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SoulKiss
30-01-09, 09:16 AM
Right - let me explain the road layout.......
On the otherside of the road from where I work they are building a new office building.
This has led them to close half the road and erect Road Closed signs just the other side of a zebra crossing.
There is a gap, oh about the width of a cyclist between the Diversion and Road Closed signs.
This morning, while crossing the zebra crossing I noticed a cyclist lining up to come through between the signs and enter the closed road.
So I stopped and the conversation went a bit like.
"Where you going? Roads Closed"
"Not to bike is isnt"
"No, its closed to vehicles, you're a vehicle"
"F*&*K Off" then getting off his bike and pushing it down the road on the pavement.
Obviously I need to go read my Highway Code......
Thingus
30-01-09, 09:28 AM
And here we go onto the argument, should bicycles be allowed on the pavement!
I like cycling, i just don't want to be associated with that... people ^.^
fizzwheel
30-01-09, 09:33 AM
Agree with Thingus, I love cycling, I just think alot of cyclist are ignorant tw*ts, but then you could say that about alot of people in society in general.
I think the attitude of cyclists is going to get worse as more of them take to the road as opposed to runing a 2nd car or using public transport.
SoulKiss
30-01-09, 09:38 AM
And here we go onto the argument, should bicycles be allowed on the pavement!
I like cycling, i just don't want to be associated with that... people ^.^
in his defence he was pushing his bike down the pavement.
It was the bit about him cycling the down a closed road which was now single lane with him going against the flow that I couldn't understand.
Fizz, I agree that there are some good cyclists and bad ones - but all I ever see is the bad ones - and there is usually at least one incident per journey at rush hour - like the guy last night that seemed to think that just because he had his are in the air indicating he wanted to pull out into my lane that he had the right to just go and that I should stop/make room for him - which I couldn't because of other traffic around me - once again I got a load of abuse.
fizzwheel
30-01-09, 09:40 AM
Trouble is the bad ones make it worse for those of us that do cycle in a responsible manner. I cringe at some of the things that I see them doing.
Kate Moss
30-01-09, 09:45 AM
I saw a cyclist on the A38 - is that allowed?
the_lone_wolf
30-01-09, 09:49 AM
I saw a cyclist on the A38 - is that allowed?
If it's classified as a motorway route then no, if it's not then afaik yes
Thingus
30-01-09, 09:51 AM
They can ride on anything other than motorways as far as i know... even dual carriageways with 70mph limits. I see bike paths across slip-roads all the time, even though i think it's stupid.
Miss Alpinestarhero
30-01-09, 09:56 AM
Right - let me explain the road layout.......
On the otherside of the road from where I work they are building a new office building.
This has led them to close half the road and erect Road Closed signs just the other side of a zebra crossing.
There is a gap, oh about the width of a cyclist between the Diversion and Road Closed signs.
This morning, while crossing the zebra crossing I noticed a cyclist lining up to come through between the signs and enter the closed road.
So I stopped and the conversation went a bit like.
"Where you going? Roads Closed"
"Not to bike is isnt"
"No, its closed to vehicles, you're a vehicle"
"F*&*K Off" then getting off his bike and pushing it down the road on the pavement.
Obviously I need to go read my Highway Code......
tut, good on you for standing up to him.
Some cyclists are really good, observant and obey the road rules but the majority of them are bloody irritating and a danger to everyone around them. The amount I see on my way to work jumping the lights, squeezing through ridicolous gaps between buses / lorries, wobbling all over the place or suddenly weaving right into the middle of the road is just :smt072
I saw a cyclist on the A38 - is that allowed?
Ive seen a cyclist on the A406 once (the 50mph section). bloody dangerous.
Reckless Rat
30-01-09, 10:02 AM
[quote=SoulKiss;1765816]
"F*&*K Off" then getting off his bike and pushing it down the road on the pavement.
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Sounds fair enough. I would do the same.
