View Full Version : Its getting more tempting to move away! Who else has thought of migration?
ThEGr33k
23-01-09, 10:41 PM
I'm wondering if it might be worth looking into going over to somewhere like Australia for a bit to see what its like and perhapse staying if I like it...
I mean biking all year round BABY!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/city_guides/results.shtml?tt=TT003030
Absolute minimum of 2*C In winter!!!! OMG Average 8*C. Sigh. Sooo tempting. :cool:
dizzyblonde
23-01-09, 10:46 PM
not Australia. Like I said months ago on a thread, they are running out of water.
I watched a programme the other day about how theres a big river system over there that supplies many of the farms over there, and its had such bad rain fall, and they made a lot of alterations in the 50s to the way it filters and such, that its now dwindling. There used to be some 55 farms that ran off it, and now theres only 10.
If thats the way it is for farming out there, what will it be like for those who need what they supply. Aus is getting overpoulated for what they can sustain
Just my thoughts but even the Aussies, are saying they are turning their land into a desert
we want to move, have done for a long time.
if it were me it'd be either canada or oz both as good tempted but you need to be in a trade they need at the time or they'll tell you to sod off.
Wideboy
23-01-09, 10:54 PM
yep, if things continue going the way they are i'll probably either be in canada or oz in a few months
Thingus
23-01-09, 10:55 PM
I wanna move to Canada so badly, i love that place, but i have no idea how i'd do it and no there's no real reason for them to accept me :<!!! but lovely biking country, long rides :)
BigFootIsBlurry
23-01-09, 10:55 PM
Canada or NZ for me, might give it a go in a few years. Not that I have anything against the uk, just might fancy a change and I'm pretty nomadic
DarrenSV650S
23-01-09, 10:57 PM
I was seriously planning this until I lost my job. It's on the back burner now. But I do really want to get somewhere consistently hotter. I'm sick of putting up with things here
Wideboy
23-01-09, 11:00 PM
only reason im still here is friends, family and my apprenticeship, my time is up in July, i have a step uncle in canada and a good mate in the trade down under so i might aswell go lol
ThEGr33k
23-01-09, 11:03 PM
I guess they will have to start pumping water over the land from the sea. :cool:
gettin2dizzy
23-01-09, 11:07 PM
not Australia. Like I said months ago on a thread, they are running out of water.
I watched a programme the other day about how theres a big river system over there that supplies many of the farms over there, and its had such bad rain fall, and they made a lot of alterations in the 50s to the way it filters and such, that its now dwindling. There used to be some 55 farms that ran off it, and now theres only 10.
If thats the way it is for farming out there, what will it be like for those who need what they supply. Aus is getting overpoulated for what they can sustain
Just my thoughts but even the Aussies, are saying they are turning their land into a desert
we want to move, have done for a long time.
You mean the ISLAND nation on Australia is suffering from water problems? ;)
In the centre, then yes. But remember Oz is the size of Europe. Bearing in mind that scale, it has only 21 million people! Oz has nothing to worry about in terms of sustainability. Yes its farms have struggled a bit in the last decade, but if you choose to build a farm in a desert then what do you expect ?!
Gr33k, just go. Don't think about it. If you change your mind over there, then you'll have only learnt from the experience!
they could alway's just refine sea water plenty of that going spare.
dizzyblonde
23-01-09, 11:11 PM
if it were me it'd be either canada or oz both as good tempted but you need to be in a trade they need at the time or they'll tell you to sod off.
we're tempted by canada, my sister in Laws family live over there.
I fancy NZ, I have a good friend over there from school to give us guidance if need be.
Whatever way Im Indoors has an engineering degree thats in demand. Its just getting off the first rung now hes graduated thats the problem.
Dangerous Dave
23-01-09, 11:12 PM
I am seriously considering it upon retirement, this country is going to pot and no one seems to be able to vaguely control it anymore.
if your tempted dizzy you may aswell britain's going down the pan so it's not like you'll miss the place too much.
dizzyblonde
23-01-09, 11:18 PM
if your tempted dizzy you may aswell britain's going down the pan so it's not like you'll miss the place too much.
