealer mode (e.g. adjusting sensitivity of the sensors). I might utilise the guide you've found as I wouldn't mind playing with some of those :D
I think I was thinking about my old GSX-R600K7 that got stolen...that had an S4 too, but I think the installer might have just chucked me all the documents that came with it! Come to think of it, I might have that somewhere still, I'll have a look later today, but don't bank on it! :)
p.s. no wiring diagram as yet :(
Right ive got an alarm which ive worked out what all the wires are bar one.
One of the external trigger wires, its got a white & red band on it.
Ive worked out the following wires:
Green/Red is UNKNOWN
Green Tag is Trigger 2
Green/Yellow Tag is External Pager/Siren +12 on alarm active.
Two wires for Trigger 1
Two wires for L/R indicators
Two ground wires
One switched live
One perm live
Two wires for LED
Two wires for Relay 1
Two wires for Relay 2
Ive also pinned out all the connections to the connector block which (if datatool dont have diffrent pinnouts) can be used to work our what wires do what if you dont have tagged wires.
Does anyone know the code to get into the service menu, i want to change some options.
Hello...
my wires are cut without coloured tags. Can you please tell me how to identify the cut black wires?
Thanks!
Hello...
my wires are cut without coloured tags. Can you please tell me how to identify the cut black wires?
Thanks!
i know how to do it all, but as i dont know who you are and you have just come onto this forum im not going to give out that information unless you can get someone that has been on the org for sometime to verify you
I understand! But I'm just someone that bought a used Datatool S4 alarm for my bike and trying to figure how to install it...that's all. My last bike had a Meta on it but thieves stole it!!! I just sent you a PM.
i know how to do it all, but as i dont know who you are and you have just come onto this forum im not going to give out that information unless you can get someone that has been on the org for sometime to verify you
Well, what's the point of telling me you 'know how to do it all' when you're not prepared to share? Just like you needed help before.
I thought it was a help site. You have start somewhere....anyway, if anyone can help please PM me....and if anyone actually need the Wiring Diagram I have it.
Thanks!
Well, what's the point of telling me you 'know how to do it all' when you're not prepared to share? Just like you needed help before.
I thought it was a help site. You have start somewhere....anyway, if anyone can help please PM me....and if anyone actually need the Wiring Diagram I have it.
Thanks!
wiring diagram does not help much unless you know the pinouts, its easy to find that online
Ive been on here for a fair amount of time, lots of people that have been around too that i know, but you have come along with 1 post and asked a question that potentialy could be used for bad things
you do know that you cant tell insurance you have an alarm (well not an aproved one anyway)
where are you based?
Yes, I know about the insurance thing...Doesn't make that make that much difference to premium anyway. Mainly installing for my own piece of mind. I'm based in E London. You say the pinout info is online..been searching without any luck...maybe not putting in the correct info? So are you going to share the pinout info or not? Please...:-)
Yes, I know about the insurance thing...Doesn't make that make that much difference to premium anyway. Mainly installing for my own piece of mind. I'm based in E London. You say the pinout info is online..been searching without any luck...maybe not putting in the correct info? So are you going to share the pinout info or not? Please...:-)
come down to the SV meet in soho on friday, ile give it to you then
no the pinout is not online, i back tracked it all as i bought a loom with it installed, traced it all out and created a pinout myself, i also have the offical installers manual (not the wiring diagram), now i know it works as i installed it on one of my bikes and checked it against 3 system4Red alarms to make sure, i just did not cut the ignition
SV meet Soho..on Frith St near Ronnie Scotts? I can meet ya..But I'm sure you know I'm legit now...not some bike thief! Lol. If you PM it to me now, I can get it down tomorrow afternoon! :-)
Hi there.. SV meet - is that the one on Frith St with Ace Cafe crew? I'll come down on Fri anyway but would be great if you could send me that pinout info before then, as I need to get alarm on my bike asap. Last bike got stolen!
Thanks!
Have you got the pineout info...??? Please PM me.
Nice one TSM. This is just what I need to adjust the sensetivity of my alarm. Are both S4's going to use the same method to enter dealer mode do you think? I'm not sure if I have the red or green.
