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ibshort
17-02-09, 10:43 AM
Hi all,
Been riding for a few months now, so im a fairly confident rider, been driving for over a year aswell. Had my test couple of weeks ago, and failed with 1 major on 'positioning on a roundabout'
I was told that I entered the roundabout correctly, signalling was fine, observations fine, and I left roundabout correctly, but I somehow managed to do something wrong in-between (something about not letting cars behind know my intentions and the examiner had to go in the left lane just as a precautinary thing).
Dont really know what i done wrong tbh, If anyone has any tips on roundabouts etc it would be helpful, have my second test tomorrow!
Thanks,
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Dave20046
17-02-09, 10:47 AM
He was supposed to explain it to you. Probably too far over to the right on exit so it would have been possible you were not exitting. Can't imagine you failing on that though.
(something about not letting cars behind know my intentions and the examiner had to go in the left lane just as a precautinary thing
Were you turning right?
If so it sounds as though you may have moved from the right lane to the left with either no signal or a late signal.
ibshort
17-02-09, 11:46 AM
He was supposed to explain it to you. Probably too far over to the right on exit so it would have been possible you were not exitting. Can't imagine you failing on that though.
yeah i did ask for him to explain, but he didnt explain it that well, also I was totally bummed after finding out I failed so my head was ready to explode!
I thought your not supposed to change lanes while on a roundabout, but the examiner says that as long as you look about you can change and I should have moved earlier?
I told my instructor after, and it should have been a minor apparently...
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Sounds to me like you were going straight & straight lined it. That is only for after your test.
Really best to get your trainer to help you though, bit difficult to explain over the internet.
Dave20046
17-02-09, 11:53 AM
basically taking your rounds a bit slower might help. I had a bit of nervousness surrounding all the tiny miniroundabouts on my test route (loads!) cause you've got to position, indicate and do checks as if they were a proper roundabout but in reality they're more of a junction.
ibshort
17-02-09, 11:55 AM
basically taking your rounds a bit slower might help. I had a bit of nervousness surrounding all the tiny miniroundabouts on my test route (loads!) cause you've got to position, indicate and do checks as if they were a proper roundabout but in reality they're more of a junction.
thanks for all the help so far, really hope i pass tomorrow, the tests aint cheap!
Should i handle them like i would in a car? Or are there any differences?
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Should i handle them like i would in a car?
Exactly the same (assuming you are doing it correctly in the car, that is). Just remember lifesavers before changing lanes.
Dave20046
17-02-09, 12:09 PM
Exactly the same (assuming you are doing it correctly in the car, that is). Just remember lifesavers before changing lanes.
when I'm riding I find I end up doing a lifesaver on both sides upon exitting. Left to make sure no ones coming up my inside (ooh er) and right too make sure no one is overtaking. Maybe not recommended as I'm pretty novice but I did it on my test and it wasn't mentioned.
vardypeeps
17-02-09, 12:18 PM
Positioning is not a major is it? That seems very harsh.
Like mentioned above just too far to the right when exciting.
If you had signalled to come off that should be fine
when I'm riding I find I end up doing a lifesaver on both sides upon exitting. Left to make sure no ones coming up my inside (ooh er) and right too make sure no one is overtaking. Maybe not recommended as I'm pretty novice but I did it on my test and it wasn't mentioned.
Much better to position yourself that there is only one area of risk & then look that way.
e.g. turning left, if you are so far left that there is no room for a cyclist to undertake you, then you don't need to lifesaver to the left.
The opposite for turning right
Positioning is not a major is it?
All depends on the consequences. A major fault is something that 'causes inconvenience to another road user'. With that in mind, poor positioning when there are no other vehicles around would be a minor but if there are other vehicles around that might be confused by your actions, then the same fault would become a major.
Dave20046
17-02-09, 12:22 PM
Much better to position yourself that there is only one area of risk & then look that way.
e.g. turning left, if you are so far left that there is no room for a cyclist to undertake you, then you don't need to lifesaver to the left.
The opposite for turning right
I do that on junctions, never thought about it on roundys - cheers!
ibshort
17-02-09, 12:31 PM
but if there are other vehicles around that might be confused by your actions, then the same fault would become a major.
yeah, i think thats my problem. still harsh though!
thanks for all advice so far
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plowsie
17-02-09, 12:55 PM
Bit of a bummer to be failed on that, as said though, could cause a hazard to other users. Get it right this time and you won't have to get another right in your life (unless you have to ever take a re-test) :-P
TheRamJam
17-02-09, 01:41 PM
Does sound harsh that. I just recently passed my test and was going round most roundabouts at about 15 - 20 mph. I find that any faster than that I start to panic about indicators lifesavers and all that stuff.
I have always just done what my instructor taught me. I passed my test at the first attempt so it mus have worked as I took my test in Ayrshire and there are quite a few roundabouts there.
Heres what I do:
Left turn at R/A - First exit
Approach r/a in the normal riding position i.e. left of center. On approach remember the OSMPSL. Check left mirror, right mirror and flick on left indicator. Slow down and if traffic allows complete the turn with a right lifesaver, cancel indicator once manouvre is complete. If you have to stop for the oncoming traffic remember to check both mirrors and do a right lifesaver before you move off just incase someone tries to cut you up. You'll be surprised how many drivers try to jump ahead of learners just because they think they will take ages to go.
Straight Through - 2nd exit usually
Approach r/a in the normal riding position i.e. left of center. On approach remember the OSMPSL. Check left mirror, right mirror. Slow down and if traffic allows enter the R/A and once passed the first exit check both mirrors and then indicate left, just before you turn do a right lifesaver, cancel indicator once manouvre is complete. If you have to stop for the oncoming traffic remember to check both mirrors and do a right lifesaver before you move off just incase someone tries to cut you up.
