View Full Version : I have a dilemma... Tomtom or Garmin?
joshmac
11-01-09, 08:47 PM
OK. I'm wanting to get a Satnav for my bike as my sense of direction is utter $hite :lol: (Birthday is on Friday :D)
Got a budget of around £260, so I've narrowed it down to the Tomtom Rider V2 from here (http://www.mynewcheap.co.uk/products/details/tomtom-rider-v2-gb-2nd-edition/10650/) (which comes with a free Scala Rider bluetooth headset for your helmet) and either the Garmin Zumo 400 (cheapest option at ~£215, no bluetooth, although nowhere seems to have these in stock) or the Zumo 500 which I can get for around £250ish, although that doesn't come with any headset, but has a headphone line in (whereas the rider doesn't)
Has anyone used both the Tomtom Rider V2 and the Garmin range?
How do they compare? Ease of use, routing times, getting a signal etc...
Is it easy to hear the instructions with the bluetooth Scala headset if you're wearing earplugs or travelling at motorway speeds?
I quite like the idea of being able to plan my own route on my laptop and then send it to the Satnav. All the above units seem to have this as a feature.
Also they all appear to come with RAM mounts, which from what I've read, are the dog's nads and won't come off like when I used a satnav mounted to the rev counter with the suction pad :-dd (I did manage to catch it with my left hand though :mrgreen:)
The Tomtom seems better VFM with the headset included (would have to use headphones with the Zumos), but it'd be no good if I could hear it :lol:
I have considered using a normal satnav with a plastic bag over it, but mounting it safely would be a problem (RAM don't make mounts for it, and I don't wanna use the suction pad on the rev counter ever again!)
Opinions please :cheers: and could I ask for no smart 'rse comments like "use a map" as I have tried that and it didn't work :smt019:lol:
MODS please move if this is in the wrong section.
Get a normal car one and a ram mount cost you £140 in total.
Get a normal car one and a ram mount cost you £140 in total.
what happens if it rain's and are car sat nav's shock proof like bike one's only thing's that's bother me about doing that.:D
Got a budget of around £260, .... Zumo 500 which I can get for around £250ish,
Find an extra fiver and get a much better unit, 550 (handlebar (http://www.gpsw.co.uk/details/prod4139.html)) or (clutch (http://www.gpsw.co.uk/details/prod4140.html)) mounted :)
Going on what others have said this one really is the dogs dangely bits. Have heard that the Tom Tom is supposed to be a better unit but their aftersales is utter rubbish :( where as Garmin will do all they can to help out, even after warranties have expired :)
joshmac
11-01-09, 09:17 PM
Find an extra fiver and get a much better unit, 550 (handlebar (http://www.gpsw.co.uk/details/prod4139.html)) or (clutch (http://www.gpsw.co.uk/details/prod4140.html)) mounted :)
Going on what others have said this one really is the dogs dangely bits. Have heard that the Tom Tom is supposed to be a better unit but their aftersales is utter rubbish :( where as Garmin will do all they can to help out, even after warranties have expired :)
£265 for the 550? Where did you see that?
You sure it wasn't £365? Otherwise I would...
DarrenSV650S
11-01-09, 09:23 PM
What I was told was that Garmin are better quality but I haven't tried a tomtom so I don't know which is better.
I just put my garmin in the tankbag to keep it dry and use headphones. I don't think it's a good idea trying to look at a satnav while your riding. I tried it in the clear section of the tankbag but found it a bit dangerous looking down all the time. Besides, if you have your route programed in, then the audio descriptions are all you need.
kwak zzr
11-01-09, 09:25 PM
TomTom's are **** on.
The Zumo has a built in speaker which is handy if you use it in the car, where as the rider doesnt.
Verna has a TomTom and it does the job. However the hacked map i had has decided to stop working :(
what happens if it rain's and are car sat nav's shock proof like bike one's only thing's that's bother me about doing that.:D
Sandwich bag.
joshmac
11-01-09, 09:31 PM
What I was told was that Garmin are better quality but I haven't tried a tomtom so I don't know which is better.
I just put my garmin in the tankbag to keep it dry and use headphones. I don't think it's a good idea trying to look at a satnav while your riding. I tried it in the clear section of the tankbag but found it a bit dangerous looking down all the time. Besides, if you have your route programed in, then the audio descriptions are all you need.
