Pulled by the Fuzz.

[kame1986]

sum up: Got pulled over by police, £30 fine.

the story goes as follows:

Coming up on the long road to Semington roundabout past the funeral burning place.
I get to the roundabout, see a copper on a bike and gave him a little nod and then existed the r-about. Did not pull away too fast cos of the removel of my bafle, Carried on up the roda towards Trowbridge then a bike appears in my right mirror.No worrys, no worries, ahh crap blue lights came on. Instantly pulled over into layby, turned engine off, took helment off plus facemask. He said that my plate was ilegal and had no reflector on back end and that my tires were past min treat. At this point i got defensive in a nice way and was like "officter, i have literally just come back from bike garage to have bike booked in to get front and rear tire changed, ring them by all means and ull see that a Mr "" "" is booked in at 2pm." He believed me(was the truth anywayz) and then just said "i could give you 3 points per tire and £30 per tire but i can see that u noticed a problem and was getting fixed." He then gave me a ticket for a £30 fine and then a piece of paper saying i have to get tire changed and reflector put on bike and get the garage to stamp it.

Unsure to who will read all of that but hey thought it was funny.

[petevtwin650]

Well you did all the right things so it does seem a bit unnecessary to have given you anything apart from a retification notice.

The only consolation is it could have been worse if he'd have been a jobsworth or if you had acted differently towards him.

So he didn't do you for the plate, just no reflector, and no comment on the baffleless can either?

[kame1986]

he said he pulled me over due to how small my plate was and that it didnt meet legal size, lettering standerds etc. but on the documentation he did not mention this. just put tire and reflector.

ether way he was actually a nice copper, he was just doing his job.

[SoulKiss]

he said he pulled me over due to how small my plate was and that it didnt meet legal size, lettering standerds etc. but on the documentation he did not mention this. just put tire and reflector.

ether way he was actually a nice copper, he was just doing his job.

Ca I suggest then that you edit your 1st post and remove the phrase "pig on a bike" then?

[kame1986]

Ca I suggest then that you edit your 1st post and remove the phrase "pig on a bike" then?

done.

[arcdef]

Ca I suggest then that you edit your 1st post and remove the phrase "pig on a bike" then?

lol dont know why but that made me chuckle :).

[Dave20046]

**** does this go back to the nodding at bike coppers debate???

Was it daylight? If so the rear reflector thing is a load of ********.

[DanAbnormal]

To be fair he let you off with the tyres, it IS still an offence to be on the road with them he could have given you the points. I say he was rather nice to you!

[Dave20046]

In reference to the title, did it hurt?

[pencil shavings]

I think I will get a reflector today on my shopping spree for a crush washer. No point in attracting attention. Glad you got off ok, I would rather get stoped by a biker cop than a trafic cop.

[husky03]

I would rather get stoped by a biker cop than a trafic cop.


+1

[kame1986]

actually the reflector thing is not a load of bull. went to mot station afterwards and its the law to have a reflector on the rear end of the motorbike.

but yeah, better to be pulled by biker cop than traffic cop.

[petevtwin650]

actually the reflector thing is not a load of bull. went to mot station afterwards and its the law to have a reflector on the rear end of the motorbike.

but yeah, better to be pulled by biker cop than traffic cop.

Should of had a reflector for the last MOT. Very often the MOT stations have the round sticky ones for you to buy as it would be a silly fail without.

Can't really understand why you need one these days when there is a huge reflective number plate on the rear.

So did nodding attract the cop or did it make him a bit more amenable? Only he knows.

[wyrdness]

How small was the plate? Was it very small, or just under the legal size? If you've got tiny plates then you're just asking to be pulled over.

[Paul the 6th]

Can't really understand why you need one these days when there is a huge reflective number plate on the rear.


I'd have thought the big red light directly above the number plate might be a give away that there's a bike in front of you as well lol...

It's one of them old "construction and use" regulations which'll probably never go away. So I should pull my finger out and get myself a reflector to fit my hamicad tail tidy I guess...

[Alpinestarhero]

Seems a bit harsh you know, perhaps he had nothing better to do. Anyway, lest he saw sense to let you off for the tyres



I nod at the police bikers, sometimes they nod back. most of the time, they dont do anything.

