View Full Version : What the heck is going on!
Bluepete
05-03-09, 04:55 PM
Mans sues Hospital for saving his lafe after attempting to commit suicide (http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1100705_man_wins_90000_after_suicide_bid_)
Then he complains;
"There are not many people who come out of hospital worse than when they went in."
"I cannot even cuddle my wife with my right hand now. I'm still able to drive but I have a job putting the keys in the ignition. I can't dry glasses or cook dinners. I used to love gardening but I don't do that now."
You came out alive mate! Is your wife a ghost? Did you intent cuddling her from beyond the grave? And do I really want a suicidal man with a withered arm driving a car in the city I ride my bike in?
Honestly!
And yes, I realise the staff gave him too much medicine, but........... gah! I dispair!
And breathe.....
missyburd
06-03-09, 12:01 PM
WTF? What an ungrateful eejit. Bet his wife is happy he's still with her, I think a useless arm would be the least of her worries!
I cannot even cuddle my wife with my right hand now.That's just for the sympathy vote, you can still give someone a hug with one arm, what a load of tosh. I certainly have no sympathy for him, harsh perhaps but life is not something you should just throw away on a whim, let alone stab the people in the back who were just doing their job...admittedly not terribly well if they gave him too large a dose....
I'm thinking his wife wasn't in on the suicide attempt, otherwise he wouldn't have been rushed to a&e and just left to die peacefully with her by his side. I suppose things are not that simple these days, she'd probably be had up for murder then :rolleyes: Obviously having not been given all the information, I;m just assuming, but seems a bit of an odd state of affairs!
timwilky
06-03-09, 12:14 PM
Mate who is a paramedic often complains about the pill takers.
Why have you called us out?
because I have taken an overdose
Why did you do that?
because I want to die
So tell me again why did you call us out?
Because I have taken a bloody overdose. are you thick or something.
I have had one friend top himself, he was a doctor and took 10 times the lethal dose to make sure. on top of a bottle of vodka
The daughter who works at the local A&E tells me they get playing a suicide in weekly. If they want to do it, they can make sure they cannot be saved. This one suing because he survived beggars belief.
missyburd
06-03-09, 12:26 PM
If they want to do it, they can make sure they cannot be saved. This one suing because he survived beggars belief.
Exactly, perhaps he just bottled it. Like the NHS can £90,000 to give away away anyway! And even if they can, how many operations that people who want to live may need, it makes you think. Selfish selfish man.
I have had one friend top himself, he was a doctor and took 10 times the lethal dose to make sure. on top of a bottle of vodka
Water is more effective.
Have a friend who tried to do the same, and the fact he downed vodka and not water actually saved his life.
Thankfully his life is good now and he's ok :)
Biker Biggles
06-03-09, 01:48 PM
Totally alien concept in law,but its clearly about time we rediscovered the difference between those who deserve compensation and those who dont.
It seems odd that you can sue someone else for negligence when that negligence was entirely dependant(but not caused) on your own stupidity in the first place.
A similar one would be the case of the jumper who failed to get killed by the tube train but tries to sue for subsequent burns when rail staff are too slow to get the power turned off.
Its a mad old world.
If this wasn't an attempted suicide case then nobody would pass comment and nobody would be bothered about the compo.
I would remind you, dear reader, that the health service is not there to judge the patient on the cause of admission. Would you tolerate a biker having poor treatment because they undertake a "dangerous" pastime?
Without trying to be emotive; man in hospital has incompetent treatment = compo.
Speedy Claire
06-03-09, 05:53 PM
If this wasn't an attempted suicide case then nobody would pass comment and nobody would be bothered about the compo.
I would remind you, dear reader, that the health service is not there to judge the patient on the cause of admission. Would you tolerate a biker having poor treatment because they undertake a "dangerous" pastime?
Without trying to be emotive; man in hospital has incompetent treatment = compo.
I agree with what you`re saying tho it`s the irony of the thing!!
Milky Bar Kid
06-03-09, 06:24 PM
Instead of him getting £90,000 compo, he should have been made to pay for the cost of the time and treatment he was given by Ambulance staff and A+E Staff and no doubt what ever ward he was later put in.
Flamin_Squirrel
06-03-09, 06:56 PM
If this wasn't an attempted suicide case then nobody would pass comment and nobody would be bothered about the compo.
I would remind you, dear reader, that the health service is not there to judge the patient on the cause of admission. Would you tolerate a biker having poor treatment because they undertake a "dangerous" pastime?
Without trying to be emotive; man in hospital has incompetent treatment = compo.
Sure, I agree. I don't think we're disputing whether the NHS should have to pay out if it screws up.