This is true. Its taken me four years to come round to the idea of it though. My dads a pretty ill fella, but hes said don't stay on my account, and we're pretty close, so its a big thing from him to say it. But I still say its not that easy to come back if owt happens to him, its not as if I'm an hour or two up on a bike from wherever over here.
And on a less serious note, can you imagine the cost of exporting at least four bikes to wherever and the worry over getting them there in one piece:rolleyes:
that's a point the only thing i'd miss about england is my family and friend's.
ThEGr33k
23-01-09, 11:55 PM
that's a point the only thing i'd miss about england is my family and friend's.
Me too... Maybe I can talk them all into going over there? :p
DarrenSV650S
23-01-09, 11:57 PM
It's weird but I don't think I would miss them that much
dizzyblonde
23-01-09, 11:59 PM
Me too... Maybe I can talk them all into going over there? :p
If I went, I'd love to tempt the folks over. But me old dad can only go on a flight maximum of four hrs:( So he'd never get the chance
not Australia. Like I said months ago on a thread, they are running out of water.
I watched a programme the other day about how theres a big river system over there that supplies many of the farms over there, and its had such bad rain fall, and they made a lot of alterations in the 50s to the way it filters and such, that its now dwindling. There used to be some 55 farms that ran off it, and now theres only 10.
If thats the way it is for farming out there, what will it be like for those who need what they supply. Aus is getting overpoulated for what they can sustain
Just my thoughts but even the Aussies, are saying they are turning their land into a desert
we want to move, have done for a long time.
You mean the ISLAND nation on Australia is suffering from water problems? ;)
In the centre, then yes. But remember Oz is the size of Europe. Bearing in mind that scale, it has only 21 million people! Oz has nothing to worry about in terms of sustainability. Yes its farms have struggled a bit in the last decade, but if you choose to build a farm in a desert then what do you expect ?!
Gr33k, just go. Don't think about it. If you change your mind over there, then you'll have only learnt from the experience!
It's not not just fams that are lacking water. There are very tight restrictions on domestic water usage too, our hosepipe bans are nothing compared with what they have to deal with.
Dicky Ticker
24-01-09, 09:01 AM
Couple of sayings come to mind.
Grass is always greener on the other side
Rats on a sinking ship
WHERE IS YOUR OWN PRIDE,MOST PEOPLE ON HERE ARE OF AN AGE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY THE COUNTRY IS RUN. DON'T JUST VOTE,IF YOU FEEL THAT STRONGLY ABOUT YOUR SITUATION ENTER POLITICS AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN
I admit I am not enamered by our situation but having spent 25 years working abroad
in a multitude of countries,the grass is not always as green as it may seem and no matter how hard politicians try they can't please all the people all the time.
I basically think that all politicians are greedy people who put such a spin on things that targets are unobtainable and half of what they say is only to ensure they keep their job.
We are a small island nation and could be pretty self sustaining if we didn't have to conform to EEC legislation which is covering nearly every aspect of our lives at the moment. Perhaps if we had a government that put Britain before its own self importance
we would be in a better situation instead of siding with America and getting involved in world politics.putting our own house in order first seems like a good idea to me
Jinxy43
24-01-09, 09:03 AM
Well I will qualify in 3 yrs time, then I can move to Canada, South Africa or the Antipodean Isles.
I am seriously tempted, because this country (as much as I love it) has slowly gone downhill, and it will get worse before it gets beter :smt064
check whether you are needed in Australia
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf
Both myself and my girlfriend are in a required profession.
I would go tomorrow given half the chance, she is however relatively close to her family which is the hard part.
