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chris8886
03-01-09, 01:05 AM
i am lucky enough to be able to keep my bike in a garage away from the crapest weather where it's a little warmer. whenever it's been in the garage (even if not used for a few days) and i wheel it out, it starts first time no problems.
however if it's been left out in this particularly cold weather we're having currently over night, then the next day it won't start (i can't even manage to bump start it!). like the battery is drained, some jump leads and it's no problem to start it and it then runs fine.
so... do i need to stop being a tight git and splash out on a new battery or does the .org think there is some other underlying problem?
thanks in advance
thefallenangel
03-01-09, 01:09 AM
depends. Do you charge the battery and how often have you done this?
If you've tried to bump a few times chances are batteries knackered otherwise a good charge with an optimate might save it.
But if the batteries old anyway might as well just replace it.
chris8886
03-01-09, 01:52 AM
i don't put it on a charger very often at all because i use it quite almost daily and the charger is on my other bike for the winter. i did stick the optimate on it the first time this happened, but then only left it out in the cold for over night for the first time during christmas.
MattCollins
03-01-09, 06:07 AM
Chris,
It might be knackered, but...
Cold temperatures, will reduce a batteries discharge rate. The battery can seem flat when it is fully charged. Usually warming the battery by giving it a tickle with a charger is enough to get it going again. The symptoms become worse as the battery ages.
A battery tender not only keeps a battery charged, but also warm and is a worthwhile investment in colder climates.
Cheers
Sid Squid
03-01-09, 11:48 AM
Cold temperatures, will reduce a batteries discharge rate. The battery can seem flat when it is fully charged.
Umm, other way 'round, no? Cold temps reduce battery performance, if it seems flat it probably is, and if it repeatedly does so then something is wrong, don't persevere with a knackered part, temperature is undoubtedly important, but you could put it in the oven if you want to it's not going to heal up.
Check bike first, specifically for charging and battery leaks, but ultimately I'd say your battery is goosed, yes it's true that cold weather will lessen available charge, but if yours constantly plays flat bin it, it won't get better and the even best battery charger in the world can't work miracles.
MattCollins
03-01-09, 03:30 PM
Umm, other way 'round, no? Cold temps reduce battery performance...
That is what I said in different words. :)
if it seems flat it probably is...
Not neccessarily, cold temps reduce battery performance...
It is almost possible to shut a new battery down at very low temperatures and a halfway decent battery does not lose its charge at those temperatures. The low temperature creates the illusion of a flat battery by inhibiting the battery's ability to deliver cranking Amps. Trying usually just damages the battery. Warm it up and it will deliver full cranking amps.
don't persevere with a knackered part, temperature is undoubtedly important, but you could put it in the oven if you want to it's not going to heal up.
A little far fetched... No one said anything about a miracle cure. :)
Chris's battery probably does need replacing but from the description in his original post, I got the impression that temperature could be at least part of the cause of his problems.
Cheers :)
Matt
I think Matt and Sid are saying effectively the same thing (how's that for diplomacy? ;) )
All I'd add is that this is the sort of condition where cold cranking amps (CCA) or equivalent measure is critical. This is often what you'll be paying for with a premium battery. For a SV650 a battery with a CCA rating in the realms of 200A is advisable, you'll find cheaper alternatives with nominally the right amp.hour (Ah) rating might be as low as 120-140A.
An example is the Yuasa YTZ range, but there are others. Honda dealers do them at very *reasonable prices.
(* well it's not reasonable, but competitive)
Batteryman
03-01-09, 07:03 PM
I think Matt and Sid are saying effectively the same thing (how's that for diplomacy? ;) )
All I'd add is that this is the sort of condition where cold cranking amps (CCA) or equivalent measure is critical. This is often what you'll be paying for with a premium battery. For a SV650 a battery with a CCA rating in the realms of 200A is advisable, you'll find cheaper alternatives with nominally the right amp.hour (Ah) rating might be as low as 120-140A.
An example is the Yuasa YTZ range, but there are others. Honda dealers do them at very *reasonable prices.
