View Full Version : Vews anyone please....?
This isn’t a rant, more of a plea for advise/guidance/opinions :D
You may or may not know that I crashed my bike, rather spectacularly and wrote it off. Short story is I came round a bend to find a car half on my side of the road so I lent into the corner in an attempt to avoid him, but my tires were cold and the front didn’t stick. I came off and my poor baron got run over.
I understand that people worry about you when things like this happen, and that is fair enough, I would if it was my family or friend. But I have taken a huge amount of stick from friends (some who are bikers) and family. I feel like I am getting pressured to give up riding. Do they honestly believe I don’t understand the risks? I consider myself a safe biker, yes I have a lot to learn, but I don’t do stupid things. And I am doing things to improve my riding ability.
I just don’t get it. Why am I getting so much stick? Not meaning to sound all feminist :rolleyes:, but when a male friend of mine had a crash that was his fault, people just told him he was a prat and got on with things. Nobody expected him to give up riding
Any one got any views? :confused:
ArtyLady
15-01-09, 10:30 AM
It's your life and you should carry if you want to. If you aren't already, take some advanced training you will arm yourself with some skills that will give you more confidence and make you safer.
You say the driver was on your side of the road - if you'd been in a car you'd have had a head on which as we all know can still be disastrous!
hth
Biker Biggles
15-01-09, 10:31 AM
Nah blokes get the same pressure too.
Bad luck on the prang.What you going to get next?
You should have seen the stick I got last month, its not just you.
Luckypants
15-01-09, 10:32 AM
I suspect an awful lot of the stick is coming from female friends? This seems to be par for the course when a female rider has an off, their fault or not. Best advice is to ignore them or tell them to take a running jump!
There have been several ladies on here complaining of exactly this double standard and will no doubt be along soon to give the benefit of their experience first hand.
You should have seen the stick I got last month, its not just you.
And I got clipped by a truck when I wasn't moving after mistakenly moving into a gap I shouldn't have.
the_lone_wolf
15-01-09, 10:37 AM
Any one got any views? :confused:
http://www.isengard.co.uk/images/JPEGS/View%20from%20Pont%20Croesor.jpg
but seriously...
it probably boils down to the "poor dear, trying to ride that big man's motorbike and she's only a little girl" view, just ignore it and carry on riding for yourself, you're not doing it to impress them:cool:
I am just getting fed up with it all. It really demoralising me grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Luckypants
15-01-09, 10:44 AM
I am just getting fed up with it all. It really demoralising me grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Try K's answer... "hit it with a hammer!" (or them if you prefer) Perhaps K can recommend precisely which type of hammer would be perfect for this situation? :-D
http://www.isengard.co.uk/images/JPEGS/View%20from%20Pont%20Croesor.jpg
That's scarily similar to the view out of the office window!! Anyway..
As other's have said, generally all bikers get it. I've had earache in the past over mistakes I've made, but then, the same people have since been out as a pillion with me and have been amazed by how much detail I see/anticipate, so they now know I'm careful.
My kids have seen me after a low speed off as well, and I wasn't in a pretty state. Randomly, months later, my daughter turned to me, on the brink of tears... "Daddy, I don't want you to get hurt riding your motorbike again." I have two other kids (both boys), both who love being on the bike. My daughter is the only person in the world who could talk me into seriously thinking about giving it up.
Everyone else can take a running jump off a very short pier, into shark infested water.
Should your "friends" keep giving you grief, remind them that friends are there to be supportive, and you have the ability to pick your friends unlike family. If that fails, send them graphic pictures of what happens in a car crash (people trapped inside etc), and ask them to stop driving because you're scared the same will happen to them. :D
Try K's answer... "hit it with a hammer!" (or them if you prefer) Perhaps K can recommend precisely which type of hammer would be perfect for this situation? :-D
hmmmm interesting :batman:....i like it !
ArtyLady
15-01-09, 10:55 AM
If that fails, send them graphic pictures of what happens in a car crash (people trapped inside etc), and ask them to stop driving because you're scared the same will happen to them. :D
I agree and often mention this to anyone who tries putting me off. I have a terrible phobia about getting trapped in a car too! it once happened to my other half and luckily, because he wasn't wearing a seatbelt (back in the day before it was law - he still hates wearing them) he dived across into the passenger side but was trapped by his leg and had to be cut out. :( We still drive cars though!
