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For this sunday, i have planned a ride for myself that lasts about 1 hour 15 mins. It involves a dual carriageway and a single A road. (the A12 and A414).
I passed my CBT in january, and since then i have had nearly 10 hours of additional training for my own benefit. I have owned my CG for just over a week, and i have built up my confidence on it quite rapidly, although i didn't feel confident enough to attempt any faster roads last week - i now feel i am ready for it.
Today my dad took my out in the car and shown me the route i am going to take on sunday, just so i can see what the roads are like, and how it feels to be on a dual carriageway (even though it was in a car). My dad has given me one or two tips for driving on dual carriageways, but he has no experience riding motorbikes, so i thought it was best to come here and ask for any additional advice on the riding, and lane discipline of these roads so that i can be as safe as possible.
Thanks for any advice.
ranathari
27-02-09, 04:38 PM
Dual carriageways aren't really that different to single carriageways except you go faster and be prepared for people who want to go even faster coming up your backside.
Mirror/shoulder, indicate, mirror/shoulder, move when changing lanes. Keep your speed up and that's about it.
fizzwheel
27-02-09, 04:39 PM
lane discipline of these roads so that i can be as safe as possible.
Keep the left hand side lane unless you are overtaking. Keep your wits about you and make sure you do you obs, life saver's etc. Also keep looking forward and keep planning ahead, keep an escape route in mind at all times, especially if the traffic backs up and gets heavy. Watch for twits changing lanes without looking on you, especially if you decide to filter.
Dappa D
27-02-09, 04:40 PM
same as anyother road mate....ride safely, keep an eye in your mirrors so u know whats going on around you and Always do ur lifesavers before changing lanes
Dual Carrageway tips.
6th gear
Long observation
hard twist on right hand
Hang on until your junction :lol:
In seriousness, depends on the road. I generally stick in the middle of my lane, or if its the kinda road where you can filter, i sit on the line.
Ride so you cna see the car drivers eyes off his mirrors. If you can see him, he SHOULD see you.
Ride with headlights on. Make it 2nd nature, turn them on when you get on the bike.
fizzwheel
27-02-09, 04:46 PM
If you can see him, he SHOULD see you.
But dont assume that he has....
Kilted Ginger
27-02-09, 04:59 PM
Control your lane, Sit central, too far either side and you'll get some plonker coming up te inside or outside of you. Other than that, remember things happen quicker at speed, leave good distances and observation, observation, observation.
DCs tend to be windy so expect to be blown about a bit. At first it feels like you're being blown across the road and can be unnerving. Maintain a relaxed grip - don't stiffen up - and grip the tank with your knees. Some find that it helps to lean slightly into the wind. I read another tip on here, to stick the windward knee out, but I've never tried it.
Have fun!!!
remeber your Life savers and mirrors, cant stress that enough, saved my bacon the other day where i was indicating to go over started to cross and the numpty behind me decided he wanted to overtake so i had to swing back.
You should be fine its just another road at the end of the day and there are no cars coming towards you, like Ed said though they can get a bit windy, i used to ride my 125 on DC all the time.
jamesterror
27-02-09, 06:07 PM
Control your lane, Sit central, too far either side and you'll get some plonker coming up te inside or outside of you. Other than that, remember things happen quicker at speed, leave good distances and observation, observation, observation.
Tis what I do.
My first time on a dual carriage I was keeping up with speed, just felt I had to know what was round me, make sure you leave plenty of space to the vehicle in front, as my presumption is you'd be in the left lane. Just don't do anything silly and stick what you feel comfortable with.
As with the 125 I've rode, I just hog my lane and sit plonk in the middle where I feel comfortable.
Tis what I do.
My first time on a dual carriage I was keeping up with speed, just felt I had to know what was round me, make sure you leave plenty of space to the vehicle in front, as my presumption is you'd be in the left lane. Just don't do anything silly and stick what you feel comfortable with.
As with the 125 I've rode, I just hog my lane and sit plonk in the middle where I feel comfortable.
Seen thta happen where people stay to one side or the other and people are overtaking really tightly, especially on single carrageways with mopeds
Thanks for the advice. I must admit i am a little nervous, but it must be done at some point. I'll just try to relax as much as possible and try not to let the wind get me.
keep an escape route in mind at all times, especially if the traffic backs up and gets heavy.
