help with starting - YC

[scottjames]

curvey 2001

Narrowed down a starting problem to either,

ignition barrel

ignition coil

ignition unit

my question is which on would you swap out first.

the bike will turn over ever time, some times it will turn over but not start. if you turn the bike off then on it will run first push of the button. it normally does this after its been riden.

please help me.

scott

[kurtis.randle]

have you tried a new battery?

[yorkie_chris]

So it runs alright when it does start?

[kurtis.randle]

might be your battery might not hold charge for long

[scottjames]

bike runs superb when it runs, the battery is fine, will turn the bike over for quite a while cold before it takes its toll but then the bikes charging it bk to norm after when i do ride it.

ive just been out on it and it didnt do it once, its so annoying. ive brought a new ignition control unit going try tht. if it still does it ill hve the change the ignition barrel.

it does start if you turn it off then bk on but i dont want to take the risk and ride it with this intermiten fault, get some where and it die completly.

scott

[yorkie_chris]

Why have you got the list of 3? All these 3 are needed to run the bike just as much as they are needed to start it. If it was ignition barrel/wiring it would randomly die. If it was coils it would run like $hit. If it was ICU box then it would do wierd stuff when running.

Sounds like the battery to me. Or maybe carburetion.

Or hang on a minute... is this a problem from hot or cold? Or both?

[kurtis.randle]

why have you got the list of 3? All these 3 are needed to run the bike just as much as they are needed to start it. If it was ignition barrel/wiring it would randomly die. If it was coils it would run like $hit. If it was icu box then it would do wierd stuff when running.

Sounds like the battery to me. Or maybe carburetion.

Or hang on a minute... Is this a problem from hot or cold? Or both?



battery is allways the 1st problem off most bikes

[scottjames]

i relised the coil were a no go after i posted,

the battery is good, it is an up rated one i beleve and has been fine. even fired the bike up in the snow.

it can do it randomly, like i said i just been out on it and nothing.

last sunday it did it every time, monday it did it cold and once it was hot.

yest my dad took it all apart cleaned all the connections, checked fuel and other bits and pieces and all was fine, it didnt do it all the time the bike was at home, i went out on it thinking brill its not doing it any more and then it wouldnt start, werid thing was i put the choke on and it worked but might have just been a coincedence with me turning it off and on.

then today its not done it at all.

like i said bike run great, plugs are clean and not getting soaked or too dry so fueling is right.

ive gto the ignition control coming now o ill try it any way.

[ThEGr33k]

Get volt meter and check voltage when you crank, if its getting below 10V then id say that its the battery ;)


So you saying it turns over but doesn't fire? Does it do it cold and hot?

[scottjames]

no doesnt fire

it did it when i tried to start the bike after school eventually went, gave a friend a lift to the train station.

turned it off and then wouldnt start gain. eventually went and ran fine again. so yes hot and cold but then it doesnt do it at all.

my dad had it hot enough for the fan to come on and it wasnt doing it at all.

ill check the battery to mo maybe it not letting enough amps out or some thing.

[ThEGr33k]

ill check the battery to mo maybe it not letting enough amps out or some thing.

Check Voltage... If its turning over ok Amps are good. If the voltage drops (I was having this issue on my Falco when the battery was low...) the sparkers do not spark.

You tried just charging the battery on an optimate?

Check if the battery terminals are on right, tight...

Try that, I know it sounds simple but these things often are. :rolleyes:

[scottjames]

i will give this a go to mo night, cheers im hopein it is some thing simple. its already eaten all my monies. :D

[pedro187]

i have tha same problem as Scott

I can go out to the bike cold and it start first time ride a few miles stop for fuel or arrive at a destination then try it again and all it will do is turn over without firing.

I have installed a top rated battery as of yeaterday and it appeared to have reolved the issue initially however the problem has returned.

I am starting to think that it could be the Carbs have currently got it striped down and and checking for air leaks etc maybe inlet or air intake funnel

any advise woul dbe greatly appreciated this is driving me mad

Peter

[tigersaw]

duff kill switch?

[pedro187]

Thanks Tigersaw

excellent that is what i am thinking have just been playing around with the kill swtich and tunring it on and off and seems to get better maybe there is some gunk in it or possible just dead and ill have to source a new one.

Also ran a metting over the bettery on starting to make the new was properly charged and it was only drops to 11 volts when cranking am very impressed.

I have foujnhd a crack in the air intake tunnel though which is concerning it will have to be replaced so it dow not break up and go into the carbs.

i cant find anywhere to get the part from as all the sites that have the part are in the US can you ceommend anywhere in the UK

and thanks

Peter

[pedro187]

it is still no better it kinf o feels like the kill switch however when running a circuit test on it it is fine

The off position show no circuit
The on position shows the circuit as good

should i expect to see and voltage through the switch ?

this is really doing my head in it is bearly starting now and have no idea what to test next , i have cleaned the conenctors to the Clutch switch at the top by the clutch leaver

battery has a good charge

no fuel issues

carbs are good

everythign else seems fine

please HELP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! gaaaaaarrrrrrrrrr

[Bibio]

it'll be one of the safety switches, sidestand/clutch.

[pedro187]

i think i might have an idea as to what it is. When i turn the ignition on everything comes on as normal but fails to start.

Howeever when it does start if i just kill the bike via the kill switch and leave the ignition on and then restart it it will start everytime . but when i turn the ignition off and then back on and tery again it fails and i have to **** about with it untuill it starts again.

So on that basis i am now thinking that it will be something to do with the ignition switch and might just orderin a new switch i am also going to check and see if there is a break in the loom etc

what does everyone thing

[Bibio]

have you checked the connector that the ignition switch plugs into. i know there are a few on the forum that have had problems with that.

[pedro187]

ill do that now thanks bibio

[pedro187]

have fiddled around with the loom from the ignition switch as i had put the bike back together as it has to get me to work tomorrow but after fiddling it now seem to be starting all the time ???? wow its an odd one , i hate electrical issues lol :)