Paul the 6th
15-01-09, 10:58 AM
i think you should give up riding full stop.
You should then proceed to nail wood over the windows, lock all the doors in your house and flush the keys down the toilet, then post all the knives and any other sharp objects through the letterbox for the outside world to deal with, then put your bed infront of your bedroom door (barricade style), wrap yourself up in cotton wool and wait for death to roll on by...
Your life will be completely boring but atleast you'll be safe :) failing that, ignore everyone and do what you want, possibly even enjoy your life maybe?
When I had an off, friends and family asked me what happened (the most pathetic/luckiest off in history, no one else involved, not hurt and about 50 quid of damage to the bike at 25 mph)... "so what happened after you came off then?" me: "Well, I got up, picked the bike up, checked it over, rode it home, fixed it and then carried on... why?"
hope this helps
missyburd
15-01-09, 11:00 AM
That sucks :-(
I used to get loads of stick just for riding on the back of a motorbike let alone attempting riding one myself. I just carried on and now they've all accepted it. However when I suggest riding about one on my own I know I'll have to go through the same crap as before but you really shouldn't let them get to you! You enjoy biking don't you? So why the feck should they have a say in something which actually makes you happy?
Your friends probably just want you to forget about bikes and drive (them) everywhere. Sod em all.
ArtyLady
15-01-09, 11:37 AM
That sucks :-(
I used to get loads of stick just for riding on the back of a motorbike let alone attempting riding one myself. I just carried on and now they've all accepted it. However when I suggest riding about one on my own I know I'll have to go through the same crap as before but you really shouldn't let them get to you! You enjoy biking don't you? So why the feck should they have a say in something which actually makes you happy?
Your friends probably just want you to forget about bikes and drive (them) everywhere. Sod em all.
It's funny but having pillioned (since the mid 70's) no one batted an eyelid! they should have - cos some of the people I jumped on the back with (before I met my other half) were pretty bad riders! Fast forward to 2002 - took my test and suddenly its 'You'll be killed, it's so dangerous, please don't do it blah blah blah!' people are funny animals! :lol:
Speedy Claire
15-01-09, 11:39 AM
Yep I had a similar experience after my off and I was getting nagged for almost 2 years by my female friends. They would think it was "helpful" to send me emails of bike accidents... basically if they found anything in the news about a bike accident they`d forward it on to me plus any horrible pictures of bikers with horrific injuries.
I basically sent them all an email asking them to stop... I explained that whatever they did I was not going to give up motorbikes, I explained that whilst I had a bunch of lovely female friends who I enjoyed socialising with they didn`t make up 100% of my social life and that I had another group of friends who were bikers.
One thing I think that helped was doing my European Tour last year... 3,500 miles in 2 weeks and no accidents so I think they thought if I could do that kind of mileage in a foreign country and not have any mishaps that I maybe might be a safe rider. I also let them all know I was enrolled on a Bikesafe Course and I did that last May.
It`s all worked and I now have a peaceful life :D
yorkie_chris
15-01-09, 11:45 AM
A friend of mine had the same trouble, so she started sending back some really nasty $hit... pictures of burns from boiling fat... car crash injuries ... terrorists attacks.
So basically, tell them to f##k off and get a life.
Doesn't matter if they think you're a safe rider, half my mates think I ride like a nutjob, I don't, but I don't have the slightest regard for what other people think of my riding. Except maybe if there's bacon behind me! Any crash, you only have yourself to answer to, any mistake, your fault, sod all to do with your so called "mates" who obviously like to support you in the things you enjoy!
Go down local greasepit rock bar, find some biker mates :-D Problem solved.
Alpinestarhero
15-01-09, 12:05 PM
All you can do is demonstrate that you take all the precautions you can; wear the right kit, extra training, don't ride like a pillock etc etc.
Imagine if you had been in the acr in that accident - you may well have come off worse it you hit the car head on in your car, been trapped etc. As you where on the bike, you slid clear (at least, I assume you didnt get hit by the car). Sometimes, there are some accidents that we bikers have that, if we had been in a "safe" car, we may well have incuured more injuries, and with that, more serious injuries.
Keep riding if you feel that its the right thing for YOU to do. Just make sure your as responsible and as safe as you can be (that dosn't mean riding slow and never overtaking, it means being thoughtfull and considerate!)
