View Full Version : are cyclists allowed to cycle the wrong way down a one way street?
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 08:20 PM
Just had a scrap with a cyclist who ran into me outside russell square tube station. I was coming out of tesco's on the other side of the road to the station entrance, with my melon medley and 2 litres of water, looked up the road towards the square... nothing coming... step out & massive bang. My right calf is hurting but I'm still on my feet. There's a cyclist lying in the middle of the road next to his bike with no lights on.
Then he shouts "Why don't you look where you're going you pr**k?"
I lost my temper and stamped on his front wheel a few times, whilst explaining that it's a one way street and that he is a nob. He said he was going to call the police over "criminal damage" so I told him to go away (in other words) and walked off back to my hotel.
Are cyclists allowed to freestyle it or am I in the right?
Tim in Belgium
04-03-09, 08:23 PM
No idea in the UK, but most one way streets out here in Clogland have an exception for bicycles, although it does state it just under the no entry sign.
JohnMcL7
04-03-09, 08:24 PM
As far as I can tell they aren't allowed as news articles from last year mention allowing cyclists to do so in areas of London.
John
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 08:26 PM
thanks for the replies guys... it helps alot :) is it possible to dislocate a muscle? Namely the right calf muscle?
Mr Speirs
04-03-09, 08:27 PM
Either way he rode into you. I think stamping on his wheel is okay :)
Especially as he called you a *****.
Nostrils
04-03-09, 08:28 PM
I have heard before something about this, perhaps only in London. The idea being that cyclists (yes they are the ones that dont have 3rd party insurance) could use the 1 ways streets to make their journey more efficient! As I said it was muted as an idea and dont know if it was passed!
Anyway, well done in your use of self defence at the least the cyclist has the knowledge that he still has a face, but might not have a front wheel!
Mighty Boosh
04-03-09, 08:29 PM
are cyclists allowed to cycle the wrong way down a one way street?
Defo a no no.
Much the same as stamping on thier wheel is.
Sorry.:D
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 08:39 PM
are cyclists allowed to cycle the wrong way down a one way street?
Defo a no no.
Much the same as stamping on thier wheel is.
Sorry.:D
fair play, a buckled wheel is probably the wrong thing to do but I think he'll have much preferred it to a boot in the face. That would have been harsh. A crumpled wheel is technically a public service because now he can't ride into anyone else :)
fizzwheel
04-03-09, 08:44 PM
I'm reasonably confident its not legal, either way its a f*cking stupid thing to do. As is riding with no lights on.
Fricken retard its tw*ts like that, that give the rest of us cyclists a bad name.
Soulkiss
Your thread has arrived!
:lol:
One way applies to cycles aswell.
Being a cyclist myself, i think this tit deserved it!
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 09:02 PM
was a buckled front wheel well in order or should I have resorted to violence? Feeling quite giddy about the whole thing now but my right calf is feeling uber bruised :(
Nah i think the wheel was enough, you dont know what he could of done or was carrying.
fizzwheel
04-03-09, 09:06 PM
was a buckled front wheel well in order or should I have resorted to violence? Feeling quite giddy about the whole thing now but my right calf is feeling uber bruised :(
Personally no I think the buckled wheel was going to far, but its easy for me to say that as I wasnt the one thats just been ridden into...
I've often found that some people you just cant reason with and anybody that rides the wrong way down a one way street in the dark with no lights on falls into that category...
was a buckled front wheel well in order or should I have resorted to violence? Feeling quite giddy about the whole thing now but my right calf is feeling uber bruised :(
He was on the floor & you were still standing, I'm guessing he's feeling some pain as well as financial plus the long walk home
Jobs a goodun :D
I think the buckled wheel was going to farpossibly +1, but I thought Paul was considering if he should have done more
Dave20046
04-03-09, 09:40 PM
well done paul
That'll do...
Dave20046
04-03-09, 09:43 PM
Nah i think the wheel was enough, you dont know what he could of done or was carrying.
lol nah cyclists aren't the sort. Worst you'll get is a mean lashing with a hand pump, a thoroughly shook fist, a squirt with a water bottle or if they are feeling particularly hacked off somesort of insult as they cycle off swiftly.
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 09:56 PM
He was on the floor & you were still standing, I'm guessing he's feeling some pain as well as financial plus the long walk home
Jobs a goodun :D
possibly +1, but I thought Paul was considering if he should have done more
i'm not talking serious violence lol, maybe waggling a bit of melon in his face or throwing a bottle of water at him? What other fitting punishments can you think of?
