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bampy
24-03-09, 09:14 AM
Hello everyone

I have just purchased the above from Pyramid Plastics and I have two options to attach it to my mudguard bonding or screwing it or both. I like the idea of bonding as there will be no screws visible. I have beem recommended to use Sikaflex 221 be it seems I will have to prime the items before I can apply the adhesive.

Anyone done this and what would you recommend.

timwilky
24-03-09, 09:19 AM
bond it.

I used ordinary epoxy resin, fit the extender against the fender and draw a line round it, use some emery/sandpaper etc to abrade the area marked out.

apply glue and use a couple of small G clamps to hold the assembly overnight.

Simples

vardypeeps
24-03-09, 10:50 AM
I used the glue but not to the same extent as timwilky and it started to fall off.
I removed it cleaned it up and used the screws instead but sprayed them black before installing it.

Respray SV
24-03-09, 07:57 PM
Use the screws - I've done this on two SV's now and never had any problems. I would suggest removing the entire mudguard first so you can accurately line up the extender to the original. Then put the original back on, then fit the extender.

maviczap
24-03-09, 08:10 PM
bond it.

I used ordinary epoxy resin, fit the extender against the fender and draw a line round it, use some emery/sandpaper etc to abrade the area marked out.

apply glue and use a couple of small G clamps to hold the assembly overnight.

Simples

+1 screws look naff, bond it. This the way I did it

dizzyblonde
24-03-09, 08:13 PM
I don't mind the screws in mine.,its not as if you stare at the mudguard for long....which reminds me, I still have to get the other one fitted with the extender in the kitchen

xXBADGERXx
24-03-09, 08:14 PM
I used Silicone sealant on mine then screwed it in place , I use my bike daily and did not want the chance of it stuttering like Gareth Gates in the rain on a dark and Stormy night . I may post the pics I did of this in a "how to" thread later on this week :)

maviczap
24-03-09, 08:19 PM
I used Silicone sealant on mine then screwed it in place , I use my bike daily and did not want the chance of it stuttering like Gareth Gates in the rain on a dark and Stormy night . I may post the pics I did of this in a "how to" thread later on this week :)

It would probably hold without the screws, as silcon sealant sticks better than that stuff to the bedsheets :p

plus its easy to get a nice finish with it, unlike Araldite. It cleans off nice and easy.

Top tip: couple of drops of washing up liquid with water, then use a finger with this to smooth it off. Gives that professional finish to silcon sealant

xXBADGERXx
24-03-09, 08:21 PM
The Silicone was only really to stop crap getting under the lip of the Fenda Extender and to provide a secondary bond :)

kwak zzr
24-03-09, 09:25 PM
i always screw mine.

maviczap
24-03-09, 09:26 PM
i always screw mine.

LOL :p

kwak zzr
24-03-09, 09:28 PM
:) well i do lol

Zen Beetle
24-03-09, 11:12 PM
I can recommend Silkaflex. When set it feels like rubber and so is excellent at absorbing shock and vibrations. I used the black so that any surplus would blend with the black of the fender extender. I tested its strength by bonding two pieces of plastic and when set I couldn't separate them. A more aesthetic and permanent solution than using screws.

maviczap
25-03-09, 10:46 AM
I can recommend Silkaflex. When set it feels like rubber and so is excellent at absorbing shock and vibrations. I used the black so that any surplus would blend with the black of the fender extender. I tested its strength by bonding two pieces of plastic and when set I couldn't separate them. A more aesthetic and permanent solution than using screws.

H'mm sounds sexy :-D

Zen Beetle
25-03-09, 05:58 PM
Rubber, vibrations, black, bonding; what was I thinking of! Perhaps my subconscious is trying to tell me something? Then again the very word Silkaflex is highly suggestive. ****, I'm digging a whole for myself here. Don't want to be banned for perverting the minds of younger, impressionable fellow members (and only on my 4th posting).

Razor
25-03-09, 07:02 PM
I use stainless steel pop rivets, I thought everybody did it this way?

maviczap
25-03-09, 07:09 PM
Now that's perverted :mrgreen:

Zen Beetle
25-03-09, 08:54 PM
Stainless steel pop rivets. Sounds painful!

