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BoltonSte
12-03-09, 03:09 PM
I want to convert the loft, the neighbours know and are OK with this, but I need a party wall agreement, does anyone know where to get one drawn up, or know of a template letter I can use for this?
Ste
Dappa D
12-03-09, 03:12 PM
have u spoke to a building inspector? (i may be wrong but think they have to approve any work like that? if so sure they would know)
This is pretty much be my fortae, least my old mans, he is one of the best in the country at it.
EDIT: bad spelling
I want to convert the loft, the neighbours know and are OK with this, but I need a party wall agreement, does anyone know where to get one drawn up, or know of a template letter I can use for this?
Ste
There is a fair bit to consider, you need to issue them with a Notice of works which contains an agreement form.
We charge a fair bit to do one of these, and we are cheap compared to some. If you get your neghibours to agree there is no fee for yourself, but if they want their wall/house/structure protected then you will need to appoint a surveyor to act on your behalf.
So without touting for work. The best route is to get your next door neighbour to agree.
Here is a link to some info on it.
http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts1996/Ukpga_19960040_en_1
have u spoke to a building inspector? (i may be wrong but think they have to approve any work like that? if so sure they would know)
Dappa your very much correct mate, most loft conversion normally need planning i think and i am almost certain that you will have to inform Building Control, and you may need thier approval as well.
To be honest i wouldnt do it without cause if they find out they will just knock it through.
Dappa D
12-03-09, 03:25 PM
J, out of interest what do you fella?
BoltonSte
12-03-09, 03:26 PM
Well next door aren't bothered, and because it is under 40m3 of extension I don't need planning.
I've not started but I'm getting the job priced up and both of my neighbours are aware of what I want to do (one already has a dorma, the other is looking at doing one himself) and neither are bothered.
Can I get a notice of agreement of t'web or do I need to pay sopmeone to do it?
The plans have been drawn up, so I could get the architect to do it I suppose, but I'm a cheapskate and this is costing me enough already.
Ste
J, out of interest what do you fella?
I have been training for the last two years to be a Building Surveyor, my old man has been doing it for 47 years, 30 of which in London.
BoltonSte
12-03-09, 03:28 PM
I type too slow, building regs have been notified with plans and I can start the work now, they'll send out their inspector once it's started.
There's been no mention off the council about a PWA but my plans do say I may need them.
Just thought I'd best get everything covered.
I may phone building regs and ask them tomorrow.
Well next door aren't bothered, and because it is under 40m3 of extension I don't need planning.
I've not started but I'm getting the job priced up and both of my neighbours are aware of what I want to do (one already has a dorma, the other is looking at doing one himself) and neither are bothered.
Can I get a notice of agreement of t'web or do I need to pay sopmeone to do it?
The plans have been drawn up, so I could get the architect to do it I suppose, but I'm a cheapskate and this is costing me enough already.
Ste
Thats a good start mate, i am also certain that you are not allowed to act as your own surveyor.
If the architect is any good he should know about it to be fair and should be able to do it for you, but it will probably cost you.
Expensive game, building.
At the same time i am almost certain that we dont charge if the adjoining owners (your neighbours) agree to the work.
Not sure what other surveyors do though.
Dappa D
12-03-09, 03:33 PM
svste - sorry for the mini derail mate - if its a legal contract can a solicitor do it? ie ED on here? (but again im no expert so not aware of the process and who can draw up the agreement)
J, interesting good to know mate, ive been speaking with my uncle lately about my future and this was a route I was considering - ultimatley ending up somewhere in town planning / transport planning etc...(my uncle is a consultant chartered surveyor in london)..
unfortunately I have no formal qualifications above GSCE level and am looking at starting A levels shortly via distance learning so i can later enrol on a degree course...
so i may be pm'ing you in the future for some advice ha!
svste - sorry for the mini derail mate - if its a legal contract can a solicitor do it? ie ED on here? (but again im no expert so not aware of the process and who can draw up the agreement)
J, interesting good to know mate, ive been speaking with my uncle lately about my future and this was a route I was considering - ultimatley ending up somewhere in town planning / transport planning etc...(my uncle is a consultant chartered surveyor in london)..
unfortunately I have no formal qualifications above GSCE level and am looking at starting A levels shortly via distance learning so i can later enrol on a degree course...
so i may be pm'ing you in the future for some advice ha!