It'd be more dangerous having it in the clear part of a tankbag that by the clocks as you'd have to look further from the road. I'd only look if I couldn't work it out from what was said
joshmac
11-01-09, 09:32 PM
The Zumo has a built in speaker which is handy if you use it in the car, where as the rider doesnt.
Verna has a TomTom and it does the job. However the hacked map i had has decided to stop working :(
Did you hack it yourself?
DarrenSV650S
11-01-09, 09:32 PM
It'd be more dangerous having it in the clear part of a tankbag that by the clocks as you'd have to look further from the road. I'd only look if I couldn't work it out from what was said
Yeh that's true. I still don't think it's worth getting a bike specific sat nav though
joshmac
11-01-09, 10:07 PM
Find an extra fiver and get a much better unit, 550 (handlebar (http://www.gpsw.co.uk/details/prod4139.html)) or (clutch (http://www.gpsw.co.uk/details/prod4140.html)) mounted :)
Going on what others have said this one really is the dogs dangely bits. Have heard that the Tom Tom is supposed to be a better unit but their aftersales is utter rubbish :( where as Garmin will do all they can to help out, even after warranties have expired :)
Ah just seen that's the Nuvi. Are they much different to the Zumo range?
which would be better for the bike?
SoulKiss
11-01-09, 10:27 PM
The Rider V1 had a design fault with the cradle they supplied.
This led to the unit falling off my bike, at night, while raining, on a 1-way street, in a part of town I didn't know.
I looked, but couldnt find it.
Contacted TomTom, and if it had been found they would replace it, but as not, well that was my tough luck.
So for such great customer service - I could have given them the reciept, box, cradle, leads etc as proof of purchase (same as my insurer would have wanted, but they were not interested - they would not even consider swapping my license for the software over to the version for my mobile.
So feck em, dont buy TomTom......
The PSP satnav is the best I have seen however :)
Find an extra fiver and get a much better unit, 550 (handlebar (http://www.gpsw.co.uk/details/prod4139.html)) or (clutch (http://www.gpsw.co.uk/details/prod4140.html)) mounted :)
Going on what others have said this one really is the dogs dangely bits. Have heard that the Tom Tom is supposed to be a better unit but their aftersales is utter rubbish :( where as Garmin will do all they can to help out, even after warranties have expired :)
£255 + vat
Had a Zummo 550 for a couple of years now and its a great bit of kit. Ive not used a TT rider before, but from what Ive heard I understand the Garmin is a more solid unit.
For me, the best bit of the garmin is the Mapsource software it comes with, allowing routes to be planned on your PC and uploaded, may be wrong, but I dont think the TT Rider has anything like this supplied with the unit.
Ive been using a Cardo BT headset & not had any problems hearing instructions at any speed, would imagine using hard wired ear phones would be even clearer.
Prices on the 550 may start to fall soon as Garmin are releasing the Zumo 660 within the next couple of months, which will be the new range topper.
If your gonna use the sat nav predominantly on the bike and you can afford it, get a bike specific unit. It'll be better and easier to use & youll get more out of it. Oh, and the 550 comes with a car mount, which has a built in speaker, so best of both worlds.
If you need further info on the Zumo try:
http://www.zumoforums.com/index.php?action=forum
Good luck with whatever you go for.
joshmac
11-01-09, 11:29 PM
Had a Zummo 550 for a couple of years now and its a great bit of kit. Ive not used a TT rider before, but from what Ive heard I understand the Garmin is a more solid unit.
For me, the best bit of the garmin is the Mapsource software it comes with, allowing routes to be planned on your PC and uploaded, may be wrong, but I dont think the TT Rider has anything like this supplied with the unit.
Ive been using a Cardo BT headset & not had any problems hearing instructions at any speed, would imagine using hard wired ear phones would be even clearer.
Prices on the 550 may start to fall soon as Garmin are releasing the Zumo 660 within the next couple of months, which will be the new range topper.
If your gonna use the sat nav predominantly on the bike and you can afford it, get a bike specific unit. It'll be better and easier to use & youll get more out of it. Oh, and the 550 comes with a car mount, which has a built in speaker, so best of both worlds.
If you need further info on the Zumo try:
http://www.zumoforums.com/index.php?action=forum
Good luck with whatever you go for.
Thanks for that
Good to hear that the headset is loud enough
Yeah I definitely want to get a proper bike satnav and I don't really want to faff around with sandwich bags which are going to mist up.