Right Turn - usually 3rd exit
On approach remember the OSMPSL. Check left mirror, right mirror, indicate right, do a right lifesaver before you move into right position. Slow down and if traffic allows enter the R/A and once passed the 2nd exit check both mirrors and then indicate left, just before you turn do a left lifesaver, cancel indicator once manouvre is complete. If you have to stop for the oncoming traffic remember to check both mirrors and do a left lifesaver before you move off just incase someone tries to cut you up.
Am not saying this is what you should do merely just stating what worked for me. Ride at a speed your comfortable with when going round R/A as your hands, head and feet are all doing different things.
Good luck on your next test mate
ThEGr33k
17-02-09, 02:02 PM
When you came off of the roundabout did you go from the inside lane to the outside? If so that counts as choping it... a lot of people get this wrong :(
I promise to remember OSMPSL.
But I have no idea what it means 8-[
Dave20046
17-02-09, 02:12 PM
observation signal monoevre positioning speed something
Dave20046
17-02-09, 02:13 PM
lifesaver?
plowsie
17-02-09, 02:13 PM
observation signal monoevre positioning speed something
lifesaverrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
I promise to remember OSMPSL.
But I have no idea what it means 8-[
OK I'll have a go,
Observation, Signal, Mirror, Position, Speed, Lifesaver?
That can't be right, mirror s/b before signal. I tried swapping signal & speed, but position s/b before speed :confused:
Dave20046
17-02-09, 02:41 PM
my answer was correct observation is your mirror check and your shoulder look then your signal then your monoevre
my answer was correct observation is your mirror check and your shoulder look then your signal then your monoevre
:shock: how can you perform your manoeuvrer before adjusting your position, speed & doing lifesaver? :lol:
plowsie
17-02-09, 02:45 PM
:shock: how can you perform your manoeuvrer before adjusting your position, speed & doing lifesaver? :lol:
Thus we get to Daves bent Banana project...
Dave, please don't take offence, I am only joking dude :) xxx
Dave20046
17-02-09, 02:45 PM
oh wait yeah balls!
Dave20046
17-02-09, 02:46 PM
Thus we get to Daves bent Banana project...
Dave, please take offence, I am only joking dude :) xxx
none taken I introduced my bike to an audi's @rse, I deserve everything I get.
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kwak zzr
17-02-09, 08:02 PM
did someone mention orgasm?
oh roundabout
mmmmm
same thing :)
did someone mention orgasm?
oh roundabout
mmmmm
same thing :)
What, going round and round in circles and never quite getting it right?
kwak zzr
17-02-09, 08:33 PM
nooooooooo, going round and round in circles and Getting it right ;)
Sounds to me like you were going straight & straight lined it. That is only for after your test.
Really best to get your trainer to help you though, bit difficult to explain over the internet.
For your test, if you're turning left or going straight on, you MUST keep left and NO wandering. I always do a shoulder check just before I exit too, left first, and then when I've exited I do a right - can't remember the DSA requirement on this though. If turning right, stay in the right lane, shoulder check left as you indicate left BEFORE you start pulling across.
But TBH I always apex the roundabout. On DSA test this would be an instant fail.
And... cancel the indies on exit!!!!
All the best for tomorrow!!!!!!!!
did someone mention orgasm?
oh roundabout
mmmmm
same thing :)
Sorry ibshort. but you do not want sex wee on your test. Trust 'im to lower the tone:rolleyes:
kwak zzr
17-02-09, 08:40 PM
mmmm sex wee when ever i approach an island at about 8,000rpm in 2nd, warm day, warm tyres :)
ibshort
17-02-09, 08:43 PM
hey all, i managed to spot my instrutor while i was out on my ride, I managed to follow him and asked him if he asked the examiner what was up with my test.
Seems that I was taking the third exit and stayed in lane pretty much till i left, but after i had passed second exit, a car had pulled out and was in the left hand lane.
So apparently the car in the left hand lane had to slow down as didnt know where i was going, and that I should have treated it a bit like a spiral roundabout and moved to the left hand lane straight after the 2nd exit.
Seems a bit harsh nonetheless getting a major for that!
thanks for all advice.
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hey all, i managed to spot my instrutor while i was out on my ride, I managed to follow him and asked him if he asked the examiner what was up with my test.
Seems that I was taking the third exit and stayed in lane pretty much till i left, but after i had passed second exit, a car had pulled out and was in the left hand lane.
So apparently the car in the left hand lane had to slow down as didnt know where i was going, and that I should have treated it a bit like a spiral roundabout and moved to the left hand lane straight after the 2nd exit.
Seems a bit harsh nonetheless getting a major for that!
thanks for all advice.
That's the nature of the exam. Random stuff can happen (if that car hadn't done that you'd probably have passed), it's totally up to the examiner on the day and not a lot anyone can do about it till they start recording them all and giving them to us on a disc afterwards.
It sounds like you know what the system is, you have to be positive with your lane switches and do them at the right times whilst constantly looking basically everywhere.
Maybe you left the move from inside to outside a fraction too late, thus prompting the cager to enter because he thought you were continuing right around.
Good luck with your retest. Forget about this stuff, your instructor has shown you how to do it, so do it :)
ibshort
17-02-09, 09:06 PM
I passed my driving the second time aswell, so here hoping for a repeat performance! and get my SV finally!!!
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ibshort
19-02-09, 05:47 PM
btw, passed yesterday! 3 minors. got a bike lined up aswell!
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Biker Biggles
19-02-09, 06:24 PM
Well done.I guess you remembered not to get your knee down on that roundabout this time?
ibshort
19-02-09, 07:14 PM
Well done.I guess you remembered not to get your knee down on that roundabout this time?
haha, i should have passed if i managed a knee down on a ybr125!
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