View Full Version : Quicky question on restriction - advice needed.
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 07:40 AM
Right he said in the shop the restriction they do is a manual one on the valves, I went with that one coz it's cheaper!
He did mention the suzuki one which is £300.
Its a new ECU! So my thoughts are, but i've gotta be quick incase he starts it monday!
Can you buy them second hand? And i presume it can be sold on when finished? If so i need one ASAP
The reason i would prefer this is he said its a lot smoother on delivery which could mean the other restriction deliver being jerky which is the last thing i need when being unstable anyway!!!
thanks peeps
Restricting a K6 by valve adjustment, and that's cheaper than fitting a restricted ECU? Are they having a giggle?
As I'm sure you're fully aware, the valves on the SV aren't the easiest things to get at - quite a high cost in labour. I've been quoted £200 to even look at my valves for clearence checks as per the schedule!! That's without changing them!
Whereas the ECU, is a matter of undoing 2 bolts (riders seat), lifting the ECU out, unplug it, and plug the restricted one in! The only reason you need a shop to do that is so you get a certificate saying it's been done.
Restricted ECU's pop up from time to time in the For Sale section or eBay (I've looked & can't see any on eBay at the moment).
As for the restriction being jerky, I assume you're taking that to be the restricted ECU being jerky? Not at all. Power delivery is almost identical (or so I'm told) to a full power bike up until around 80-90mph. Then you're risking getting pulled over anyway.
If it is jerky (regardless of the restriction method), there's plenty of threads on here about how to sort it out. Basically a throttle body balance & TPS adjustment.
£300 for swapping the ECU seems a tad expensive to me - but then I'm not sure how much the part is direct from Suzuki.
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 08:11 AM
Right ok, I must be wrong on the valve thing, Buts it like a manual restriction rather than the ecu one!
i've looked and i can't find a second ecu anyway, the £300 was just off the top of me head, but the manual restriction was deafinatly cheaper!
If this will be ok then fine, but just head it can be a bit uneven with power delivery!
TBH, I'd pay a little more for the ECU restriction.
I ride a K6, and I can't think of ever hearing any other method to restrict it than to change the ECU (same for all pointies).
If you go the route of a manual restriction (which could just be a throttle stop in effect), then you might end up paying someone (the same shop?) to remove it later on.
If you get the ECU changed, tell them you want to keep the full power one (it's yours after all, not theirs). Then when your probation is up, swap the thing yourself & inform insurance company.
EDIT: Restricted ECU part number is 32920-17G10, if that helps your search. :) You can get a restricted ECU from anything K3 onwards & it should work perfectly well.
EDIT2: I've had a quick look on the net, and new they're coming back at roughly £220 (plus labour puts you around £300 - but that's expensive labour). I've seen them in the past in the For Sale section for £80 or so.
the other restriction is washer's in the airbox and a throttle stop work's ok but not as good a option as the ecu.
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 09:27 AM
oooo don't know what to do now!
whatever's cheaper check ebay the ecu's occasionally pop up and go for around the£50 mark.
Geoffrey
22-02-09, 09:30 AM
if you purchased the bike from a suzuki dealer the ecu restriction is free of charge according to there website. speak to dangerous dave as he will know about all this
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 09:30 AM
the one i'm having is cheaper! check the net no ecus seem to be avliable at the min!
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 09:39 AM
whatever's cheaper check ebay the ecu's occasionally pop up and go for around the£50 mark.
Checked that its only on brand new models!
CarlosSV650S
22-02-09, 09:44 AM
I have just had mine restricted, and got the ECU one.
the manual restriction was £ 160 , plus 2 Hrs labour, £ 49 per hour!
the ECU was £180 plus 1\2 Hr labour so this works out cheaper.
Geoffrey
22-02-09, 09:46 AM
i bet a dealer told you that as the ecu is free of charge and free to fit and they can not make money from it
Not many people seem to realise but the Suzuki restrictor kit has always been free (inc fitting) if you bought a Suzuki motorcycle from an authorised Suzuki dealer, whether a new or secondhand SV650. Some dealers started to charge for the kit when Suzuki stopped advertising it, hence why at the beginning of last year Suzuki reconfirmed the kits were free.