This thread isn't about that though, it's about a man who's level of selfishness beggars belief.
Another total injustice :( £90K :confused:
"Its not about the money its the principle"...... sure it is, we'll be seeing him giving it all to charity then.
T**ser!
Sure, I agree. I don't think we're disputing whether the NHS should have to pay out if it screws up.
Another total injustice :( £90K :confused:
:confused:
What????? You don't think £90k is a 'little' over the odds?
What????? You don't think £90k is a 'little' over the odds?
Nope. Think loss of earnings over a lifetime....... Depends what he does.
Kilted Ginger
06-03-09, 07:33 PM
as opposed to the loss of earnings if he'd suceded in his attempt. Should be made to pay for his treatment and be charged by police, last time i checked suicide (attempted) was still a criminal offence.
Nope. Think loss of earnings over a lifetime....... Depends what he does.
Loss of what earnings...have you read the article?
Loss of what earnings...have you read the article?
Mr Dexter claims he has lost 75 per cent use of his arm and has been unable to find work since despite trying to get a job.
Look.
1. The man has lost partial use of a limb due to negligent treatment. Compo is partly related to how it changes your life. A professional footballer would get a lot more for the loss of a foot than I would as a desk jockey. £90k is 4 years at the c£22k uk average salary
2. The guy appears to be a tosser.
3. The NHS does not/should not treat people differently however they end up in hospital.
Milky Bar Kid
06-03-09, 08:00 PM
as opposed to the loss of earnings if he'd suceded in his attempt. Should be made to pay for his treatment and be charged by police, last time i checked suicide (attempted) was still a criminal offence.
I agree that he should be made to pay for treatment but nope, attempted suicide isnt an offence....as a last resort police will arrest anyone threatening it as a way of taking them to a place of saftey and probably do them with a breach of the peace or something similar but purely as a means to an end
I agree that he should be made to pay for treatment
Sorry
I'm TeeTotal - drunks on a Fri/Sat night should be made to pay for their treatment.
I don't like football - fat blokes twisting their ankle on a sunday morning game should pay for their treatment.
I don't like motorbikes - those speeding bikers should pay for their treatment coz they always fall off.
Treatment is free or it isn't. If there is an inbetween, then who chooses who pays? You? Me?
Milky Bar Kid
06-03-09, 08:12 PM
1) totally agree that drunks should be made to pay
2) why should someone who is doing somethin healthy be made to pay
3) what you doing on a motorbike forum if you dont like bikes?
Why should the NHS have to pay him £90,000 when for example, my gran who is on 65 btw, was taken into hospital last year after she collapsed. The hospital kept her in for 3 days. We repeatedly told them something wasn't right and that she was very confused, which wasnt like her. They sent her home after 3 days stating it was her blood pressure. 2 days after returning home, she collapsed on my grandad (who is 70) and had to be rushed to the nearest A+E (50 miles away in our case), had several large seizures in the ambulance and was sedated and put on a ventialtor when she arrived at the A+E to stop her doing further damage by seizing. They FINALLY did CT and found that she had cerebral anyuerism (think spelledright).
She was later transferred to Edinburgh Western General and under went surgery. Edinburgh said it was a miracle she survived after it had been missed the first time.
A complaint went in. She didnt get £90,00. Nonsense how some attention seeker who tried to kill themselves then manages to screw the NHS outta that money which could go to providing better treatment to folk.
missyburd
06-03-09, 08:38 PM
Thing is there are always going to be c0ckups within the health service, people can't be perfect all the time :-( I have a friend who's stepdad was taken to hospital and sent home with a headache and some aspirin, he died a couple of days later from a heart attack, the doctors had neglected to spot something on the brain. It's a dreadful thing and doctors and nurses have so much pressure put on them to do the right thing. I'd hate to be put in that position where the decision you make could possibly go either way, especially if you're not aware of it.
But anyway, the point to be made here is this tw4tbag has taken the health service for a ride, he's taken advantage and to be bluntly honest, I think he got off lightly with a useless hand. The hypocrisy of the whole situation is what gets me, he clearly drinks a sh1tload of Horlicks :rolleyes:
Gene genie
06-03-09, 08:41 PM
and the more people who take the nhs for a ride the less money there is in the pot for the rest of us.
Milky Bar Kid
06-03-09, 08:43 PM
and the more people who take the nhs for a ride the less money there is in the pot for the rest of us.
+1:smt038
Well Oiled
06-03-09, 08:57 PM
Sorry
I don't like motorbikes - those speeding bikers should pay for their treatment coz they always fall off.
Treatment is free or it isn't. If there is an inbetween, then who chooses who pays? You? Me?