Isn't this is a bit like envious car drivers complaining about bikers filtering through traffic?
Miss Alpinestarhero
30-01-09, 10:08 AM
Isn't this is a bit like envious car drivers complaining about bikers filtering through traffic?
No. All the motorcyclists I come across are always very considerate and follow the road rules. I move over whenever I can to let them pass.
The key point which makes many cyclists annoying is that they break the road rules.
Thingus
30-01-09, 10:11 AM
The key point which makes many cyclists annoying is that they break the road rules.
To be fair to them, i doubt many of them actually know the road rules. I don't.
fizzwheel
30-01-09, 10:14 AM
No. All the motorcyclists I come across are always very considerate and follow the road rules. I move over whenever I can to let them pass.
The key point which makes many cyclists annoying is that they break the road rules.
And so do a lot of motorcyclists, I've witnessed some very discourterous behaviour from other motorcyclists, both when I've been on my GSXR and my car.
Miss Alpinestarhero
30-01-09, 10:17 AM
And so do a lot of motorcyclists, I've witnessed some very discourterous behaviour from other motorcyclists, both when I've been on my GSXR and my car.
There will always be some people from every category (car drivers, motorcyclists, pedestrians etc) who break road rules and give others a bad name.
Paul the 6th
30-01-09, 10:19 AM
aye there's some nobs on bicycles.... and there's some nobs on motorbikes. There's also nobs in cars and vans, even busses and lorrys!
To be fair he might have been breaking the rules but if I'm completely honest, I don't think I'd have told you to f**k off straight away, but maybe asked what it's gotta do with you? Fair enough he's riding against the traffic on a road which is in fact closed, so if he gets knocked off, I'm sure it'll be some other road users fault in a small claims court, but I'd have just left him to it... One less nob on the road maybe?
SoulKiss
30-01-09, 10:19 AM
[quote=SoulKiss;1765816]
"F*&*K Off" then getting off his bike and pushing it down the road on the pavement.
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Sounds fair enough. I would do the same.
Isn't this is a bit like envious car drivers complaining about bikers filtering through traffic?
Not complaining about the pushing down the road - just the ignoring the road closed sign
21QUEST
30-01-09, 10:31 AM
"F*&*K Off" then getting off his bike and pushing it down the road on the pavement.
Sounds fair enough. I would do the same.
Isn't this is a bit like envious car drivers complaining about bikers filtering through traffic?
Yup.
I probably see more cars and motorbikes being inconsiderate to cyclists.
Talking about pavement. I once had to bump my bike across a pavement but noticed this guy with a baby in a pushcahir walking towards me(still miles away). I switched the engine off and waited. Guy as he gets to me starts eyeballing me and muttering under his breath, so I asked him if there was a problem here.
His reply was something along the lines of, "shouldn't be riding on the pavement" FFS I was at 90 degrees to kerb , switched engine off when I noticed him...as it was quite a high kerb so you had to be very careful/slow getting up. didn't want engine running by the time he was very close....thinking of the baby like :cool:
Anyhoos told him to feck off. He then informed me he was a Police officer and my reply to that was, "soooo, do you want a bloody medal" :rolleyes: :-D
Ben
Reckless Rat
30-01-09, 11:03 AM
Not complaining about the pushing down the road - just the ignoring the road closed sign
I thought you said 'pushing it down the road on the pavement' :confused:
I thought you'd stopped to have a go at a cyclist who was considerate enough to get off and push his bike on the pavement.
Everyone needs to ride a bicycle through town to understand cyclists.
I only ride two miles to work, and stick to the rules. :smt083 but, unless you see it you would not believe the sheer bloody minded treatment I get from bikers, car drivers and pedestrians... plus abuse, abuse, abuse.
SoulKiss
30-01-09, 11:06 AM
I thought you said 'pushing it down the road on the pavement' :confused:
I thought you'd stopped to have a go at a cyclist who was considerate enough to get off and push his bike on the pavement.