[Dave20046]

actually the reflector thing is not a load of bull. went to mot station afterwards and its the law to have a reflector on the rear end of the motorbike.

but yeah, better to be pulled by biker cop than traffic cop.
Too my knowledge,only if it's dark - I passed my motorcycle test on a bike without a rear reflector and when asked about it I said it's perfect visibility and the examiner just said you are required by law to have one when riding at night/in poor visibility. And have also passed an MOT without one although I MOT'd it as daytime running only as there were no headlights either.

[rowdy]

Went to the bike dealers to get a reflector when my bike was due for it's mot. Had a look at all the second hand bikes they had for sale and not one of them had a reflector so I asked the salesman if it was required by law. He said it was but they didn't bother replacing them as most owners pull them off anyway, only replacing them to go through the mot.

[pencil shavings]

I didnt have a reflector for my last MOT, the guy just let me off, nearly a year later and I still havent got it sorted. and i just forgot to get one when I went to the shops :smt017

[gettin2dizzy]

sum up: Got pulled over by police, £30 fine.

the story goes as follows:

Coming up on the long road to Semington roundabout past the funeral burning place.
I get to the roundabout, see a copper on a bike and gave him a little nod and then existed the r-about. Did not pull away too fast cos of the removel of my bafle, Carried on up the roda towards Trowbridge then a bike appears in my right mirror.No worrys, no worries, ahh crap blue lights came on. Instantly pulled over into layby, turned engine off, took helment off plus facemask. He said that my plate was ilegal and had no reflector on back end and that my tires were past min treat. At this point i got defensive in a nice way and was like "officter, i have literally just come back from bike garage to have bike booked in to get front and rear tire changed, ring them by all means and ull see that a Mr "" "" is booked in at 2pm." He believed me(was the truth anywayz) and then just said "i could give you 3 points per tire and £30 per tire but i can see that u noticed a problem and was getting fixed." He then gave me a ticket for a £30 fine and then a piece of paper saying i have to get tire changed and reflector put on bike and get the garage to stamp it.

Unsure to who will read all of that but hey thought it was funny.
What a spanner. Does he honestly think that £30 fine is in some way going to improve the situation? What a jobsworth.

[Nobbylad]

What a spanner. Does he honestly think that £30 fine is in some way going to improve the situation? What a jobsworth.

Yeah, I mean fancy stopping someone who has made a conscious effort to put their bike in a non-roadworthy/illegal state by removing the baffle, putting on a small number plate and removing the reflector (and allowing the tires to wear down beyond their legal tolerances).

I mean, c'mon, it's not like we rely on the Police to uphold the law or anything is it? :smt017

[Dave20046]

Yeah, I mean fancy stopping someone who has made a conscious effort to put their bike in a non-roadworthy/illegal state by removing the baffle, putting on a small number plate and removing the reflector (and allowing the tires to wear down beyond their legal tolerances).

I mean, c'mon, it's not like we rely on the Police to uphold the law or anything is it? :smt017
The plate and slightly the reflector I could understand (if it even is illegal in daylight) but not the exhaust. An order to get it sorted would have sufficed.

[Nobbylad]

I was being flippant, I just don't get why some people think they can deliberately mod their bike to be illegal and moan when they get pulled by someone doing their job?

EDIT: I am actually going to remove my baffle once I get my tax/insurance sorted after my recent off. I will carry it under the seat with an allen bolt to be able to replace it, however if I get pulled and ticketed even after offering to put it back in there and then, I won't complain about it because I am knowingly making the bike un-roadworthy.

[gettin2dizzy]

Yeah, I mean fancy stopping someone who has made a conscious effort to put their bike in a non-roadworthy/illegal state by removing the baffle, putting on a small number plate and removing the reflector (and allowing the tires to wear down beyond their legal tolerances).

I mean, c'mon, it's not like we rely on the Police to uphold the law or anything is it? :smt017
The law is just a set of guidelines that are there to try and uphold some kind of decent society. Giving him a ticket for tyres he's already taken the crucial step to replace whilst riding on a dry day doesn't serve to benefit anyone at all. It's just the copper being a *****.