What a completely stupid analogy. We're talking about INTENT here. I don't ride a bike with the intention of killing myself. If I deliberately rode into a brick wall and had a life-saving operation in which someone made a mistake, should I be able to sue them cos they saved my life but I didn't regain my full health? SHOULD I B****CKS. Neither should he. If he doesn't think he's better off alive as a result of their treatment, he can have another go and do a better job of topping himself this time. If he does think he is better off - he should be grateful.
northwind
06-03-09, 09:04 PM
Not really sure what I think about this one tbh. Yes, they saved his life, and there should be some recognition of that, but on the other hand they crippled him through negligence. I'm guessing his suggestion that they covered it up wasn't proven. £90000 isn't an awful lot of money for an arm, it's about .0001% of the NHS budget I think) It seems about right to me, if he'd got a gigantic payout I'd be against it I suppose. I wonder what the average payout would be in a case like this, ie if the reason was taken into account?
Well Oiled
06-03-09, 09:15 PM
He has restricted use of one limb - however you look at it that's three more than he intended.
missyburd
06-03-09, 09:16 PM
£90000 isn't an awful lot of money for an arm
I thought it was just his hand? And 90k is a hell of a lot of cash for a retired fella to get (says he was a former British Airways engineer...?)
Anyone else notice it was sodium bicarbonate that the docs gave him too much of? Could have done the same amount of damage in the kitchen :lol:
Look.
1. The man has lost partial use of a limb due to negligent treatment. Compo is partly related to how it changes your life. A professional footballer would get a lot more for the loss of a foot than I would as a desk jockey. £90k is 4 years at the c£22k uk average salary
2. The guy appears to be a tosser.
3. The NHS does not/should not treat people differently however they end up in hospital.
LOOK YOURSELF :smt104
1) He moved up North without a job to go to, therefore I really don't see it as an issue. He obviously had depression issues before and he was no spring chicken so who is to say he would have got a job anyway, that is if he was even trying. He is now classed as disabled, and its against the DDA to refuse someone a job on the basis of their disability. Loss of earnings is therefore no arguement. £90k is way over the top.
2) Yes he is a tosser. But we also have to look at the fact that he is unemployed, depressed and put under pressure by his dodgy solicitor and his wife. Nevermind the North/South divide for jobs and unemployment along with the economic climate. Is there any surprise he took the money, BUT £90K is way over the top.
3) I agree, and to quote what Squirrel Hunter has already said its not about the treatment or the paying out for screwing up but the fact he is a selfish idiot, AND £90K IS WAY TOO MUCH.
You may have guessed, or not, but I do believe the NHS had a duty to save his life, and a duty of care, and they f**ked up, and they should pay him some compo for the negligence. BUT £90K is just ridiculous.
1) totally agree that drunks should be made to pay
2) why should someone who is doing somethin healthy be made to pay
3) what you doing on a motorbike forum if you dont like bikes?
You believed that I'm TeeTotal - my god!
What a completely stupid analogy. We're talking about INTENT here. I don't ride a bike with the intention of killing myself. If I deliberately rode into a brick wall and had a life-saving operation in which someone made a mistake, should I be able to sue them cos they saved my life but I didn't regain my full health? SHOULD I B****CKS. Neither should he. If he doesn't think he's better off alive as a result of their treatment, he can have another go and do a better job of topping himself this time. If he does think he is better off - he should be grateful.
Not at all. If intent is all, then self-harmers the country over will be happy they won't get treated. Does smoking count as intent....?
NHS is free at the point of delivery. The law does not allow for accidents any more - somebody has to be accountable. We've all made this ambulance chasing litigious culture - this joker has just worked within the framework provided to him.
Anyone else notice it was sodium bicarbonate that the docs gave him too much of? Could have done the same amount of damage in the kitchen :lol:
Perhaps next time he'll use that to try and 'end it all'. ;)
missyburd
06-03-09, 09:20 PM
Perhaps next time he'll use that to try and 'end it all'. ;)
If I was his wife I'd be baking for him ;)
See, I think this (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Leslie-Ashs-5m-MRSA-Payout-Will-Lead-To-More-Claims/Article/20080131301125?lpos=UK_News_Article_Related_Conten t_Region_8&lid=ARTICLE_1301125_Leslie_Ashs_%3F5m_MRSA_Payout_ Will_Lead_To_More_Claims) is worse
Biker Biggles
06-03-09, 09:25 PM
What a completely stupid analogy. We're talking about INTENT here. I don't ride a bike with the intention of killing myself. If I deliberately rode into a brick wall and had a life-saving operation in which someone made a mistake, should I be able to sue them cos they saved my life but I didn't regain my full health? SHOULD I B****CKS. Neither should he. If he doesn't think he's better off alive as a result of their treatment, he can have another go and do a better job of topping himself this time. If he does think he is better off - he should be grateful.