I may be off to India to work for 6 months anyway :cheers:
xXBADGERXx
24-01-09, 09:33 AM
After a nasty ending relationship about 3 years ago I sent off applications for Aus , NZ and Canada and got accepted for the lot , luckily I landed an almost dream job , passed my bike test and bought an SV ................ so we shall see for the time being . Mate of mine lives in Aus and is always taunting me on Facebook with pictures of him and the Mrs Scuba Diving , BBQ`ing , Riding bikes in the Sun , Water Ski-ing , Days on the beach , Warm summer eve style parties , Drinking Beer ............. oh wait I think I just talked myself back into checking this out
A good mate of mine moved back to the states a couple of years ago and we went out to L.A. to visit him last november, he works for Disney in hollywood, his dad is a pro photographer in the hollywood sysyem and his uncle is a carpenter working for universal and who actually was resposible for building the ark in evan almighty,he,s been told he could get me into the states, into the studios and more importantly into the union, its still the land of opportunity.......but the mrs wont leave the uk :(.
dizzyblonde
24-01-09, 01:01 PM
You mean the ISLAND nation on Australia is suffering from water problems? ;)
. Yes its farms have struggled a bit in the last decade, but if you choose to build a farm in a desert then what do you expect ?!
!
They didn't build farms in a desert. It was a green and lush part of the land until the 50s when they reorganised the rivers with dams and such, the upper parts of the river system thrives and the lower end dies. The scientists now say they have made mistakes by creating things that they thought would benefit. Coupled with less water fall over the last ten years its pretty much a disaster.
And as Sarah says if we think hosepipe bans are bad:rolleyes:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7672105.stm
this is the article I saw on the beeb this week.
I'm wondering if it might be worth looking into going over to somewhere like Australia for a bit to see what its like and perhapse staying if I like it...
I mean biking all year round BABY!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/city_guides/results.shtml?tt=TT003030
Absolute minimum of 2*C In winter!!!! OMG Average 8*C. Sigh. Sooo tempting. :cool:
Have you considered the border patrol ? its the place to be seen you know :)
:smt040:smt040:smt040:smt040:smt040
check whether you are needed in Australia
http://www.immi.gov.au/allforms/pdf/1121i.pdf
Both myself and my girlfriend are in a required profession.
I would go tomorrow given half the chance, she is however relatively close to her family which is the hard part.
I may be off to India to work for 6 months anyway :cheers:
India ? who for if you dont mind me asking, my lot, Wincantons are looking for people to go to India on 6 month - 3 yr contacts
pencil shavings
24-01-09, 02:07 PM
Canada or NZ for me, might give it a go in a few years. Not that I have anything against the uk, just might fancy a change and I'm pretty nomadic
serious point about this...
as there are long cold winters, there are few bikes on the road. and becasue of this, cages are just not bike aware. My mom was in canada afew months ago for 3 weeks or somthing touring around the place, and the responce was the same from everyone, bikes are more dangerous as people dont know they are there. The only bikes that she did see were big harleys and the like which hug the middle of the lanes.
Couple of sayings come to mind.
Grass is always greener on the other side
Rats on a sinking ship
WHERE IS YOUR OWN PRIDE,MOST PEOPLE ON HERE ARE OF AN AGE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE WAY THE COUNTRY IS RUN. DON'T JUST VOTE,IF YOU FEEL THAT STRONGLY ABOUT YOUR SITUATION ENTER POLITICS AND MAKE THINGS HAPPEN
I admit I am not enamered by our situation but having spent 25 years working abroad
in a multitude of countries,the grass is not always as green as it may seem and no matter how hard politicians try they can't please all the people all the time.
I basically think that all politicians are greedy people who put such a spin on things that targets are unobtainable and half of what they say is only to ensure they keep their job.
We are a small island nation and could be pretty self sustaining if we didn't have to conform to EEC legislation which is covering nearly every aspect of our lives at the moment. Perhaps if we had a government that put Britain before its own self importance
we would be in a better situation instead of siding with America and getting involved in world politics.putting our own house in order first seems like a good idea to me yeah good luck with that just have a go theyve dragged it so far down that you not get it back britain's practically an eu state now :mad:
gettin2dizzy
24-01-09, 04:33 PM
EEC? You're showing your age there ;)
But +1 :thumbsup:
Re: Australia
Biased opinion here. 28*C outside, perfectly blue sky, gentle breeze keeping things sweet. Water restrictions are really not a problem, unless you're a garden fanatic, we are building a desalination plant here in Victoria as a fallback, no lack of good affordable farm produce, milk (say) is $1.20 a litre=50 p, we're still producing more wine than we can drink/sell; climate varies from wet tropical in the north to dry hot in WA, to coolish temperate in Tasmania. Take your pick. Petrol is 0.96-$1.20/l atm. Not as cheap as US. Bike parts are outrageously expensive so many of us get our bits from the US. With air freight, it's still much cheaper.
