road safety clip

[embee]

Pretty effective

Edit: Too effective and not U-rated. Please PM for link.

Apparently the song was by Evanescence - All of Me

[missyburd]

Erm if you mean putting people off driving then yeah effective, I'd call it going overboard personally. Very graphic.

I think it's My immortal by Evanescence, not All of Me.

[Baph]

2nd clip got me. :(

Folks, WARNING: Not a link for the faint of heart.

[missyburd]

Folks, WARNING: Not a link for the faint of heart.

Thanks Baph, I couldn't think of the phrase :oops: Was going to say squeamish but not quite right.

[DarrenSV650S]

I'm off to slit my wrists

[TazDaz]

Don't see what that video would achieve. If anything it will make drivers so scared they will actually end up having an accident through indecisiveness etc etc!

[embee]

Hmm, interesting how people see it.

I just interpreted it as a pretty realistic attempt at demonstrating what road accidents are like, and not a sanitised euphemistic view of things as we usually get fed. Everything we get shown is sanitised, compare what we get to what is shown by some foreign TV regarding wars for example.

I think it gets across one aspect often not appreciated, just a split second can totally change people's lives for ever.

[missyburd]

I think it gets across one aspect often not appreciated, just a split second can totally change people's lives for ever.
It makes that point very well. That bit with the couple on the wall, that got me. Its just upsetting more than anything. I can see the point of it, tis a similar thing with pictures of tar choked lungs on cigarette packets, graphically these pics/scenarios stick in people's minds but I don't think it has any effect, people forget all too quickly.

At least there aren't any bikes in it, that would have brought tears up.

[Baph]

It makes that point very well. That bit with the couple on the wall, that got me.


That was quite a bad one, but the child standing over their pretty obviously dead parent got me more. Could be something to do with being a parent though. :lol: :confused:

[missyburd]

That was quite a bad one, but the child standing over their pretty obviously dead parent got me more. Could be something to do with being a parent though. :lol: :confused:

I should imagine so. Golly this has great signs of being the most depressing thread for a while :rolleyes:

[Thingus]

That was pretty harsh. Kinda went overboard a bit, guy speeds up to overtake a car, avoids a dog and crushes a guy against a wall... lovely.
I think the previous advert of a girl hitting the floor and all her bones cracking back into place was enough for me.

[missyburd]

I think the previous advert of a girl hitting the floor and all her bones cracking back into place was enough for me.

Ah same people then, figures :rolleyes: That was weird.

[Thingus]

Oh i dunno if it was the same people but the whole graphic thing is going a bit far here!

[missyburd]

Yeh. Hope that never gets on telly, you never know these days...

[anna]

I know that my thinking on this is a little different to some views here but, I actually think that this clip is quite powerful and positive.

It isn’t over dramatised; it clearly and simply shows the devastating effect that careless seconds can have.

I think this clip is of higher potency then our own drink driving campaigns and, highlights quite a few points in one clip. Road awareness by pedestrians and driver recklessness.

I wouldn’t have felt that it would have made it worse to include a biker in the clip. It is just highlighting an awareness that road users should have.

[arcdef]

im pretty sure that along with another one ive seen are from Ireland, they seem to have very hard hitting campaigns, think we need more training to actually start tackling bad driving

[missyburd]

I wouldn’t have felt that it would have made it worse to include a biker in the clip. It is just highlighting an awareness that road users should have.
Well when I say that I'm thinking from a much more personal perspective, as in I'd be associating it with YC which would upset me, but am soft like that. I certainly see what you're saying Anna, but just from my point of view that video is just a bit too powerful.

[anna]

I think that there is a view that sometimes the campaigns we get shown are just buying into the "nanny state", that is so much complained of. Here is an example of something that is realistic and hard hitting to the point of being painful to watch, and yet this is also being slated.

[Balky001]

not sure it can be too powerful if it's meant to make you stop driving like an ar$e - considering the subject matter, if it does then great if not then not powerful enough. The small winky is there to shame the boy racer in some of us but we all know people who wheelspin have small winkies anyway

I thought it was a good message. Like Baph the little girl standing over the mother had most affect on me, lack of focus on the road can have an life changing effect.

[xXBADGERXx]

How upsetting :(

[missyburd]

not sure it can be too powerful if it's meant to make you stop driving like an ar$e - considering the subject matter, if it does then great if not then not powerful enough.
Yeah I used the word powerful in the wrong context there, not doing well this eve :rolleyes: Basically, it shocked me, but then again I don't drive or ride - not yet anyway - this sort of thing affects everyone differently.

You can't wrap people up in cotton wool no, but to any decent person that clip doesn't shout drive safe, it shouts pain and misery and probably won't get the reaction the people making it are trying to gain.

[anna]

You can't wrap people up in cotton wool no, but to any decent person that clip doesn't shout drive safe, it shouts pain and misery and probably won't get the reaction the people making it are trying to gain.

I don’t mean to split hairs but the above is a little offensive. You have just insinuated that no "decent person" would view this clip differently to you.

Yes the clip does shout pain and misery, and it´s caused by reckless driving. That is the point of the clip.

[missyburd]

I don’t mean to split hairs but the above is a little offensive. You have just insinuated that no "decent person" would view this clip differently to you.


Yeah you're right, I'm really not doing well with the language tonight :oops:, I know what I mean and what I insinuated wasn't it! Very sorry if I caused offence.

[Balky001]

Yeah I used the word powerful in the wrong context there, not doing well this eve :rolleyes: Basically, it shocked me, but then again I don't drive or ride - not yet anyway - this sort of thing affects everyone differently.

You can't wrap people up in cotton wool no, but to any decent person that clip doesn't shout drive safe, it shouts pain and misery and probably won't get the reaction the people making it are trying to gain.e

haha, I know where you're coming from, I never seem to get my words right ;-)

I must admit I did see the message as drive carefully as even if you get away with it living with the consequences isn't so easy. Interesting how different people see it. It's definately morbid though!

[yorkie_chris]

I dunno, it's got nastiness pretty spot on. But it doesn't make any differentiation between being a knob, DWDC and the unavoidable. Bad message to send, really bad.

[kat_s1]

Right im trying my very best here, to not cause offence or to upset anyone, so iv chosen my words very carefully. Im not agreeing or disagree with anyone and I wasn’t even sure whether or not I should reply but here I am. Right heres my two pence worth, apologises for bad grammar.

right, its graphic. I dont think anyone here is trying to dispute that. But for me the video is trying to show the consequences of our actions.

okay to downplay it a bit, lets pretend theyre deer. (im not saying that deer are equal to people; oh didums, I am trying here.)

okay theyre deer, I hit a deer because im driving to fast and a bit silly; I get out and he jumps up and says ‘hey it happens, you just carry right on’, but in the real word that aint going to happen.

I think its meant to be blunt because if you really think about, if all those sill billy drivers out there to take a minute to see whats going on around them, and just for once realise that everyone else has their parents or family at home waiting for them; then they night be a bit cautious.

okay if it was plastered on national tv probably wont have everyone driving around like angels but it might, just might get people to think about how they are driving, and realise that okay so you get home 5 mins late to watch spongebob squarepants alternatively a sky + box helps combat this) but at least they got home.

apologises for my next blunt statement… isn’t it better that they tried to open our eyes, that they hope it might actually make some people think about their actions; because at the end of the day, its better then nothing.

again apologises if iv caused offence to anyone or upset them, and sorry for changing it from deer to people.

kat_s1

[454697819]

Im sorry thats purly the fantasy of someone thinking up the most random and perverted of crashes...

oh dont kiss ur lover on a wall... cause youll die....!!! wtf!?

oh yea one more thing.. if ur in anm rta... apparently youll die whatever the accident... so nerrr

Im walking...

[454697819]

Right im trying my very best here, to not cause offence or to upset anyone, so iv chosen my words very carefully. Im not agreeing or disagree with anyone and I wasn’t even sure whether or not I should reply but here I am. Right heres my two pence worth, apologises for bad grammar.

right, its graphic. I dont think anyone here is trying to dispute that. But for me the video is trying to show the consequences of our actions.

okay to downplay it a bit, lets pretend theyre deer. (im not saying that deer are equal to people; oh didums, I am trying here.)

okay theyre deer, I hit a deer because im driving to fast and a bit silly; I get out and he jumps up and says ‘hey it happens, you just carry right on’, but in the real word that aint going to happen.