I will also point out that you are supposed to be supplied with the full power components for when you are entitled to go to full power, Suzuki will charge for fitting though.
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 10:03 AM
i bet a dealer told you that as the ecu is free of charge and free to fit and they can not make money from it
Its says on brand new models only on the suzuki website!
The dealer is a m8 so don't think he would rip me off!
shonadoll
22-02-09, 10:20 AM
I sold my old one for £40 once I'd finished with it, no way £300.
Its says on brand new models only on the suzuki website!
The dealer is a m8 so don't think he would rip me off!
Dealer = Business = Make Money
Mate = Not at work
There is no such thing as a dealer who is your friend when they're open for business, otherwise no one would ever make any money.
I wouldn't touch a restriction via throttle stop on an FI bike. It's such a stupid way to do something which can be easily achieved with electronics.
You'll be able to buy a 33BHP ECU and then sell it on easily when you're done with it, but selling a hardware restriction for an FI bike will be tough.
Is the dealer franchised Suzuki or Mr. Backstreet?
thefallenangel
22-02-09, 12:13 PM
Buyit and do it yourself. You've only gotta take the rider seat off unclip and reclip it. Don't worry about restriction certificates nothing is legal representation of restriction.
£50 most for 2nd hand ECU unit and fit it yourself. Anyone who tells you anything is a liar, backstabber, money robbing git. (Apart from the free suzuki restriction which is the same but they give you a worthless certificate)
Coppers ever got a problem with it tell them, here's the keys to my bike, i want a hire one while you dyno'it and then 2 new tyres as a dyno will screw them up when you want it back.
/rant over.
matt_rehm_hext
22-02-09, 01:31 PM
I have just had mine restricted, and got the ECU one.
the manual restriction was £ 160 , plus 2 Hrs labour, £ 49 per hour!
the ECU was £180 plus 1\2 Hr labour so this works out cheaper.
Ouch, I'd hate to pay that!!!
I got a secondhand one from the "for sale" section here, and fitted it myself in 10 minutes.
Ruthja-
Just wait (I know it sucks) until I hopefully pass my full power test, and I'll sell you my 33BHP ECU for £50 less postage.
DON'T pay a dealer or whatever, you'll just waste hundreds of pounds. I went to my local Suzuki dealer, quoted me £150ish for the FI kit restriction (****e) and OVER £300 for the ECU method. They blabbed on about how "it's not the labour, it only takes 15min to fit (which is does), but the cost of the restriction certificate and the ECU itself". Rubbish
Matt
shonadoll
22-02-09, 01:49 PM
It's so easy to fit, I even managed it. Ruth have you put a post in the wanted section?
DON'T pay a dealer or whatever, you'll just waste hundreds of pounds. I went to my local Suzuki dealer, quoted me £150ish for the FI kit restriction (****e) and OVER £300 for the ECU method. They blabbed on about how "it's not the labour, it only takes 15min to fit (which is does), but the cost of the restriction certificate and the ECU itself". Rubbish
As I already posted above, I've found brand new restricted ECU's online for £220 ish. That's not direct from Suzuki, who may actually charge more.
Dealerships, especially if franchised, are only allowed to purchase from nominated suppliers otherwise they risk heavy penalties.
The certificate, whilst some say is useless, an insurance company may well ask to see before the cover is activated.
Lets assume that Suzuki do sell the ECU's at £220, and that the shop charge a minimum rate of one hour (not that uncommon). My local dealership is £55/hr. So that's £275, throw in £30 for the certificate and you're at £300. The dealership hasn't really made any profit on any of that yet, so add a small profit margin too.
matt_rehm_hext
22-02-09, 02:23 PM
As I already posted above, I've found brand new restricted ECU's online for £220 ish. That's not direct from Suzuki, who may actually charge more.
Dealerships, especially if franchised, are only allowed to purchase from nominated suppliers otherwise they risk heavy penalties.
The certificate, whilst some say is useless, an insurance company may well ask to see before the cover is activated.