Ask yourself this. If he had stopped a mate or fellow policeman, would he have continued to fine him ?

Yes there are rules, but they're there to protect the public rather than needlessly terrorise them.

[madness]

It seems to me that almost every week we have a post similar to this. We all know, or should know whether our bikes are legal or not. If we choose to ride them in a non legal condition or we choose to break laws while riding them, then we should be prepared to accept the consequences and not blame others for being 'jobsworths'. At the end of the day we are paying our taxes for laws to be upheld.

[Luckypants]

He then gave me a ticket for a £30 fine and then a piece of paper saying i have to get tire changed and reflector put on bike and get the garage to stamp it.

So was the ticket for tyres or no reflector? To be fair, the copper found 4 things that were ticketable and only issued one. He could have done him for both tyres and that carries points. So the copper used his discretion to a considerable extent.

[Dappa D]

I'd say on the whole, pretty sound copper IMO, £30 aint bad considering what he could have done had he of been a jobsworth.

[Nobbylad]

The law is just a set of guidelines that are there to try and uphold some kind of decent society. Giving him a ticket for tyres he's already taken the crucial step to replace whilst riding on a dry day doesn't serve to benefit anyone at all. It's just the copper being a *****.

Ask yourself this. If he had stopped a mate or fellow policeman, would he have continued to fine him ?

Yes there are rules, but they're there to protect the public rather than needlessly terrorise them.

Personally, I check my tires for damage/foreign objects before almost every ride and pressures at least twice a week. Tread less so. The crucial step to replacing tyres is to book them in before they become illegal.

But maybe you're right about the law being 'guidelines' to a decent society. I mean, I know it's illegal to slap my wife (not that I ever would), however seeing as a recent poll suggested that 1 in 5 people in our society thought it was acceptable if she was wearing suggestive clothing and/or nagging. Then maybe I could get away with it...I mean it's not like I'd be beating her up or causing injury?

Not trying to say that this is equivalent in any way, but in my view, we all know the law and knowingly breaking it, however trivial we think it is, doesn't really leave room for complaint if you get caught (in my view). Maybe the policeman could have avoided handing out the penalty, but if he was to be assessed on that (in accordance with his training and the law), I'm sure he'd be supposed to dish it out.

[AndyW]

<derail>

The law is just a set of guidelines that are there to try and uphold some kind of decent society.
Yes there are rules, but they're there to protect the public rather than needlessly terrorise them.

The law is a set of LAWS not guidelines. If a law is broken there is defined penalty which is required (not optional).

They are NOT there to protect the public. (A ban on fox hunting protects the public how?) They are there to enforce a standard of behaviour society finds acceptable.

</derail>

[gettin2dizzy]

What a bunch a nazis we have on here! hehe.

Just remind yourself what the law is there to do. And what role punishments are meant to serve.

In this scenario, dishing out a £30 fine helped no one. Giving him a warning and letting him on his way would have been more than sufficient.

[gettin2dizzy]

<derail>



The law is a set of LAWS not guidelines. If a law is broken there is defined penalty which is required (not optional).

They are NOT there to protect the public. (A ban on fox hunting protects the public how?) They are there to enforce a standard of behaviour society finds acceptable.

</derail>
Actually, in Britain we don't have a constitution.

[madness]

In this scenario, dishing out a £30 fine helped no one. Giving him a warning and letting him on his way would have been more than sufficient.

I thought that punishment of a crime was supposed to be a deterent. Will getting fined not deter him from a similar offence in the future?

[Paul the 6th]

Nazis, the lot of you! :razz:

[gettin2dizzy]

I thought that punishment of a crime was supposed to be a deterent. Will getting fined not deter him from a similar offence in the future?It is, exactly. But he's realised his mistake and already arranged for new tyres to be put on :rolleyes:

Would a 'chat' not have acted as an equal deterrent?

It's like stepping out of a shop haven forgotten to pay for something, realising this and stepping back in, telling the shop assistant what happened, getting your wallet out...and bang! Arrested for theft.

It's just easy, lazy pickings for police quotas, or constabulary-willy-waving.

A bit of tolerance never hurt anyone.

[Dave20046]

Nazis, the lot of you! :razz:
Restructure that tash!