The Zumo 550's outside my budget unfortunately, but I guess it'll be similar to the 500, just with a few extra features like TTS and coming with a car cradle etc...
I could borrow a different satnav if I was driving somehwhere unknown.
I'll check the zumo forums out
Cheers
I've had a 550 for a couple of years now, great piece of kit. All the info you need on the zumo-forum.
The 660 has been announced, I'd bet you'll be able to pick up a 550 for sensible money pretty soon.
To be clear, the Zumo doesn't have any sort of speaker in it, the car cradle has a small speaker but it's not brilliant so most folk feed it through the car system one way or another. The audio out comes from the cradles, not the Zumo itself.
I like the TTS with the 550. I use a wired helmet speaker set-up. The 550 bluetooth is mono only, the 660 is stereo. Hard wired gives you stereo Mp3 from the 550 and no issues with bluetooth battery life on long runs if you listen to music.
Garmin customer service is about as good as it gets too. There have been a few problems, but Garmin have invariably sorted things no quibble. I got an exchange bike cradle by return of post.
Ceri JC
12-01-09, 09:59 AM
I've only got v. small amount of experience of Garmin units and even then, that's car, rather than bike. I have, however, used the v1 tomtom rider for well over 20K miles on the bike and another 5K in the car.
Both the v1 and v2 Tomtom cradles are poorly made and develop a crack in the seal over use (and eventually this stops the on bike charging from working). The v3 mount (which I believe they currently supply with the tomtom rider 2) is supposed to be a reinforced to get round this problem, but I've not used one. Looking at photos of it, it looks very similar and still a bit too flimsy for my liking. That said, I don't know what Garmin's bike mounts are like so can't comment on what they're like comparatively.
As you suggest Joshmac, using a satnav in the tankbag is nowhere near as safe/convenient as using a bar mounted one. The originally shipped tomtom mounts were pretty poor, but the Ram Mount units they use currently are much better. The aftermarket centre mounts this chap provides are Ram compatible and an even better option. http://www.telferizer.com/ When mounted on the bars, over time the vibes can cause the SD card's contact patches to be scratched (easily/cheaply fixed with a new SD card, but still a pain) and result in the tomtom thinking the SD card is not in place.
As to customer service, I think their not allowing you to transfer maps from one device to another sucks, but they have been reasonable every time I've needed a replacement mount (must be on my third or fourth one now!)
Both the garmin and tomtom bike units are waterproof to the same level (IPX-7), although there's a lot of misinformation that the Garmin is "more waterproof", this simply isn't true (I believe it stems from the fact Garmin have always put IPX-7 compliant in their marketing spiel, whereas Tomtom took a while to latch onto this).
In terms of map accuracy, the Tomtom has only let me down 3 times; Once on backroads in the deep south in America, once on a roundabout (which hasn't changed in years and is just poorly mapper), the other on a new roundabout, which may well be fixed in a newer version of the maps.
When I bought my Rider, the equivalent Garmin was almost twice as much. Since then, the Garmin has come down in price, whereas the tomtom costs exactly the same as when I bought one, almost 3 years ago. I've probably used about 10 different satnav units in total (mostly car ones) and Tomtom has the best interface by a country mile IMO. Despite this and even though I'm now "locked in" to Tomtom to a certain degree (lots of spare mounts, chargers, legit maps, etc.), with the Garmin units having dropped in price, I may well try them next time.
As to earpieces; I hate any satnav talking to me, even in the car. I find someone suddenly barking in my ear, at a time which you have no more control over is far more distracting that than glancing down at a screen next to your clocks when it's safe to do so. The naysayers arguments about it being dangerous don't make sense; it's not like reading a map whilst riding, it's like glancing at your speedo or rev counter. There's also the fact that spoken messages are very open to interpretation (does "at the roundabout, go straight ahead" mean take the 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock exit?) and navigating solely by sound, you'll make far more mistakes than navigating solely by the screen.
startrek.steve
12-01-09, 11:11 AM
I really like my tomtom 1 but the Garmins have free updates for life.... the tomtom's only for a year...
Steve
I really like my tomtom 1 but the Garmins have free updates for life.... the tomtom's only for a year...
Steve
Map updates arent free with Garmin, only the firmware updates.