Lets assume that Suzuki do sell the ECU's at £220, and that the shop charge a minimum rate of one hour (not that uncommon). My local dealership is £55/hr. So that's £275, throw in £30 for the certificate and you're at £300. The dealership hasn't really made any profit on any of that yet, so add a small profit margin too.
So are you saying you think she should spend more money and get a dealer to do it?:confused:
So are you saying you think she should spend more money and get a dealer to do it?:confused:
No, but if you read what I wrote above, I said that I would pay more & get the ECU restriction done.
The certificate usually isn't needed, but I'd rather have it for peace of mind.
I also said that there's usually some restricted ECU's that pop up in the For Sale section, and it was me that pointed Ruth to your thread talking about your test - to suggest that if timing suits, she considers buying yours.
At the end of the day, it's all about informed decisions.
But to say that prices quoted by a dealership are rubbish, IMO, shows a lack of understanding. Yes, dealerships have a bad reputation in general, but on the whole, I find they don't actually deserve it.
I've had the same problem last year...
bought the OH an SV650 and she did the restricted license...
went to dealers...
ECU restriction... around £300
Washers restriction... around £200 (and messes up the fuel injection)
I thought.. yeh right, not goin to pay that.
Just waited till one came up, at the time I had 4 people from here sending me PMs with offers of restricted ECUs for sale.. ended up buying one for £30
I've fitted it myself, really easy, just take seat off and plug the new one in..
Restriction certificate...
The OH called loads of insurance companies, not even one was interested in seeing a certificate...they just dont care. The certificates were started by a company (which I cant remember the name) and that was done so they could rip people off on something they dont really need...
If you have a problem where your insurer needs to be involved they will check if the bike is restricted... but on the other hand I know someone who had an accident and neither the police or insurance even bothered to ask about certificate or even check the bike...
Dont buy the FI international one (the maual restriction using 2 washers in the air box and a throttle restriction).
FI international will be the company that started tis certificate sh!te, they just rip you off, you're only paying for the certificate.
My bike has that and runs fine, but cheaper to pick up a second hand 33bhp ECU from the org, as you can fit it youreself and all that.
Good luck!
matt_rehm_hext
22-02-09, 07:39 PM
No, but if you read what I wrote above, I said that I would pay more & get the ECU restriction done.
The certificate usually isn't needed, but I'd rather have it for peace of mind.
I also said that there's usually some restricted ECU's that pop up in the For Sale section, and it was me that pointed Ruth to your thread talking about your test - to suggest that if timing suits, she considers buying yours.
At the end of the day, it's all about informed decisions.
But to say that prices quoted by a dealership are rubbish, IMO, shows a lack of understanding. Yes, dealerships have a bad reputation in general, but on the whole, I find they don't actually deserve it.
I wasn't bashing dealerships just for the sake of it, I was saying how £300+ is a very large amount of money to be spent on something that in 2 years is useless to me.
I feel the same as JP - "went to dealers...
ECU restriction... around £300
Washers restriction... around £200 (and messes up the fuel injection)
I thought.. yeh right, not goin to pay that."
Matt
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 10:34 PM
Thanks for the input guys, I've had a number of offers via pm. I'm speaking to him to se if i can cancel the 'other' retriction don't see why not and then i'll do it myself, gonna speak to the insurance company tom to see if they require a certificate! If they do and i take the 2nd hand ecu to the deal and they fit it can they issue a certificate?? Thanks guys
dual-power sv
22-02-09, 10:36 PM
i brought a restricted ecu off ebay for 125, and then fitted it my self (insureance company didnt have a proplem with it). i then had a very clever auto election wire me up a switch board so as the original ECU and the 33bhp ECU can be change from the flick of a switch from under the pillion seat(that way keys have to come out to change between ecu's) so for £175 i've got a perfectly legal 70/33bhp SV, sorted.
thefallenangel
22-02-09, 10:37 PM
Thanks for the input guys, I've had a number of offers via pm. I'm speaking to him to se if i can cancel the 'other' retriction don't see why not and then i'll do it myself, gonna speak to the insurance company tom to see if they require a certificate! If they do and i take the 2nd hand ecu to the deal and they fit it can they issue a certificate?? Thanks guys
Don't bother. They'll tell you if they want one. If they do then get a dyno printout which costs about £30. If you phone they'll probably want one then.
dual-power sv
22-02-09, 10:38 PM
when i phoned MCE for my insureance they never mentioned the power of the bike
Neither me, you dont have to prove it..