(* well it's not reasonable, but competitive)
Good comment, we test lots of different brands and some of them are frankly awful. If you buy a good brand you won't go far wrong. IMHO the Varta/Yuasa batteries are among the very best. The newer YTZ definately have more ability to deliver high currents for starting, but are a tad more expensive. The SV doesn't need a huge amount of power to turn it over, so I can't honestly recommend them for general use. However, if you keep your bike outside and the temp drops to -5 or more like tonight, then the extra power is a useful reserve.
chris8886
03-01-09, 07:26 PM
ok, all helpful comments, thank you all.
so, my battery is probably goosed and some have said some are crap and some good. i don't mind spending a bit more on a new one if it's gonna last longer. on account of this, what would people recomend to me? bearing in mind my bike ususally has the luxury of a garage, but every now and then it does get left out and doesnt get to see an optimate very often. which one is going to be best for me?
thanks again
SoulKiss
03-01-09, 07:47 PM
Good comment, we test lots of different brands and some of them are frankly awful. If you buy a good brand you won't go far wrong. IMHO the Varta/Yuasa batteries are among the very best. The newer YTZ definately have more ability to deliver high currents for starting, but are a tad more expensive. The SV doesn't need a huge amount of power to turn it over, so I can't honestly recommend them for general use. However, if you keep your bike outside and the temp drops to -5 or more like tonight, then the extra power is a useful reserve.
Hmm I need a new battery for my SV in the near future - .org Discount?
metalmonkey
03-01-09, 07:52 PM
I have been having simlar issues, in that the battery has gone flat in several days, then the bike wouldn't start...When I put the bike on the optimate it says that my battery is weak.
However my bike has been running fine for well since I got back to London! Its started okay for work, then getting home, to soho and back then to watford and back today! Thats running heated grips on full power.
I do have a data tool alarm on the bike, as well. So will a good run sort the bike out? Its going back to have alarm looked at....I just hoping that it just needs a long run to get back up and running.
Batteryman
03-01-09, 08:07 PM
Sure, I'll fix something up, on Monday for the org members
chris8886
04-01-09, 01:17 PM
Sure, I'll fix something up, on Monday for the org members
i like you a lot all of a sudden ;) which particular battery would you think will suit my bike best?
i like you a lot all of a sudden ;) which particular battery would you think will suit my bike best?
yausa YTZ14S, more CCA than the 12, same size as the 12, newer gel type battery, ive got one on my SV and it now turns over and fires even on freezing days in less than 1s compared to my old battery which was on its way out after 5yrs, if it was not so cold then the battery would have been fine but my engine does not like slow cranking, does not help that its had the engine timing advanced. WEMOTO £69, get good battery it will last you.
The SV doesn't need a huge amount of power to turn it over, so I can't honestly recommend them for general use. However, if you keep your bike outside and the temp drops to -5 or more like tonight, then the extra power is a useful reserve.
You think, well compared to a IL4 its hungry for power, compared to TL i would say that even then it may be on par with it as the TL has decompressers that make it easier to start.
ps. A few things that people can do to help their bikes start in this cold weather.
1. Turn of all lights (granted cant be done on pointies) and heated grips etc..
2. Dont start bike in gear
3. If you have clutch bypass mod done, still hold clutch fully in when starting.
yausa YTZ14S, .......... WEMOTO £69, .
Pop into your local Hondoody dealer and you should get a genuine Yuasa/Honda one for £50 (http://www.hondaofbournemouth.co.uk/part.aspx?part=5761) to take away.
Pop into your local Hondoody dealer and you should get a genuine Yuasa/Honda one for £50 (http://www.hondaofbournemouth.co.uk/part.aspx?part=5761) to take away.
Sure, for the YTZ, normaly its YT14B, mine is a YTZ14S which is the gel ones, YT14B are taller batteries.
Check the £50 link (http://www.hondaofbournemouth.co.uk/part.aspx?part=5761)
Check the £50 link (http://www.hondaofbournemouth.co.uk/part.aspx?part=5761)
coolio, get that then
Sure, I'll fix something up, on Monday for the org members
I was just about to buy a cheap EasyStart battery when I saw this. I'll hold off until tomorrow now, give you more .org business :)
Biker Biggles
04-01-09, 04:38 PM
Just to clarify??????
If I walk into a Honda dealer and ask for a battery for a NTV700 Deauville I should be supplied with a YTZ14S for £50???????
Batteryman
04-01-09, 04:51 PM
I was just about to buy a cheap EasyStart battery when I saw this. I'll hold off until tomorrow now, give you more .org business :)
Ok here it is.
YTX12-BS £32.50 inc vat delivered.