Nice one TSM. This is just what I need to adjust the sensetivity of my alarm. Are both S4's going to use the same method to enter dealer mode do you think? I'm not sure if I have the red or green.
yup they use the same sequence
green is a cat 2:1 alarm, usualy it will be used on bikes that have their own built in imobiliser that is already cat 2 rated
red is a cat 1 alarm, used on bikes that have no cat rated imobiliser, but its possable that red ones are installed where a green one would be enough
come down to the SV meet in soho on friday, ile give it to you then
no the pinout is not online, i back tracked it all as i bought a loom with it installed, traced it all out and created a pinout myself, i also have the offical installers manual (not the wiring diagram), now i know it works as i installed it on one of my bikes and checked it against 3 system4Red alarms to make sure, i just did not cut the ignition
TSM - You offer help then don't respond. Guess you're ignoring my posts? Figured out the pinout info myself.. and it wasn't like trying to find the the Holy Grail! Bike thieves normally just cut chains and put bikes info vans, not trail through forums seeking advice...most of them can't read anyway!
Anyone that needs any help on this let me know!!! ...Because> that's what's forums are for.
You've got to admit trek it looks a bit dodgy. Thieves aren't going to remove the alarm system on a bike at the side of the road but if they want the bike to be used after it'd be pretty handy info.
rictus01
29-09-09, 10:37 PM
TSM - You offer help then don't respond. Guess you're ignoring my posts? Figured out the pinout info myself.. and it wasn't like trying to find the the Holy Grail! Bike thieves normally just cut chains and put bikes info vans, not trail through forums seeking advice...most of them can't read anyway!
Anyone that needs any help on this let me know!!! ...Because> that's what's forums are for.
You've got to admit trek it looks a bit dodgy. Thieves aren't going to remove the alarm system on a bike at the side of the road but if they want the bike to be used after it'd be pretty handy info.
I quite agree, TSM put up a bit of info to help people he knows, along comes a stranger, and whether you searched for the info and found the site (as that's what it looks like) or not, it comes across as dodgy,most people would have introduced themselves first, the normal stuff, what your name is, where you are from, what bike you have, the normal things, I'd have though you would be known to either someone on the LB forum or here being as you say from e London, but that seems not to be the case, I to would be acting prudently .
Cheers Mark.
I hear you people need to be care with info that gets passed around but if I was a bike thief that needed to remove a bike alarm, all I would need a multimeter, wire info for the bike and and some wire cutters and tape. It would save time if I had wire diagram for alarm but would not be necessary. All I asked for was the Pinout info as I bought used alarm off the net and would make job easier if I had it...failing that, could ask someone who has the same alarm on their bike since these alarms are pretty popular.
TSM said he'll pass on info at some SV meet in Soho (like he's some sort of copper, lol) then when I asked him about it he didn't reply!
Some guys need to not take themselves too seriously! I had my bike stolen and just trying to avoid or make it harder for this one being stolen but ..end of the day if someone's really wants to steal a bike, they will steal it! That's why we have insurance right?
rictus01
29-09-09, 10:55 PM
TSM said he'll pass on info at some SV meet in Soho (like he's some sort of copper, lol) then when I asked him about it he didn't reply!
:laughat: hear that Ric, set up for the sting mate.....:smt082
I quite agree, TSM put up a bit of info to help people he knows, along comes a stranger, and whether you searched for the info and found the site (as that's what it looks like) or not, it comes across as dodgy,most people would have introduced themselves first, the normal stuff, what your name is, where you are from, what bike you have, the normal things, I'd have though you would be known to either someone on the LB forum or here being as you say from e London, but that seems not to be the case, I to would be acting prudently .
Cheers Mark.
Point taken...so let me start again.
Hi guys, name is T, from E London. I'm not part of a crew but I've heard of and seen the lot that go down Soho, Frith St from Ace because I go to the jazz club Ronnie Scotts sometimes on a Fri. I actually don't ride a Suzuk at alli...but rather Kwak ZX6. Yes I found the forum doing a search after looking for info on installing this used alarm bought of ebay.
I'm new to the forum was looking for has some info about installing Datatool S4 Red but TSM seems to think I could be some bike thief!
I've already got some info here and and the installers manual and diagram. I'm almost there but not 100% sure on the pinout info, so can TSM or someone please give me some advice? Obviously incase the info gets into the WRONG hands you wouldn't want to post here but you can PM or email me.
Thanks kindly
T
UPDATE- Anyone that wants this info I have. Please PM me and I will HELP, share and advise as that's the general idea of the forum. If I wanted to be a copper I would have signed up for the cadets in Hendon, a longtime ago...No Thanks!
muffles
03-11-09, 03:40 PM
UPDATE- Anyone that wants this info I have. Please PM me and I will HELP, share and advise as that's the general idea of the forum. If I wanted to be a copper I would have signed up for the cadets in Hendon, a longtime ago...No Thanks!
Bit harsh mate, I can see it from TSM's point of view.
ZX-6R you say? Whereabouts do you live - send me your address please, I'll watch out for any dodgy people near your house! I'll turn up to meet you at a Kwak meet on Friday to prove I'm legit. But give me your details before then. Oh, and you've got a Datatool S4?
