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that i really want a drz 400??
they seem to be cheap new about 4k?? so hopefully second hand be even cheaper! would want it dare i say just to be a hooligan, wheelies and just mucking about on ( private road of course cough!). Em any input?
Alpinestarhero
25-12-08, 05:49 PM
No. got for it. Have one. I must say, i would love one for riding in london, but not sure how I would mount a topbox.
fatneck
25-12-08, 05:52 PM
not wrong at all, do it. christmas-present-to-self perhaps?
fatneck
25-12-08, 05:54 PM
hey alpine, what does it say under the James Hetfield on your avatar?
Alpinestarhero
25-12-08, 05:59 PM
"for when emo's just need a punch" or similar. But its not about that line, its about The Het.
fatneck
25-12-08, 06:00 PM
Cool :-)
I've seen Metallica loads, they never fail to deliver. Awesome.
Alpinestarhero
25-12-08, 06:03 PM
I've seen them once. At reading this year.
Oh.
My.
Good.
God.
fatneck
25-12-08, 06:11 PM
I was there this year as well, they sure kicked ass.
Sorry to the OP for turning the DRZ 400 post into a Metallica love-in :-)
Alpinestarhero
25-12-08, 06:19 PM
Metallica = good, DRZ = good
get a DRZ, its the bike form of metallica. Metallica in two wheels.
just work on those neck muscles :mrgreen:
hmm... what is the opinion on these actually off-road e.g. jumps occasional moto x bike.
Any other bikes out there similar?
Alpinestarhero
25-12-08, 06:26 PM
i think they'l be ok off small jumps, they have reasonably longer travel suspension. I asume its harder than a more dedicated off-roader becaue of the road bias. But you could have a bit of a laugh on it
My mate takes his off roading all the time - he swears by it
He's no pro off roading but then again I assume your not either
So go for it :)
-Ralph-
26-12-08, 08:49 AM
If your looking at new then it won't be very good off road, they only come in the supermoto version now. On road they are a hoot. An older off road version should be quite good for green laning.
still looking what is people opinion on using the drz to commute say 40miles (80 miles round trip?) not sure if i am aloud to have 4bikes in the garage yet? so may trade in the sv?
I was looking at getting a DRZ, but i decided to get an SV instead.
A 2006 DRZ can be found on ebay for just over 2 grand with low mileage. If you want to do offroad stuff on it, then you can buy a set of the enduro version wheels, but its not a case of just swapping the wheels, the brake heights are different but it can be done.
The other alternative would be the KTM SMC650. Wow, what a beast. The loudest bike i have ever heard and they look great, but will set you back £3000 for a used one.
Get one.
im tempted enough!!:rolleyes:
what about that commute though 40miles? 80 mile round trip A-roads? cheers
fatneck
26-12-08, 08:24 PM
If you've got 4 bikes, then you won't need to do the commute on the DRZ anyway, ja? Or are they not all your bikes :-)
tigersaw
26-12-08, 08:37 PM
Page Lone Wolf - he bought mine off me. I never enjoyed it much be he certainly has warmed to it.
I wouldnt mind one, but i think i need a KTM RC8 more :P
yeah if i get it will have 4 bikes if dont sell the sv. TL not exactly most fuel friendly for the commute, yamaha xj600 would be ok just bit boring for the 40miles! and the the trusty*cough* sv650
-Ralph-
27-12-08, 10:29 AM
If you want to do offroad stuff on it, then you can buy a set of the enduro version wheels, but its not a case of just swapping the wheels, the brake heights are different but it can be done.
I'd be very interested in more detail on this if you know exactly how it should be done...