Matt
missyburd
15-01-09, 12:07 PM
Go down local greasepit rock bar, find some biker mates :-D Problem solved.
Why does she need to go to a bar, she's already got the .org! :mrgreen:
Dont worry hun .Point them in the direction of WidePants and ee'll show them how safe a car can be :)
Rai - I had the same after a major off - very similar circumstances - in June 2004.
What it did bring home to me though is that I needed more training, so I got some. TBH when you posted originally you blamed everything but yourself. Not for me to be critical - whether constructively or otherwise - as I wasn't there, I didn't see what happened. But on reflection, do you think that you could have handled things better? Were you going too fast/wrong position/failure to anticipate/etc? Maybe, maybe not, whether you could have done anything - whether anyone could have done anything - well that's a question for you. You might want to get some further training specifically concentrating on what to do when things go pear shaped.
As for friends etc - well the answer's obvious, isn't it?
dizzyblonde
15-01-09, 12:32 PM
Welll the amount of times Im Indoors has come off in spectacular fashion is enough for anyone to tell him to stop. BUT, hes his own person and nobody will stop him riding. I was a little concerned over the length of time it took him to get back on after his full hip replacement.....a whole four weeks....but the poor bloke was going insane and was itching to get back on. Nobody would dare tell him to stop riding, the only time he'd stop is when he decides..and when he does then its far too scary out there for him. then I'd follow.
Its funny as when I fell off, I thought my folks would give me stick for ever about it, but strangely they never did, they were actually quite concerned by how much damage I'd caused the bike, as I think they know how much my two mean to me. Plus they know I'll probably nver drive as cars scare the crap out of me
I just tell those who do go down the 'oooo they are so dangerous' route is say...ahh well so is that brick thats sat on that scafolding up there, it might just fall on my head ... but then again it might not!
madness
15-01-09, 12:36 PM
If you can't stop safely in the distance you can see to be clear, you are riding too fast. But I'm sure most of us do it sometimes. But, back on subject. I tend to agree that most bikers, whether male or female get stick after an accident. I know someone who was advised to give up biking when his wife had their first child. Non bikers don't seem to understand the risks or the pleasures that biking brings.
dizzyblonde
15-01-09, 12:46 PM
I know someone who was advised to give up biking when his wife had their first child. Non bikers don't seem to understand the risks or the pleasures that biking brings.
I'd have told them to get lost trying to advise me that. I am a mum first obviously, but even if I was to miraculously have another, as soon as I was able I'd be back on a bike again.
You can take a bike away from someone...but you can't take the bike out of them
Kate Moss
15-01-09, 12:53 PM
Hun, do what ever makes you happy and il come and sort the whingers out!!!
:smt021
Rai
I had stick after drew's (first) accident, had a couple of days off work and when i did come back, i was glad to but 10 mins after being though the door, i wanted to go home!
To start with they were really concerned how drew was, but then kind of turned to say i should tell him its the bike or me cause next time he might not leave the hospital! I took the stick (moaned to the org about it) and drew and my family, to which my dad turned around and said it was an ACCIDENT. That being the main word accident! sh!t happens, accidents happen you can't help the fact.
You were as it turns out in the wrong place at the wrong time! nothing more! Try and explain it to them on that side if they have had an accident in a car... would they stop driving?! So whats the differanc here.
Most hobbies have an element of risk involved that's why we do them!!! Drew use to always come home from Rugby training or a game, more hurt than any of the times he has had an accident on the bike. But nobody asked him to stop playing rugby!!!
The way i shut people up at work is that in August one monday morning i arrived on my bike (i had told nobody i was learning or doing my test) and i walked straight to my desk put my helmet, gloves etc down and said right i'll go get changed! The looks were great!!!!
So my advice is get another bike (if YOU want to) or don't (if that is YOUR chose) don't let anybody tell you what you can do with your life!
Hope this helps & if it doesn't we will all come and set your friends right :smt072 ;)
Lily xxx :D
fizzwheel
15-01-09, 01:45 PM
Do what you want to do, if they dont ike it, well thats their problem, if they were true friends they'd respect your decision.
Everything has risk associated with it. My friend got knocked down by a drunk driver who mounted the pavement, nobody told me not to walk on the pavement because its dangerous.
