Is it legal...?

[davepreston]

to pick up a bike in ni and ride it to a mot center in england (same day) i know you can ride a bike to the mot place without one as long as thats where your directly going or is my idea takin the mick

[DarrenSV650S]

Is it taxed and insured? Remember to book it in at the mot place

[davepreston]

insured yes and it will be booked in at my mot place but u cant tax till mot done

[DarrenSV650S]

You'd be pretty unlucky to get stopped unless you were doing something stupid. I'd go for it. But I don't know if it's ok
Can't see why not though. There's no rule about the mot place being the closest possible place is there

[davepreston]

not as far as im aware it 30 mile to larne, boat to fleetwood 25 to garstang (mot place)

[DarrenSV650S]

Hang on, why are you taking it there anyway?

[dizzyblonde]

no tax...if you get unfortunately on a camera you be for the high jump

[davepreston]

i bought the bike in ni last week its no mot or tax and live in preston, present for wife

[dizzyblonde]

you haven't registered it to you yet?

[davepreston]

bought and paid for, picking it up doing docs coming back

[Ping]

Can you get it MOTed there before you bring it back to Blighty?

[Lozzo]

Can you get it MOTed there before you bring it back to Blighty?

Precisely what I was thinking.

[fizzwheel]

I know you can ride a bike to the mot place without one as long as thats where your directly going or is my idea takin the mick

I dont think you are allowed to do that anymore, government or DVLA have changed that and you need Tax, MOT & Insurance to ride on the road.

I'm not 100% sure though.

[Ch00]

Taken from Direct.gov.uk


The need for an MOT certificate

It is generally an offence to use on a public road, a vehicle of testable age that doesn’t have a current test certificate, except when:

taking it to a test station for a test booked in advance
bringing it away from a test station after it has failed the test, to a place of repair
taking it to or bringing it away from a place where, by previous arrangement, repairs are to be made or have been made to fix the problems that caused the vehicle to fail its test
Even in the above circumstances you may still be prosecuted for driving an unroadworthy vehicle if it doesn’t comply with various regulations affecting its construction and use. Also, the insurance may not be valid.
It is your responsibility as the vehicle owner to ensure that the due MOT test is carried out in time. Please use the peel off reminder sticker on the front of the MOT certificate and put it in a place where you’ll be reminded of the expiry date, like the sun visor or the back of the tax disc holder facing inside the vehicle.

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/OwningAVehicle/Mot/DG_4022108

Ch00

[appollo1]

why not only agree to buy the bike with a current MOT?

what if it fails badly? just a thought.

you can ride to a MOT centre to get a MOT done as long as it is prebooked, the bike is insured and you go directly to the test centre.

IMO considering the distance you are travelling to buy the bike i would make sure it had a current MOT.

[Swin]

I thought the same as the post about driving to a pre-booked MOT station being allowable, but I'm not sure the distance you intend to travel to get the MOT would be classed as reasonable. I should think that if you did get stopped the first question from the police would be to ask how many MOT stations you had to drive past to get to the one you booked at!

[davepreston]

2 belfast and fecelton but it takes 2 weeks to book a mot back home its not like here the goverment do it not just a mechanic

[Leopard_lily]

My husband has a bike trailer????

[davepreston]

cheers but this is a cage free house lol

[Dave20046]

insured yes and it will be booked in at my mot place but u cant tax till mot done
I'd go for it, get it booked in. I've done far worse.

[Dave20046]

cheers but this is a cage free house lol
where do you keep mrs giggles then? :confused:

[yorkie_chris]

I doubt you will have a problem provided you are booked in at an MOT station. NI plates, are they even on the ANPR system?

However, I don't know about getting it to the boat on the other side.



no tax...if you get unfortunately on a camera you be for the high jump

No, he is allowed to take it to an MOT station.

[jimmy4237]

Bear in mind that any bike registered in N.I is under the DVNLI system, and won't appear on the DVLA system, so you can't MOT or TAX it in the DVLA catchment area UNTIL you register the bike with the DVLA.

A mate of mine recently bought a car in Belfast, and brought it back over to Glasgow. He went to the DVLA office in Glasgow to try and tax it, and was told it was not possible until he had dealt with the re-registration hassle from the DVNLI system to the DVLA system, but you can apply to keep the north irish number plate. They are dateless, so hide the age of any vehicle perfectly...