I've looked into it with the XT660, but you do it the other way round. You buy the XT660R enduro version, a set of XT660X supermoto wheels and a replacement 'R' brake disk. Fit the smaller 'R' brake disk to the 'X' wheels and remove a small plastic fender extender style mudguard and the wheels and disk bolt straight in. Then you can change from 'R' to 'X' within 1/2 hour. It's also recommended you upgrade the forks with preload spacers they are too soft for a supermoto, but apparantly thats a good mod for an 'R' anyway. You end up with one of these....
http://www.xt660.com/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=947
I asked the Suzuki dealer in Edinburgh about converting the DRZ as that was what I originally wanted to do, but they said the front axles were different so the SM wheels won't bolt into the Enduro forks. If this is wrong I'd be dead pleased as a DRZ is much lighter and more suited to green laning than the XT.
-Ralph-
27-12-08, 10:40 AM
still looking what is people opinion on using the drz to commute say 40miles (80 miles round trip?) not sure if i am aloud to have 4bikes in the garage yet? so may trade in the sv?
You'll find the seat a bit hard, need to get some padded cycling shorts. TBH thats not what the DRZ has in mind, in 40 miles of open Scottish roads you'd soon get tired of a lack of power as well. It doesn't have the same potential for a quick 90mph blat past a long line of traffic as the other bikes in your collection.
yamaha xj600 would be ok just bit boring for the 40miles
Well if you ask me you've already got your commuting bike! If your not going to use it for commuting get it on ebay, because it has no other uses and so why do you have it? ;)
Keep your other bikes nice and clean and ready for fun, and make the divvy do the job it was built for! You can always jump on one of the other bikes on a sunny morning if you're a bit bored.
scooby2102
27-12-08, 05:43 PM
Go for it, they are great fun, not the comfiest of seats as has been said but they can be modified easily enough
ok went looking today and i have ended up very very confused and was wondering if you lot could help. Went into an offroad dealer and they have a new DRZ 400 in say they got it in last week has the 09 stickers on. (had a look but i wouldnt be able to tell the difference between the 08 &09 stickers). However there is more it appears this is the E? version i think? PLastic fuel tank, knobbly tyres, 2 inch higher suspension, no indicators rwu forks instead of usd ones, no speedo just the odometer??:confused: I thought they stopped making them? As i say i am confused now? After advice on here seems the e is the one to go for as can always put the sm wheels on etc but i thought they stopped doing them? help:confused::confused::confused::confused:
Batteryman
27-12-08, 08:14 PM
I commute my sv650 curvy about three times a week in good weather along the A406. I only learnt to ride in the middle of this year so I'm a 44yr old novice.
I also have ridden an 08 drz-400sm and it is like riding a bicycle in comparison. Speed isn't an issue as you can't go that fast on these roads, but it is extremely light, very easy to manouvre, but ultimately lacks a bit of poke.
Personally I would be torn between them, but the sv wins with a touch more power. I suspect a Ducati 696 sits nicely between them both with decent power, but a more upright riding postion than the sv. Of course the 696 costs £££ and the DRZ are certainly excellent value for money.
I think the decision has to come to personal preference, and the roads you use.
any one any idea on my previous post though? and what about its use on the road with no indicators etc etc cheers
I'd be very interested in more detail on this if you know exactly how it should be done...
I really have no idea, i just heard it could be done.
However, a good place to start looking would be http://www.thumpertalk.com/ which is an american based forum but it does have some british members and a dedicated section for the DRZ400. I'm sure you could find your answer on there.
-Ralph-
28-12-08, 11:13 AM
they only come in the supermoto version now
ok went looking today and i have ended up very very confused and was wondering if you lot could help. Went into an offroad dealer and they have a new DRZ 400 in say they got it in last week.... PLastic fuel tank, knobbly tyres, 2 inch higher suspension, no indicators rwu forks instead of usd ones, no speedo just the odometer??:confused: I thought they stopped making them?
Yep, you have me confused too. I'm only going by what Saltire told me and I could easily be wrong as I didn't research it any further (and whilst Saltire should know better than us, they are still human and not all knowing super-beings either!).
I'm now off to google the 'E' version and see what I find. I'll post up what I find.
Which dealer did you go into? Also worth checking if the one you saw was road legal!
I specifically asked Saltire about the possibility of buying an enduro version and doing a supermoto conversion. I was told the enduro version was no longer on sale and that a supermoto conversion wasn't possible anyway. I'm not surprised by this because as you rightly say the two use different forks, so I wouldn't necessarily expect the SM wheels to be a straight bolt-in to the normal 'E' forks.
An SM conversion, even if it was possible, wouldn't be as good as a genuine SM because of lack of USD forks, better brakes, etc.
I specifically looked for a bike all where this could be done and end up with a supermoto, off roader and commuter all in one bike, with only a quick wheel swap necessary after the conversion was completed. The XT660 was the answer, but the only one's I managed to get confirmed that the rear swingarm was the same was the 2004-2006 bikes. This isn't to say the 2007 swingarm is different, just that I don't know, it's something I'd need to get confirmed if I wanted to buy a 2007 bike. Also I forgot to post above that the speedo cable needs moved to the outside of the forks to accommodate the wider tyre.
the brake heights are different but it can be done.
After advice on here seems the e is the one to go for as can always put the sm wheels on
I really have no idea, i just heard it could be done
Don't rush out and buy a bike based upon advice you get on a forum. None of us are all knowing super-beings and all of us could easily be wrong about something. It's as good as speaking to a drunk old man in the pub. ;). Ask the experts and do your own research.
-Ralph-
28-12-08, 11:53 AM
The US Suzuki website has a DRZ400S which it says is a "road legal" DRZ400E. It also has the DRZ400SM.
The UK website only has the SM.
The French website doesn't have either.
So what Saltire told me is probably correct about the Enduro version no longer being on sale, though Suzuki clearly still make them, you'd probably have to import one from a country that has them on sale or buy secondhand. I suspect the one you saw in the off road dealer was not road legal. Could you make it road legal? I have no idea but this may help http://www.motostrano.com/sucokistle.html
As for what Saltire told me about conversion, that may be the case for the Supermoto to Enduro conversion, but look at these http://www.motostrano.com/sucoki.html for converting the other way round. Best check they would fit a UK spec bike though and enquire about shipping costs to UK (or if you are confident look at what parts you need and buy on ebay!).
as it stood it was not road legal but the dealer told me he would register it and put it on the road, i think it would need horn, indicators brake light, high/low beam. It is definetly the e version with the plastic tank etc just got me a little confused expected to see the sm but then there was an e there which i thought they stopped doing?
Anyway after having a look on other forums like thumper talk you Can get supermoto wheels for the e:) yes it wouldnt be as good as the sm but i really want to try offroading too. Will have to wait and see on monday as getting a phone call then. Cheers
-Ralph-
28-12-08, 02:50 PM
as it stood it was not road legal but the dealer told me he would register it and put it on the road, i think it would need horn, indicators brake light, high/low beam. It is definetly the e version with the plastic tank etc just got me a little confused expected to see the sm but then there was an e there which i thought they stopped doing?
Anyway after having a look on other forums like thumper talk you Can get supermoto wheels for the e:) yes it wouldnt be as good as the sm but i really want to try offroading too. Will have to wait and see on monday as getting a phone call then. Cheers
Let us know how you get on and how much the dealer would want for it OTR? I'm sure there will be fork upgrades available for the 'E/S' that would make it closer to the SM. Are the wheels the guys on thumpertalk are using OEM suzuki SM wheels? Or are they using an aftermarket wheel like those supplied with the Motostrano kits?
it seems to be a mixture, i will let you know on monday although i am getting concerned myself that the bike will not be able to be used on road but the dealer said he would sell it on the road so presume he would need to put on all the necessary bits are they
horn
high/low beam
brake light
indicators
anything else?
will let you know on monday cheers
-Ralph-
28-12-08, 05:57 PM
it seems to be a mixture, i will let you know on monday although i am getting concerned myself that the bike will not be able to be used on road but the dealer said he would sell it on the road so presume he would need to put on all the necessary bits are they
horn
high/low beam
brake light
indicators
anything else?
will let you know on monday cheers
Not sure what the comprehensive list is but a rear reflector should be on there I think, which is why tail tidies are supposed to be for track use only.