Another vote for the Garmin here. My 550 was pretty faultless though Europe last summer.
madness
12-01-09, 12:48 PM
I got a Tom Tom Rider V2 for Christmas and it is very good. I can't comment on how well it will stand up to bike use, only time will tell. Personally though if I had to buy one myself I would have got a cheap car sat nav (sub £100) sorted a mount for the bike and sealed it in a waterproof bag. I know a couple of people who use standard car sat navs on their Sprint STs, mounted just behind the screen on the std car mount. They haven't had any problems yet.
scooby2102
12-01-09, 01:41 PM
Have had the TT Rider 1 now for 2 years and its been a great tool
Got it from Halfords for 250 as the new version was due, it came with free car mount (eventually), Halfords were ace in sorting the mix up
Had to call the customer services when it developed a firmware fault, despite telling them what the fault was, they insisted I do the diagnosis to the letter which took 4 days. I eventually convinced them and they took the unit back and fixed it, fortunately its been fine since.
Apart from that, thats the only minor complaint/issue I have with it
Have found it really good with the speed cams both here and abroad :)
One of the mates has a zumo and he actually thought the TT was better and more accurate (we used it on a run together through Spain).
Hope this helps mate
OK it's a very personal thing, but I find the voice directions a much safer way of navigating than having to look down at the screen. It's not like a speedo where you're just looking for a single bit of info and you more or less know what to expect.
With the satnav you might be approaching a complex junction on a multi-lane road in heavy traffic and rain, for example, you can't take in the displayed directions in a split second, it takes time. I found it invaluable and safer (and more reliable) when negotiating big towns and cities on the conntinent, Zurich on a Saturday afternoon springs to mind.
The Garmin directions with TTS are very good, you get different levels of information as you get nearer the next turn, and it says second or third exit for roundabouts, not just "straight on". Also a good feature I found was on complex motorway/autoroute intersections in cities it tells you the direction after next, like "take the next exit to Soissons and keep left" so you more or less know what's coming after.
As I said, it's a matter of preference, the voice suits me.
In-ear buds are by far the best sound system I've found, clear, good quality sound and low volume levels, but the wires bug me so I've developed a speaker system in the helmet using some decent quality headphone drivers (ebay secondhand Sony) and I use regular earplugs for wind noise, it works for me.
As for car based satnavs, do they lend themselves to use with gloves? The bike screens are designed for easy glove use, Zumo is great, even down to having different formats for the "keyboard" screen, big buttons when in the bike mount (selectable).
Gazza77
12-01-09, 03:48 PM
To be clear, the Zumo doesn't have any sort of speaker in it, the car cradle has a small speaker but it's not brilliant so most folk feed it through the car system one way or another. The audio out comes from the cradles, not the Zumo itself.
I can hear from the car mount in my MX5 with the roof down at 70mph, so it's not that bad!
I've been very happy with my 550, though I've yet to try half of the route planning things you can use it for as well as the usual plug in an address and off you go type of navigation. Easy to use, clear screen and with the Cardo BT headsets is perfectly clear at speed and with ear plugs in.
Mr Speirs
12-01-09, 04:18 PM
I would choose TomTom. Purely becuase those Garmin adverts drive me insane!!!
Give a give a give a Garmin. ****Off
hooters
12-01-09, 04:24 PM
dont get a tom tom they are POO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
garmin are the better one to go for.
Ah just seen that's the Nuvi. Are they much different to the Zumo range?
Yeah sorry my bad, searched for 550 and didn't notice the Nuvi bit :( No idea if they would even be suitable for a bike and ....
£255 + vat
I also missed that, would be just under £300 with VAT added
Have now also looked again, plus side it is waterproof but would appear the software is pre-installed so you wouldn't be able to do routing on PC/laptop, I know from experiance letting the unit do it isn't to smart :rolleyes:
joshmac
12-01-09, 08:40 PM
Thanks guys for all your comments, they are very helpful :)
It'll have to be the Zumo 500 not the 550 for budget reasons.
I've been doing some more reading about and I think I'm swaying towards the Garmin, which from what I can see will be ~255 for a refurb, or £270 for a new one.
Is there anything wrong with getting a refurb (whitebox)? I understand a product can become a refurb for a number of reasons, ranging from it simply being overstocked to the seller and the suppliers agreeing to take them back, to being an ex-demo. (Is this right?)