You could MOT and tax the bike whilst its still under the north irish system. Then just bring the bike over and transfer the paperwork..

Any vehicle registered in NI doesn't even appear on the DVLA ANPR camera database. Do an online DVLA tax query on any north irish truck and you'll see it doesn't exist, despite having a UK tax disc!!!!! So you're safe from the average speed cameras too.... another reason to keep the bike registered in NI!!!!!!

[Milky Bar Kid]

Bear in mind that any bike registered in N.I is under the DVNLI system, and won't appear on the DVLA system, so you can't MOT or TAX it in the DVLA catchment area UNTIL you register the bike with the DVLA.

A mate of mine recently bought a car in Belfast, and brought it back over to Glasgow. He went to the DVLA office in Glasgow to try and tax it, and was told it was not possible until he had dealt with the re-registration hassle from the DVNLI system to the DVLA system, but you can apply to keep the north irish number plate. They are dateless, so hide the age of any vehicle perfectly...

You could MOT and tax the bike whilst its still under the north irish system. Then just bring the bike over and transfer the paperwork..

Any vehicle registered in NI doesn't even appear on the DVLA ANPR camera database. Do an online DVLA tax query on any north irish truck and you'll see it doesn't exist, despite having a UK tax disc!!!!! So you're safe from the average speed cameras too.... another reason to keep the bike registered in NI!!!!!!


Tut tut Jimmy! It's weel seen ur a lorry driver! Next time your in Stranraer am gannae set the Traffic boys on ye! ;)

[bris]

Never mind.

[Stu]

why not only agree to buy the bike with a current MOT?

what if it fails badly? just a thought.

you can ride to a MOT centre to get a MOT done as long as it is prebooked, the bike is insured and you go directly to the test centre.

IMO considering the distance you are travelling to buy the bike i would make sure it had a current MOT.
:???: What if the bike is £1K below market value because it doesn't have an MOT :???:

[Grant66]

Insurance; would they pay out if the bike got bent whilst riding it to the MOT station? I doubt it.

Your likely to get away with it from a 'will I get caught' sense, but if you look at the worst case only you can decide if its worth the risk.

[GOZA]

the law about u can ride to a mot station is that it has to be the nearest one to your home address .

[GOZA]

so if your no were near your hoome and you get pulled saying im on my way to the mot station the copper will just laugh at you

[jimmy__riddle]

the law about u can ride to a mot station is that it has to be the nearest one to your home address .

that not what the police told me when i asked.

as longs as its booked in and you dont take the mick (up to police)

[ricky]

wouldnt you do better hiring a van out for the day do it that way??

[Dave20046]

so if your no were near your hoome and you get pulled saying im on my way to the mot station the copper will just laugh at you
Not really though coz if he books it to the one nearest his home address then technically that's legal.

[Dan]

the law about u can ride to a mot station is that it has to be the nearest one to your home address .

Cobblers.

I have been pulled over whilst driving a classic car from home to the MOT station as I had no VED or MOT, and the MOT station was thirty five miles from home, with tens of others between home and there.

Policeman wasn't bothered WHERE it was booked in, so long as it was, and there were no obvious issues which made the vehicle unroadworthy and therefore likely to fail.

Plus, if you weren't going from home to the MOT station, why would the nearest to home help? You might have to travel two hundred miles from where your bike WAS to where it's getting MOT'd near your home.

[davepreston]

well plan is the bloke thats selling me the bike is transporting it to larne (van) and i'll ride it on the boat off and straight to the mot place and the docs wont be in my name yet so its all gravy :)
as for the bike being really cheap the guy has failed his test 9 times so his neighbour my cousin said to him i'd take it of his hands dave my cos has giving the bike a proper look over and quick ride and says its mint so im a happy teddy

[BillyC]

Personally I think this is taking the micky a bit... technically I think you can only ride without an MOT if you're going to a close reasonable test centre, to a pre-booked appointment.

However... I've done quite a lot of riding without an MOT, due to my poor memory and planning, so I wouldn't worry if you think you're okay with the risk.

[GOZA]

the law and what coppers do are to diffrent things . you lot should know this by now.