Everyone needs to ride a bicycle through town to understand cyclists.
I only ride two miles to work, and stick to the rules. :smt083 but, unless you see it you would not believe the sheer bloody minded treatment I get from bikers, car drivers and pedestrians... plus abuse, abuse, abuse.
My typo - he WAS pushing it down the pavement - which I still dont have a problem with.
"F*&*K Off" then getting off his bike and pushing it down the road on the pavement.
Obviously I need to go read my Highway Code......
Duuuuurrrrrr, your in London.
Everyone else is always right, your always wrong don't you know that.
Even that dappy bird driving the wrong way down a one way street..... Shes right, your still wrong.....
Leave london, life starts when you exit the city border. People become human again. :)
SoulKiss
30-01-09, 11:18 AM
but maybe asked what it's gotta do with you?
Someone has to let the nobs know that what they are doing is unacceptable.
So its got a LOT to do with me.
If he was pushing the bike down the pavement then what's the problem? At least he didn't ride it. I wouldn't even get off the bike to be hoenst.
David, if the cyclist was to sit at the roadside and stop you and ask you to keep within the speed limit would you be offended ??????
SoulKiss
30-01-09, 11:36 AM
David, if the cyclist was to sit at the roadside and stop you and ask you to keep within the speed limit would you be offended ??????
There is a huge difference between slightly exceeding the speed limit and ignoring traffic signals giving direction.........
And to clarify - no objection to him pushing bike on pavement - just him ignoring and riding through a road closed sign.
Is the road also closed to pedestrians?
For christ sakes, im am sure that you do not ride to the letter of the Law SK i know i bloody well dont, so i dont see that you have any place to complain.
SoulKiss
30-01-09, 11:45 AM
For christ sakes, im am sure that you do not ride to the letter of the Law SK i know i bloody well dont, so i dont see that you have any place to complain.
So should we just ignore all traffic signs - would make my trip to work shorter if I didnt have to worry about traffic lights and no-entry signs......
STRAMASHER
30-01-09, 11:45 AM
Simply a "**** off?"
I reckon you were lucky!;)
If you want to be a high n'mighty type why don't you join the cops.:smt019:mrgreen:
"There is a huge difference between slightly exceeding the speed limit and ignoring traffic signals giving direction........."
So, you only ever slightly exceed the limit...................my ar5e
David, my point is that a rule/law is just that.
Have you ever crossed a solid white line...........................I know the answer to that.
have you ever done a debatable overtake with oncoming traffic......................I know the answer to that.
I think it is a bit hypocritical to have a pop at somebody for doing something that doesn't directly involve you.
Let him without sin cast the first stone.
Oh and by the way, I am a regular cyclist.......:D
STRAMASHER
30-01-09, 11:57 AM
Oh and by the way, I am a regular cyclist.......:D
I am not. (Was years ago as a necessity)
Far too dangerous! I'll stick to my safe motosickles.
Maybe some folk need to use a push-bike for a couple of DAYS to see how other road users treat you , like summit they scape of their shoes.
Not entirely sure what the problem is - if people can walk down the road then provided they don't mow down all in their path - I see no problem with anyone cycling along it.
Adults cycling at speed on the pavement is the only thing that annoys me. Got no real objection if no ones walking on it and they're careful.
(blasting through lights without taking appropriate care also annoys me and so does riding without lights)
It's the same when I'm driving - I'm not bothered if a Motorbike goes the wrong side of a traffic island to get through snarled traffic - as long as they don't get in the way of oncoming traffic or someone crossing the road.
Chill Winston.
Paul the 6th
30-01-09, 12:08 PM
Someone has to let the nobs know that what they are doing is unacceptable.
So its got a LOT to do with me.
at that point I would have probably told you to f**k off lol... (then you could have called me an unnacceptable nob = problem solved :D)
Could be worth complaining to the DfT or local council? Maybe call the non-emergency police number. Did you get the make & model of his bike and a description of what he's wearing?