YTZ14-BS £48.00 inc vat delivered.
This is for genuine Varta product, exactly the same as the Yuasa, (made in same factory)
To order you will need to call Debbie Birch on 0800 310 2100, we are going to be super busy tomorrow, so you may want to call on Tuesday.
chris8886
04-01-09, 07:40 PM
Ok here it is.
YTX12-BS £32.50 inc vat delivered.
YTZ14-BS £48.00 inc vat delivered.
This is for genuine Varta product, exactly the same as the Yuasa, (made in same factory)
To order you will need to call Debbie Birch on 0800 310 2100, we are going to be super busy tomorrow, so you may want to call on Tuesday.
it's my day off tommorrow i'll be ringing then! :D do i/we need to quote you or something to get this rather good price?
and just to be totally clear, what makes the more expensive one better?
Batteryman
04-01-09, 07:45 PM
Please only talk to Debbie, she will be the only one who can give this deal.
The YTZ series has a significant higher cold cramping amps, and therefore will have a much better chance in the cold weather.
I will post more detailed info and comparisons in a day or so.
Ok here it is.
YTX12-BS £32.50 inc vat delivered.
YTZ14-BS £48.00 inc vat delivered.
This is for genuine Varta product, exactly the same as the Yuasa, (made in same factory)
To order you will need to call Debbie Birch on 0800 310 2100, we are going to be super busy tomorrow, so you may want to call on Tuesday.
Brilliant.
Many thanks, I've been reading all the battery threads over the weekend trying to decide which battery to get. Even went to Halfrauds this afternoon ( Only cause I fancied a ride and couldn't get the bike started!)
Glad I decided not to chance it with any of theirs!
I shall be phoning Debbie first thing!:)
chris8886
05-01-09, 11:39 AM
thank you one and all for the help and info here. the .org has saved me once again :D
ps. ordered just now. debbie sounds lovely! ;)
She does indeed :) Thanks Batteryman and MDS :thumleft:
Airwolf
05-01-09, 05:10 PM
just like to say thanks as well, been having probs with my battery too, bike does not get out as much as i would like. (stuck working in a van all day). ordered the bigger battery, so should hopefully see me right.
thanks again...
Alpinestarhero
05-01-09, 06:33 PM
I was getting problems with my heated grips not working in the mornings when the bike was cold; turned out, the battery was on its last legs (poor efficiency) even though it was charging etc etc. I have a new Yuasa one in there now, and I've noticed:
The bike starts easier, no problems with the heated grips.
An optimate charge did do something for my old battery, but not much.
[edit] i paied twice that amount for my yuasa!!! grr
Batteryman
05-01-09, 10:41 PM
And you didn't get to talk to the lovely Debbie either!
(should I post a pic?)
yorkie_chris
06-01-09, 01:22 AM
(should I post a pic?)
Do you have to ask?
chris8886
06-01-09, 10:43 AM
And you didn't get to talk to the lovely Debbie either!
(should I post a pic?)
Do you have to ask?
just incase you understand yorkie's code. YES! :rolleyes: hth
Batteryman
06-01-09, 11:08 AM
OK I'm working on it, requires a certain amount of stealth
SoulKiss
06-01-09, 11:21 AM
If I order, can I pick the battery up rather than have it delivered.
I assume in those conditions, one still has to deal only with Debbie :)
Batteryman
06-01-09, 11:22 AM
Sure you can collect.
Monday-Friday 9am-5.30pm
Arrived already!! (Nice pic btw:D)
Thankyou for the offer batteryman, I just ordered a YTZ14-BS and got an optimate for good measure.
My battery decided to give up the ghost on new years day and I decided a propper charger is probably a better idea than yesterdays evening with the multimeter some resistors and a crappy car charger :)
Biker Biggles
06-01-09, 03:46 PM
Oh nice pic,but what are those hands doing above Debs right ear?
chris8886
06-01-09, 04:30 PM
my battery arrived at work today. wish i'd seen that picture sooner, would've come and collected it personally! :D
Airwolf
06-01-09, 05:59 PM
got mine today too, i wish i had see the pic first as well. she looks veeeeeeeerrrry nice.
can i have a job with you please?
Batteryman
06-01-09, 11:18 PM
I'm not sure that pic was a good idea.