No worries mate thats what my old man is Chartered Building Surveyor/Construciton Consultant.
To be fair, it is hard work but once your qualified the money is good and surveyors are always gonna be needed, working for the council is not bad money at least 30k for some of thier surveyors.
Dont worry mate i had to start from the bottom, i had to retake my GCSE English and now i am coming to the end of this course.
http://www.cem.ac.uk/courses/DipSP.asp
All my studying is distance learning, i have an assignment to be in today and i have still got 30% left, its not easy, self discipline and all that but i always manage to get it done somehow.
Results pending this year i start the degree in December. 3 years on that then 2 years becoming chartered, minimum asking salary for chartered is about 55-60k.
I am in a good position as i am already working so it looks good on the CV as by the time im chartered i will already have about 7 years experience.
You were syaing about your uncle , why not try and get in with him or at least some tips?
I do a bit of work up in Bristol, you dont live in Cabot Court or Belmont Park do you, lol?
Dappa D
12-03-09, 04:13 PM
J that course looks really interesting mate, didnt find that one when I was looking.
working with my uncle - not an option (yet) as he is self employed as a consultant and based in london, ive got a young family here in bristol and mrs d has a good job etc so wouldnt move away. but his could be an option once im qualified.
trouble i have is i dont want to commit to a specific path yet and need to research them in depth.
my thinking is spend the next 2 yrs getting A levels via distance learning (which wil allow me to go on and do a degree), once I have these I can then try and find an entry level job in whichever profession i choose, town planning, environment agency, surveyers....
uncle has said once I have A levels he should be able to get me a foot in the door to a number of local authorities in the west country and a few housing associations as he used to work for them in the 90's and still has contacts there so fingers crossed!
good luck with your exams mate
edit/.....lol no fella they sound posh! i live in roughmead!
J that course looks really interesting mate, didnt find that one when I was looking.
working with my uncle - not an option (yet) as he is self employed as a consultant and based in london, ive got a young family here in bristol and mrs d has a good job etc so wouldnt move away. but his could be an option once im qualified.
trouble i have is i dont want to commit to a specific path yet and need to research them in depth.
my thinking is spend the next 2 yrs getting A levels via distance learning (which wil allow me to go on and do a degree), once I have these I can then try and find an entry level job in whichever profession i choose, town planning, environment agency, surveyers....
uncle has said once I have A levels he should be able to get me a foot in the door to a number of local authorities in the west country and a few housing associations as he used to work for them in the 90's and still has contacts there so fingers crossed!
good luck with your exams mate
edit/.....lol no fella they sound posh! i live in roughmead!
Nice one cheers, sounds like you have got a rough idea of what you are looking for.
A levels are a good choice, just keep your head down and get some good scores as thats what the Uni's want.
The course i am on is good if you want to do it from home and do a degree through the College of Estate Management which is what im gonna do.
We do a lot of work with the Housing Associations, good source of work if the goverment funding is there, alot of Section 106 Agreements (affordable housing) and all that.
My bro is currently out sourcing from our company and working for a HA as a devlopment manager, charging them £50/h. He is taking about 3k a month from it, few days a week.
Feel free to pm me if you want any advice mate.
svste - sorry for the mini derail mate - if its a legal contract can a solicitor do it? ie ED on here? (but again im no expert so not aware of the process and who can draw up the agreement)
I don't know anything about Party Wall Act awards:confused:
alot of Section 106 Agreements (affordable housing) and all that.
Why is it that local authorities take so long to produce these... on one project I have been waiting for nearly 3 months for a simple s106 for 'affordable housing' (which s a bad joke, anyway:rolleyes:) - I'm thinking of sending Shrewsbury & Atcham BC a mark up of one of the ones they did on another site and saying 'here, I beat you to it, that's £500'...
I don't know anything about Party Wall Act awards:confused:
Why is it that local authorities take so long to produce these... on one project I have been waiting for nearly 3 months for a simple s106 for 'affordable housing' (which s a bad joke, anyway:rolleyes:) - I'm thinking of sending Shrewsbury & Atcham BC a mark up of one of the ones they did on another site and saying 'here, I beat you to it, that's £500'...
If your talking about local councils then i know what you mean, we have serious problems with planning down our end to the point where projects have been delayed for 2 years. :confused:
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