I think its meant to be blunt because if you really think about, if all those sill billy drivers out there to take a minute to see whats going on around them, and just for once realise that everyone else has their parents or family at home waiting for them; then they night be a bit cautious.

okay if it was plastered on national tv probably wont have everyone driving around like angels but it might, just might get people to think about how they are driving, and realise that okay so you get home 5 mins late to watch spongebob squarepants alternatively a sky + box helps combat this) but at least they got home.

apologises for my next blunt statement… isn’t it better that they tried to open our eyes, that they hope it might actually make some people think about their actions; because at the end of the day, its better then nothing.

again apologises if iv caused offence to anyone or upset them, and sorry for changing it from deer to people.

kat_s1


if you hit a dear in a car.... both the car and it are fooked..

but I get ur point... our actions do have consequences, but the add is a little extreme..

[Filipe M.]

but I get ur point... our actions do have consequences, but the add is a little extreme..

just like real life, so nothing new there...

[rictus01]

Im sorry thats purly the fantasy of someone thinking up the most random and perverted of crashes...

oh dont kiss ur lover on a wall... cause youll die....!!! wtf!?

oh yea one more thing.. if ur in anm rta... apparently youll die whatever the accident... so nerrr

Im walking...

I seroiusly doubt it's just random, in fact I'd lay good money it's based on real accidents, I myself have attended a school kid hit by a van whilst on the phone crossing a road, also someone hit by a car that had been rear-ended by another, be thankful (if a little naive) you've not come across it in real life, but then I guess it's human nature to believe "if it's not happened to me it's not true" :roll:

Cheers Mark.

[454697819]

Im not saying accidents like this dont happen, Im saying that a concoction of random accidents in a graphic vid do nothing to educate ppl oif the dangers of driving. We all know the dangers of living, and driving and riding, its just seems rediculous..

its like an add that says dont drink water you might choke and die..

imo...

[rictus01]

Im not saying accidents like this dont happen,

Im sorry thats purly the fantasy of someone thinking up the most random and perverted of crashes....

My apologies, that's what it sounded like to me :smt102

Im saying that a concoction of random accidents in a graphic vid do nothing to educate ppl oif the dangers of driving. We all know the dangers of living, and driving and riding, its just seems rediculous..

its like an add that says dont drink water you might choke and die..

imo...

Randon? fatal acciedents happen everyday it's a fact, once again I doubt they hard to work to had to fine example to make that film, and whilst you maybe right to a degree on it's effectiveness, it may well save a life or two and certainly won't take any.

Cheers Mark

[Messie]

A few thoughts ...

We all know the dangers to our health of smoking. Most smokers have seen the gruesome images of tarred lungs, gangrenous feet, ulcerated tongues. I think some of these images are on fag packets now.

So why do some people still smoke?

Simply because scare tactics don't work. When trying to change a complex set of behaviours, whethers it's smoking, poor driving or head in the clouds walking, you need complex methods. Telling people NOT to do something without telling them TO DO something is virtually worthless.

TBH our re-education, speed awareness courses are probably much more effective than a small scale horror movie

[DanAbnormal]

That was..............very, very good. I guess that would never be shown in the Uk as it's far too realistic.

[embee]

I'll tell you what's really good about this thread (I was beginning to wonder whether it was a good idea)

The comments made by everyone, whatever the viewpoint and opinion, have all been pretty measured and considered, so if nothing else the clip has given everyone something to think about and contemplate, and I bet very few will simply brush it off as totally pointless. Result, I reckon.

[anna]

Simply because scare tactics don't work. When trying to change a complex set of behaviours, whethers it's smoking, poor driving or head in the clouds walking, you need complex methods. Telling people NOT to do something without telling them TO DO something is virtually worthless.


I understand what you are saying, and on the subject of re-education completely agree. Scare tactics on their own don´t work, however they can act as an additional reason to act.

For example no one can quit smoking without wanting to. Wanting to quit, and then seeing the images on your fag packets give you an additional incentive each time to carry on not smoking.

If you’re an idiot who doesn’t care one way or the other about bad driving, then this video, or any other methods, really aren’t going to be very impacting on their own.

However if it were to be used alongside other methods, then I feel it would be a highly effective message.

[philbut]

I thought it was good. The overwhelming feeling that I got as a driver was of the incredible guilt that I would feel if I had caused any one of these accidents. Some of them were bad luck and caused by someone taking a little less care than usual - but even so it does make you think that even a small accident could have tragic consiquences (parent hit by car that was rear ended) - something I'd not thought about before.

Scare tactics may not work on everyone, but anyone with any sense and an ounce of concience must be moved by these sorts of clips. Smoking is slightly different in that the passive effects of smoking are very hard to measure and see - here the effects on others are extremely graphic and instant - even if you do not care about your own safety, most people would care about someone elses in such circumstances.