Perhaps if you come to the bike show at Ally Pally you will be able to meet her IRL
nice pic when it was there.
just realised you work for mds, good company, always get my replacement supply of APC UPS batteries from them
Wow amazing service, my battery and optimate arrived this morning.
No more multimeters and resistors for charging and crossing my fingers before starting my bike :)
Oops, have I bought the wrong battery? It's an inch or 2 taller than my old one. My bike's a naked curvy btw.
The battery fits in the holder, but is too tall to sit the fusebox holder back on top.
Batteryman
08-01-09, 03:21 PM
Can you let me know what your old battery was and what you ordered?
The old one is a YT12A-BS
The new one is a YTX12-BS
Thanks for the speedy reply!
Batteryman
08-01-09, 03:31 PM
That is definately the wrong size!
You can use the YTZ14S-BS which is the same size as the YT12A-BS but higher performance.
Give Debbie a call to sort it out for you.
I feel like an idiot. I usually check things like this properly, and am the first to criticise people for this kind of thing! I thought all SVs took the same size. Oh, well, assume makes an ass of u and me!
Anyway, I spoke to Debbie, lovely woman, and have bought the other one for £48.00. I need to return the old one now for refund, she gave me a number for the return. Where do I need to write this? How do I go about sending it back. Should have asked her but I thought it'd be on the website.
Cheers
yorkie_chris
08-01-09, 04:49 PM
Can you just take the fusebox tray out? Try that, the tray does sod all.
Yeah that would work, but I like to do things properly (as long as it's not too expensive!).
I'm just a little worried about the fuse box sliding around and getting damaged over time.
I've ordered the new battery now anyway.
Just had a brainwave.... why am I returning the old one? I bought it at a massive discount, I should sell it on ebay for profit.
Think I might phone debbie back and order a hundred more haha!
Yeah that would work, but I like to do things properly (as long as it's not too expensive!).
I'm just a little worried about the fuse box sliding around and getting damaged over time.
I've ordered the new battery now anyway.
Just had a brainwave.... why am I returning the old one? I bought it at a massive discount, I should sell it on ebay for profit.
Think I might phone debbie back and order a hundred more haha!
your old battery, was it pre-activated or do you still have the liquid in a seperate container?
I didn't activate it, just took it out the box and sat it next to the one I took out the bike.
metalmonkey
08-01-09, 07:44 PM
I have been having simlar issues, in that the battery has gone flat in several days, then the bike wouldn't start...When I put the bike on the optimate it says that my battery is weak.
However my bike has been running fine for well since I got back to London! Its started okay for work, then getting home, to soho and back then to watford and back today! Thats running heated grips on full power.
I do have a data tool alarm on the bike, as well. So will a good run sort the bike out? Its going back to have alarm looked at....I just hoping that it just needs a long run to get back up and running.
Problem solved my alarm was faulty got a new put into the bike today its already running a lot better, the alarm was taking power away by the looks of it. Well at least the issue is solved now.
jamesw1024
12-01-09, 04:13 PM
Thank you BatteryMan
I've just fitted heated grips and the battery's not happy, time for a new one
On a slightly different note I first found MDS on the web for IT kit for work, I thought your service was excellent then, it was only after that I noticed your add in a bike mag and realised you did bikes too
I'll try to point a bit more work business in your direction
cyphertheory
20-01-09, 10:41 AM
just ordered from debbie :) thanks batteryman
Batteryman
24-01-09, 04:36 PM
Thanks for all the comments, offer will remain open at present.
We will be at the Ally Pally show at the end of Feb so drop by for a chat if you are coming along.
husky03
15-02-09, 06:20 PM
Batteryman are you still doing this offer?
cheers
Husky
Batteryman
16-02-09, 07:46 AM
Yes we are.
Call Debbie on 0800 310 2100
husky03
16-02-09, 05:25 PM
cheers-will be phoning tuesday
stewart-250
08-03-09, 11:41 AM
Another late request, is this deal still available?? Looking for a YTZ14-BS for a curvey.
cheers
Stewart
Batteryman
08-03-09, 02:15 PM
Sure give Debbie a call.
stewart-250
13-03-09, 09:20 AM
Totally fantastic service. Ordered Monday afternoon and arrived on Tuesday afternoon. Great battery too, could start a tractor on a cold morning.
thanks again
Stewart
5v5 rider
13-03-09, 10:52 AM
probably a daft question this but here goes....the ytx14 is a little bit taller than the ytx12 my bike currently has, will the taller battery still fit under the seat....I know I know, daft question just wanna make absolutely sure...you know how it is.
cheers
Batteryman
13-03-09, 10:53 AM
No I don't think it will, the YTX12 is pretty tight.