See?
Actually...you've missed the point, didn't go down like that. Get facts right before you make your comments..
muffles
03-11-09, 04:14 PM
I just re-read it and I got the facts exactly right. What do you think I got wrong?
You asked for some information, which TSM said he didn't want to give without being comfortable you weren't going to use it for nefarious purposes. He said he'd give it to you if he met you, as it gives a fair bit of comfort that you are legitimate. However you asked him to give you the information *before* he had a chance to meet you.
In my example, I asked for some information I could use for nefarious purposes. I said I'd meet you , to prove I'm legitimate. However I asked you to give the information *before* I'd met you.
Sounds the same to me! I can see exactly why TSM was being careful, no point helping the thieves out so he has to be sure. Saying "I doubt a thief is going to do this" - if you had been a thief (I don't think you are, btw) what else would you say? "Sorry mate, you caught me fair and square, I was trying to find out info to help me overcome these alarms"? I would be pretty surprised to hear someone admit that!
I wasn't having a go at you but pointing out TSM's viewpoint, which you have steadfastly failed to appreciate throughout this thread. With your response to me, I think it's time I gave up being nice to you!
Hey, I'm not looking for anyone to be nice to me mate!
The point I was making was...So I got to the bike meet in Soho, have a few beers with TSM he passes over the info to me. Who says I'm not a bike thief. Being careful or selective who you share stuff like that with..I appreciate but asking someone to go to a bike meet to check them out is a bit extreme. That's what I was going on about being a copper...in humour. TSM just last year didn't know much about this Datatool info as was asking around for help...I'm just a guy that also wanted some help too. In a forum...everyone hangs out a and talk and exchange info with among each other. Because someone's NEW, there isn't always reason to be judgemental or suspect that their not legit.
Anyway...it's all good!
rictus01
03-11-09, 05:05 PM
I see the point you're trying to make (I think) but how to get a stuck pin from your calipers or what tyres to use is different to security advice, after all that info could renders anyones bike with that alarm more vulnerable in unscrupulous hands, I can pretty much "hot wire" any SV, but this isn't information I'd freely disseminate, but would and have done for a forum member in the past as
A.) they were known to me
B.) they were in a fix
C.) knowing them I was sure they wouldn't use it inappropriately.
online persona's can be anything you want them to be, history/ time and known associations are what gives credibility, unfortunately you have neither at present, had you already been to some meets and met TSM I doubt it would have been an issue :smt102
Cheers Mark.
Hey... I hear you all. It's all good, like I say. Nice to meet you all! I actually think some people here take themselves too serious! Lighten up a little..
Like you say, anyone can search the internet (without joining forums like this) in a couple hours an be armed with enough info to steal bikes. Pinouts? Who needs that to steal a bike? C'mon son! Lol
rictus01
03-11-09, 05:48 PM
Oh all up for a laugh at the right time & place, but security (and safety for that matter) issues aren't a "fun" thing in my book, Oh and pin outs are the key to circumventing an alarm and hot wiring a bike, I'd be less than impressed should someone provide said information as a bit of a "giggle".
As to the "Son" are you talking from the otherside then Dad.....;)
Cheers Mark.
muffles
03-11-09, 06:07 PM
Hey, I'm not looking for anyone to be nice to me mate!
The point I was making was...So I got to the bike meet in Soho, have a few beers with TSM he passes over the info to me. Who says I'm not a bike thief. Being careful or selective who you share stuff like that with..I appreciate but asking someone to go to a bike meet to check them out is a bit extreme. That's what I was going on about being a copper...in humour. TSM just last year didn't know much about this Datatool info as was asking around for help...I'm just a guy that also wanted some help too. In a forum...everyone hangs out a and talk and exchange info with among each other. Because someone's NEW, there isn't always reason to be judgemental or suspect that their not legit.
Anyway...it's all good!
I know what you're saying, it's not going to be 100% accurate on "detecting thieves" but it's going to take a lot lot more balls for a potential thief to come to a meet first to get the info. It sounds silly but (I think) realistically they'll not turn up, etc. I have had a bike stolen too (with a tracker on it as well) and it makes me happy to see that this info isn't being spread about to everyone (especially since I have an S4, lol). I wouldn't put it past a thief to come on bike sites to help his "pastime" - admittedly, I expect the main thing they'd be looking for would be bikes, and location/security information, and also they'd probably be on GSX-R web sites or something, but if they were browsing - they'd surely pick up on any useful info like this?
I hope anyone who might have given TSM the info would check his story out a bit too :) the problem is, he's so well known on this forum, it looks biased when he then refuses you the info. There's not much he can do but explain why and hope people understand.