What would you class as an escape plan.
fizzwheel
27-02-09, 08:49 PM
What would you class as an escape plan.
Say if I am coming up to overtake a car. I think "if he pulls out on me where could I go" i.e. where is there a gap in the traffic I can dip into to take evasive action , if I have to brake hard, whats behind me. Whats to me left, whats to my right...
Basically I'm looking around for developing situations, or trying to pre-empt what might happen, having looked for those situations, I'm then looking to think how I might react to one if it develops and what available course of actions I've got to me.
I guess I'm being pro-active rather than re-active....
Oh right thanks, it makes sense.
It's amazing how much stuff you actually have to think about whilst riding a bike, i actually quite enjoy the level of concentration though.
Jesus, it's not hard.
Sit in the middle of your lane - it's a dual carriageway so if you're crawling along, anyone who wants to go faster has ample opportunity to overtake. You're on a CG so odds are you're not going to be overtaking anyone else.
Just gas it. Hard. And Take no prisoners.
Dual Carrageway tips.
6th gear
On a CG125?
Jesus, it's not hard.
You're too harsh. Remember that Magnum is 17 and that it will be his first time on a DC on a bike.
Kilted Ginger
28-02-09, 12:45 AM
Magnum, noone local with a bit experience that could go with you.
You're too harsh. Remember that Magnum is 17 and that it will be his first time on a DC on a bike.
I first took a bike on a dual carriageway the day after my 17th birthday. It was the A21 near Tunbridge Wells and if I could bottle the excitement I'd sell it and make a fortune. I didn't ask for advice, I just got on the bike and did it.
He/she/whatever shouldn't be worrying about it, he/she/it should be getting out there and doing it and remembering that he/she/it is 17, invincible and too young to be worrying about this kind of thing!
jamesterror
28-02-09, 01:42 AM
I first took a bike on a dual carriageway the day after my 17th birthday. It was the A21 near Tunbridge Wells and if I could bottle the excitement I'd sell it and make a fortune. I didn't ask for advice, I just got on the bike and did it.
He/she/whatever shouldn't be worrying about it, he/she/it should be getting out there and doing it and remembering that he/she/it is 17, invincible and too young to be worrying about this kind of thing!
That was my attitude first time on a 125 bike, open it up and see how fast can I go.
I wouldn't worry about it, I'm 17, first time I went on a bike as a pillion my friend broke the tonne barrier with me on the back of it, was scared but loved the thrill, hence why I decided to do my CBT and Restricted Access!
Bit different, but first time on a dual carriage way I did 70 but it was at night.
The more you think about it, the more you'll get over hesitant and over worked about it, just do it like ogden said. If at any point you feel unconfident just back off the power.
Observation is very important. Quite often you can see a lot further on dual carriageways so you need to be looking in the far distance as well as the middle, near & rear observation.
The biggest dangers on dual carriageways are junctions. There is not necessarily going to be a slip road for a junction so you can have someone in the left lane suddenly slow right down (5-10mph) to turn left into a road & you will quite rapidly catch someone up when they've slowed that much & you're doing 70.
But even more dangerous than that is when you have people in the opposite (oncoming) direction turning right into a junction across your lanes via a turning gap in the central reservation & can misjudge your speed & cut across your path.
Jesus, it's not hard.
Sit in the middle of your lane - it's a dual carriageway so if you're crawling along, anyone who wants to go faster has ample opportunity to overtake. You're on a CG so odds are you're not going to be overtaking anyone else.
Just gas it. Hard. And Take no prisoners.
I think thats a bit harsh. I'm confident enough about riding a DC, i just wanted some extra tips to make myself extra safe. I think taking precautions and minimising the risks is the way to go, i dont want to take any chances.
Kilted Ginger
28-02-09, 08:11 AM
That's the right attitude, treat the forum like a pub, you'll always get one or two opinions that you just ignore,
Red Herring
28-02-09, 09:47 AM
It's all very well everybody telling you to stick to the centre of your lane because that will stop overtaking drivers trying to squeeze past, but that in itself has it's risks. The centre of the lane is the bit car wheels generally don't run on, so it attracts all the rubbish, some of which you might not see, nails and such like. At this time of year it is also the last bit to clear of all the salt dust so not only are you going to get it all over your bike but if you do have to brake suddenly you are on bit of road with the least grip. Generally you are better off riding in the offside wheel tracks and keeping a good eye on your mirrors to look for overtaking traffic. If you are doing 65/70 mph and there is a steady stream of traffic passing it won't be coming up that fast, and if someone is a bit close you can then move nearside a little to give them that extra bit of room, but not so much as to make it appear as an invitation. If the road is quiet and the offside lane running clear then there is the possibility of something coming up really quickly in which case you are probably better off in the nearside wheel tracks.