[madness]

It is, exactly. But he's realised his mistake and already arranged for new tyres to be put on :rolleyes:

Would a 'chat' not have acted as an equal deterrent?

It's like stepping out of a shop haven forgotten to pay for something, realising this and stepping back in, telling the shop assistant what happened, getting your wallet out...and bang! Arrested for theft.

It's just easy, lazy pickings for police quotas, or constabulary-willy-waving.

A bit of tolerance never hurt anyone.


Indeed. But I think it comes down to the fact that we're all human, and we have good days and bad days. The law needs to be seen to treat everyone in the same way, which unfortunately it doesn't. If one day a happy cop lets you off with a warning and a miserable cop does someone for the same offence, then that's not fair really.

[rowdy]

It is, exactly. But he's realised his mistake and already arranged for new tyres to be put on :rolleyes:

Would a 'chat' not have acted as an equal deterrent?

It's like stepping out of a shop haven forgotten to pay for something, realising this and stepping back in, telling the shop assistant what happened, getting your wallet out...and bang! Arrested for theft.

It's just easy, lazy pickings for police quotas, or constabulary-willy-waving.

A bit of tolerance never hurt anyone.
I have done this before (shop incident) and don't recall being arrested for it as it was an honest mistake and I went back in and paid.
As has been mentioned the tyres really should have been replaced before they became illegal and the copper was well within his rights to of issued a fixed penalty and points, but choose not to.
Am I right in thinking if this had been you in that situation you'd have kicked up a fuss and called him a jobsworth and thus landed yourself in even more bother.

[gettin2dizzy]

I have done this before (shop incident) and don't recall being arrested for it as it was an honest mistake and I went back in and paid.
As has been mentioned the tyres really should have been replaced before they became illegal and the copper was well within his rights to of issued a fixed penalty and points, but choose not to.
Am I right in thinking if this had been you in that situation you'd have kicked up a fuss and called him a jobsworth and thus landed yourself in even more bother.
If I was caught speeding, or was being done for a loud can (and was caught being unsociable with it), then I'd take it on the chin. No problem.

But this fine serves to help no one. When did we become a nation of morons more concerned with what the neighbours are up to than just getting on with your own lives. It's pathetic!

[Swin]

Actually, in Britain we don't have a constitution.

to be really nit-picky, we DO have a constitution, it's confusing because our constitution is classed as an "unwritten constitution" which means that the constitution is bounded by "statutes, common law and practice"

You'd be right to say we don't have a written constitution, but we do have a constitution :D

[gettin2dizzy]

to be really nit-picky, we DO have a constitution, it's confusing because our constitution is classed as an "unwritten constitution" which means that the constitution is bounded by "statutes, common law and practice"

You'd be right to say we don't have a written constitution, but we do have a constitution :D
That part of my reply was unwritten too ;)

But yeah, I was referring to the common law :thumbsup:

[Baph]

G2D, I have been given a £60 fine in the past for having a small plate. At the time, I could of been done for speeding (which would of been direct to court as it was well above 3 figures), not displaying tax and a loud can. I wasn't, I had a chat about each offence, and was only booked for the plate. I think that's fair.

The OP had no rear reflector (as well as other offences), and received a £30 fine.

Two illegal tyres are worth £60 & 6 points. Lack of reflector is worth £30 and a trip to the MOT testing station. So that could of been £90, a trip to the MOT place, and increased insurance costs if not lost licence under the 2 year rule (don't know how long the OP has had their licence).

All that, compared to £30. I think they probably had the "chat" and the officer used discretion wisely.

[Swin]

That part of my reply was unwritten too ;)

But yeah, I was referring to the common law :thumbsup:


Haha - yes, I get you - "it went without saying", I take it :grin:

[gettin2dizzy]

G2D, I have been given a £60 fine in the past for having a small plate. At the time, I could of been done for speeding (which would of been direct to court as it was well above 3 figures), not displaying tax and a loud can. I wasn't, I had a chat about each offence, and was only booked for the plate. I think that's fair.

The OP had no rear reflector (as well as other offences), and received a £30 fine.