[Dan]

the law and what coppers do are to diffrent things . you lot should know this by now.

You might be right. Can you let us know the legislation and applicable clauses?

[petevtwin650]

Personally, I think a cop would just laugh at your excuse.

Firstly, unless your timing is impeccable, you will not be riding to a pre booked MOT but to home then onto the MOT later. Secondly the deal used to be, reasonable distance, because your bike could be potentially lethal, and a short distance minimises the risks, plus giving the distance you have to cover I'm assuming you won't keep your speed down, thus increasing the risk.

Lastly, how do you know the bike is in fact roadworthy?

Like others have said , I too have ridden a bike that has a lapsed MOT, but was secure in the knowledge that it was safe, although no defence if I'd have been pulled of course.

Best of luck. :cool:

[ryanh1418]

You're exempt from both tax and mot if going to or from a pre-booked mot test. The only question, as demonstrated by how much debate it's generated here, is are you taking the **** by travelling so far. No one's come up with a definite answer yet but it's a good point made by petevtwin re the timings. However, nothing is mentioned about any limitation of distance in the legislation.

Here's the key bits of it direct from the police national legal database anyway:

Regulations 6(2) and 6(3) of the Motor Vehicle (Test) Regulations 1981 provides a list of exemptions for vehicles that should have an MOT certificate, but can be used on a road without one in certain circumstances. Provisions exist for vehicles which do not need to be taxed in similar circumstances.

6(2) Pursuant to section 47(6) of the Road Traffic Act 1988 the Secretary of State hereby exempts from section 47(1) the use of a vehicle (that is of a type that should normally have an MOT certificate)

(a) as follows

(i) for the purpose of submitting it by previous arrangement for, or bringing it away from, an MOT examination, or

(ii) in the course of an MOT examination, for the purpose of taking it to, or bringing it away from, any place where a part of the examination is to be or, as the case may be, has been, carried out, or of carrying out any part of the examination, the person so using it being either

(A) an MOT examiner, or a Ministry Inspector or an inspector appointed by a designated council, or
(B) a person acting under the personal direction of an examiner, a Ministry Inspector or a designated Council, or

(iii) where a test certificate is refused on an examination

(A) for the purpose of delivering it by previous arrangement at, or bringing it away from, a place where work is to be or has been done on it to remedy for a further examination the defects on the ground of which the test certificate was refused; or
(B) for the purpose of delivering it, by towing it, to a place where the vehicle is to be broken up;

(b) for any purpose for which the vehicle is authorised to be used on roads by an order under section 44 (an order allowing special vehicles on the road);

(c) where the vehicle has been imported into Great Britain, for the purpose of its being driven after arrival in Great Britain on the journey from the place where it has arrived in Great Britain to a place of residence of the owner or driver of the vehicle;




Schedule 2 of the Vehicle Excise and Registration Act 1994 provides definitions of certain exempt vehicles (from having tax) where they are to be used for testing purposes.Similar provisions exist allowing vehicles to be exempt from a test certificate (MOT).
A vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of:

(a) submitting it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) for a compulsory test, a vehicle identity check, a vehicle weight test or a reduced pollution test, or
(b) bringing it away from such a test or check.

Note: The driver is allowed to stop on the way for petrol or cigarettes (Williams v Richards 1997).

A vehicle is an exempt vehicle when it is being used solely for the purpose of:

(a) taking it (by previous arrangement for a specified time on a specified date) for a relevant re-examination, or
(b) bringing it away from such a re-examination.

[yorkie_chris]

So the law doesn't say anything about it!

I reckon so long as you're not taking the mick with your riding then you'll be fine.

[yorkie_chris]

Note: The driver is allowed to stop on the way for petrol or cigarettes (Williams v Richards 1997).

"I hope you were only purchasing a pack of L+B in there sonny jim. What's that, a mars bar?... see you in court..."

[Grant66]

(c) where the vehicle has been imported into Great Britain, for the purpose of its being driven after arrival in Great Britain on the journey from the place where it has arrived in Great Britain to a place of residence of the owner or driver of the vehicle;

So in Dave's case he doesn't even need to have a pre aranged MOT test.

[Dave20046]

So in Dave's case he doesn't even need to have a pre aranged MOT test.
Nice find....although he did it regardless :mrgreen: