View Full Version : Health and Safety has gone potty
tigersaw
21-01-09, 09:21 PM
Today I had to read a risk assessment and method statement before issuing a work permit to allow a cleaner to mix detergent in a bucket.
Tim in Belgium
21-01-09, 09:24 PM
Did they use the "two bucket" method?
You should come and work at my place. As long as we're working they really don't care what we get up to:D
gettin2dizzy
21-01-09, 09:34 PM
I've had to write instructions for someone to lift a box on to a table, with a full risk assessment.
tigersaw
21-01-09, 09:45 PM
Did they use the "two bucket" method?
God no. the check the current COCHH register to check the detergent is ISO 9002 compliant and source traceable, and then the trained operative wearing the correct protective equipment, (under supervision or within immediate contact of aid - see separate H+S risk assessment attached), fills the bucket with the correct amount of warm water, (temp checked with calibrated thermometer), the correct dose of aforesaid detergent is added (see method statement for correct procedure) yada yada yada.
It doesn't go on to say what they do next. Mop the floor I guess.
God no. the check the current COCHH register to check the detergent is ISO 9002 compliant and source traceable, and then the trained operative wearing the correct protective equipment, (under supervision or within immediate contact of aid - see separate H+S risk assessment attached), fills the bucket with the correct amount of warm water, (temp checked with calibrated thermometer), the correct dose of aforesaid detergent is added (see method statement for correct procedure) yada yada yada.
It doesn't go on to say what they do next. Mop the floor I guess.
With a H&S approved mop I hope? Plastic handle, not wood, so no danger of splinters!
tigersaw
21-01-09, 09:47 PM
I've had to write instructions for someone to lift a box on to a table, with a full risk assessment.
Yes, but did you include full mitigation to reduce the residual risk?
gettin2dizzy
21-01-09, 09:50 PM
Yes, but did you include full mitigation to reduce the residual risk?
I 'delegated' the task to someone else ;)
SoulKiss
21-01-09, 10:39 PM
Did they use the "two bucket" method?
Could have been worse I suppose.....
2 Cleaners One Bucket anyone..................
gettin2dizzy
21-01-09, 10:49 PM
Did they use the "two bucket" method?
Edit: beaten to it- darn!:
Could have been worse I suppose.....
2 Cleaners One Bucket anyone..................
Thingus
21-01-09, 10:58 PM
I despise our company because it actually employed a guy in an anorak to come and tell us how tall our boxes shouldn't be >: (
Flamin_Squirrel
22-01-09, 10:16 AM
I despise our company because it actually employed a guy in an anorak to come and tell us how tall our boxes shouldn't be >: (
Not your companies fault, they're just trying to protect themselves.
Today I had to read a risk assessment and method statement before issuing a work permit to allow a cleaner to mix detergent in a bucket.
Not as daft as it sounds....
In a former job I was called in to investigate an incident where a cleaner was gased by chlorine after tipping bog-cleaner and bleach one after the other into pan.
As FS says, it's just the company covering its backside.
Please don't misunderstand - I'm not defending it as it does sound very tedious. If the cleaner in my example had read the instructions on the products then it wouldn't have happened.
Flamin_Squirrel
22-01-09, 10:41 AM
Please don't misunderstand - I'm not defending it as it does sound very tedious. If the cleaner in my example had read the instructions on the products then it wouldn't have happened.
Everyone hates health and safety, right up until the point they get hurt. Either because of a negligent employer, or because they did something stupid - either way, they're suddenly no longer responsible for their own safety, it was someone elses fault.
timwilky
22-01-09, 10:46 AM
My company keeps having a go at me because I have not attended the lifting and handling course. I tell them each time there is no point as I don't do lifting.
The safety manager got onto my boss about my attitude. and was told he doesn't do lifting. I was off work for nearly a year as a result of a back injury, are they ever going to expect me to risk my back.
Beside when was the last time you ever saw a project manager lift anything heavier than a laptop.
Although they are now using so called H&S requirements for drivers to force me to sign a mandate to allow the DVLA to give my details to a company who will then check I am allowed to drive. So far I have refused. we audited the 3rd party company and found serious data protection faults that have now been remedied so again I must sign the mandate. Not.
Thingus
22-01-09, 01:26 PM
Not your companies fault, they're just trying to protect themselves.
Oh yas i understand that :p but instead of once a year or so having some dude come round and tell us to move stuff, we have one every month, and it's fkn annoying handballing 6 tonnes of copper to one place and having to move it because 'it could fall over (3x2 tonne pallets?) and hurt somebody'.
Mr Speirs
22-01-09, 01:32 PM
Oh yas i understand that :p but instead of once a year or so having some dude come round and tell us to move stuff, we have one every month, and it's fkn annoying handballing 6 tonnes of copper to one place and having to move it because 'it could fall over (3x2 tonne pallets?) and hurt somebody'.
They should employ someone whos job is it to investigate how long it would take for the Health and Safety fella to get a smack in the mouth and just how safe a Health and Safety job is :)
Thingus
22-01-09, 01:43 PM
:D haha...
jamesterror
22-01-09, 02:20 PM
I stack shelves for Sainsburys, yes I'm a student.
But often having to put potato crates, rollers into the yard and high vis's are never by the back door, and one night the gates were locked, nobody else in the yard, all online delivery drivers had gone home, no high vis's without having to go up to the other end of warehouse, quickly popped out to take 'em manager saw me and said do it again and thats a disciplinary.
I always wear one when there is a delivery, or online drivers are putting their vans in ridiculous places or our local farmer comes to pick up disposed stuff for the pigs, but grr. Health & Safety was made to create more jobs and hassle, and probably protect employees / consumers more but to an unreal extent.
Caddy2000
22-01-09, 02:27 PM
God no. the check the current COCHH register to check the detergent is ISO 9002 compliant and source traceable, and then the trained operative wearing the correct protective equipment, (under supervision or within immediate contact of aid - see separate H+S risk assessment attached), fills the bucket with the correct amount of warm water, (temp checked with calibrated thermometer), the correct dose of aforesaid detergent is added (see method statement for correct procedure) yada yada yada.
It doesn't go on to say what they do next. Mop the floor I guess.
Are you sure that what happened? :rolleyes:
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