I broke my wrist when I was snowboarding last week. Nobody has told me that I shouldnt go snowboarding again because its "dangerous"
custard
15-01-09, 01:54 PM
no, bow to peer pressure and live your life as others dictate. much more fun... ;)
I had stick for years about riding a bike. when i came off i got more stick. I sustained a worse injury playing rugby and now everyone has just shut up...
missyburd
15-01-09, 01:57 PM
I broke my wrist when I was snowboarding last week. Nobody has told me that I shouldnt go snowboarding again because its "dangerous"
I got a paper cut the other day, noone has jumped in and stopped me from revising, no such luck!!! :rolleyes:
Friends and family are bound to worry - Falc's mum would love him to sell the bike but she also knows he loves it so he won't. After his accident it seemed everyone (unconnected to the forum obviously) was telling him to give but only becuase of the amount of damage he did to himself.
they get used to you being on the bike again eventually, we just don't tell his mum when he's out on it so she doesn't worry
custard
15-01-09, 05:14 PM
heh, i know someone who broke their leg playing chess :) :)
If riding is what you really want to do, then you do it:D
No-one, and I mean no-one, has a right to tell you not to.
metalmonkey
15-01-09, 06:45 PM
Its your life do whatever you want with it, people who are good friends will be concered that you are okay. My family do get concered about my saftey doing what I do, but I would never stop casue I enjoy it. But they will understand that its part of who you are if they good friends.
So I would say sod em, if I had ever listened to the people that said oh you shouldn't do that I for sure wouldn't be who I am today. But thats also why I'm so dam headstrong.
I hope you get a new bike sorted, you will be fine have faith in yourself which sometimes means digging deep inside of yourself.
Dangerous Dave
15-01-09, 07:09 PM
You can't tell somebody how to live there life, we all take our own steps and learn from our own mistakes.
The best thing to do is ignore them, true friends wouldn't do this.
Thingus
15-01-09, 08:13 PM
Well it's your own decision in the end, nobody can tell you to do it or not :p but it's not unusual for people to care or offer opinions... suppose it could be annoyin' tho.
'Least yer ok right!
Any one got any views? :confused:
The comments will die a natural death over time. Ignore it and carry on.
You should have seen the stick I got last month, its not just you.
You started a thread asking for comments. What did you expect? :smt019
Why is it when you have an accident in the car, everyone says get back behind the wheel as soon as possible or you'll never drive again, but when it's on the bike they say that you should give up. what's the difference?
I have had both a car and bike accident, and twenty years on I still suffer from my injuries from the car. I have had no injuries with the bike, both accident's were bad.
This isn’t a rant, more of a plea for advise/guidance/opinions :D
You may or may not know that I crashed my bike, rather spectacularly and wrote it off. Short story is I came round a bend to find a car half on my side of the road so I lent into the corner in an attempt to avoid him, but my tires were cold and the front didn’t stick. I came off and my poor baron got run over.
I understand that people worry about you when things like this happen, and that is fair enough, I would if it was my family or friend. But I have taken a huge amount of stick from friends (some who are bikers) and family. I feel like I am getting pressured to give up riding. Do they honestly believe I don’t understand the risks? I consider myself a safe biker, yes I have a lot to learn, but I don’t do stupid things. And I am doing things to improve my riding ability.
I just don’t get it. Why am I getting so much stick? Not meaning to sound all feminist :rolleyes:, but when a male friend of mine had a crash that was his fault, people just told him he was a prat and got on with things. Nobody expected him to give up riding
Any one got any views? :confused:
Stop complaining and go ride.
Even now i still get people say im mad for gettin back on 2 wheels after my accident, its something i love and enjoy and its my life, i wasnt tooooo badly hurt (broken leg) and i WANTED to get back on a bike
If riding is what you really want to do, then you do it:D
No-one, and I mean no-one, has a right to tell you not to.
+1
It's your life, your pleasures
here is my 2p worth.
Are you going to your grave peacefully, or sliding in sideways screaming “WOW what a ride" ........:cheers:
do what ever to enjoy your life ( legally that is ) ......
do what ever to enjoy your life ( legally that is ) ......
What fun is that? :confused:
LOL ace so this is the plan, get me bike back, get some biker mates, and tell everyone to get off my case :p ;)
Its cool i have some perspective now, was just feeling all girlie yesterday
Wont happen again ;):D
Alpinestarhero
16-01-09, 09:13 AM
get some biker mates,
Woah
woah woah woah
hang on
dont we count :smt040
Of course! lol never met you lot but of course :D
Kate Moss
16-01-09, 09:19 AM
How you feeling today ya big girls blouse!! oh wait...... !!!!
