Abba (stands).....

[etuna]

......sold me a stand, debited nearly a ton from my account, quoted 3 days delivery then subsequently emailed me and said they were out of stock and had a 2 week order backlog. :(

Did email me and apologise but bit naughty as they are still selling them without referring to any delay on the website.

[Sid Squid]

Still worth looking out an NWS if you can find one. Cancel your order if you can.

[Paws]

Treacles holding my nws one to ransom :(

[shonadoll]

That's a damn cheek taking your cash before dispatch.

[Speedy Claire]

A bike shop did it to me too when I ordered a helmet online... took the £199 out of my bank account then emailed me to say they were out of stock and it would be up to 3 months before new stock arrived.

[fatneck]

Which bike shop was that, just so we know...

[muffles]

Is this NWS site http://www.n-w-s.com/ misleading me into thinking they are still in business? (assuming that is the correct NWS stand)

I gather that one of the good things about the NWS is that it is universal between bikes, if the Abba uses tapered pins as well, how come it is not also universal?

[Sid Squid]

Abba doesn't use tapered pins, (it has adapters specific to each bike), and isn't as stable or easy to use.

That said there's nothing wrong with the Abba, it's just that the NWS is better, you're only going to buy one - get the right one.

[yorkie_chris]

I've got an abba stand and it's best garage-bit I've bought. But it is limited in use, so when I get chance I'll get some NWS-esque tapered pins made up to fit in the abba sockets. Wish I could afford a lathe!

[aarond]

Anyone got a picture of these or more specific about the tapered pins how long are they? Etc cheers

[yorkie_chris]

Dangerous dave did me the measurements, maybe he could pop the pic up on here?

Edit: well it was http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=113413 here, but pic is no longer floating around cyberspace.

[aarond]

Well here is hopeing he sees this cheers might send him a pm

[muffles]

Abba doesn't use tapered pins, (it has adapters specific to each bike), and isn't as stable or easy to use.

That said there's nothing wrong with the Abba, it's just that the NWS is better, you're only going to buy one - get the right one.

Is there a kit available that provides tapered pins? I've only ever seen an Abba in the flesh once...around 2-3 years ago...and it had a tapered pin attachment. It was being attached to my pointy, and I'm almost certain it wasn't a kit specific to the SV?

Alternatively, I did see a universal adaptor kit for the Abba actually, it's not tapered pins but it'll fit any M8 bolt hole - e.g. footpeg holes.

[yorkie_chris]

Aye that's the abba swingarm removal tool

[aarond]

Aye that's the abba swingarm removal tool
em i have got that it is actually just some bolts driled through where the pins are and the instructions say to remove one of the footrest hanger bolts and use them in its place i think

[yorkie_chris]

Yup.

[hob]

Abba is a pita to use on a pointy, unsure if I am not doing something correctly, but it cannot afaik be raised with the side stand down.

Thus it requires some fiddling with to "tighten" up the stand, whilst at the same time raising the kick stand, all whilst keeping the bike upright.

Nice bit of kit but need a bit of a balancing act when there is just one person to operate it.

[Tiger 55]

Abba is a pita to use on a pointy
You're doing it wrong!

[etuna]

Abba is a pita to use on a pointy, unsure if I am not doing something correctly, but it cannot afaik be raised with the side stand down.

Thus it requires some fiddling with to "tighten" up the stand, whilst at the same time raising the kick stand, all whilst keeping the bike upright.

Nice bit of kit but need a bit of a balancing act when there is just one person to operate it.

eh? I bought this on the basis that it was generally easy to use individually unlike paddock stands. Hmmmm:confused:

[Ceri JC]

Abba is a pita to use on a pointy, unsure if I am not doing something correctly, but it cannot afaik be raised with the side stand down.

The way I use it you can; the abba stand partially folds the sidestand up (about 1/3 of the way) as you rotate the abba stand into place. You can then flip up the sidestand the rest of the way by hand whilst it's in place.

As an aside, I actually find it takes more time to use the Abba stand than a paddock stand (which I can also use on my own quite happily), although it's still easy/quick. I tend to use it when I'll be doing anything that requires the bike to be held more firmly or the rear suspension to be uncompressed.