The only downside I can see in the Garmin is that it doesn't come with the Bluetooth helmet attachment, but I might be able to get that myself with some money I got for Christmas. I did try puting headphones on before my helmet (got some Sony 'in ear with a bit for around the top' type :lol: technical term that is ;)), but I found they got dislodged when I put my lid on, so that's not going to work :(
Decisions, decisions....
vzzzbuxt
12-01-09, 08:45 PM
garmin for a bike. more rugged etc..
Essex of Essex
12-01-09, 09:03 PM
I had a Tom Tom (not a rider) and found it to be fragile and I was only useing it in the car, I've had a Garmin 2620 for the last 3 years and have just replaced it with a Zumo 550. The Garmins seem to be more robust and generaly better put together, I have it rigged up to talk vis an autocom.
tony_sv650sy
13-01-09, 10:12 PM
Whatever you decide, make sure that it has a headphone socket. I got a Garmin Nuvi and i didnt realise that the model i got didnt have a headphone socket. SO now i have to get another for the bike.
Whatever you decide, make sure that it has a headphone socket. I got a Garmin Nuvi and i didnt realise that the model i got didnt have a headphone socket. SO now i have to get another for the bike.
Why? With the Garmin you get clear directions on the screen as to how far to go before making the next turn, well the Zumo 550 does anyway. On my Europe trip last year that was more than enough, the earplugs would have blanked the instructions from speakers at autobahn speeds.
tony_sv650sy
13-01-09, 10:18 PM
I forgot to mention, you might want to check if you can upload routes to it, with the nuvi that i got, you only have a 'destination' and 1 'via' you cant set up numerous waypoints
I got a TomTom V1 for a birthday 3 years (or so) ago and it was fantastic in the car, useless (dangerous) on the bike. Since then I've broken and repaired it (software/firmware/hackware) more times than I've had hot dinners, and its still perfect.
I've since upgraded to a TomTom One V3 (which has the headphone socket but less hackability (no SD card)) and I still can't find a good enough reason to upgrade again to a TT Rider.
Every other Sat Nav I've tried is just not as logical as the way TomToms are laid out. I also can't fault their mapping techniques/routes.
tony_sv650sy
13-01-09, 10:23 PM
Why? With the Garmin you get clear directions on the screen as to how far to go before making the next turn, well the Zumo 550 does anyway. On my Europe trip last year that was more than enough, the earplugs would have blanked the instructions from speakers at autobahn speeds.
My personal preference as a reasonably new rider, would be to hear the instructions as opposed to take my eyes off the road to look at the screen, just my personal preference.
I forgot to mention, you might want to check if you can upload routes to it, with the nuvi that i got, you only have a 'destination' and 1 'via' you cant set up numerous waypoints
I guess you could set up another route then to add additional vias, yes it would take a bit of time but if cost is an issue would that be the deal breaker?
Set your criteria for what you want the thing to do and how much you're going to use it. I don't use mine for general day to day stuff.
You may be fine with a cheaper car job with a good battery life sitting in the top of a tank bag. The bike specific ones are arguabley expensive compared to the car mounted cousins. Good luck.
tony_sv650sy
13-01-09, 10:31 PM
I guess you could set up another route then to add additional vias, yes it would take a bit of time but if cost is an issue would that be the deal breaker?
Yes you can and thats what i have to do, it can be a bit of a PITA keep stopping set up for new destination, even when you've previously set them as favorites. Just suggesting things to check for, it could swing the decision for 2 similar priced units
Yes you can and thats what i have to do, it can be a bit of a PITA keep stopping set up for new destination, even when you've previously set them as favorites. Just suggesting things to check for, it could swing the decision for 2 similar priced units
Very true, so set the budget and criteria, then check out the reviews and views on here between the options that fit that price and criteria.
joshmac
13-01-09, 10:52 PM
Right. I've made a decision..
Ordered the Zumo 500. It's a birthday present, but I'm going to put some money towards it. Ended up being £270 from amazon. There were refurbs at ~£255, but thought I may as well get a new one for £15.
Will post up how I get on with it.
Cheers for all the helpful advice and opinions guys :thumbsup:
Congrats. A few tips/thoughts for a new user..............
Treat yourself and get a thumbscrew instead of the PITA screw Garmin supply. There's a Dutch guy sells them for a few Euro, well worth it
http://www.zumoforums.com/index.php?topic=1153.0
If you search on the zumo forum for "thumb screw" you'll find a couple of alternative solutions (ST-owners site for one), but the Dutch ones work.