Personally I think they should have to have insurance, and should be made to wear a helmet, and should really have to have a license which is subject to points in a similar fashion to a driving license, and can have fines handed out for misbehaving. This way, the government would generate more, other road users would actually be able to claim when a cyclist does something retarded.
Over the winter, a woman in a 4x4 splattered a cyclist on the by-pass near where I live. So the story goes, his daily exercise was to ride home from work a few miles along the by-pass with no lights on, or protective gear. He'd been doing this for years, and had previously been knocked off, yet that wasn't lesson enough. She's being done for it. In my opinion, she should be able to claim for damage to her vehicle and for the stress and trauma it has put her and probably her family through. She may be lucky if she ever gets behind the wheel of a car again.
Should you have done more... Difficult one really. Did you look both ways? Yep, I know, it was a one way street, but, I guarantee you, every day I step outside my house, I encounter someone stupid. I think you probably did enough to make him think twice.
Just think though, if he had insurance and you'd not attacked him, you'd be looking forward to a nice healthy cheque.
Definitely not allowed unless there is a contraflow cycle lane!
Can you actually get insurance as a cycllist?
Or am i being silly again? :(
fizzwheel
04-03-09, 10:20 PM
Can you actually get insurance as a cycllist?
Yes you can.
Your household contents insurance can sometimes be used to cover a third party in some circumstances, also british cycling via the everyday cycling website offer insurance for £24 a year...
peterco
04-03-09, 10:20 PM
Highway code
You MUST obey all traffic signs and traffic light signals.
[Laws RTA 1988 sect 36 & TSRGD reg 10(1)]
As road user they have to obey the law.
But cyclists, not all are a law to them self.The time has come for them to have insurance and compulsory cycling training.
Should sue the pants off him.
pete
fizzwheel
04-03-09, 10:24 PM
have insurance and compulsory cycling training
I've got no problem with the insurance.
But why should I have to shell out for cycle training.
I've had a car driving license since I was 17 and I also hold a motorycle license and have done so for 5 years.
How many times do you see car drivers, bus drivers, lorry drivers, motorcycle drivers doing something stupid and they all have licenses, It doesnt solve anything.
The Police shoudl be out there hitting these tw*ts who dont follow the road laws where it hurts, either confiscate their bikes or fine the feck out of them.
Why should I have to pay because somebody else cant show a bit of common sense...
yorkie_chris
04-03-09, 10:28 PM
If something is already illegal then there's no point in creating more laws about it. A concept which the current regime fail to grasp...
punyXpress
04-03-09, 10:29 PM
Davis Cameron did that - it wasn't him was it?
I'm surprised someone from York fell for that one. Lights, traffic lights, one way streets, signals & common sense are not optional, they're prohibited!
By the way, gws
Mighty Boosh
04-03-09, 10:31 PM
was a buckled front wheel well in order or should I have resorted to violence? Feeling quite giddy about the whole thing now but my right calf is feeling uber bruised :(
you had already resorted to violence when you "jumped on his front wheel"
yorkie_chris
04-03-09, 10:32 PM
No, violence would be jumping on his head.
larigos
04-03-09, 10:33 PM
no laws on it they still have to follow the high way code - if he had no lights he probably didn't have a warning device like a bell either so he is completely in the wrong. Also to call you a nob if a bit harsh. he could of missed you like anticipating what might happen like motorbike riders do all the time.
Insurance for on the road maybe, but insurance for the type of riding I do would be pointless...I've lost count the amount of times I've fallen off going down a piece of single track too fast!
Wouldn't really be a fan of the insurance thing though as that would mean I'm traceable! Too many cagers have no respect for cyclists yet cyclists have as much right to be on the roads as anyone else...(don't start the road tax argument)! Many a times have I seen wingmirrors kicked/punched off by friends of mine when idiot women in their "tanks" get too close!
If you start down the line of insuring cyclists, then what about pedestrians....where I live quite a few roads have no paths for pedestrians so they usually walk in the road...typically wearing black clothing and not facing the traffic of course! Should these be insured as well? Just as much of a hazzard in my eyes.
Mighty Boosh
04-03-09, 10:37 PM
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have insurance and compulsory cycling training
How many times do you see car drivers, bus drivers, lorry drivers, motorcycle drivers doing something stupid and they all have licenses, It doesnt solve anything.