Downside? The cities tho are fairly low density; (Neighbours is a pretty typical suburb,) ppl live spread further apart so socialising takes a bit more effort. You might miss that close neighbourhood feel. Look carefully at potential salaries, they may be less generous than you're used to. Same goes for NZ. House prices have recently shot up but still not in the same league as UK.
HTH, some passing thoughts.
northwind
26-01-09, 04:14 PM
The grass is always greener... TBH I think you'll find a lot of what bothers you here is happening everywhere, it's not just a british thing. Quite a few of my mates did the "Britain sucks, I'm off" think and flew off to Oz, Canada, the USA, Russia, Hong Kong, Saudi... Now most of them are coming back- while it was just a long holiday it was all great but once they started to adapt to really living there they started to find the negatives.
But a change is as good as a rest, if you genuinely want to do it, do it- even the guys who're coming back don't regret it at all, and life's too short to regret the things you didn't do.
lived and worked in Oz for a year and there was nothing better than coming home from work and going for a swim in the sea, eating outdoors and watching the sun set etc. Sounds like a cliche but it was pretty much perfect.
This is my Mum and step-dad's site, it has plenty of NZ pics...
http://www.shuttabugz.com/gallery2/main.php
if anyone was thinking of NZ - plenty of curvy roads for a nice bike blatt....oh and the other pics are of Africa - no dangerous animals in NZ unless you count the weta's (and they are in caves) - think prehistoric cricket. They are endangered apparently...if they come near me, they will be extinct *bleh*.
Tim in Belgium
26-01-09, 11:01 PM
I've decided I'm never going to live or work outside of the UK. Ever.
missyburd
27-01-09, 12:48 AM
Too many poisonous things and I'd frazzle. NZ on the other hand...
gettin2dizzy
27-01-09, 08:01 AM
I've decided I'm never going to live or work outside of the UK. Ever.
Me neither :rolleyes:
ThEGr33k
27-01-09, 11:14 AM
lived and worked in Oz for a year and there was nothing better than coming home from work and going for a swim in the sea, eating outdoors and watching the sun set etc. Sounds like a cliche but it was pretty much perfect.
So why you come back?
I've decided I'm never going to live or work outside of the UK. Ever.
Erm... OK?
bluninja
27-01-09, 11:41 AM
I lived in NZ for a few years...wife and kids missed relatives and we returned ....biggest mistake ever...will be back there in a few years. Lucky for me I've an indefinate returning residnets visa.
Biking is great, racing is cheap and you can race through the winter (it's like fast commuting) but they do stop the races if the track gets covered in hailstones. Only problem is that you can enter the national classes as a novice and be racing alongside (at the start line) IOM TT class winners.
I lived in NZ for a few years...wife and kids missed relatives and we returned ....biggest mistake ever...will be back there in a few years. Lucky for me I've an indefinate returning residnets visa.
Biking is great, racing is cheap and you can race through the winter (it's like fast commuting) but they do stop the races if the track gets covered in hailstones. Only problem is that you can enter the national classes as a novice and be racing alongside (at the start line) IOM TT class winners.
...and I thought you bikers loved a challenge! :) - where will you be based when you go back?
timwilky
27-01-09, 01:18 PM
worked in :-
China
Indonesia
Philippines
Taiwan
Malaysia
Dubai
France
Switzerland
I never want to work outside the UK again.
bluninja
27-01-09, 01:27 PM
...and I thought you bikers loved a challenge! :) - where will you be based when you go back?
I expect I will probably head back out to West Aukland initally, mainly cos IT work is most plentiful around Aukland, but I wouldn't mind living around the Coromandel.....the Coro loop is an awesome days ride.....and easier since they finished tarmacing it all the way round 6 years ago.
I've been reading this thread with interest. It never stops to surprise me how many brits think that leaving outside the UK is a lot better.
I'm Greek and that's where I grew up till I came over to the UK to study when I was 18. All the people at work ask me WHY I'm here and not back in Corfu where I come from (and the family is). I guess it depends to what you want from life but from my perspective this is how life in Greece will be for you guys :)
IF you decide to leave in an island then during the winter there will be F-ALL to do. Apart from a few more sunny days it will be cold and probably windy. In terms of friends you most likely will end up having other ex-pats so not much of a difference there either.
During the summer you will have to withstand the high hummidity and high temperatures of about 40 Celcious. The traffic chaos, lack of public transport, a public sector that is the definition of "nothing ever gets done in a million years" etc etc.
Finally, most people don't take into account the income "issue". Life in Greece is not as cheap as most people think! As a matter of fact shopping in the supermarkets here is A LOT cheaper than there. With the exchange rate as it stands after tax income of £2000 i.e. €2000 would just help you go by.....that is with rent/mortgage included. Hence why all the riots in the big cities.....the generation of today is working on basic salaries of €700!!!!! In Athens that would give you €200 to buy food.....u'd starve!!!
Do the maths I'd have to say to anyone! Be realistic as to what level of lifestyle you could have in this other place you intend to move to.
From my point of view, work in the UK and take holidays at least twice a year abroad.
I've been reading this thread with interest. It never stops to surprise me how many brits think that leaving outside the UK is a lot better.
I'm Greek and that's where I grew up till I came over to the UK to study when I was 18. All the people at work ask me WHY I'm here and not back in Corfu where I come from (and the family is). I guess it depends to what you want from life but from my perspective this is how life in Greece will be for you guys :)
IF you decide to leave in an island then during the winter there will be F-ALL to do. Apart from a few more sunny days it will be cold and probably windy. In terms of friends you most likely will end up having other ex-pats so not much of a difference there either.
During the summer you will have to withstand the high hummidity and high temperatures of about 40 Celcious. The traffic chaos, lack of public transport, a public sector that is the definition of "nothing ever gets done in a million years" etc etc.
Finally, most people don't take into account the income "issue". Life in Greece is not as cheap as most people think! As a matter of fact shopping in the supermarkets here is A LOT cheaper than there. With the exchange rate as it stands after tax income of £2000 i.e. €2000 would just help you go by.....that is with rent/mortgage included. Hence why all the riots in the big cities.....the generation of today is working on basic salaries of €700!!!!! In Athens that would give you €200 to buy food.....u'd starve!!!
Do the maths I'd have to say to anyone! Be realistic as to what level of lifestyle you could have in this other place you intend to move to.
From my point of view, work in the UK and take holidays at least twice a year abroad.
Very good points - but I assumed that most people would do their homework if they ever did make such a big move (or am I being dense again?); although if you dont have kids, why not bop around for a bit, its not like travel will kill you!!...and the reason I'm here and not back home in 27 degree sun? NZ is in the middle of no where and while I intend to go back eventually....I love London and the people I meet are a darn sight open minded (ha, that will scare you) than most people in NZ!
I expect I will probably head back out to West Aukland initally, mainly cos IT work is most plentiful around Aukland, but I wouldn't mind living around the Coromandel.....the Coro loop is an awesome days ride.....and easier since they finished tarmacing it all the way round 6 years ago.
West Auckland (Henderson to be exact) was where I grew up...puzzled me why people cracked up when I first came over here and said I was a Westie. Until Soulkiss pointed out it was a small dog (I'm a medium dog, thank you for asking) :))
bluninja
27-01-09, 02:42 PM
West Auckland (Henderson to be exact) was where I grew up...puzzled me why people cracked up when I first came over here and said I was a Westie. Until Soulkiss pointed out it was a small dog (I'm a medium dog, thank you for asking) :))
So do you wear a beanie, a black t-shirt and drive a Holden V8?
I lived Te Atatu South just down the hill from Foodtown....small world huh?
Biker Biggles
27-01-09, 06:45 PM
I visited Auckland once and had a great time.Also went to Wellington.(Which was closed due to lack of everything)
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