The little screw isn't "security" as in stopping anyone pinching the Zumo, only to prevent the latch opening by accident, and no-one in their right mind leaves it on the bike even for a minute while unattended. The thumbscrew means it's a couple of seconds to just pop it off and into your pocket when paying for fuel etc.
When you get the Zumo, DON'T THROW AWAY THE LITTLE PIECE OF YELLOW PAPER IN THE BOX, it has your security code on it for registering. Get it registered and updated for firmware ASAP, and make a back-up of all files onto your PC straight away.
There's a prog included called Webupdater which is by far the easiest way to update the Zumo. Just plug in the Zumo and start Webupdater, it'll tell you what's available and applicable for your machine. Always remove any SD(HC) card if fitted before updating, it can cause problems.
If you load up mp3's onto a memory card, load them into sub-directories of typically one album's worth each folder, say 20 tracks max each. If you have hundreds of tracks on the main directory it will slow the Zumo boot-up drastically. Remember it will play ONLY mp3, nothing else. Don't put them on the Zumo drive itself, there isn't a huge amount of spare memory. Remember that the Zumo will only recognise up to 1000 tracks, that's it. If you want more, either use another card or use some software to "merge" tracks.
The Zumo doesn't use the directories, it reads the "tags". If you're not familiar with tags, do a search on the zumoforums and it'll come up a lot. Go to the music on your PC, right click on a mp3 track, summary, advanced, those are the tags, you can edit them there. A common thing is that when ripping the tags don't get filled out properly, I've had albums where the first track is tagged properly but the others aren't. Put the card in the Zumo and it shows only 1 track, the others all end up in "unknown" albums etc.
Get to know how to reset the Zumo if it locks, there are a number of different methods depending how stubborn it is. I've never had a lock-up, but it happens. Check the Garmin site for the latest version of the owner's manual.
Have fun!
joshmac
14-01-09, 12:06 AM
Thanks for that embee, lots of useful info there :thumbsup:. I'll have a play with it when it arrives :)
padmane
14-01-09, 03:22 PM
The Zumo 660 is coming out! I've the RiderV2 and love all the mods you can do with it.:-D
scooby2102
15-01-09, 09:14 PM
My personal preference as a reasonably new rider, would be to hear the instructions as opposed to take my eyes off the road to look at the screen, just my personal preference.
Bang on the mark Tony
On my last tour of Europe, mines was in my jacket pocket for the whole trip using only the voice directions, found that to be so much better :)
I use TomTom nav 6 in my phone and listen to it via ear piece. I do not use the screen at all. If its not in your line of sight IMO its positively dangerous to be distracted by it.
from pocketgps world you can down load gatso, and speed trap sites and add audiible warnings for them from the POI settings. From this I get a running report of speed traps sites as I approach them. Also if I get lost Jane guides me home.
Yes, the speed camera warnings are a mixed blessing. I guess the TomTom is like the Zumo, with the gpsworld/pocketgps database you can load voice warnings so it tells you what sort of camera is coming up ("warning, Gatso ahead"......average speed camera...mobile camera etc).
It's great until you get onto say the M1 southbound between Watford Gap and M25, where every bridge gives a "mobile camera" warning and just becomes a complete PITA, so gets turned off!
It's great until you get onto say the M1 southbound between Watford Gap and M25, where every bridge gives a "mobile camera" warning and just becomes a complete PITA, so gets turned off!
Unless you're as paranoid about speed traps as I am and want to be reminded that there could be a cop up there every time.
I have recorded my own messages (probably because I like listening to my own voice :takeabow:)
I was recently given an Acer N35 PDA with a full version of Tomtom installed. I quite like the ease of use and have been playing with it out on the bike. I find a simple set of cheap earbuds plugged into the 3.5mm socket is more than sufficient to hear the burd squawking directions, even when I wear earplugs as well. The unit itself sits in my inside pocket. The Acer takes forever to lock onto a satellite though (up to 10 minutes so I've heard, but so far no more than 5 or 6 so far for me) but that's my only complaint.
Anyone know where I can download European maps for nowt?
xXBADGERXx
16-01-09, 09:49 PM
Anyone know where I can download European maps for nowt?
You have mail Sir :smt040
You have mail Sir :smt040
I do, and replied :D Thanks
xXBADGERXx
16-01-09, 10:36 PM
Yarr , Happy Huntin` ;)
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