The Police shoudl be out there hitting these tw*ts who dont follow the road laws where it hurts, either confiscate their bikes or fine the feck out of them.
Where i am in Cambridge they have been handing out fixed penalties to those without lights.
But with the penalty notice they have been giving then a nice new set of lights.:confused:
fizzwheel
04-03-09, 10:38 PM
Wouldn't really be a fan of the insurance thing though as that would mean I'm traceable!
I dont have a problem with that, If I'm in the right and get taken out I wasn to know I can do something about it.
Too many cagers have no respect for cyclists yet cyclists have as much right to be on the roads as anyone else.
To right, but its no surprise people have no respect for ordinary law abiding cyclists when you have d*ckeads like the one that rode into the original poster.
.(don't start the road tax argument)!
Its not road tax its vehicle emissions duty. I dont make emissions.. so there I dont pay it ;)
Its not road tax its vehicle emissions duty. I dont make emissions.. so there I dont pay it ;)
Well, when mine is up I walk in the post office and say I'm here to buy road tax and they seem to know what I mean! :takeabow:
Mighty Boosh
04-03-09, 10:45 PM
cyclists have as much right to be on the roads as anyone else..
Cyclists have "MORE" rights than any other vehicle..
Fact.
yorkie_chris
04-03-09, 10:46 PM
Its not road tax its vehicle emissions duty. I dont make emissions.. so there I dont pay it ;)
Must.... avoid .... comment...
#parp# .... lmao
Fail.
Luckypants
04-03-09, 10:47 PM
Must.... avoid .... comment...
#parp# .... lmao
Fail.
:smt046
Good one Y-C
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 10:50 PM
Must.... avoid .... comment...
#parp# .... lmao
Fail.
go and de-rail your own thread YC!
And mighty boosh, welcome to the forums :) good to see so many new users popping up all the time. I think southerners have a different perception of violence to northerners :razz: think that guy might have taken a kicking if he'd pulled that stunt up north (especially the ***** comment). Anywho, he shouldn't have messed with me.... I know the hardest man in bradford. :batman:
gruntygiggles
04-03-09, 10:55 PM
lol nah cyclists aren't the sort. Worst you'll get is a mean lashing with a hand pump, a thoroughly shook fist, a squirt with a water bottle or if they are feeling particularly hacked off somesort of insult as they cycle off swiftly.
My ex cycles everywhere and was army champion boxer with a very short temper. If someone stamped on his wheel he'd beat f*ck out of them. I still don't know what I ever saw in him, but......you can never judge a book by its cover!
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 10:59 PM
My ex cycles everywhere and was army champion boxer with a very short temper. If someone stamped on his wheel he'd beat f*ck out of them. I still don't know what I ever saw in him, but......you can never judge a book by its cover!
Just out of curiousity... what did he do in the army?
Mighty Boosh
04-03-09, 11:05 PM
go and de-rail your own thread YC!
And mighty boosh, welcome to the forums :) good to see so many new users popping up all the time. I think southerners have a different perception of violence to northerners :razz: think that guy might have taken a kicking if he'd pulled that stunt up north (especially the ***** comment). Anywho, he shouldn't have messed with me.... I know the hardest man in bradford. :batman:
Hey, I'm sure your'e a pussy cat under that exterior.:grin:
gruntygiggles
04-03-09, 11:07 PM
Just out of curiousity... what did he do in the army?
Army police for two years but had been boxing before he went in, so carried it on. Were you in the forces too?
oooh, just as a note....if anything like this ever happens again....leave the bike alone. If police were called, better to have been able to take the moral high ground and make the other guy out to be the w**ker than be tarred with that brush yourself.
Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to do the same as you in the same situation, but would get more pleasure in knowing that I could keep my cool and let him take all the s**t if it came down to it.
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 11:13 PM
Army police for two years but had been boxing before he went in, so carried it on. Were you in the forces too?
Nah I was just wondering... A military police officer doesn't strike me as the sort of person who'd ride the wrong way with out lights lol...
oooh, just as a note....if anything like this ever happens again....leave the bike alone. If police were called, better to have been able to take the moral high ground and make the other guy out to be the w**ker than be tarred with that brush yourself.
Don't get me wrong, I would have loved to do the same as you in the same situation, but would get more pleasure in knowing that I could keep my cool and let him take all the s**t if it came down to it.
