Engraving EU/BS markings on a race can.

[New Leaf]

I bumped into an old school friend the other day and he has his own engraving business now, he usually does watches and pens and stuff, but he can do pretty much anything.

I'm currently looking at a new can and the two i like the look of best are not road legal, and i was thinking about getting one and then geting my mate to engrave it with the EU/BS markings to make it look legal.

Do you think that would work, or would i end up in prison?

[Dan]

I bumped into an old school friend the other day and he has his own engraving business now, he usually does watches and pens and stuff, but he can do pretty much anything.

I'm currently looking at a new can and the two i like the look of best are not road legal, and i was thinking about getting one and then geting my mate to engrave it with the EU/BS markings to make it look legal.

Do you think that would work, or would i end up in prison?

Conspiracy to pervert the course of justice? Fraud? Who knows, but there's probably all sorts of nasty laws against it.

Technically, I would guess that not only you, but your mate as well could end up in prison. I doubt that would actually happen, but it's definitely not too clever.

Buy a legal can, or just accept that you might get done.

[SVDragRacer]

I suppose it would depend on the cans themselves, if they're hideously loud then it might not be so believible, but if they're reasonable cans that wouldnt offend anyone then i see no reason why not. I have twin renegade cans on my bike which one of the previous owners has put their own BS stickers off something on them and they've passed MOTs for years. Good luck!

[husky03]

you'll be the soap picker upper

[Lozzo]

You do not need eu/bs markings on your exhaust - it is not a legal requirement.

[Baph]

You do not need eu/bs markings on your exhaust - it is not a legal requirement.

+1.

The markings aren't legally required anymore, so why would you want to falsify your exhaust (claiming it obeys standards when it doesn't)?

You can have a road legal (when baffles are in) and still get a fine for it (because you removed the baffles, making it too loud).

In fact, if you want to buy a race can, I think a DB Killer would probably fit, look OK, and be BS/EU marked, without risking legal comeback.

Insurance wise? You have an off (hopefully not), and the inspector sees what he knows full well to be a race can, but it has an EU/BS marking. Big red flag!

Your risk, you decide. :)

[Dangerous Dave]

Has anyone got any links to this change in law, not MOT, that you nolonger need a 'E' or 'BS' stamp?

[yorkie_chris]

Just put a dB killer in it, or leave it alone and accept a slap on the wrist if you get caught.

My fuel can is laughably still E marked.

[Dave20046]

Has anyone ever had an issue with insurance and mentioning racecans? I'm guessing not as most of you will be able to afford premiums/avoid crashes.

[ArtyLady]

Has anyone ever had an issue with insurance and mentioning racecans? I'm guessing not as most of you will be able to afford premiums/avoid crashes.

Hubby and I just declare we have non road legal cans and the broker find insurers who will accept them. :cool:

[Dave20046]

I didn't know they'd insure non road legal. Although I was talking more about when the bike is being swept up....

[ArtyLady]

I didn't know they'd insure non road legal. Although I was talking more about when the bike is being swept up....

The only problem is the insurer you are with may not accept them. What would happen in the above scenario? I have no idea and dont intend to find out! [-o<

[startrek.steve]

Has anyone ever had an issue with insurance and mentioning racecans? I'm guessing not as most of you will be able to afford premiums/avoid crashes.
Yep, I claimed on my insurance (Write-off) and they mentioned the "race use only" markings, my heart dropped, but they then said because I had informed them of the non-standard can, they would pay up!
Not complaining though!
Steve

[Dave20046]

Yep, I claimed on my insurance (Write-off) and they mentioned the "race use only" markings, my heart dropped, but they then said because I had informed them of the non-standard can, they would pay up!
Not complaining though!
Steve
Hypothetically speaking of course if I was third party fire and theft anyway it doesn't seem too much of a risk insuring it as completely standard in comparison to the raise in premium. Would I be wrong in thinking that?

[Baph]

Has anyone got any links to this change in law, not MOT, that you nolonger need a 'E' or 'BS' stamp?

No links from me, just conversations with a local MOT test centre, and "local" plod.

One of the plod I've talked to was at Ponderosa, stopping bikes & purposefully checking exhausts/plates as they entered the car park. His words were basically "So long as it doesn't say 'not for road use' or words to that effect, you wouldn't get a ticket."

In the case of insurance & accidents, it's been known for repairers to ask if you want an aftermarket exhaust, as they're cheaper than stock ones!

[speedplay]

Has anyone ever had an issue with insurance and mentioning racecans? I'm guessing not as most of you will be able to afford premiums/avoid crashes.


My bike was written off in august with a renegade race can on it.
Police were involved (as they had caused it) and I had no problems.

I had it recovered back to my address and slipped on the standard can and screen ect before it was collected to be scrapped.

[Dangerous Dave]

Has anyone ever had an issue with insurance and mentioning racecans?
No, my insurance company know the M4 system is not marked and not road legal. However, the Akrapovic system is on the documents as road legal, which it is but only with the baffle in.

I will say that it is best to declare it, and any modification you make. I was involved in an accident where I was hiot side on whilst stationary, I didn't declare my SRAD front end and the other insurance company tried to declare me uninsured to the court. Bear in mind I was stationary, the front end or braking had no involvment in the accident.

No links from me, just conversations with a local MOT test centre, and "local" plod.
I don't think it is a law, I think it is just depends on the police in your area as to how they play it. I know in Dorset you need to have a 'E' or 'BS' stamp, the traffic police will tell you this too, the police look for the stamp and if it has no stamp you get a ticket. If it wasn't applicable how come everything comes stamped, including reflectors and lenses?

I agree that it isn't required at MOT time, its the tester discretion, but I am talking about the Polices view which I haven't yet seen anything stated you no longer need an approved stamp.

[Stig]

Hubby and I just declare we have non road legal cans and the broker find insurers who will accept them. :cool:

Same here. I have a letter stating that. :)

[timwilky]

Agreed MOT does not need any stamps, this went some years ago. It is now a simple subjective test, and any stamping must not say "Not for road use", "Race use only" etc.

However, Plod is not VOSA. They do not work by MOT rules, but by the law. The law states that the bike must conform with construction and use regulations, and that requires an exhaust to be stamped with E or BS stamps. Most plod are ignorant of the C&U requirements.

Chances are that you would only get a rectification notice, you ride down to your pet MOT man who says "Yes, it complies with the MOT requirement" stamps the rectification notice and away you go having done nothing but exploit the difference between the two sets of requirements.

[Dangerous Dave]

Agreed MOT does not need any stamps, this went some years ago. It is now a simple subjective test, and any stamping must not say "Not for road use", "Race use only" etc.

However, Plod is not VOSA. They do not work by MOT rules, but by the law. The law states that the bike must conform with construction and use regulations, and that requires an exhaust to be stamped with E or BS stamps. Most plod are ignorant of the C&U requirements.

Chances are that you would only get a rectification notice, you ride down to your pet MOT man who says "Yes, it complies with the MOT requirement" stamps the rectification notice and away you go having done nothing but exploit the difference between the two sets of requirements.
Thats exactly what I thought Tim, I haven't seen anything that says differently and I have a friend who is a high ranking traffic cop who tells me the same.

[New Leaf]

I have a friend who is a traffic cop.

Shame on you!:mad::mad::smt019;)

[Dangerous Dave]

Shame on you!:mad::mad::smt019;)
Comes in handy when the law tries to screw you over!

[SoulKiss]

I have a friend who is a high ranking traffic cop who tells me the same.

I thought Brunstrom didnt have any friends :P