Hope you are feeling better and more positive! And once I have ridden the sv for a while, il come meet you and we can go for a ride! You may have to slow down a bit for me though!!!
Alpinestarhero
16-01-09, 09:19 AM
Of course! lol never met you lot but of course :d
First weekend of august, annual rideout. Be there, laugh at hovis. :smt040
First weekend of august, annual rideout. Be there, laugh at hovis. :smt040
It's also a perfect reason for "needing" another bike. :D
Lol dont worry little kitty kate i wont be going fast for a while!
Alpinestarhero
16-01-09, 09:21 AM
It's also a perfect reason for "needing" another bike. :D
He's right. The annual rideout this year was the best ride I've ever ever ever had. You'll enjoy it so much, and learn so much about safe riding, you'll wonder why anyone would want to give up 2 wheels
Kate Moss
16-01-09, 09:31 AM
Lol dont worry little kitty kate i wont be going fast for a while!
Hope I can make AR. But we will hopefully be meeting before then though wont we missis!!! ;):p
londonlady
07-02-09, 05:00 PM
Don't put all your crash photos up on facebook, THEN maybe you wont get family/friends having a go! no offence luv, but putting them up was obviously looking for sympathy/a bollocking for riding. (your FB profile isnt set to private)
Jester666
07-02-09, 05:10 PM
Don't put all your crash photos up on facebook, THEN maybe you wont get family/friends having a go! no offence luv, but putting them up was obviously looking for sympathy/a bollocking for riding. (your FB profile isnt set to private)
Usually people introduce themselves on the forum first before launching into someone they don't know!? :rolleyes:
londonlady
07-02-09, 05:12 PM
sorry :) names clare, dont really do bikes but my dad does, just having a browse at the forum
sorry :) names clare, dont really do bikes but my dad does, just having a browse at the forum
You're new, you don't really 'do' bikes, yet you've signed up & decided to check up on a user here on their facebook profile. Then have a pop at them.
Welcome. I'm sure you'll fit right in. :rolleyes:
missyburd
07-02-09, 05:28 PM
Don't put all your crash photos up on facebook, THEN maybe you wont get family/friends having a go! no offence luv, but putting them up was obviously looking for sympathy/a bollocking for riding. (your FB profile isnt set to private)
how have you even found Rai's profile? You need to know her name for that...?
errrrr yeah eh?! who are ya?
the_lone_wolf
07-02-09, 05:36 PM
sorry :) names clare, dont really do bikes...
Wrong forum luv...;) (http://www.goodhousekeeping.co.uk/index.php/chatroom/)
Don't put all your crash photos up on facebook, THEN maybe you wont get family/friends having a go! no offence luv, but putting them up was obviously looking for sympathy/a bollocking for riding. (your FB profile isnt set to private)
ok...we guna do this are we.... i put it on facebook cus some of my mates who dont live near wanted to see the bike! not lookin for sympathy in any way but also not wanting a bollockin! why should i get one for havin a crash? yes i prob didnt take the best line and made mistakes but doesnt everyone mess up at some point?! at least im doin stuff to improve my riding! Bet you dont go on courses and practice if you ever have a car accident
Hope you dont have a car accident by the way
londonlady
07-02-09, 05:44 PM
profile pics same as on fb...sorry for causing offence, just voicing opinion, thats what forums are for isnt it?
i know im sorry...just grrrrrrrrrrrrrr
*takin a deep breath*
:D
profile pics same as on fb...sorry for causing offence, just voicing opinion, thats what forums are for isnt it?
yeah try sayin hi first
:mrgreen:
londonlady
07-02-09, 05:48 PM
yeah i hope i dont have a car crash too! thanks for that...
londonlady
07-02-09, 05:52 PM
Oh, and hi... although i doubt im welcome now, even though your original post did ask for opinions :S even if you only agree with what you believe to be right
This is a much more interesting crash. Compare this:
http://www.triumph675.net/forum/showthread.php?t=27952
Oh, and hi... although i doubt im welcome now, even though your original post did ask for opinions :S even if you only agree with what you believe to be right
course your welcome dont be a plank
stop bein a child
Glad to see you are feeling more positive!