Using the offside position also gives you an advantage as you catch other traffic as it gives you are better view past it (also true of the nearside position, but not if you are in the centre of lane), and if the vehicle is a van or lorry (most likely if you are on a 125) then the driver will be able to see you in their side mirrors.
If you do decide to ride in the middle of the lane don't get to close behind anything, they might not be able to see you in their mirrors, if they do run over any debris the first you will know about it is when it pops out right in front of you, and if they do brake suddenly you will be left with a big swerve to miss them. As a general rule look beyond whatever is in front of you. You want to react to something ahead before they do, it will also help with your planning of overtakes if you can see how everybody else is dealing with whatever is going slowly.
Finally if the traffic does come to a halt do not under any circumstances stop directly behind anything. If you are not confident to filter then stop tight to the nearside kerb or line yourself up on the dotted line between two other vehicles. That way if something behind you doesn't stop you won't be the meat in the subsequent sandwich.
Good luck.
I first took a bike on a dual carriageway the day after my 17th birthday. It was the A21 near Tunbridge Wells and if I could bottle the excitement I'd sell it and make a fortune. I didn't ask for advice, I just got on the bike and did it.
He/she/whatever shouldn't be worrying about it, he/she/it should be getting out there and doing it and remembering that he/she/it is 17, invincible and too young to be worrying about this kind of thing!
A mate of mine used to take his 50cc moped on the motorway when he was 16, it was the quickest way to his house.
fizzwheel
01-03-09, 09:44 AM
Generally you are better off riding in the offside wheel tracks
I must admit thats pretty much where I position myself on the motorway or dual carrigeway.
dont forget to put your head on the tank ,tuck your feet over the rear indicators and pin it.
And if you wobble off dont blame me
I've just got back from my little trip.
That was the worst ride i have ever been on, and i was nearly as scared as i was on my CBT.
It is not because it was a fast road, or the fact i've never been on it before - i was completely conifdent in keeping my speed up, using the correct observations and i was compltely aware of what was going on around me.
So whats the problem? The problem was the bike.
It was not getting nearly enough speed, and i think there must be somethinig wrong with it. I was in top gear at nearly 50 and it just didnt accelerate further. I only just managed to tickle 55-57mph down a flipping hill (this was on the A12).
I was more than happy to turn off at the sliproad for the A414 (my planned route that i was familiar with). This is also a 60mph road, but it's a single carriageway. I was doing about 50mph (barely!) for most of this road with the bike slightly, but suddenly jerking every second - the same way it was on the A12.
The worst part of the journey was on a part of the A414, on a relatively flat straight and the bike started to die on me, slowing down all the way to 45mph while i was still on full throttle. Throughout the trip i must add, that i was not throttling it, i did try to let it catch up and increase the revs gradually but it just wasnt getting the desired speed. While the bike was going 45, i was looking for a place to stop to see what was wrong and ring someone who knows anything about bikes, but there wasnt a safe place to (anoyone that knows this road, knows the road is next to a curb most of the way).
Fifth gear seemed dead, and i was most worried because i had no reserve power left even though i didnt reach the speed limit, and i thought the bike was about to cut out any minute.
None of these problems are my fault. I was riding it correctly, i was not doing something that was out of my comfort zone and i was confident for the journey ahead.
Right now im going to pop to the training centre where i bought the bike from and ask them what the **** is wrong with my bike.
Alpinestarhero
01-03-09, 03:20 PM
Hmm, sounds like some fueling problems there. The CG is carbureted right? I shouldnt think it would be suffering from carb icing, but lets not rule that out; maybe you should try some treatment like silkolene pro FST, although if the carbs are as simple as those on an old old old XL125, then you should be able to get the cab apart easily enough to clean out the jets.
May also need to clean out the air filter, and check the fuel lines arnt pinching.
Hmm, sounds like some fueling problems there. The CG is carbureted right? I shouldnt think it would be suffering from carb icing, but lets not rule that out; maybe you should try some treatment like silkolene pro FST, although if the carbs are as simple as those on an old old old XL125, then you should be able to get the cab apart easily enough to clean out the jets.
May also need to clean out the air filter, and check the fuel lines arnt pinching.
Is carb icing what is says on the tin? (affected by very cold weather?) because it hasn't been all that cold, and i always let the bike warm up for about 10 mins.
I dont really want to mess around with it because i have no idea what im doing. Im ringing a mechanic from the place i got it from tomorrow, i hope it can be sorted ok.
fizzwheel
01-03-09, 04:10 PM
I really doubt its carb icing, you'll only get it when its cold and damp. So I reckon you can safely rule that out, if the weather where you are is like the weather where I am i.e sunny and about 10 degree's...
You've probably got a fueling issue, I think you're right, if you dont have a clue get somebody to check it over for you... CG's are very simple though so its a good a place as any to start with home spannering....
I really doubt its carb icing, you'll only get it when its cold and damp. So I reckon you can safely rule that out, if the weather where you are is like the weather where I am i.e sunny and about 10 degree's...
There can be plenty of moisture in the air at any time and, while the ambient temperature may be 10 degrees, the temperature in the carb will be significantly lower due to the venturi effect, so carb icing can manifest at higher temperatures than you might expect. My 7R was a sod for it.
Is carb icing what is says on the tin? (affected by very cold weather?) because it hasn't been all that cold, and i always let the bike warm up for about 10 mins.
AIUI, carb icing is caused by the temperature in the carb being low enough for moisture in the air to condense and freeze on the jet, affecting the flow of fuel. The low temperature is caused by the venturi effect in the carb - as the pressure drops, so does the temperature.
It doesn't have to be a cold day and it doesn't have to be raining, just have sufficiently high relative humidity. It affects warm engines as much as cold ones - I once had it for 300 miles from Bracknell to Bodmin and had the choice of doing 30mph or 130mph but pretty much nothing inbetween. Rubbish.
BBadger
01-03-09, 06:21 PM
You're too harsh. Remember that Magnum is 17 and that it will be his first time on a DC on a bike.
Doesnt mean anything. Although being pillion since i could fit probably helped with the whole idea.
But even at 16 i went on small sections of DC (50mph top speed was enough ) now 17...sv650.... im flying past things rather than the other way round.
Just remember, stay in the middle of your lane and drive defensively/safely speed isnt everything.
Doesnt mean anything. Although being pillion since i could fit probably helped with the whole idea.
But even at 16 i went on small sections of DC (50mph top speed was enough ) now 17...sv650.... im flying past things rather than the other way round.
Just remember, stay in the middle of your lane and drive defensively/safely speed isnt everything.
Maybe not everyone has your level of confidence.
AIUI, carb icing is caused by the temperature in the carb being low enough for moisture in the air to condense and freeze on the jet, affecting the flow of fuel. The low temperature is caused by the venturi effect in the carb - as the pressure drops, so does the temperature.
It doesn't have to be a cold day and it doesn't have to be raining, just have sufficiently high relative humidity. It affects warm engines as much as cold ones - I once had it for 300 miles from Bracknell to Bodmin and had the choice of doing 30mph or 130mph but pretty much nothing inbetween. Rubbish.
This could have been the problem then.
One of the main 'symptoms' i had was the bike jerking and also top gear was very dead. For some reason i was able to go faster in fourth! Is this an affect of carb icing?
This could have been the problem then.
One of the main 'symptoms' i had was the bike jerking and also top gear was very dead. For some reason i was able to go faster in fourth! Is this an affect of carb icing?
My experience has been that it causes severe stuttering - to the point of misfire - and I've generally been able to trickle along on the idle jet or nail it hard, but can't run on part throttle. Depends which jets are iced up really. I only really had it on a ZX7R so I had four carbs to play with, you've only got one so you could suffer more.
One thing to remember is you're riding a CG125, not an RS125. 55mph is about as fast as it's going to go on the flat. Top gear's always going to be pretty dead. That's what two-strokes are for :)
My experience has been that it causes severe stuttering - to the point of misfire - and I've generally been able to trickle along on the idle jet or nail it hard, but can't run on part throttle. Depends which jets are iced up really. I only really had it on a ZX7R so I had four carbs to play with, you've only got one so you could suffer more.
One thing to remember is you're riding a CG125, not an RS125. 55mph is about as fast as it's going to go on the flat. Top gear's always going to be pretty dead. That's what two-strokes are for :)
Thanks. How can i stop t from icing? I don't fancy this problem every time i want to have a bit of speed.
I cant wait to have the SV now, just to have the extra power. I didnt like the fact i had nothing in reserve.
fizzwheel
01-03-09, 08:40 PM
Thanks. How can i stop t from icing? I don't fancy this problem every time i want to have a bit of speed.
Use a premium fuel such as Shell Optimax or use a fuel additive such as Silkolene Pro FST.
I cant wait to have the SV now, just to have the extra power. I didnt like the fact i had nothing in reserve.
Thats 125's for you, its one of the reasons I didnt take my 125 on fast main roads or dual carrigeways, I never felt safe as I couldnt keep up with the traffic flow.
I used to find the wind really effected my 125 as well. It used to not like a strong headwind it was really noticeable in terms of reduced top end speed.
I cant wait to have the SV now, just to have the extra power. I didnt like the fact i had nothing in reserve.
That's restricted 125s for you. First thing I did to my TZR125 back in the day was turn the valve, which took it from 12bhp to 23bhp and boosted the top speed from around 70 to roughly a ton.
You should see a similar improvement from the CG (11bhp/96kg = 114bhp/tonne) to the SV (33bhp/165kg = 200bhp/tonne, the same as my old TZR!)
How long are you stuck on a 125?
That's restricted 125s for you. First thing I did to my TZR125 back in the day was turn the valve, which took it from 12bhp to 23bhp and boosted the top speed from around 70 to roughly a ton.
You should see a similar improvement from the CG (11bhp/96kg = 114bhp/tonne) to the SV (33bhp/165kg = 200bhp/tonne, the same as my old TZR!)
How long are you stuck on a 125?
I thought the cg wasnt restricted, and the 11bhp was just its maximum. Im on the 125 for a couple of months. By the summer i WILL have a nice pointy sv.
Use a premium fuel such as Shell Optimax or use a fuel additive such as Silkolene Pro FST.
Ill see what the mechanic says tomorrow, and most probably take a trip to HG this week since i want to pick up some new gear anyway.
I thought the cg wasnt restricted, and the 11bhp was just its maximum. Im on the 125 for a couple of months. By the summer i WILL have a nice pointy sv.
A CG is restricted by its very nature. A two-stroke 125 would need to be artificially restricted to meet the 12bhp-ish limit. In the good old days it was a 10 minute job to remove the restriction. Woohoo.
yorkie_chris
01-03-09, 10:22 PM
Yup. Stuff like the cagiva planet I have in the garage is the same ... just whip a washer out of the exhaust.
I heard of one 125 where it was the simple matter of putting a fuse in the fusebox for the powervalve servo.
Unfortunately the CG isn't restricted, it's just slow.
I'll just have to put up with it for now then. Dont get me wrong though, i do like it, its a great little bike and anything up to 45/50 is fun. I dont like leaning it into bends too much because of those skinny push bike tyres though!
I get my 80+mpg from it, so its good on my walet.
Wallet schmallet. My 250 does 27mpg on a good day and drinks a litre of oil every 300 miles or so. Now that's what I call music.
Wallet schmallet. My 250 does 27mpg on a good day and drinks a litre of oil every 300 miles or so. Now that's what I call music.
I wouldnt be complaining on my sv if i get a good ride from it. But if my slugglish little cg was eating away at anything less than 70mpg i wouldnt be very happy!
I was pretty happy the other day when i found a tenner on the floor in college, it paid for a tank of fuel which gets me just under 300 miles. Now thats what i call profit. :batman:
I've got back from the place i got it from. Turns out the choke was on slightly, and the fuel was set to reserve?! I havn't touched either. He told me to make sure the choke is down in the morning.
I took it for a mini test ride on a faster road and although it didnt hit 60, it was so much more smooth. Even slower speeds were smooth, and at one point i looked down and i was doing 50 in lets say, a not 50 road.
I dont think ill be able to comfortably get 60 from the bike at any time, so i think ill stay off the DC's till i get a faster bike.
so i think ill stay off the DC's till i get a faster bike.