Duuuuurrrrrr, your in London.
Everyone else is always right, your always wrong don't you know that.
Even that dappy bird driving the wrong way down a one way street..... Shes right, your still wrong.....
Leave london, life starts when you exit the city border. People become human again. :)
Daimo has spoken the truth :)
Maybe some folk need to use a push-bike for a couple of Weeks
Probably a really good idea... often wondered if car drivers would be better if they'd completed a CBT on a moped first.
Could be worth complaining to the DfT or local council?
Yeah that road closed sign needs a " Except For Pedestrians and Cycles" sign....
:rolleyes:
i feckin hate that diversion David, do you know when it's going to end?
Actually today I rode on the pavement on 2 occasions, don't normally though :smt102
muffles
30-01-09, 12:39 PM
Let him without sin cast the first stone.
I always wondered about this phrase, it never made sense to me.
If no-one tells anyone else off for doing something 'wrong'*, then it will never change. The implication of the phrase is that very few/no people have done no 'wrong'*, so no-one is allowed to tell anyone else what they are doing is 'wrong'*.
So the world just gets worse?
Surely it is better to try than to stand idly by, if you see something 'wrong'*?
*I realise the definition of 'wrong' is open to interpretation, let's assume for the purposes of this example that we all know what is 'wrong' and have the same definition.
Paul the 6th
30-01-09, 12:45 PM
I always wondered about this phrase, it never made sense to me.
If no-one tells anyone else off for doing something 'wrong'*, then it will never change. The implication of the phrase is that very few/no people have done no 'wrong'*, so no-one is allowed to tell anyone else what they are doing is 'wrong'*.
So the world just gets worse?
Surely it is better to try than to stand idly by, if you see something 'wrong'*?
*I realise the definition of 'wrong' is open to interpretation, let's assume for the purposes of this example that we all know what is 'wrong' and have the same definition.
dear devil lol
cake anyone? :razz: soulkiss, if any more cyclists tell you to f**k off, give them a good old crack round the chops or push them off their bike... just do it the good old fashion hard working northern way :)
Actually today I rode on the pavement on 2 occasions, don't normally though :smt102
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Burn him
I always wondered about this phrase, it never made sense to me.
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The meaning of that phrase in this instance is if SK wants to live in a better world then he should stop breaking speed limits, solid lines etc. and then all will be right with the world (before complaining about cyclists - What? SK complains about cyclist? who knew?) It would also do a lot more good as several laws would actually not be broken anymore rather than the cyclist just ignoring SK and doing the same thing tomorrow - he did by the way I saw him :lol:
And Sophie, yeah bring it on - bet it will be freezing tonight otherwise :lol:
SoulKiss
30-01-09, 01:40 PM
The meaning of that phrase in this instance is if SK wants to live in a better world then he should stop breaking speed limits, solid lines etc. and then all will be right with the world (before complaining about cyclists - What? SK complains about cyclist? who knew?) It would also do a lot more good as several laws would actually not be broken anymore rather than the cyclist just ignoring SK and doing the same thing tomorrow - he did by the way I saw him :lol:
And Sophie, yeah bring it on - bet it will be freezing tonight otherwise :lol:
While you were riding alongside him but on the pavement? :p
"F*&*K Off" then getting off his bike and pushing it down the road on the pavement.
I'd have said exactly the same thing. But I wouldn't have bothered to push it.
I have ridden my motorbike through roads that have been 'blocked off'.
muffles
30-01-09, 05:08 PM
dear devil lol
cake anyone?
What? Lol...