Two illegal tyres are worth £60 & 6 points. Lack of reflector is worth £30 and a trip to the MOT testing station. So that could of been £90, a trip to the MOT place, and increased insurance costs if not lost licence under the 2 year rule (don't know how long the OP has had their licence).

All that, compared to £30. I think they probably had the "chat" and the officer used discretion wisely.
Bummer. How small was it?

Mines 5 x 9, but the font size is the same (i think!). Never had any issues.

All these are trivial offences though. I bet that copper broke at least 3 laws before lunch himself!

[husky03]

got off lightly-the copper used his discretion and i take it the ticket was for the plate and not the tyres and the can -i'd be thankfull at that

[fraser01]

Gettin2dizzy,

There are people out there that ignore friendly advice, I have given advice and a month later they are still comitting the same offences..that's why tickets and rectification notices are issued. People soon learn when they have to fork out of their own pocket or get points on their licence.
If you knowingly break the law then you cannot complain.

[gettin2dizzy]

Gettin2dizzy,

There are people out there that ignore friendly advice, I have given advice and a month later they are still comitting the same offences..that's why tickets and rectification notices are issued. People soon learn when they have to fork out of their own pocket or get points on their licence.
If you knowingly break the law then you cannot complain.
If you catch them again then come down hard on them then! :lol: We don't all need to be treated like criminals!

Can you tell I just want to live on a desert island with only one law..

'don't be a ****' :lol:

:riding:

[fraser01]

Easier said than done, thousands of people pass through my town every month, I have no way of knowing if they have ever been given friendly advice for an offence.. My work would not be consistant if I gave one person a ticket for not wearing a seat belt then let the next person off, wouldn't be fair really would it. This is why we use a fair amount of discretion for some multiple minor offences, rect notice or warning etc.

Let's hope you find that island of yours...

[Bris-Rob]

people keep saying about a reflector, im new to biking, what is it and were is it ment to be on the bike, im guessing on the numberplate. If so i am lacking one of these. :s

If so, were can i locate one!

many thanks,

Rob

[gettin2dizzy]

Easier said than done, thousands of people pass through my town every month, I have no way of knowing if they have ever been given friendly advice for an offence.. My work would not be consistant if I gave one person a ticket for not wearing a seat belt then let the next person off, wouldn't be fair really would it. This is why we use a fair amount of discretion for some multiple minor offences, rect notice or warning etc.

Let's hope you find that island of yours...
I can understand it must be difficult to be consistent, and frustrating when dealing with repeat offenders. But that IS your job, and likewise I can't speak to people at work with a condescending and patronising tone simply because a few people have wound me up.

I don't think there's an answer. But we're all human, we make mistakes, and occasionally we need a bit of slack. £30 is a lot of cash to most people at the moment.

[husky03]

thats the difference G2D-we all make mistakes but a smaller plate and no baffle are hardly a mistake-who's to say that with a normal sized plate he wouldn't have got pulled

[gettin2dizzy]

thats the difference G2D-we all make mistakes but a smaller plate and no baffle are hardly a mistake-who's to say that with a normal sized plate he wouldn't have got pulled
I do wonder what some people expect with those tiny tiny single line plates! :lol:

[madness]

I do wonder what some people expect with those tiny tiny single line plates! :lol:

Trouble is, when thet get done, they moan about it!

[kame1986]

wow loads of posts today.

as for the reflector thing, it has to be perpendicular to the number plate. it being attached to the plate is equally as bad but shows a conscious effort to uphold the law.

he pulled me for the plate. thats what the fine was for. he got me to go to MOT station to get tires done and reflector and get a stupid yellow piece of paper stamped and sent off to say work had been done.

anwyayz, i new what was wrong with my bike and was ready mentally for the damage to be done.

[Magnum]

**** does this go back to the nodding at bike coppers debate???


What debate is this?

[Gene genie]

where do we get the term ''fuzz''?
:confused:

[kame1986]

this thread was titled something else but admin changed it.

[Dave20046]

where do we get the term ''fuzz''?
:confused:
It's derived from coppers in the USA pulling at peoples pubic hair to torture them for having silly loud exhausts.

[Dave20046]

What debate is this?
On the biker etiquette thread someone mentioned nodding at a copper gets you pulled.