Doubt it'll happen again to be honest :) I should have thought to look the other way because it's london. I'm usually quite calm and collected and didn't even know what was going on until he called me a *****... anywho, my calf is just a bit bruised so I'm on the mend. As for his bike, I'm sure it'll polish out :cheers:
gruntygiggles
04-03-09, 11:17 PM
Nah I was just wondering... A military police officer doesn't strike me as the sort of person who'd ride the wrong way with out lights lol...
True....but just a club boxer might.....that's more what I was getting at.
Doubt it'll happen again to be honest :) I should have thought to look the other way because it's london. I'm usually quite calm and collected and didn't even know what was going on until he called me a *****... anywho, my calf is just a bit bruised so I'm on the mend. As for his bike, I'm sure it'll polish out :cheers:
I saw your other question and his wheel could have torn the muscle, so that would be super sore.....hope it does feel better soon.
Also.....who cares about his bike......I might want to take the moral high ground, but it doesn't mean I don't think he deserved a bit of a stomping on his wheel!
appollo1
04-03-09, 11:23 PM
Now did you actually stomp on his wheel or stand on it as you lost your balance when you got knocked into!!!!!!;)
I live near St Andrews which is a student place with lots of foreign students who regularly cycle the wrong way up one way streets. It really annoys me especially when the roads are so narrow and they would be the first to complain if something happened.
I am a regular cyclist, motorcyclist, car, van and lorry driver but not all at the same time obviously!!!
Mighty Boosh
04-03-09, 11:24 PM
Hey paul,
Did you not use the zebra crossing which leads from tesco to the entrance of Russell Square tube???:confused:
punyXpress
04-03-09, 11:25 PM
Next time do it on a Friday & get the might of Soho Massive around you.
Paul the 6th
04-03-09, 11:29 PM
Hey paul,
Did you not use the zebra crossing which leads from tesco to the entrance of Russell Square tube???:confused:
I usually always use that cos the traffic is busy down there, but a group of about 20 tourists had gathered right outside the tesco front door and I couldn't be arsed wading through them and I was heading back towards the square anyway)... So getting run over by a push bike seemed like the easier option :)
Mighty Boosh
05-03-09, 12:11 AM
I usually always use that cos the traffic is busy down there, but a group of about 20 tourists had gathered right outside the tesco front door and I couldn't be arsed wading through them and I was heading back towards the square anyway)... So getting run over by a push bike seemed like the easier option :)
Yep mad, mad busy round central London.lorrys, buses, cars, motorbikes, pushbikes, pedestrians, tourists.
Used to work on the street cleaning for the local authority, one guy took out an electrick pavement sweeper/cleaner.
He ran over a blind person whilst using it.
When asked what had happend and why ne had run over a blind pedestrian, he replied.......
He should of heard it coming.:smt040
SoulKiss
05-03-09, 12:55 AM
was a buckled front wheel well in order or should I have resorted to violence? Feeling quite giddy about the whole thing now but my right calf is feeling uber bruised :(
Should have waited till he got up then decked him again - then called the police while standing on his throat.
"He ran in to me officer, then as he was getting up, he got abusive and started towards me. In fear for my life, I lashed out, knocking him to the floor, where I then restrained him until you arrived. Oh and by the way he turned illegally into this street from that street. Can you also please provide me with his name and address so that I can pursue him through the courts with a personal injusry claim. Thank you officer."
Simple really :)
SoulKiss
05-03-09, 12:58 AM
My ex cycles everywhere and was army champion boxer with a very short temper. If someone stamped on his wheel he'd beat f*ck out of them. I still don't know what I ever saw in him, but......you can never judge a book by its cover!
Great I'd have him on assult charges and GBH too - and an even bigger criminal injury claim.
jamesterror
05-03-09, 01:25 AM
I cycle to college, and work, everywhere practically. (as i haven't passed yet, then I become a fuel drinker).
My rule is, if theres ground I'll go across it, whether its up a one way street the wrong way or not, however I'll either go slow or if there is people / lots of vehicles I'll most likely walk my bike up there as I know if I was being charged at with a push bike I'd be certainly ****ed off.
A woman argued with me that I should use a cycle lane put by the council on the road, I said I don't contribute any road tax or anything to society other than my leech off the state for my education. The road is one of the busiest through my towns, I said with being knocked off twice on behalf of drivers not giving a **** when they come out junctions would mean I put my life further at risk than quickly cut across some grass to avoid a pedestrian.
timwilky
05-03-09, 08:11 AM
When the idiot ran into me on the pavement a couple of weeks back, He was most abusive about what could have happened if he had fallen into the road. I saw him riding on the pavement yesterday. Strange how he rode onto the road whilst he passed me.