Razor
25-03-09, 09:09 PM
it only hurts the first time

Zen Beetle
27-03-09, 10:27 PM
There's no gain without pain.

Miles
27-03-09, 11:15 PM
Bond. Do a search. Sod having rusty screws in your your mudguard.

xXBADGERXx
28-03-09, 05:59 AM
Bond. Do a search. Sod having rusty screws in your your mudguard.

Or I can send you some of the Stainless ones I used :)

Richie
28-03-09, 08:22 AM
007 it, Cloggsy did mine on his old SV front fender.... hasn't budged in 6 years....

sKiTz-0
07-08-10, 07:17 PM
007?

Razor
07-08-10, 07:39 PM
007?

bond

sKiTz-0
07-08-10, 07:48 PM
Ah, how very silly of me.

Here was me thinking it was some sort of brand of something to use. Not just good old James.

Anybody got any more suggestions/experience on this? I have araldite to hand so for me that would be the easiest way to go.

MattCollins
08-08-10, 01:47 AM
Stainless steel pop rivets.

Ditto... with a washer behind it.

A bit of PU windscreen sealant is far superior to silicon - Sikaflex can be either. Epoxy isn't flexible enough IMO.

independentphoto
08-08-10, 11:02 PM
Sikaflex on mine for a few years now and all the salt that Scottish winters throw at it. That stiff is specifically made for external automotive use and does a great job.

Garry

barwel1992
09-08-10, 01:01 AM
man glue

....... just saying

The Guru
09-08-10, 08:31 AM
man glue

....... just saying

Theres something seriously wrong with you if your gona:toss: over your bike.



(http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=134585&highlight=fender)Evostik (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=134585)

barwel1992
09-08-10, 09:09 AM
haha i was joking although there could be some strange people that would

The Guru
09-08-10, 10:15 AM
haha i was joking...

I don't believe you.

barwel1992
09-08-10, 10:16 AM
fine dont then ;)

MattCollins
09-08-10, 10:36 AM
Sikaflex on mine for a few years now and all the salt that Scottish winters throw at it. That stiff is specifically made for external automotive use and does a great job.

Garry

Not saying otherwise ;), their products are hard to fault if used in accordance with manufacturers recommendations for applications, just that Sikaflex is a brand name with a multitude of different products that can be anything. You don't happen to have the specific product name or number?

The stuff that I used was Bostik 70-08A SMP (not PU) adhesive.

hongman
09-08-10, 10:48 AM
I screwed mine, but I got it the day before the AR and needed it on and ready, didnt want wet plug syndrome.

Given the time though I would rather have tried bonding it, just looks neater.

Although I dont really look at it all that much! Forget its there.

Razor
09-08-10, 11:14 AM
I screwed mine,

snigger :D

hongman
09-08-10, 11:15 AM
lol.

AND I ENJOYED SCREWING IT, 4 TIMES BACK TO BACK!

Razor
09-08-10, 11:17 AM
now you're just exaggerating ;)

hongman
09-08-10, 11:23 AM
Not really.

There were 4 screws, which I did one after the other, and I enjoyed doing it.

;)

independentphoto
09-08-10, 11:28 AM
Can't recall exactly which product I used since it's been disposed of after passing its shelf life. A look on the web suggests Sikaflex 255 these days. There are all sorts of exterior grade adhesives with some kind of elasticity that would no-doubt suit this application. I know that mine isn't going anywhere and that's good for me.

Cheers,

Garry

sKiTz-0
09-08-10, 09:39 PM
Cheers guys, still not got round to doing it yet, but must priorotise if this weeks weather report is anything to go by!

Steve_God
10-08-10, 11:14 AM
I went for the sticky pads + screws - can never be too sure ;)

Meoc
07-02-11, 01:23 PM
I've gone for gluing. Bolts just look awful in my opinion.

I used BISON Bisonite (or Power Adhesive as it is called in my country).
http://www.bison.net/en/products/647-2-components-adhesives/product/1446-power-adhesive-bisonite/

It looks very sturdy right now but I'll have to run it for a few hundred miles and then update if it sticks OK.

Cheers :)

Meoc
02-07-11, 10:19 PM
Having made a little more than 4000 kilometers with the glued fenda extenda I can say it holds on perfectly :-)

Stonesie
04-07-11, 01:43 PM
5,500 miles on a glued fenda extenda (tiger seal) and no signs of it moving.

Kirkybhoy
05-07-11, 12:26 PM
Sticky pads & screwed it (but could only manage twice back to back;))

Stig
05-07-11, 12:30 PM
Glue & Screw.

muddydude
06-07-11, 03:13 PM
mines screwed n its never moved yet . ;-)

Mark-SV-UK
17-01-14, 05:24 PM
Has anyone tried gorilla glue (waterproof) adhesive for fender extender?

NTECUK
17-01-14, 06:44 PM
The gorilla glue is a bit ott.
We use silicon on the roof spoilers of the demo cars. They are fine
Preparation is the key

andrewsmith
17-01-14, 06:44 PM
Araldite and 2 g clamps,

Sent from my ST25i using Tapatalk 2

Mark-SV-UK
17-01-14, 06:46 PM
What you mean ott will it work as its a lil cheaper than sikaflex and tigerseal? What name of stuff you use? I just dont want it dropping off. And screws would just spoil the carbon fibre mudguard

maviczap
17-01-14, 07:36 PM
The gorilla glue is a bit ott.
We use silicon on the roof spoilers of the demo cars. They are fine
Preparation is the key

+1 on the silcon sealant, done it on more than one mudguard, you get a good finish & its easy to clean off

Araldite and 2 g clamps,

Sent from my ST25i using Tapatalk 2

Did this on one, but bloomin difficult to clean up araldite

Just sayin ;)

kaivalagi
17-01-14, 08:17 PM
+1 on the silcon sealant, done it on more than one mudguard, you get a good finish & its easy to clean off

Another vote for silicon sealant! Worked fine on the SV when I had that and again on the SM-T...just remove the mudguard/fender first before doing the obvious

NTECUK
17-01-14, 09:42 PM
Gorilla glue was about £10 for 250 ml.
A tube of silicon was 99p
Ok Mr Joe Public that might be £1.50
Plus gorilla is runny thin and a heart ach to use.
Silly is alot more forgiving

Mark-SV-UK
17-01-14, 09:45 PM
What just normal bathroom silicone. Really wow

I found gorilla glue for 6.00

NTECUK
17-01-14, 09:54 PM
What just normal bathroom silicone. Really wow

I found gorilla glue for 6.00

It's not stated as bathroom glue. It's for general sealing.
Oh and gator glue expands when it cures so on a roof spoiler it has every chance of going Tits up real easy.

Mark-SV-UK
17-01-14, 09:59 PM
So what are we saying is best all round then guys ???? And product name would be great as well

maviczap
17-01-14, 10:01 PM
I just used normal silcon sealant from Homebase, clamp it in place until its cured.

Its stickier than sticky stuff

NTECUK
17-01-14, 10:05 PM
Dow coring 799
It will allow flex so the front guard can flex

Tomor
17-01-14, 10:37 PM
I used this (http://www.toolstation.com/shop/Adhesives+Sealants/Grab+Adhesive/Stixall+Adhesive+Sealant+290ml+Clear/d180/sd3199/p77137)
Left it to cure overnight clamped in place, and ever moved in a year I had it on.

NTECUK
17-01-14, 11:36 PM
I stuck an X trail spoiler on with
http://www.sealantsandtoolsdirect.co.uk/adhesives/marine__auto_and_specialist_adhesives_LC2576/everbuild_stixall_colour_hybrid_sealant_adhesive_c 3_300ml_P23334.html
It only needed masking tape and was solid next day

Ginger500
20-01-14, 10:01 PM
I bonded my fender extender and its hasn't budged !! I was considering whether to crew it, rivet it or bond !! Now i have bonded it I will never consider doing anything different!!

I used Tiger Seal

Mark-SV-UK
20-01-14, 10:08 PM
Well thanks to a couple of you I went for stixall. Lets wait and see ;-) cheers guys

SIII
20-01-14, 10:16 PM
Mudguard off, drilled and bolted with some nice black anodised dome head bolts either side and then black silicone to stop crud coming thru', 23k and no problems.