[gettin2dizzy]

where do we get the term ''fuzz''?
:confused:Better to be pulled by the fuzz, than swung by the tits ;)

[Magnum]

On the biker etiquette thread someone mentioned nodding at a copper gets you pulled.


Im glad i havnt nodded at the ones ive passed then.

[Dave20046]

Im glad i havnt nodded at the ones ive passed then.
I've nodded at one (not many are round these parts, one got killed pretty grizzly a bit back too,rip, so they're a bike down too) but I've seen one (stood next to his bike) and got a return nod. He wouldn't have had time to jump on it and catch me though.

[Gene genie]

It's derived from coppers in the USA pulling at peoples pubic hair to torture them for having silly loud exhausts.
any personal experiences?:rolleyes:

[Gene genie]

Better to be pulled by the fuzz, than swung by the tits ;)
it was a serious question people,
but funny replies are most welcome too.:smt081

[husky03]

It's derived from coppers in the USA pulling at peoples pubic hair to torture them for having silly loud exhausts.


:p

[BanannaMan]

From yahoo,com

http://ask.yahoo.com/20050307.html




Although "the fuzz (http://www.bartleby.com/61/86/F0378600.html)" is not a phrase encountered in common parlance, it appears to have originated in the U.S. in the 1920s. It was a pretty popular slang term among "underground types" in the '30s. As is the case with many word origin issues, there are several theories but no definitive answer for your question. Here are some of the more widespread theories on the origins of "the fuzz":

"Fuzz" is derived from "fuss" because police officers are fussy or hard to please.
It's a reference to the beards that police officers sported at the time.
It's a slurred pronunciation of the exclamation "Feds."
It's based on the criminal slang term "fuzzy," which meant "unmanly, incompetent and soft."
It's from the Wolof (http://www.uiowa.edu/~africart/toc/people/Wolof.html) word "fas" for a horse, which was applied to mounted police officers and then ultimately to all officers.
So there you have it -- the fuzzy origins of "the fuzz."


Sounds as if they don't have a clue either. :p

[Lissa]

On the biker etiquette thread someone mentioned nodding at a copper gets you pulled.

Im glad i havnt nodded at the ones ive passed then.


We nod and wave to any bike cop we pass. Never been pulled (by the fuzz or anything else) for doing so. Just get a nod back usually.

Most bike cops are in the job because they love biking, and are enthusiasts just like you and I.

[Magnum]

Most bike cops are in the job because they love biking, and are enthusiasts just like you and I.


Thats what i thought, and was a bit confused when someone said you get pulled for it :-|

[Dave20046]

Most bike cops are in the job because they love biking, and are enthusiasts just like you and I.
got to admit I've thought about it.

[BanannaMan]

In this scenario, dishing out a £30 fine helped no one.



Au contraire!!!
The local government in Trowbridge ( or the county of Wiltshire) is now a wee bit richer. ;)




I always acknowlege Police, be it bike or car. Never been pulled for it.
(or heard of such)

[Lissa]

Thats what i thought, and was a bit confused when someone said you get pulled for it :-|

We've only met one bike cop who was a real ****, when we did our Bikesafe weekend with Warwickshire police. All the other cops didn't like him.............he wasn't an enthusiast, just saw it as a fast track for promotion. The sergeant we went out with was brilliant.

[Nobbylad]

I can understand it must be difficult to be consistent, and frustrating when dealing with repeat offenders. But that IS your job, and likewise I can't speak to people at work with a condescending and patronising tone simply because a few people have wound me up.

I don't think there's an answer. But we're all human, we make mistakes, and occasionally we need a bit of slack. £30 is a lot of cash to most people at the moment.

How much does it cost to get an illegal plate made up?

Making a mistake would be not checking your tyres for a few weeks, hardly time for them to wear down illegally, removing a baffle can't really be done by accident either.

Have you done a bike safe course or similar? Maybe if you did, you'd get a different perspective on police riders and they wouldn't all be the 'baddies' you make them out to be?

;)

[Frank]

Do not feed the
troll

[Dave20046]

How much does it cost to get an illegal plate made up?


;)
about £5-£10 unless you're getting something reeeally fancy

[fraser01]

I can understand it must be difficult to be consistent, and frustrating when dealing with repeat offenders. But that IS your job, and likewise I can't speak to people at work with a condescending and patronising tone simply because a few people have wound me up.

I don't think there's an answer. But we're all human, we make mistakes, and occasionally we need a bit of slack. £30 is a lot of cash to most people at the moment.

Yes it is my job (which I enjoy I might add) and I don't get frustrated with repeat offenders, what frustrates me is when they go to court and get off with something they have comitted (and I am not talking minor traffic offences here). However I know there is always a next time.

What gives a person the right to chose which laws to obey and which to ignore? There are loads of people who knowingly commit offences on a daily basis, drive over the speed limit, how many on here with illegal mods...you really don't have any arguement if you get stopped and fined. I won't mention mistakes as people have already covered it.

If you don't want the fine, don't do the crime!?!?

[kame1986]

well ive learned alot from this. quote from the mrs "if u dont want the crime, put up the fine"

lesson 1: dont mod ur bike
lesson 2: dont advertise ur stupidity on forums other u get an 8 page thread!

[hob]

What gives a person the right to chose which laws to obey and which to ignore?


If you think ~ 12 other people you have never met would agree with you...



On a side note, if you don't break the law, it will never change.

They had to change the public broadcasting law wrt "Ipod FM Transmitters", I "broke" the law by using one prior to the law changing.

> Why > because it was silly, made by a silly billy.

Unless we unite to fight the oppressors they will try to silence us, silence our bikes, which are the vocal chords of freedom.

[petevtwin650]

well ive learned alot from this. quote from the mrs "if u dont want the crime, put up the fine"

lesson 1: dont mod ur bike
lesson 2: dont advertise ur stupidity on forums other u get an 8 page thread!

Lesson 1: Lots of us have modded our bikes and not suffered the consequences. So far. Maybe if you didn't have the baldish tyres you would have gotten off scot free. I know he didn't issue the ticket for that ubt the total offences tally was quite high.

Lesson 2: This is exactly what forums are about surely. You should see some of the threads I've posted :(

We got pulled in Wales, speeding into a village (didn't slow down quickly enough) illegal cans, number plate and reflector plus no tax disc on display. Rode away wallet fully intact. Different day, different cop, who knows?

[kame1986]

live and learn live and learn.

[AndyW]

If you think ~ 12 other people you have never met would agree with you...

Virtually all traffic offences don't go to county court with a jury, they are tried at magistrates court.


On a side note, if you don't break the law, it will never change.

Weird statement. So before fox hunting became illegal how did I break the law about it to force it to be changed?
On a more traffic related note, so everyone caught speeding isn't in fact enriching the Government and encouraging them to put up more speed cameras, but staging an effective protest in getting speed limits removed?

I like the fox hunting legal example, I don't fox hunt. Never ridden a horse or equivalent since my cousins donkey bolted from the farm track onto a main road some 30 years with me still aboard. Then the fluffing thing dropped its head on the way back to the stable and ensured a face/tarmac interaction.

[hob]

Virtually all traffic offences don't go to county court with a jury, they are tried at magistrates court..

I was being generic wrt "Which laws to obey" rather than specific traffic offenses...



so everyone caught speeding isn't in fact enriching the Government and encouraging them to put up more speed cameras, but staging an effective protest in getting speed limits removed?

"Caught" is the key, if there was a "mass" protest, and the majority went out and purposely got caught (say 80%) daily that would be considered a protest, the system couldn't handle that sort of influx and I'm not sure what would happen....

Bear in mind that majority rules, they often classify or reclassify roads based on a percentile of speeds for that road (those two cables across the road hooked up to a box), if the average speed is greater than the current limit it will be changed if the percentile which most people use is greater than the current limit, it will be deemed "safe"....

If people obey a law (majority), why would they ever change it? They will keep encroaching on freedom until they reach a limit.


Weird statement. So before fox hunting became illegal how did I break the law about it to force it to be changed?

I think you have interpreted my statement a little more generically than it was intended, as above, if the majority accept the law passed it won't be changed, generation of a new law (fox hunting ban) is through majority rule.