5v5 rider
13-03-09, 11:03 AM
No I don't think it will, the YTX12 is pretty tight.
Cheers for that mate!! I'll be giving Debbie a call then!!
YTZ14-BS £48.00 inc vat delivered.
This offer still on ? :smt039
Batteryman
19-03-09, 07:36 AM
Sure no problem.
Luckypants
19-03-09, 10:04 AM
I ordered a new one for the DRZ via this offer, arrived yesterday and is now waiting to be fitted after activation / charging.
Top Man BatteryMan!
Wow, speedy service or what !!
Ordered yesterday 3.30, arrived today 12.00 noon.
Thanks Batteryman excellent service and a great price :salut:
cyphertheory
20-03-09, 03:30 PM
ordered another battery for my falco, again great service from MDS +1 internets for them :)
wyrdness
25-03-09, 02:54 PM
And a YTX12-BS ordered for the Speed Triple. I'd have liked the YTZ14-BS but suspect that it won't fit in the battery compartment.
Update: Was ordered at around 4pm on Wednesday and arrived on Thursday. Very good, quick service, thanks.
Hi Batteryman,
Is this offer still on?
Thanks
Tony
wyrdness
27-03-09, 01:25 PM
Hi Batteryman,
Is this offer still on?
Thanks
Tony
It was still on two days ago when I ordered.
Well the offer was on - I gave MDS a call and spoke to Mike (Debbie was of sick unfortunately!). Anyway, I ordered a YTZ14S-BS for £48 delivered and it was here within 24 hours.
Great service again, thanks MDS.:D
One slight problem though...
When I've activated the battery and left it for 30 minutes as instructed it's only lighting up 3 of the 4 lights on my Optimate?!:( I've put it on charge overnight and will report tomorrow how it gets on with a starting attempt.
Turns out it wasn't a problem. After a 24 hour spell on the optimate it was lighting up all 4 sections of the charger.
Started instantly when I pushed the starter button!:p
Batteryman
03-04-09, 03:05 PM
Glad Debbie is keeping everyone happy.
I have a couple of bits of good news.
Firstly I have a few YTR9-BS. These are a high powered version of the YTX9-BS. £39.99 to anyone interested.
Secondly I now have a pretty complete line of original OE Yuasa batteries in stock.
Prices will remain as before for the Varta ones, but you are getting a slightly better battery. eg Varta YTX12 has a rating of 90A EN where the Yuasa ones are 180 EN !!! Should turn over a tractor
thinman
06-04-09, 02:13 PM
just to say i've just added myself to your customer list. Cheers looking forward to some easy starting riding pleasure!
My battery might be goosed.
Without having the bike to hand, can anyone tell me what battery I might need for a 2001 curvy?
Thanks!
Batteryman
16-04-09, 07:07 AM
For a curvy you will need YT12A-BS for a pointy it is a YTX12-BS
Call the lovely Debbie on 0800 310 2100 to order.
For a curvy you will need YT12A-BS for a pointy it is a YTX12-BS
Call the lovely Debbie on 0800 310 2100 to order.
Why not just get him to have a YTX14 (i know its a lil more money)?
I have one in my curvey and it fits fine, better for the cold starts.
Batteryman
16-04-09, 09:09 AM
The YT12A-BS and YTX14-BS share the sdame footprint, 150mm x 87mm but the YTX14-BS is tallerat 145mm, 40mm taller.
I wasn't sure there was 40mm spare space under the seat for the taller battery.
Performance wise the Yuasa YTX14 is 200A CCA rated and the Yuasa YT12A-BS is 175.
Capacity is larger at 12Ah v 10Ah.
If it will fit it would certainly give a bit more performance.
yorkie_chris
16-04-09, 11:38 AM
There should be enough room, but probably not if you have had to raise it to fit a proper rear shock.
The YT12A-BS and YTX14-BS share the sdame footprint, 150mm x 87mm but the YTX14-BS is tallerat 145mm, 40mm taller.
I wasn't sure there was 40mm spare space under the seat for the taller battery.