I hope anyone who might have given TSM the info would check his story out a bit too :) the problem is, he's so well known on this forum, it looks biased when he then refuses you the info. There's not much he can do but explain why and hope people understand.
Not only refuses the info (like it's some secret lead to the Holy Grail), but totally ignores messages and posts directed at him prior to the Soho meet. That's the sole reason why I didn't turn up - I asked him, to confirm the meet details (read above) so I new exactly where it was. No reply... then wonders and comments via PM that I didn't show! That if he was a copper, I wouldn't want run into him in Soho or anywhere!
TSM - Yes.... that's right, I said it! Now you can ban me if you want!!!
muffles
04-11-09, 12:28 PM
Not only refuses the info (like it's some secret lead to the Holy Grail), but totally ignores messages and posts directed at him prior to the Soho meet. That's the sole reason why I didn't turn up - I asked him, to confirm the meet details (read above) so I new exactly where it was. No reply... then wonders and comments via PM that I didn't show! That if he was a copper, I wouldn't want run into him in Soho or anywhere!
TSM - Yes.... that's right, I said it! Now you can ban me if you want!!!
Fair enough re: getting there, I don't know what went on (or didn't go on) outside of forum posts, so can't comment there. I hope it can be resolved amicably anyway!
asteer17
05-11-09, 07:04 PM
If anyone has found how to access the dealer manual i would be very greatful for the info as i want to turn down the sensitivty of my datatool s4 red, its doing my nut in and the dealer who fitted it is 30-40 miles away :(
kawajoe
06-08-21, 11:49 AM
Hey
I know this is an old thread. Is TSR still active?
I understand security concerns but I'm struggling with repurposing my S3 red.
Used to have it on my old 125 but kept killing the battery. Long story short took it off and part ex the bike. Got a new bike and wanna repurpose the S4.
Only prob is some of my labels have detached from loom.
Any chance of some help? I think I'm 95% there just every combo of 4 wires in question keeps activating the alarm.
I hope someone can help and save me £350 for a new alarm to be fitted.
Joe
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kawajoe
15-08-21, 10:40 AM
Can anyone help?
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I don't have one but after a quick google others have said an established alarm installer will re-install it for about £80. Have you inquired about that possibility?
Datatool seem to have done a good job with their document security and I suppose it makes sense that even if a member or rider did know the wiring connections, he wouldn't want it published since it effectively reduces the security on his bike.
Finally, there seem to be a lot of Datatool owners complaining about their alarms (battery drains, and triggering unnecessarily) and asking how to remove it. Maybe a tracker (if you wanted to go electronic) or a disk lock might be another option? I find that car alarms go off so frequently, I often don't register them anymore.
Hope you get it sorted.
kawajoe
16-08-21, 05:26 PM
Thanks seeker. Every installer I have spoken to won't touch it. Only install alarms they supply!
Yes I understand the reluctance of people wanting to post publicly.
I have other security for the bike. It would just be nice when out on a meet knowing I can arm it and walk away. Yes I carry a disc lock under the seat always.
Thanks for the suggestions.
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R1ffR4ff
17-08-21, 08:30 AM
I stick one of these under my rear seat along with a disc lock for the rear wheel/disc. Cheap and cheerful,
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/384147188171?hash=item5970f
£10 ish.
If you have a spare old Android phone you can install the free,"Globio" app,
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.alarmsystemlite.focus&hl=en_GB
with a cheap PAYG Sim card in the phone and set it up as a Tracker/Alarm which can call or text you if the bike is moved.
HTH :)
shiftin_gear98
17-08-21, 09:39 AM
Having had a Datatool alarm fail on my bike and the bike cut out mid corner at speed.
Not only was it a bum clenching moment, but I then had to push the ****er 3 miles to a relatives house.
It kept sporadically blowing the 30 amp fuse until I removed it.
Personally as it's off the bike I'd throw it in the bin, like I did with mine once I removed it.
Save yourself the hassle. Plus if you are half ar5e trying to install it yourself you could be opening up a massive can of electrical gremlins. Which will be a bitch to rectify.
My insurance went up a whole £9.00 when I told them it wasn't on anymore.
kawajoe
23-09-21, 06:20 AM
Thanks for your reply's guys. I already have a monimoto tracker on it. Just wanted that extra peace of mind. As working in central London ever deterrent helps.
I managed to work out the pin out. And will be fitting it this weekend. The problem turned out to be the fob! Somehow unpaired itself to the alarm.!!!!! [emoji23]just goes to show even if you see the red led light up when pressing the button, don't assume it's worked.
I'll get my local dealer repair it when the bike gets serviced next.
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