I'd prefer to die doing what I love, being me, than old and boring or hit by a bus 'being safe & not taking risks'!
The peeps who really matter will eventually speak to you again - my mum does! And she paid to repair me after the lovely merc driver decided the STOP didn't apply to him!
Today I spent 40 mins driving my 4 year old around (no motorways yet), and you wanna see the looks we got! He's loving it already!
londonlady
07-02-09, 06:04 PM
ummm im not a plank and im not a child either lol, well you changed your tune pretty quick rai
ummm im not a plank and im not a child either lol
So why not take this opportunity to start a thread of your own in the Idle Banter section to introduce yourself? :D
ummm im not a plank and im not a child either lol, well you changed your tune pretty quick rai
Changed my tune?! eh! this is a public site, all are welcome, even if they do rub you up the wrong way
Glad to see you are feeling more positive!
I'd prefer to die doing what I love, being me, than old and boring or hit by a bus 'being safe & not taking risks'!
The peeps who really matter will eventually speak to you again - my mum does! And she paid to repair me after the lovely merc driver decided the STOP didn't apply to him!
Today I spent 40 mins driving my 4 year old around (no motorways yet), and you wanna see the looks we got! He's loving it already!
Thanks :mrgreen:
Glad to see your getting over your crash to :smt023
londonlady
07-02-09, 06:09 PM
ummm maybe not baph, i dont know anthing bout bikes!! lol, my dads is black...does that count??
http://www.triumph675.net/forum/images/smilies/organizedsmilies/14/fishing.gif
missyburd
07-02-09, 06:10 PM
profile pics same as on fb...sorry for causing offence, just voicing opinion, thats what forums are for isnt it?
I don't get it, you still need a name to go on in the first place to find a photo anyway?
I don't get it, you still need a name to go on in the first place to find a photo anyway?
Nah not if she was in the sv org group
meh...water off a ducks back :p
missyburd
07-02-09, 06:13 PM
Nah not if she was in the sv org group
ahhhh I see :)
This isn’t a rant, more of a plea for advise/guidance/opinions :D
You may or may not know that I crashed my bike, rather spectacularly and wrote it off. Short story is I came round a bend to find a car half on my side of the road so I lent into the corner in an attempt to avoid him, but my tires were cold and the front didn’t stick. I came off and my poor baron got run over.
I understand that people worry about you when things like this happen, and that is fair enough, I would if it was my family or friend. But I have taken a huge amount of stick from friends (some who are bikers) and family. I feel like I am getting pressured to give up riding. Do they honestly believe I don’t understand the risks? I consider myself a safe biker, yes I have a lot to learn, but I don’t do stupid things. And I am doing things to improve my riding ability.
I just don’t get it. Why am I getting so much stick? Not meaning to sound all feminist :rolleyes:, but when a male friend of mine had a crash that was his fault, people just told him he was a prat and got on with things. Nobody expected him to give up riding
Any one got any views? :confused:
I get stick off the missus and my parents all the time.
I have a tattoo for a mate I lost to biking.
But I wouldn't give it up because I love it. :)
Everyone has got an opinion, but its up to you whether or not you listen.
Ed, can I come sit with you if I bring this... http://www.wdisneyw.com/forums/images/smilies05/popcorn.gif
londonlady
07-02-09, 06:15 PM
Eermmm yorkie, im not some kind of stalker if thats whats implied here
And Rai...sorry for been so blunt when i dont even know u but its been siad now and thats that..like u said, 'public forum' = personal opinions
<Hippy mode>
I'm sensing negative vibes, man... bummer :(
</Hm>
Eermmm yorkie, im not some kind of stalker if thats whats implied here
And Rai...sorry for been so blunt when i dont even know u but its been siad now and thats that..like u said, 'public forum' = personal opinions
lol tell you what....you'd make a cracking mofo
:mrgreen:
londonlady
07-02-09, 06:19 PM
ummm...eh?? *utterly confused*
lol tell you what....you'd make a cracking mofo
:mrgreen:
lmfao...maybe she is a mofo in disguise
londonlady
07-02-09, 06:20 PM
what the frick?
ummm...eh?? *utterly confused*
Baph you are a mofo right?
fizzwheel
07-02-09, 06:21 PM
*locked*
Rai if you want the thread unlocked let me know.
Cheers
Fizz
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