Wise words. It amazes me that the government appears to consider that such underpowered machines are acceptable, for anyone. There is no point in putting yourself in danger.
SoulKiss
03-03-09, 11:14 AM
I've got back from the place i got it from. Turns out the choke was on slightly, and the fuel was set to reserve?! I havn't touched either. He told me to make sure the choke is down in the morning.
I took it for a mini test ride on a faster road and although it didnt hit 60, it was so much more smooth. Even slower speeds were smooth, and at one point i looked down and i was doing 50 in lets say, a not 50 road.
I dont think ill be able to comfortably get 60 from the bike at any time, so i think ill stay off the DC's till i get a faster bike.
On my DAS we did a fair bit of Dual Carriage way stuff - mainly because the Instructor wanted us to learn in the area around the test center and that was some distance away.
It actually did teach something.
So I wouldn't rule out DC's totally, if you can get someone you know with a bigger bike to go out with you then that would be ideal.
On my DAS we did a fair bit of Dual Carriage way stuff - mainly because the Instructor wanted us to learn in the area around the test center and that was some distance away.
It actually did teach something.
So I wouldn't rule out DC's totally, if you can get someone you know with a bigger bike to go out with you then that would be ideal.
+1 its never as bad as you think, im my opinion i think you are overthinking the situation, why dont you have a ride down one late at night or early in the morning when they are less busy.
+1 its never as bad as you think, im my opinion i think you are overthinking the situation, why dont you have a ride down one late at night or early in the morning when they are less busy.
It's not how busy it is that worries me. It's the fact the bike wont go over 50mph. I max out at just over 50, 55 if im lucky. This leaves nothing in reserve.
Someone coming up the sliproad next to me was going the same speed as i was, and i couldnt speed up to give him space behind me so he had to slow down and wait for a gap.
Its just the lack of speed that im concerned with. If the bike would actually hit 65mph then id be more than happy to try it again.
SoulKiss
03-03-09, 11:33 AM
It's not how busy it is that worries me. It's the fact the bike wont go over 50mph. I max out at just over 50, 55 if im lucky. This leaves nothing in reserve.
Someone coming up the sliproad next to me was going the same speed as i was, and i couldnt speed up to give him space behind me so he had to slow down and wait for a gap.
Its just the lack of speed that im concerned with. If the bike would actually hit 65mph then id be more than happy to try it again.
How is that YOUR problem.
Its not the other guys right to be able to do the maximum allowed speed, just to do the speed that he can safely do.
If you were dawdling at 30 then yes there would be a case to answer.
Remember that many vans are limited mechanically to 57mph these days - you are not going much slower than that, and they can use the DCs.
Its all about confidence and road presence, which unfortuately you dont have much yet - understandably so I will add - but I switched from my SV to my CG for a week only 2 weeks after passing my test and I could tell the difference in the amount of road presence the CG has (it doesn't have any) - oh and that route involved Central London DC's :)
jamesterror
03-03-09, 11:54 AM
I had to do 30 down a dual carriage way yesterday as that is the speed limit, and everybody else is tearing down at 50+, even the 2 instructors who I was with said its not safe to do 30 down there when other road users are tearing down there.
On my lessons I ride an EN125, I've got 70 out of that (according to speedo) down a hill on the A5, does 60 but screaming its tits off, I thought the CG was similar to that?
Plus, most roads round where I live which were national speed limit have been reduced to 40 / 50 so..
It's not how busy it is that worries me. It's the fact the bike wont go over 50mph. I max out at just over 50, 55 if im lucky. This leaves nothing in reserve.
Someone coming up the sliproad next to me was going the same speed as i was, and i couldnt speed up to give him space behind me so he had to slow down and wait for a gap.
Its just the lack of speed that im concerned with. If the bike would actually hit 65mph then id be more than happy to try it again.
i used to ride a ped down the DC all the time mate, my first ped only did 35, your overthinking, just go with it and you will be fine.
All the times I had a little 125 bike on a DC I was concerned, I actually went a different way to avoid those roads as possible (used on my bike course and also hired one for a weekend)
It was so slow and had no guts whatsoever, I felt like a target, you couldn't speed up to get out the way and I always felt conscious of other cars coming up behind me. No problem on the SV, just the little bike
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