Not sure indicators actually need to be on there, unless they are fitted by the manufacturer from new, then you don't need them for an MOT and are expected to use hand signals, but maybe thats just for vehicles over a certain age.
The DFT's website should keep you straight.
the_lone_wolf
28-12-08, 06:32 PM
righto, not been on the forums much over xmas so missed this one...
firstly, about the S/SM/E models
the S and SM are exactly the same except for the SM having 17" wheels, USD forks and a better front brake (stand is shorter and there's probably some very minor differences but that's the main stuff)
the E model is different, it has a 39mm FCR carb where the S has a 36mm CV carb, the head has fewer gaskets so the compression is slightly higher and stock it doesn't come with road papers or anything you need to make it road legal, it also has an off-road silencer
it's pretty simple to mod the S model to E spec
the dealer will most likely be registering the E model as a type approval exempt enduro bike, as it doesn't meet the requirements for type approval and modifying it to do so is very time consuming and pretty costly, if you're expecting lights i'd ask as they're not a legal requirement, only a horn is required
secondly, personally i wouldn't buy new, you could probably pick up a used one for well under half the price which has barely been run in, just a thought
any questions just shout:cool:
righto, not been on the forums much over xmas so missed this one...
firstly, about the S/SM/E models
the S and SM are exactly the same except for the SM having 17" wheels, USD forks and a better front brake (stand is shorter and there's probably some very minor differences but that's the main stuff)
the E model is different, it has a 39mm FCR carb where the S has a 36mm CV carb, the head has fewer gaskets so the compression is slightly higher and stock it doesn't come with road papers or anything you need to make it road legal, it also has an off-road silencer
it's pretty simple to mod the S model to E spec
the dealer will most likely be registering the E model as a type approval exempt enduro bike, as it doesn't meet the requirements for type approval and modifying it to do so is very time consuming and pretty costly, if you're expecting lights i'd ask as they're not a legal requirement, only a horn is required
secondly, personally i wouldn't buy new, you could probably pick up a used one for well under half the price which has barely been run in, just a thought
any questions just shout:cool:
thanks could you go more into this type exempt enduro bike? would i still be able to ride it on the road, would i have problems insurance wise and mot's cheers
i really like the drz but i think i'd get a ccm 644 if i was getting a supermoto just out of preference cool bikes though.
Oh and the reason for new is the 0% finance
Oh and the reason for new is the 0% finance
that is very tempting :cheers:
yeah although everywhere up here seems to have closed until jan:smt072
how much are they new about £3.5k
yep, irritated though as all the dealers up here seem to close until Jan 5th,(going as far down as edinburgh!) so doesnt look like be able to get the 0% finance, crappy holidays:smt019
absoloute bargain when you look at what your getting.
how much are r30's going for do you know.
the_lone_wolf
28-12-08, 09:16 PM
thanks could you go more into this type exempt enduro bike? would i still be able to ride it on the road, would i have problems insurance wise and mot's cheers
every new vehicle less than 10 years old has to get something called european whole vehicle type approval before it can legally be sold and used on the road in europe, it's essentially a test of everything on a vehicle from exhaust emissions and noise to how far from the ground the brake lights are - manufacturers put a sample vehicle through the test before they send them to dealers so one certificate applies to all examples of the model sold - without the certificate you cannot register a new vehicle on the road, unless...
you can submit a unique vehicle such as a trike or chopper for the motorcycle single vehicle approval test (MSVA), a slightly scaled down version of the EWVTA test, the same rules apply and you'll have to provide evidence for any aspect that can't be tested during the inspection, if it passes you'll get a ministers approval code (MAC) that you put on the DVLA form when registering the bike
the only way to register a bike that has no EWVTA number and hasn't passed an MSVA test is if it is exempt from type approval, exemptions exists for several catagories, one of which is enduro bikes that essentially are used off public highways but have to travel on short sections of highway to get between enduro stages, whhether the bike meets the requirements of the enduro catagory if it's being used socially on the road is dubious at best, and nobody has found out what the dvla might do if they find the vehicle being used - but there are plenty of people with bikes registered in this fashion (my KTM for example)
basically, registering it using the enduro "loophole" is much easir and cheaper than submitting it for an MSVA test, and a dealer can do it on a new bike with no questions asked, although to me it seems like a proper legal grey area...