Exactly.If you deliberately harm yourself or try to kill yourself it is against natural justice(whatever the law says)to then sue those who tried to help you.Its a sign of a truely sick society that we even argue about this without dismissing his claim out of hand.
From personal experience I recall pulling a bloke out of a car in a garage with the engine running and a hosepipe from exhaust to widow.Unconsious to$$er ended up in hospital for about a week including a spell in a decompression chamber then started complaining about his "treatment" and threatening legal action against all and sundry.Nothing came of it but in hindsight I would gladly have left him in the garage had i known what a nasty bit of work I was dealing with.The fact that had there been any "issues" he could have sued and won lots of money leaves a very nasty taste and actually discourages people to have a go and help.
Exactly.If you deliberately harm yourself or try to kill yourself it is against natural justice(whatever the law says)to then sue those who tried to help you.Its a sign of a truely sick society that we even argue about this without dismissing his claim out of hand.
Not suing people who were helping him, but suing those who were clinically negligent. Subtle difference.
missyburd
06-03-09, 09:32 PM
See, I think this (http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/Leslie-Ashs-5m-MRSA-Payout-Will-Lead-To-More-Claims/Article/20080131301125?lpos=UK_News_Article_Related_Conten t_Region_8&lid=ARTICLE_1301125_Leslie_Ashs_%3F5m_MRSA_Payout_ Will_Lead_To_More_Claims) is worse
Come again? Yes it's hell of a lot of cash and yeah probably too much but at the end of the day she can't walk properly and has had her whole career put in jeopardy. Not the same circumstances at all, she deserved any compensation she got (albeit too much) whereas this bloke didn't deserve anything in my opinion.
Come again? Yes it's hell of a lot of cash and yeah probably too much but at the end of the day she can't walk properly and has had her whole career put in jeopardy. Not the same circumstances at all, she deserved any compensation she got (albeit too much) whereas this bloke didn't deserve anything in my opinion.
And this man can't hug his wife! ;) £5m after falling off the be after a bout of nookie?
Biker Biggles
06-03-09, 09:38 PM
Not suing people who were helping him, but suing those who were clinically negligent. Subtle difference.
You are quite right in current legal terms,but morally the system stinks.
Not a lawyer are you?[-o<
missyburd
06-03-09, 09:40 PM
And this man can't hug his wife! ;) £5m after falling off the be after a bout of nookie?
I was gonna ask what it was she went in for, couldn't see it in the article but my post still stands. £5m is too much but then how much is too much when you consider what's potentially at stake? A career and the ability to walk are not things to be sniffed at. Not being able to use a hand as a retired bloke who clearly didn't give a to$$ if either hand worked before he went into hospital just doesn't qualify for any cash handout :smt102
northwind
06-03-09, 09:41 PM
You are quite right in current legal terms,but morally the system stinks.
Yeah, but the morals of it aren't set in stone, as you can see from the disagreement here.
Well Oiled
06-03-09, 09:47 PM
What is compensation? = money to attempt to make up for the quality of life you would have had if the incident had not occurred
If the incident had not occurred - death - quality of life lost?
slark01
06-03-09, 10:15 PM
I want to really beat the carp out of this person for being so selfish and causing harm to others.
However he did and does have the right to sue and win.
It fooks me off, but he is in the right, end of!
Blah, blah, blah I'm sick and tired of this silly arguement.
£90K for some t*at who now has to w*nk with his left hand, £5M for some crappy actress, yet only £9K for the family of a young girl raped by a known peado and dumped from a moving car.
Civilised society my a*se.
Well Oiled
06-03-09, 10:19 PM
"Yet again - no-body understanding mental health problems!"
That's a bit of a sweeping generalisation. My mother suffered from depression for much of her life and I have an understanding of it.
However, I would not advocate the suing of someone who saved her life but left her with the restricted use of one of her arms due to an incorrect dosage. It's just morally wrong.
Should someone who tries to take their life have our understanding and sympathy? - absolutely
Should they be able to sue the people make an honest mistake while saving their life? absolutley not.
Not a lawyer are you?[-o<
Nope - just appear to be particularly argumentative this evening :D
ethariel
06-03-09, 10:26 PM
Just refuse to treat the to$$er the next time he comes in having attempted suicide as it's 'Too much of a financal risk to treat him again' advise him that 90k will get him a bed in the BUPA hospital down the road instead!
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06-03-09, 10:31 PM
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