Performance wise the Yuasa YTX14 is 200A CCA rated and the Yuasa YT12A-BS is 175.
Capacity is larger at 12Ah v 10Ah.
If it will fit it would certainly give a bit more performance.
Sorry i ment YTZ14, its not as high as a YTX14, mabey Varta dont do it, i know yausa do as thats what i have in my bike.
Batteryman
16-04-09, 01:56 PM
Sorry i ment YTZ14, its not as high as a YTX14, mabey Varta dont do it, i know yausa do as thats what i have in my bike.
OK, yes the YTZ14 is 150 x 87mm as well, but 110mm tall making it pretty much the same same size as the original battery.
Yuasa make a YTZ14S and claim it is the only one with true YTZ technology. The Varta book claims the same 230A CCA rating however.
I only have the Yuasa one in stock.
With all the talk of different battery types it's confused me this morning, even after the rocket fuel theyy call coffee.
Could I please have a summary on this....Require replacement battery for 2002 Curvey.
Current Battery: YT12A-BS
Other than a like for like replacement, what other battery can I use, without worrying about fitment?
Thanks.
Batteryman
11-06-09, 09:06 AM
Personally I would say replace it with either another YT12A-BS or a YTX9-BS, there is not a lot between them, the YT12A-BS costs a bit more and has a higher starting output, but either will start your bike fine.
http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/images/products/Fullsize/YT12A-BS.jpg Product Code: YT12A-BS
Brand:Yuasa
Voltage:12 v
Capacity:10 Ah
Dimensions:150mm x 87mm x 105mm
More info (http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/shop/productprofile.asp?ProductGroupID=2047)
http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/images/products/Fullsize/YTX9-BS.jpg Product Code: YTX9-BS
Brand:Yuasa
Voltage:12 v
Capacity:8 Ah
Weight:2.5 Kg
Dimensions:150mm x 87mm x 105mm
More info (http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/shop/productprofile.asp?ProductGroupID=976)
Thanks for the prompt reply batteryman, and I see you shop is out of stock until August :sad:
Ok, will have to shop around to see if I can get me one of these.
Just spoke to a colleague of yours, as Debbie was on the "squark box" and he advised me that unfortunately August is the earliest date of delivery for the YT12A-BS :sad: so will see who else has one of these.
Thanks for your help.
Jinxy43
11-06-09, 09:56 AM
Slloyd I pick a YT12A-BS from Premier in West Wickham, just over 2 weeks ago, although it was slightly more expensive that Batteryman
Just thought you would like to know
Jinxy, just phoned them and they have them in stock, albeit a little bit more pricey. So will pick one up on Saturday.
Thanks.
madnlooney
07-09-09, 08:03 PM
is the offer still going for the YTX12-BS £32.50 inc vat delivered?
Batteryman
08-09-09, 07:22 AM
Yes it is. Call Debbie on 0800 310 2100
And we have them all in stock again!
I know this thread is a little old but is this offer still on. Need a new battery for my curvy
Batteryman
29-12-09, 06:47 PM
Debbie is on Holiday till the 4th Jan, give her a ring for the latest .org discount rates.
Thanks i'll phone in the new year. what batterys do you stock that will fit a curvy.
southy1978
21-01-10, 07:25 PM
Debbie is on Holiday till the 4th Jan, give her a ring for the latest .org discount rates.
Hi i'm after a battery for my k6 sport, if you do a heavy duty one it'd would be great. What sort of price am i looking at paying?
Batteryman
22-01-10, 08:02 AM
For a curvy you will need YT12A-BS for a pointy it is a YTX12-BS
There is no specific "upgrade" for the YTX12, but the lates ones we are selling from Yuasa are now rated 180A EN which is more than enough for any K6.
Price £32.90 inc VAT.
Link for YT12A-BS Information
http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/shop/productprofile.asp?ProductGroupID=2047
Link for YTX12-BS Information
http://www.mdsbattery.co.uk/shop/productprofile.asp?ProductGroupID=838
Call the lovely Debbie on 0800 310 2100 to order.
Son of a beesting
10-02-10, 12:15 PM
Hi
I think I need to replace the battery in my pointy, so can I ask if this deal is still going?
Batteryman
10-02-10, 03:05 PM
I don't think the pride has changed,. As usual, call the lovcely Debbie on 0800 310 2100.
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