insurers don't care how the bike is registered, if it's on the list of online insurers bikes then you'll find it no more difficult than any other bike, if it's not then you have to phone around, my ktm is one of only 6 or so that i know of that are registered in the UK and i managed to get insurance on it as a "misc KTM motorcycle under 600cc"
MOTs don't care either, you submit the bike and so long as it meets the MOT requirements it'll pass, on the E model you'll have to fit a horn and probably road legal tyres
i still reckon you'll kick yourself for buying a new one, even with 0% finance you're still paying more than double what a pristine used bike would cost you, if you're buying on finance because you haven't got the money right now then i hope you don't get into money worries with the economy going down the pan or you'll end up in a whole heap of it...
every new vehicle less than 10 years old has to get something called european whole vehicle type approval before it can legally be sold and used on the road in europe, it's essentially a test of everything on a vehicle from exhaust emissions and noise to how far from the ground the brake lights are - manufacturers put a sample vehicle through the test before they send them to dealers so one certificate applies to all examples of the model sold - without the certificate you cannot register a new vehicle on the road, unless...
you can submit a unique vehicle such as a trike or chopper for the motorcycle single vehicle approval test (MSVA), a slightly scaled down version of the EWVTA test, the same rules apply and you'll have to provide evidence for any aspect that can't be tested during the inspection, if it passes you'll get a ministers approval code (MAC) that you put on the DVLA form when registering the bike
the only way to register a bike that has no EWVTA number and hasn't passed an MSVA test is if it is exempt from type approval, exemptions exists for several catagories, one of which is enduro bikes that essentially are used off public highways but have to travel on short sections of highway to get between enduro stages, whhether the bike meets the requirements of the enduro catagory if it's being used socially on the road is dubious at best, and nobody has found out what the dvla might do if they find the vehicle being used - but there are plenty of people with bikes registered in this fashion (my KTM for example)
basically, registering it using the enduro "loophole" is much easir and cheaper than submitting it for an MSVA test, and a dealer can do it on a new bike with no questions asked, although to me it seems like a proper legal grey area...
insurers don't care how the bike is registered, if it's on the list of online insurers bikes then you'll find it no more difficult than any other bike, if it's not then you have to phone around, my ktm is one of only 6 or so that i know of that are registered in the UK and i managed to get insurance on it as a "misc KTM motorcycle under 600cc"
MOTs don't care either, you submit the bike and so long as it meets the MOT requirements it'll pass, on the E model you'll have to fit a horn and probably road legal tyres
i still reckon you'll kick yourself for buying a new one, even with 0% finance you're still paying more than double what a pristine used bike would cost you, if you're buying on finance because you haven't got the money right now then i hope you don't get into money worries with the economy going down the pan or you'll end up in a whole heap of it...
thanks mate, it would be my first new bike, my concern about buying one of these 2nd hand is that they may have had a hard life could be buying someone else s*it as it were, will look into though. I am also limited in choice as i live north east Scotland not many private sales of drz round here that means dealers second hand prices and they seem to be stupidly high.
I think by the looks of it the the e may be the wrong model choice for me and the sm would be more sensible due to the distance needed to go to the track here (after fitting off road tyres) brings me onto the next question how road legal is an sm with off road tyres do you get road legal off road tyres?? As you can tell first off road bike would the sm be able to handle all the basic stuff( after fitting knobbly tyres)
Thanks Again
the_lone_wolf
28-12-08, 10:11 PM
thanks mate, it would be my first new bike, my concern about buying one of these 2nd hand is that they may have had a hard life could be buying someone else s*it as it were, will look into though. I am also limited in choice as i live north east Scotland not many private sales of drz round here that means dealers second hand prices and they seem to be stupidly high.