Hurled abuse and got back on the pavement after he had passed. Still no lights.
What is it that gives a certain section of the public carte blance to ignore the law. In doing so they create a danger to themselves and others. Yet seem to think the have a divine right to do as they please and nothing is ever their fault.
Many years ago I was stopped as a 17 year old riding a pushbike home one very wet night. I had my head down, peddling as fast as I could. The cop car overtook me, slammed his brakes on and I saw him too late and had to overtake him whilst braking.
He had a cadet (remember them) with him. He decided that my bike was defective and asked if it was my bike. I told the truth and said no it was my brothers.
I thought nothing of it, at dinner the following evening there was a knock at the door and there stood a copper asking for my brother. He was arrested for aiding and abetting my alleged crime by lending me the bike and we both ended up before the beak.
Despite my protests that the copper had driven dangerously and I had done well to avoid a collision whilst braking under heavy rain I was convicted. Fined £10 and as a result my brother was also guilty and fined £5. All to give the police cadet court experience at giving perjured evidence.
So if plod could enforce minor cycling offences back in 1978, why not now?
SoulKiss
05-03-09, 08:15 AM
The answer given to me by a plod
"Its not a priority"
Real answer - Cant catch them using cameras, so its too much work.
the_lone_wolf
05-03-09, 08:25 AM
Its not road tax its vehicle emissions duty. I dont make emissions.. so there I dont pay it ;)
I can't believe nobody (Soulkiss;)) has picked you up on this...
VED stands for Vehicle Excise Duty, it's not a tax of emissions, although it's loosely banded by vehicle emissions in private cars
<sarcasm>
it's a tax levied to "help" maintain the roads
</sarcasm>
:rolleyes::mrgreen:
metalangel
05-03-09, 08:27 AM
No wonder it keeps going up, the roads around here need a lot of 'help'.
Was this muppet on the pavement? If so then he was breaking the law even more! If not, it really is down to the pedestrian to check BOTH ways in a one way street. As my Motorbike teacher used to say..>Always expect the unexpected! I would hvae called the police, however, by the time they had got there, the bloke probably would have upped and left.
Dave20046
05-03-09, 08:42 AM
go and de-rail your own thread YC!
And mighty boosh, welcome to the forums :) good to see so many new users popping up all the time. I think southerners have a different perception of violence to northerners :razz: think that guy might have taken a kicking if he'd pulled that stunt up north (especially the ***** comment). Anywho, he shouldn't have messed with me.... I know the hardest man in bradford. :batman:
We had a cyclist that used the quiet road behind our work daily, there was a few weeks where there were builders digging up the road and every morning he's sail past sneering "your bloody vans are in the way" "your causing and obstruction, what what toodlepip " etc. went on for a few days until we heard sirens outside and saw the cyclist sparko on the floor. One of the builders had lost it dragged him off the bike and kicked **** out of him. lol
Dave20046
05-03-09, 08:45 AM
Was this muppet on the pavement? If so then he was breaking the law even more! If not, it really is down to the pedestrian to check BOTH ways in a one way street. As my Motorbike teacher used to say..>Always expect the unexpected! I would hvae called the police, however, by the time they had got there, the bloke probably would have upped and left.
Time for a citizens arrest.
SoulKiss
05-03-09, 09:02 AM
Time for a citizens arrest.
Thats what its called ! Thanks :)
Its kind of what I meant when I said restrain him with a foot on his throat until the police get there :)http://slashdot.org/
gruntygiggles
05-03-09, 04:26 PM
Great I'd have him on assult charges and GBH too - and an even bigger criminal injury claim.
That's what I kept telling him....oh well.....all in the past now thank god!
lol nah cyclists aren't the sort. Worst you'll get is a mean lashing with a hand pump, a thoroughly shook fist, a squirt with a water bottle or if they are feeling particularly hacked off somesort of insult as they cycle off swiftly.
Who's to say he wasn't the chav type.
wyrdness
05-03-09, 05:21 PM
To right, but its no surprise people have no respect for ordinary law abiding cyclists when you have d*ckeads like the one that rode into the original poster.
I have complete respect for cyclists, except when the prove themselves to be idiots - like the one who recently nearly went into me whilst jumping a red light on Tottenham Court Road.
Its not road tax its vehicle emissions duty. I dont make emissions.. so there I dont pay it ;)
So you never fart whilst riding your bike? ;)
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