[captainsmelly]

Didn't like it. Made me feel sick, only got half way through. Very effective mind, was going out for a drive this afternoon which I no longer fancy.
Maybe clips like these should be shown to new/learning drivers - show them the reality of how their actions can affect others? Would have done me some good anyway.

[DanAbnormal]

Reading some of the replies has made me think that this site has turned into a bit of a nanny state. Every apologising before, during and after they write something. Jeez peeps, what's going on? It's only the 'tinterweb.

[missyburd]

Reading some of the replies has made me think that this site has turned into a bit of a nanny state. Every apologising before, during and after they write something. Jeez peeps, what's going on? It's only the 'tinterweb.
Cos people occasionally get the wrong end of the stick, things come across completely different from what they should and I always have a guilty conscience :-(

[bluninja]

Seen some of the clips before....all together I found that my brain protected me and switched off part way through. My overwhelming impression was that it doesn't matter what I do, some idiot could kill me with their car.

I arrived on the scene of a fatal motorcycle accident 2 weeks before Christmas. After seeing someone's life ebb away and seeing the aftermath of the crash as I waited for the casualty to be taken away and police formalities; I was shocked and stunned.
Riding onwards down a misty, empty, dual carriageway (the road was still closed behind me) I was riding like a nana all the way home. I had nightmares and worked from home the next day; after that my self defence system kicked in and I am now back commuting 130 miles a day as before, as though I'd jsut seen it on the net.

I suspect that just like anti smoking ads, people will inure themselves to the image, or believe them to be outright propoganda, thus diluting any effect they may have.

[DanAbnormal]

Cos people occasionally get the wrong end of the stick, things come across completely different from what they should and I always have a guilty conscience :-(

Maybe my skin is too thick, I think my job has helped. I know how you feel bluninja, after witnessing something similar in April I even stopped riding for a bit as I just couldn't concentrate. Eventually though you get back on the horse and carry on. My riding has changed but not sure how long that will last. The clips made me think a bit about how I ride, so it did it's job as far as I'm concerned. Good post embee.

[Balky001]

Not sure if I'm missing something looking at other comments, but I thought the video is about making you think about what you do as a driver on the road and to stop people driving dangerously, it's not that you could get killed if you go out - that's not a message anyone would give?

[anna]

Reading some of the replies has made me think that this site has turned into a bit of a nanny state. Every apologising before, during and after they write something. Jeez peeps, what's going on? It's only the 'tinterweb.

Most of us on this site know each other personally, this site is designed to encourage meetings and ride outs. I actually think that this forum isnt JUST the interweb but a forum of friends.

That´s what makes this site so different from others so please dont put down others efforts to put accross their views in a polite manner.[-o<

[Luckypants]

... and I always have a guilty conscience :-(

Why? What you been up to? :D

[missyburd]

Why? What you been up to? :D
Too much, and now they're after me #looks around nervously#

:mrgreen:

[K]

I feel I need to explain why I've just editted the link:

It was effective. Very effective...

... but it weas also very effective in many different ways - one of which was, in my opinion, to breach the U-rating of the site.

Yes - I know there are graphic images of the aftermath of Big Ape's accident, along with the many images posted over time of people x-rays, broken bikes etc. However, there is a cetain level of 'sanitisation' that happens purely because they are 'afterimages'. These were not and therefore I felt were in breach of the U-rating.

EDIT: PS, I don't wish to stifle the constructive disscussion that has been going on in this thread however - that, I think, has made for interesting reading.

[DanAbnormal]

Most of us on this site know each other personally, this site is designed to encourage meetings and ride outs. I actually think that this forum isnt JUST the interweb but a forum of friends.

That´s what makes this site so different from others so please dont put down others efforts to put accross their views in a polite manner.[-o<

There's polite and there's just daft.

[philbut]

There's polite and there's just daft.

Dan is just daft :P

EDIT - Doh, why the smiley face no work :-(

[DanAbnormal]

Dan is just daft :P

EDIT - Doh, why the smiley face no work :-(

Yes I am. I also meant to add a smiley so as not to cause any offence. :p

I know what you mean about us all being freinds, I've met lots of amazingly great peeps from this site (including you Anna). Like I said, maybe my skin is jut too thick (or I am too thick......:rolleyes:)

[Magnum]

Can someone PM me the link?