[chris8886]

Is this NWS site http://www.n-w-s.com/ misleading me into thinking they are still in business? (assuming that is the correct NWS stand)

I gather that one of the good things about the NWS is that it is universal between bikes, if the Abba uses tapered pins as well, how come it is not also universal?

that's just the website i've been on too. i really want one of these stands, but just can't find one. have been looking on ebay a fair bit but have had no joy :(

[DanAbnormal]

My Abba stand is the best purchase I've made for the bike. It's very sturdy and stable once on there and never had any issues putting it on either. Can't imagine it being any easier tbh but I would like to be able to get both wheel off the ground at the same time.

[timwilky]

old guy at the pub started pestering me about wanting to fit a centre stand to his bike for maintenance. I told him about NWS/Abba.

Next time he saw me he told me they were no good as he had no access to the swing arm mounts because of the exhaust on his bike. confused I checked and Abba do not list Bonneville amongst the Triumph models they have kits for. So hardly universal as for all bikes.

[Ceri JC]

My Abba stand is the best purchase I've made for the bike. It's very sturdy and stable once on there and never had any issues putting it on either. Can't imagine it being any easier tbh but I would like to be able to get both wheel off the ground at the same time.

Have you considered one of these?
http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=2

I've not used one, but it looks expensive for what it is. For the same money you could get one of these (managed to get it a bit cheaper IIRC), which I have:
https://sslsecurity.co.uk/AandrracingV2/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductLineID=277&CatID=84

More stable than the ABBA front lift looks and can be used with just a rear paddock stand (rather than ABBA). Only downside is as it goes through the headstock it might get in the way/prevent some jobs, but for 90%+ of front end work it's great. The other 10% is so infrequent that I'll just use the old "block of wood and car jack" bodge when the situation arises.

[Steve_God]

I'd highly recommend the ABBA stand!

It's a bit of an art to get it on, but once you've done it 3/4 times it's a piece of cake! :)
Never had any issues of stability or anything like that.

I did manage to find a front lift on eBay relatively cheap, and that makes popping the front wheel out SOOO much easier than faffing around with a front paddock stand.

[Dangerous Dave]

Is this NWS site http://www.n-w-s.com/ misleading me into thinking they are still in business?
NWS stop trading a few years ago, Pyramid Plastics bought the hugger side of the business and they slowly started to go bust since then. One of the engineers bought the rights to the stands and started his own company (ww.bikestands.co.uk) but this also has folded. Pyramid bought up the remaining stock, wasn't much as most stands were built to order near the end.

NWS stands are nolonger available, the next best you can get is ABBA but the problem with them is you have to buy a fitting kit almost everytime you change your bike. You also need to buy a swingarm removal kit with the ABBA stands, the NWS stands would mount to any hole or allen head bolt that was symetric on both sides.

[Dangerous Dave]

Dangerous dave did me the measurements, maybe he could pop the pic up on here?
I did, and unfortunately that image is on my home PC but the next time me and my PC are reunited I will repost that picture and PM it to anyone who may be interested.

[aarond]

cheers mate

[mike_avfc]

I love my Abba stand - would always reccomend one.

[hovis]

i want an ABBA stand, if anyone has one

and i think i read that someone was going to make a copy on here?

[philbut]

Have you considered one of these?
http://www.abbastands.co.uk/product_details.asp?id=2

I've not used one, but it looks expensive for what it is. For the same money you could get one of these (managed to get it a bit cheaper IIRC), which I have:
https://sslsecurity.co.uk/AandrracingV2/ProductDetails.aspx?ProductLineID=277&CatID=84

More stable than the ABBA front lift looks and can be used with just a rear paddock stand (rather than ABBA). Only downside is as it goes through the headstock it might get in the way/prevent some jobs, but for 90%+ of front end work it's great. The other 10% is so infrequent that I'll just use the old "block of wood and car jack" bodge when the situation arises.

I just use a trolley jack under the manifold or if I'm not removing the forks, I use my rear paddock stand (don't own a front one) together with the axle removal lugs to raise the front wheel - 10 second job.

I really rate the ABBA stand too, although the adaptors aren't cheap. I now make my own.

[hob]

You're doing it wrong!


It appears I may have the mounting kit the wrong way around :(

That'll teach me for not reading the instructions :smt040