I think by the looks of it the the e may be the wrong model choice for me and the sm would be more sensible due to the distance needed to go to the track here (after fitting off road tyres) brings me onto the next question how road legal is an sm with off road tyres do you get road legal off road tyres?? As you can tell first off road bike would the sm be able to handle all the basic stuff( after fitting knobbly tyres)
Thanks Again
you won't kill a drz without something drastic, people have ridden for several hours int he desert with no air filter sucking sand into the piston and not killed them - buying used isn't difficult, and with the way things are right now it's a buyers market...
fitting knobblies to an sm raises a few questions, you'll almost certainly have to inform your insurer but a decent one will accommodate, the brakes may be a bit too powerful for off road tyres so either fit the S model setup or learn to be gentle, this also means the disc is more likely to catch on rocks and ruts etc, the USD forks are also more vunerable to damage and general wear from off road riding so a pair of gaiters might not be a bad idea - other than that it should be fine
Think about which model you want before you buy.
S is road legal / part offroad bike - but needs some minor mods for any regular offroad use (sprockets as its geared too high)
E is the offroad bike with more powerful engine- very worthwhile as the extra 10hp isnt cheap to add with aftermarket bits- but not road legal - no idea how much it costs to register/add in the electrics etc
SM is road legal/fun/track bike but not good for off road use
it's pretty simple to mod the S model to E spec
any questions just shout:cool:
Is it simple?? - carb £200-300 plus new choke/throttle linkages, new cams/shims, high compression gaskets. Would be happy to get a bit more from my DRZ but it looks expensive?
the_lone_wolf
28-12-08, 11:23 PM
Is it simple?? - carb £200-300 plus new choke/throttle linkages, new cams/shims, high compression gaskets. Would be happy to get a bit more from my DRZ but it looks expensive?
more simple than adding everything to the E to make it daylight road legal with the dvla, if you can find a dealer willing to do it for you then great, if not i know from experience that preparing an off road bike for use on the road isn't as simple as it seems at first
replacing the carb is a half hour job tops once you know how to do it, that'll give you the most for your money, the cams would prove more time consuming but it's hardly a piston replacement or complete strip
personally i wouldn't bother doing the gasket or the cams, beyond the carb is pointless if you want performance, you should buy a different bike...
I looked at a DRZ when I got rid of the SV and got my insurance pay-out, but test drove one and decided I didn't think I could put up with one on a daily basis.
Now though I have been looking again as having it as a second bike for days when the weather isn't too great, as the plastics are cheap to replace as opposed to the RR's which are expensive, should I have an issue.
The only problem is money and the missus..............oh yeah and a decent 2nd hand one isn't out the for less than £2.5k.
way too MOR for me. Slightly hypocrytical since I ride an SV however....
-Ralph-
29-12-08, 04:35 PM
way too MOR for me
???
daved407
29-12-08, 08:40 PM
I have a few points from my own experiences. I wanted a supermoto for years and having ridden road bikes since 80s people said I would get bored too easily. Anyway I had the money and had the chance of getting a road test DRZ when I happened to meet the local KTM dealer who for a little more had a LC4 supermoto for sale. It was more expensive but it already has brembos, white power, braided hoses etc. Ive had both my road bike since 04 and the KTM since 2005. This spring I noticed that the KTM had higher mileage than the road bike. So I think that speaks for itself.
My trip to work on the Autobahn was about 30 miles each way on the road bike. Using the KTM took a little longer but I only used backroads, i arrived at work in a great mood most days. Better than just straightlining it on the autobahn!
daved407
29-12-08, 09:30 PM
As far as I know both KTM and CCM did fairly straightforward changes of wheels from cross wheels to road.
well i did after much deliberation went down to perth today and but a used drz400sm with a few goodies on it. However by the time i left perth it was about 1700 and dark and saying it was about -2C anyway rode back home taking it easy wow feels much different to a normal road bike where the hell you sit on that huge seat!:rolleyes: got back dont know what was worse the bits of slidy road or the huge amounts of salt on some bits! some pics...