Unless they specify..
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 10:42 PM
I'll have to phone as I have got to transfer my insurance from my old bike!
Can the dealer not back me up anyway?
dual-power sv
22-02-09, 10:44 PM
i asked my dealer fit the one i brought off ebay and they kicked up a right fuss, just stay well away, a really simple job to do, and like fallen angel says, a dyno for £30 is more than enough rather than £*** they'll charge for fitting it, which i dont think they will
I doubt they'll ask for a certificate, or a dyno..
matt_rehm_hext
22-02-09, 10:49 PM
i brought a restricted ecu off ebay for 125, and then fitted it my self (insureance company didnt have a proplem with it). i then had a very clever auto election wire me up a switch board so as the original ECU and the 33bhp ECU can be change from the flick of a switch from under the pillion seat(that way keys have to come out to change between ecu's) so for £175 i've got a perfectly legal 70/33bhp SV, sorted.
Now that is ****ing cool... What licence do you have though?....
Love ur name too! haha.
I love how this thread is kicking up a lot of response. Yeah, don't ask them if they require a cert... If they do, they'll ask you. Mine haven't asked me. And if they threaten to cancel the policy, needing proof, just do what fallenangel said, and get a dyno printout showing that it's max power is 33bhp or close to that.
And as I and others have already said, its so easy to fit the 33BHP ecu.
dual-power sv
22-02-09, 10:52 PM
i've got a restricted licence, my dads TL has a rev limited on it so im good for riding that aswel, although it never goes on :P
to be fair though with the mod ive got on my SV it really shows what a good bike the SV is for being restricted, you only notice the differecne above about 5000-6000rpm and about 80-85mph.
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 10:52 PM
TBH if they require a dyno could get that no probs without even taking the bike down, i used to work in a shop with a dyno, sure he would do me a 'favour'!!!
matt_rehm_hext
22-02-09, 10:54 PM
There you go. Sorted!
You just saved how much?....
£50 for the ECU opposed to like £300 ish?
Fitted yourself, free dyno run and or printout...
£250 to spend/save on something else!
dual-power sv
22-02-09, 10:54 PM
another thing to say how good the SV is restricted, against a bandit 600 round town and country lanes today, i absoulutly killed it
Ruthja2801
22-02-09, 11:00 PM
Hehehe thats good to know! ;)
dual-power sv
23-02-09, 04:58 PM
yea its an older carbed bandit but the high revving in-line 4 were no match for the low end torque of the sv
Ruthja2801
24-02-09, 07:46 PM
Bit of a update!
Big thank you to Steve_God, he personally dropped a ecu to my work for me today!
your a star thank you
Also thank you to everyone else who offered me there ECU
Cheers! Roll on Saturday!
shonadoll
24-02-09, 08:59 PM
Thanks for the input guys, I've had a number of offers via pm. I'm speaking to him to se if i can cancel the 'other' retriction don't see why not and then i'll do it myself, gonna speak to the insurance company tom to see if they require a certificate! If they do and i take the 2nd hand ecu to the deal and they fit it can they issue a certificate?? Thanks guys
Yep, don't see why not. Have to say, both of the insurance companies I used while restricted didn't even ask for a certificate. (Carole Nash and Bennetts)
Ruthja2801
25-02-09, 09:17 PM
Well i rang the insurance and when i put the phone down thought oh thats ok they haven't asked for certificate! Then thought you muppet i didn't tell em it was restricted!!! lol
The dealer i know is issuing another certificate for me, so alls good! Now all i need is to touch the floor!
CarlosSV650S
26-02-09, 07:55 AM
you dont need to tell the insurance anyway, i didnt.
as long as the bike is 33 Bhp then all is good.
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