The meaning of that phrase in this instance is if SK wants to live in a better world then he should stop breaking speed limits, solid lines etc. and then all will be right with the world (before complaining about cyclists - What? SK complains about cyclist? who knew?) It would also do a lot more good as several laws would actually not be broken anymore rather than the cyclist just ignoring SK and doing the same thing tomorrow - he did by the way I saw him :lol:
And what again? Sort of... lol
I just thought it was a stupid phrase, and now I'm baffled :p
You said the phrase meant "so no-one is allowed to tell anyone else what they are doing is 'wrong'*."
It doesn't, it means sort your own mistakes out first before you criticise others.
muffles
30-01-09, 05:28 PM
You said the phrase meant "so no-one is allowed to tell anyone else what they are doing is 'wrong'*."
It doesn't, it means sort your own mistakes out first before you criticise others.
Interesting, I think that's an implied interpretation (due to natural human retaliatory behaviour to criticism) myself, but I see where you are coming from. I would assume 'without sin' means 'without ever having committed a sin' rather than 'without having any current sins' (whatever a 'current' sin might be :p).
I still think it's wrong as phrases go. Why should people not let try to change things they see as wrong? That's like cutting off the world's nose to spite its face - in the grand scheme of things, you want everything to be 'right' not 'wrong'. So any effort to increase the number of 'right's versus the number of 'wrong's is a good thing. The number of 'wrong's currently attributed to the person driving the change surely has nothing to do with the 'wrong' at hand? It may stink that someone who is currently 'doing wrong' can tell you that you are 'doing wrong' but what matters at the end of the day? Your pride and/or humility, or the number of 'right's versus the number of 'wrong's in the world?
I do mean the universal 'you' here, not you Stu ;)
not you Stu :wink:
;)
You can never change the past, only the future so I read it as sort your own fualts out first.
Why should people not let try to change things they see as wrong?
Your going to do far more good actually making a change re your own faults than just complaining at someone else who might ignore you
timwilky
30-01-09, 05:47 PM
Having had a cyclist ride into me the other day and a torrent of abuse for having the audacity to be on the pavement when he hit me. I can understand where SK is coming from. Yes all road users ignore certain rules that they do not like. Most bikers have a tendency to misunderstand the meaning of NSL etc.
However, we do mostly know the rules of the road. We have experienced the idiots who run red lights, and know the dangers that idiots present to us by virtue of our vulnerability outside of 4 wheel cages.
I am now firmly of the belief that cyclist must carry 3rd party insurance. However, if the idiot who ran into me the other day is anything to go by. they would ignore that rule. what if he had hurt me. Incapable of working etc. I be screwed if he had not got the where with all to adequately compensate me for lost salary etc. however, if as a result of running into me he had fallen under a car, you can bet he would have been straight to the solicitors to attempt to sue me.
muffles
30-01-09, 05:52 PM
;)
You can never change the past, only the future so I read it as sort your own fualts out first.
Haha, well that's a good point. But what if you committed a murder? You can't fix it...but it would seem strange for that person - if that was the only fault he had committed - to be considered 'without sin' (and able to cast the stone ;)).
Your going to do far more good actually making a change re your own faults than just complaining at someone else who might ignore you
Completely agree. But it doesn't mean you shouldn't do both... ;)
Btw the way you put it makes it biased towards fixing your own faults, same as "no point p*ssing about with your own problems, when you could spend time making a real impact in other people's lives, and helping them shape a better future for themselves and others"... ;)
Btw the way you put it makes it biased towards fixing your own faults, same as "no point p*ssing about with your own problems, when you could spend time making a real impact in other people's lives, and helping them shape a better future for themselves and others"... ;)
Agreed, but SK just shouted at the guy, OK so he got him to push his bike, but it's hardly devoting your life like Mother Theresa ;)
muffles
30-01-09, 07:54 PM
Agreed, but SK just shouted at the guy, OK so he got him to push his bike, but it's hardly devoting your life like Mother Theresa ;)
Haha, fair point :p
Tim in Belgium
30-01-09, 07:55 PM
Come to Holland where cyclists rule :)
That's why I cycle to work, man I'm King of the Road (or weg).
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