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u95/ad53ggz/004.jpg
My garage slightly clutered got to feel sorry for the lone bike in the shed:)
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u95/ad53ggz/forinternet1.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u95/ad53ggz/021.jpg
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u95/ad53ggz/020.jpg
this was on the car in the drive when i got home as can be seen was slightly chilly
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u95/ad53ggz/003.jpg
and i also got a new helmet
http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u95/ad53ggz/025.jpg
More pics bound to come in daylight cheers
fatneck
30-12-08, 10:51 PM
nice one, looks cool. give us a review once you've had it a bit longer
-Ralph-
30-12-08, 11:01 PM
Very trick, and as your a hooligan you'll love it!! ;)
Bet it sounds lovely with that Yoshi pipe.
the_lone_wolf
30-12-08, 11:02 PM
well i did after much deliberation went down to perth today and but a used drz400sm with a few goodies on it. However by the time i left perth it was about 1700 and dark and saying it was about -2C anyway rode back home taking it easy wow feels much different to a normal road bike where the hell you sit on that huge seat!:rolleyes: got back dont know what was worse the bits of slidy road or the huge amounts of salt on some bits! some pics...
looks trick mate
normal supermoto riding position is where your elbows are at right angles
sit forward to put weight on the front wheel for mega corner speed
sit back to shift your weight for wheelies
as for the helmet, it's a bit tame for the mental SM image... shouda got one like my "little old lady and kiddy frightener" :
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/8121/dscf7071smalltl9.jpg
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/3422/dscf7073smallyy3.jpg
;)
Very trick, and as your a hooligan you'll love it!! ;)
Bet it sounds lovely with that Yoshi pipe.
me?? :rolleyes:
yeah sounds nice burbles on the overun its fun!, i think it may be a full system not sure yet though.
the_lone_wolf i do like that helmet thats awesome!!!:cheers: So you do just shift about on the seat thats what i thought just making sure wasnt the best go for the first run! but still :mrgreen::mrgreen:
woohoo, so I'll have 2 bikes for a test run now :)
nice one mate!
u sure will!! you still looking at your toy?
ohh and does anyone know how/if you can adjsut a zeta clutch lever it looks a bit like this
http://www.crfsonly.com/catalog/images/zeta-pivot-perch-hot-start.jpg
the_lone_wolf
31-12-08, 12:22 AM
yeah sounds nice burbles on the overun its fun!, i think it may be a full system not sure yet though.
looks like a full yoshi RS-2 system to me
just remember it's not road legal, even with the baffle in so watch out for the law;)
looks like a full yoshi RS-2 system to me
just remember it's not road legal, even with the baffle in so watch out for the law;)
shhhhh! i said "think" it was:rolleyes: best of luck with your sale mate, the only thing i really struggle with no mirrors!! think i will look at getting some!
u sure will!! you still looking at your toy?
it looks like I'll need one for commuting, one for touring and a c*r for temperatures like today. Bloody hell!!!
well thats my excuse for having the four!
well thats my excuse for having the four!
You sure your a student?
yeah but i work more than go to uni!:smt019
the_lone_wolf
31-12-08, 11:18 AM
shhhhh! i said "think" it was:rolleyes: best of luck with your sale mate, the only thing i really struggle with no mirrors!! think i will look at getting some!
your lifesavers will improve no end, i don't mind not having mirrors on the KTM, you adjust your riding style to compensate, now, having no mirrors or indicators makes driving through town interested;)
having no mirrors or indicators makes driving through town interested;)
what you mean you drive just like your a cage driver now:rolleyes:! yeah will take a bit of getting use to just wish had slightly nicer weather went out today for a bit roads still icy going to go back out in a bit i think,
the_lone_wolf
31-12-08, 12:38 PM
what you mean you drive just like your a cage driver now:rolleyes:!
nope, before i was born people used these things called hand signals to indicate which direction they're about to turn, apparently you can still use them today, and you can accomplish everything with observations that you can with mirrors, just requires a bit of dedication - plus mirrors on a supermoto look gay;)
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