chain question

[Wideboy]

trying to put a new did xring chain on and i don't have the chain tool, is it possible to link it without the tool?

i.e. clamp the plate on and then tap the ends over with a punch or is this pushing my luck?, does the plate have to be put on square ect?

any advice mucho welcomed [-o<

[suzsv650]

Possible but not advisable. I broke the last Chain Riveter i had it was rubbish

[Wideboy]

hmm, i cant find one anywhere with out buying off the tinterweb but i need it ASAP

[maviczap]

trying to put a new did xring chain on and i don't have the chain tool, is it possible to link it without the tool?

i.e. clamp the plate on and then tap the ends over with a punch or is this pushing my luck?, does the plate have to be put on square ect?

any advice mucho welcomed [-o<

My local bike shop does it this way and advised my mate to do the same when he asked about borrowing their chain rivetting tool.

Hasn't broken yet on his zx9 and he rides like a loon

[suzsv650]

Tbh id do it, but its probably not as secure as a riveter.

[Wideboy]

so how would i do it, bring them together with some sort of cramping device in the middle of the plate?

obviously the joint shouldn't be to tight against the other one so the link can still move, maybe so they can still move?

[suzsv650]

If you think about it the chain isnt pulling on the link that youve "rivited" anyway so it should be fine... for picece of mind its best to use a riviter imho

[maviczap]

Depends how hard you hit it with a hammer!

I bet I could exert more Newtons with a hammer than I could with a riveter, so the link could be overtightend I guess, which might not be a good thing.

But less secure? H'mm wiould depend on the kind of joining rivit and how you finish off the head of the rivet, as to how secure it's going to be using the hammer method.

In an emergency you could use the hammer method and then repalace it with a new joining rivet once you've got a rivet tool to hand

[Wideboy]

lol looks likes it going to be a "feck it and see what happens" job

should be able to do it, its just taping the ends over, the metal looks hard so its going to take some brute force to do it

[Sally]

I just fitted a new D.I.D chain..
Put the link on, put a 8mm nut on top of the link, and clamped with a plyers..
Then once both links came through, flattened them off with a hammer..

[Wideboy]

I just fitted a new D.I.D chain..
Put the link on, put a 8mm nut on top of the link, and clamped with a plyers..
Then once both links came through, flattened them off with a hammer..

good enough for me mate :D:D

tar peeps :D

[scottjames]

does it not come with the clip link as well?

i used the clip link then took it down to my local stealer and if they are nice they might let you use their riveter or even do it for you. only takes a sec.

[Wideboy]

one on my last bike did, wouldn't trust a clip link on a sv though :confused:

[dizzyblonde]

yeah but a split link/clip thingy will go as far as a bike garage, where you'll be able to get it do it properly.

[Wideboy]

sprockets are done will see whats what tomorrow, cant be ar$ed to do anymore tonight lol

[DarrenSV650S]

Are the wemoto chain kits endless?

[yorkie_chris]

Are the wemoto chain kits endless?

Nope.

[DarrenSV650S]

So where do you get the endless ones?

[fizzwheel]

So where do you get the endless ones?

The Suzuki OEM chain is endless I think...

[MattCollins]

one on my last bike did, wouldn't trust a clip link on a sv though :confused:

Why not? Is there something special about the SV that makes clip links dangerous?

I would trust a properly installed clip link over a bodged riveted join any time.

Cheers

[yorkie_chris]

I wouldn't trust one having lost a few before. Why add risk?

Safest way is to put a clip link on, ride to a garage and get a link riveted.

[maviczap]

Why not? Is there something special about the SV that makes clip links dangerous?

I would trust a properly installed clip link over a bodged riveted join any time.

Cheers

SV power pulses arn't kind to a chain at the best of times, adding a clip link isn't going to improve things.

This is why clip links aren't supplied with a new chain

YC's suggestion of getting it to the garage on the clip link, before getting a proper job done, is all I'd trust a clip link with.

It's false economy to fit one, as the damage to you or the bike aren't worth it, should the clip link fail.

[MattCollins]

Power pulses? I can think of bikes that are worse in this regard and do just fine with clip links. I have run on them for 20 odd years without issue, but I don't buy any old rubbish. The only way they fail is if the clip gets knocked off and that often comes down to the installation. But then, I guess they are dangerous if it means protecting the average clueless doit from himself. Cheers

[yorkie_chris]

And right back to the "why add extra risk" argument. If I want extra risk I just ride faster, I don't skimp on effort maintaining the bike...

Personally, I would advise anyone to use a rivet. If I didn't and it comes off somewhere down the road and takes their leg off, I wouldn't want that on my conscience for giving daft advise out.

[maviczap]

And right back to the "why add extra risk" argument. If I want extra risk I just ride faster, I don't skimp on effort maintaining the bike...

Personally, I would advise anyone to use a rivet. If I didn't and it comes off somewhere down the road and takes their leg off, I wouldn't want that on my conscience for giving daft advise out.

+1 on this

[MattCollins]

Hmmm.... Clips don't just come off. My only objection is to the sweeping generalisations that clip links are dangerous, which is just plain wrong. Forget the dodgy science justification. FWIW, I use riveted chains by choice because it is one less thing to worry about, but I have no issue with clip links when necessary.

Cheers

...

[Biker Biggles]

As I recall the traditional advice from the chain manufacturers is to avoid using spring links on bigger bikes,IE over 125cc or something like that.They should know.

[thefallenangel]

I've bought a chain riveter for my chain as imo a link is a bad idea. Spring links aren't as permenant as a rivet so i'd go with the rivet. And as has been pointed out chains going snap is a dangerous business.

[yorkie_chris]

Clips don't just come off.

I disagree. I don't think they are safe for road use. I will not use one or advise anyone else to, other than to go somewhere to get a proper link fitted.

[Sally]

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/ProductImages/300/633023055101426768520LINK.jpg.

Bought a D.I.D chain and some un branded sprockets, the stealers sell them in a set..
Thats what i joined my chain with..
£123? sound ok?

[yorkie_chris]

Did the DID chain not come with a soft link?

That is the clip link we are on about that is not a good idea IMO.

[Sally]

I duno, cant remember properly..
I had a go, but left it to the mechanic that services bikes and quads and that to put it on..

Soft link?
I aint very mechanically minded, pictures?

[Sally]

http://www.af1racing.com/store/ProdImages/SSrivetmaster.jpg.

Looks more like it ^^
Same grease that came with it..

[Richie]

The Suzuki OEM chain is endless I think...

not so, I bought OEM suzuki sprockets and chain £80, and had to get it rivited by the local bike garage..

please get it riveted with a proper riveter.. not a hammer and punch....:smt009

[pencil shavings]

not so, I bought OEM suzuki sprockets and chain £80, and had to get it rivited by the local bike garage..

please get it riveted with a proper riveter.. not a hammer and punch....:smt009

the one that comes as standard with the SV is endless, at least on the K3

[yorkie_chris]

But OEM chains supplied come as a normal chain not endless!

[pencil shavings]

But OEM chains supplied come as a normal chain not endless!

ahh, ok :cool: