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Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 01:42 PM
Dropped the bloody thing, and i'm fuming!
It was a bit jerky so i asked me dad to read the throttle position sensor thread and we did it this morning, i said we should have printed the instruction out and he said he knew what he was doing, had a feeling it was wrong!!
Well it must have been coz it was more jerky and i've dropped the bloody thing! Nearly lost my head to a car and had several cars drive round me!!!!!!!!
A nice bloke stopped and helped me pick it up!
Wanna sell the flippin thing now, I well and truely give up, I'm in agony and i know after putting the throttle sensor right, i ain't gonna wanna take it out again!
Welcome to the "real biker" club.
I felt exactly the same after dropping mine into the bush in my front garden. When I was pushing it!
plowsie
05-04-09, 01:51 PM
Exactly WTF have/was done to make it jerky? Its a feckin twin, it will be jerky!
There is a rounded thing on the bars, which by the way, looks like you struggle to reach, that actually controls the jerkiness, its called a throttle.
Sorry to hear of your off though. Never nice.
husky03
05-04-09, 01:51 PM
get up, dust youself down and get back on-you need miles under your belt to get your confidence up mrs-your feeling a wee bit sorry for yourself-get back on and just ride the bloody thing:)
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 01:53 PM
Exactly WTF have/was done to make it jerky? Its a feckin twin, it will be jerky!
There is a rounded thing on the bars, which by the way, looks like you struggle to reach, that actually controls the jerkiness, its called a throttle.
Sorry to hear of your off though. Never nice.
ERH did the throttle postion sensor adjustment thats on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But obviously incorrect! I'll do it meself next time!
Theres no need to be rude! Its the bloody throttle thats jerky!!!!!!!
rictus01
05-04-09, 01:56 PM
Ruth you trying to hard in the wrong way, now obviously I've no idea what you and your dad did to the tps, but given what you've previously posted, the most important thing you need is experiance.
I hope you haven't hurt yourself greatly a few bumps and bruises are a small price to pay if you learn from them, with experiance the roughest of engines can be made rideable with clutch control, had you had it, you would have test rode the bike and returned home to say " no that's worse" and carried on from there, however because you're still getting comfortable with the basics, it obviouslt had more effect.
Get you Dad to put the tps right, or at least back to what it was,then LEAVE IT ALONE, in fact don't change anything else on the bike and just get used to what it is and comfortable with controlling it, that's not going to happen if you keep changing stuff :smt102 .
rest up and don't take the bike out again until you're in the right mood, then just ride it, get some miles in for a few weeks at least, bit harsh perhaps, but nothing you do now to the bike is going to make as much difference as road mileage.
Hopefully this is just a p1ssed off/ "it's just happened" reaction, and once you stop hurting you feel better about it.
Cheers Mark.
Ive had to ride a TLS that had a wiring loom problem which cut the engine out for fractions of a second making the bike jerk around and a couple of times wheelie when i realy did not want it to, but covering the clutch i was able to ride the bike.
Get it sorted and get him to ride it before you do. As rictus said, pickyrself up and try again, if everyone stopped riding after the first accident there would be hardly any bikes on the road.
As my instructor said when i learnt, if you dont accept the the possability of crashing once... leave now, it will happen and it will hurt, its a fact of biking.
plowsie
05-04-09, 02:09 PM
ERH did the throttle postion sensor adjustment thats on here!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But obviously incorrect! I'll do it meself next time!
Theres no need to be rude! Its the bloody throttle thats jerky!!!!!!!
I can guarantee in the first place that your bike was normal until you fecked about with it, honestly reading that thread on here, there was something in my mind that said that's causing the jerkiness. But the TPS mod AFAIAA actually just stops a minor hesitationbetween 1st and 2nd.
As said, get out learn to use the clutch, get some experience and it will become normal.
Excuse me if I was perceived as rude, I however couldn't give a toss, I have read some of yuour other threads and been amazed.
speedplay
05-04-09, 02:22 PM
I have to agree on this one.
Stop p*ssing about with your bike and just get out and ride it.
If I sound harsh, sorry but it was bound to happen.
Everyone falls of at some point, not everyone moans and butchers a bike so much or messes about with things that they dont understand before they have even taken the thing on the road.
Get over it, It happens.
Sorry to hear of your spill, its all a learning curve Im afraid, get back on and give it another go, you,ll be fine.
speedplay
05-04-09, 02:37 PM
Its the bloody throttle thats jerky!!!!!!!
I think the real problem will be between the throttle and the seat.
I think the real problem will be between the throttle and the seat.
Fuel tank ? :)
speedplay
05-04-09, 02:45 PM
Fuel tank ? :)
Dont!!
That wil be the next thread! ;)
"how do I lower my fuel tank...?"
Dont!!
That wil be the next thread! ;)
"how do I lower my fuel tank...?"
:D
plowsie
05-04-09, 02:48 PM
Dont!!
That wil be the next thread! ;)
"how do I lower my fuel tank...?"
So naughty...
so right
Mr Speirs
05-04-09, 02:51 PM
Jeez why is everyone being so hostile?
V-twin engines are Jerky to the inexperienced rider and it takes time to refine your riding to learn blipping smooth out down changes and setting your throttle position to give you neutral speed round the corners.
It does take time. As others have said I don't think there was anything wrong with the bike in the first place so get it set back to what it was and start riding the bike.
The SV is a lot harder to ride than something like a GS500 but much more rewarding when you start riding it smoothly. That said if you really can't get on with a V-Twin maybe you should think about changing to something with a smoother engine?
That said if you really can't get on with a V-Twin maybe you should think about changing to something with a smoother engine?
http://physiology.usouthal.edu/mbvmc/di2003/yianitsas%20ct70.jpg
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 02:53 PM
I can guarantee in the first place that your bike was normal until you fecked about with it, honestly reading that thread on here, there was something in my mind that said that's causing the jerkiness. But the TPS mod AFAIAA actually just stops a minor hesitationbetween 1st and 2nd.
As said, get out learn to use the clutch, get some experience and it will become normal.
Excuse me if I was perceived as rude, I however couldn't give a toss, I have read some of yuour other threads and been amazed.
And why is that???
We have printed the instruction off and followed it step by step! So it should be ok!
I don't understand what setting it at 1450rpm does mine was originally set at 3k!
Just seems quite close between idle at 1200 and 1450rpm? But the instructions have been followed and double checked so hopefully all should be good!
And as someone said I can't get my dad to try it first, unfortunatly he doesn't have a license!
Leopard_lily
05-04-09, 02:54 PM
Now now boys :)
As already said though you need to get miles under your belt girl - what I did, my first bike was one that cost me something like £450 and was something I didn't give a poop about. that way I didn't care if I dropped it and I did TWICE but I just got back on and I rode and rode that until i was confident enough in my riding to buy something decent. Obviously each bike is different to ride but with confidence already there knowing I am actually capable of riding - it was just then about familiarising myself with a new bike rather than being nervous of smacking up my new bike, If you are frightened of the bike then it'll hinder your learning, your shoulders will be hunched up to your ears and you'll be gripping onto that steering for dear life - no good at all eh it's just a confidence thing and the more riding you do the more confidence you'll get.
plowsie
05-04-09, 02:57 PM
And why is that???
We have printed the instruction off and followed it step by step! So it should be ok!
I don't understand what setting it at 1450rpm does mine was originally set at 3k!
Just seems quite close between idle at 1200 and 1450rpm? But the instructions have been followed and double checked so hopefully all should be good!
And as someone said I can't get my dad to try it first, unfortunatly he doesn't have a license!
Haha, this has made me laugh, read your first post...
See the contradiction?
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 02:59 PM
Dont!!
That wil be the next thread! ;)
"how do I lower my fuel tank...?"
Well thats helpfull! Theres no need to take the p*ss! If you ain't got anything helpful to say, shut up!
I'm asking for help and advice, ok maybe i ask to many questions but I struggle!
Maybe you'll say then i shouldn't be riding! Maybe thats right, but least i'm giving it a go!
Thank you to eveyone who has made a worthwhile reply!
Why not get hold of a few riders from your area and go and have a bimble one sunday morning, just take your time and go at your own pace, you,ll have your knee down before you know it ;)
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 03:02 PM
Haha, this has made me laugh, read your first post...
See the contradiction?
What you on about!
Coz i said after putting the throttle position sensor right??????????
What is wrong with doing the adjustment, I've read the thread that was posted on HERE and everyone who did recommeneded it and said it made the bike smoother!!!!!!!!!!!
WHATS THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!
speedplay
05-04-09, 03:06 PM
Well thats helpfull! Theres no need to take the p*ss! If you ain't got anything helpful to say, shut up!
I did give advice, kind and helpfull and even offered to ride from Northampton to go out with you to make sure you were ok if you remember?
I also said that you should stop p*ssing about with your bike and just ride it.
Remember that comment?
I'm asking for help and advice, ok maybe i ask to many questions but I struggle!
You have got loads of threads on here asking for advice, some of which have about 100 replys but you always seem to ignore the advice of other more experienced riders and do what you want anyway.
Maybe you'll say then i shouldn't be riding! Maybe thats right, but least i'm giving it a go!
I have never said you shouldnt be riding.
See above comment.
Thank you to eveyone who has made a worthwhile reply!
Sorry if you think this is being hostile, but its an open forum.
If you dont like other peoples replys dont post a "woe is me ive fallen off my bike, look at me and give me attention" thread.
speedplay
05-04-09, 03:07 PM
Why not get hold of a few riders from your area and go and have a bimble one sunday morning, just take your time and go at your own pace, you,ll have your knee down before you know it ;)
By the sounds of it, thats already happened...followed by the rest of her...
dizzyblonde
05-04-09, 03:07 PM
ok, I never thought that lowering to such an extreme and faffing with your new bike was ever going to help you in the long run. When you put up the thread about the dogbones etc a month or so ago, I tried diplomatically to put constructve posts across, in the hope of helping.
You went away, and obviously thought about what was said, developed your bike further and came back and announced yesterday you'd been out, a short ride, and found it ok, you even told us about the sidestand. I thought great, the girls has finally got it, shes comfy, shes getting on with it, it'll come together.
WHY the hell did you have to go faffing some more? I'm sure I mentioned in a post that fuel injection models have a slight jerkiness, and even myself have accelerated by accident with a momentary lapse in concentration, on my curvies.
Ruth I really think, your putting obstacles in the way of your progress. Sorry you fell off, we've all done it, at varying degrees of fall off too.
The guys on here may sound a little harsh, but they are all nice guys, and can be blunt and straight to the point, just read and digest it, don't take it personally as in a way they really are trying to help you
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 03:11 PM
Sorry if you think this is being hostile, but its an open forum.
If you dont like other peoples replys dont post a "woe is me ive fallen off my bike, look at me and give me attention" thread.
Yes i do remember you offering help and do appreciate that!
But it wasn't an 'attention' seeking thread!!! I'm gutted thats all! My point being stop making me feel worse, for gods sake!
speedplay
05-04-09, 03:14 PM
Yes i do remember you offering help and do appreciate that!
But it wasn't an 'attention' seeking thread!!! I'm gutted thats all! My point being stop making me feel worse, for gods sake!
If i wanted to make you feel worse I would have said "stop riding bikes, your rubbish and are wasting road surface that other people have to use"
Deal with it, your not a child.
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 03:15 PM
ok, I never thought that lowering and faffing with your new bike was ever going to help you in the long run. When you put up the thread about the dogbones etc a month or so ago, I tried diplomatically to put constructve posts across, in the hope of helping.
You went away, and obviously thought about what was said, developed your bike further and came back and announced yesterday you'd been out, a short ride, and found it ok, you even told us about the sidestand. I thought great, the girls has finally got it, shes comfy, shes getting on with it, it'll come together.
WHY the hell did you have to go faffing some more? I'm sure I mentioned in a post that fuel injection models have a slight jerkiness, and even myself have accelerated by accident with a momentary lapse in concentration, on my curvies.
Ruth I really think, your putting obstacles in the way of your progress. Sorry you fell off, we've all done it, at varying degrees of fall off too.
The guys on here may sound a little harsh, but they are all nice guys, and can be blunt and straight to the point, just read and digest it, don't take it personally as in a way they really are trying to help you
Yup i get what your saying, but i read that so many people had done the adjustment and found the result where brilliant, lot smoother e.t.c!
And i was struggling with the jerkiness especially at low speeds and obviously not having much foot on the floor, made it worse as i had nothing to control the bike!
So many people said how well it worked so thought it would be good!
It may not even have been that, that caused it, and i'm sure the lowering has nothing to do with dropping it at low speed!
I do appreciate everyones opinon just feel like everyone was ripping me!!!
dont worry about Mr Plowsie,he has been known to run over his own feet.;)
dizzyblonde
05-04-09, 03:21 PM
Yup i get what your saying, but i read that so many people had done the adjustment and found the result where brilliant, lot smoother e.t.c!
And i was struggling with the jerkiness especially at low speeds and obviously not having much foot on the floor, made it worse as i had nothing to control the bike!
So many people said how well it worked so thought it would be good!
It may not even have been that, that caused it, and i'm sure the lowering has nothing to do with dropping it at low speed!
I do appreciate everyones opinon just feel like everyone was ripping me!!!
The thing about a lot of these so called modifications is that they are done generally by people who have been riding a while and are comfortable in progressing further. Personally I don't touch anything on my bikes unless I am confident in doing so (you have one up on me having mechanical experience :-) ) I do have YC close by, and Im Indoors when he can be bothered, to mull over things I wish to do. I don't faff with anything that is going to hinder me in the long run.
At the moment you appear to be trying to run before you walk, huni, I think you really need to take a deeeeeeeeeeeep breath, and seriously sit back and think about what your doing before going any further. I'm not saying '' give up, give up now'' I'm just saying you really are trying way too hard right now.....and I don't think its helping your cause.:thumleft:
phil24_7
05-04-09, 03:22 PM
dont worry about Mr Plowsie,he has been known to run over his own feet.;)
And fall off more times than I've ridden!!
plowsie
05-04-09, 03:24 PM
I suppose it comes to the point 'if I told you set yourself on fire in a petrol station, its great...' You gonna do it?
I suppose it comes to the point 'if I told you set yourself on fire in a petrol station, its great...' You gonna do it?
Didnt know you,d done that mate :confused: er... how was it ? :smt025
dirtsk8
05-04-09, 03:28 PM
I threw my last bike up the road at 60mph en-route to a track day. The bike in question was my first fuel injected twin and only had 600 miles on the clock. Like you, a few car drivers just drove round me and one even beeped his horn and told me to not lie in the road as I was in his way. I limped to the side of the road, picked the bike up and phoned my wife. I said I'd come off the bike and was a bit shaken. She told me I had two choices: Limp home at 40 mph, put the bike in the garage and never ride it again or get my ass up to the track day and just put it out of my mind.
I chose the latter option and I'm so glad I did. That was in 2004 and I've been biking non-stop since.
Just get back on and do your thing. It would be a real shame to quit now after all this time.
Paul
I threw my last bike up the road at 60mph en-route to a track day. The bike in question was my first fuel injected twin and only had 600 miles on the clock. Like you, a few car drivers just drove round me and one even beeped his horn and told me to not lie in the road as I was in his way. I limped to the side of the road, picked the bike up and phoned my wife. I said I'd come off the bike and was a bit shaken. She told me I had two choices: Limp home at 40 mph, put the bike in the garage and never ride it again or get my ass up to the track day and just put it out of my mind.
I chose the latter option and I'm so glad I did. That was in 2004 and I've been biking non-stop since.
Just get back on and do your thing. It would be a real shame to quit now after all this time.
Paul
:notworthy: ;)
Dave20046
05-04-09, 03:33 PM
just gotta jump back on and give it another go.
hope your feelin a bit better
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 03:35 PM
Thank you Dirtsk8 and dizzyblonde appreciated!
Plowsie - Pointless post; makes me feel more of a ****!
dont worry about Mr Plowsie,he has been known to run over his own feet.;)
I'm sorry Plowsie, but I couldn't help wetting myself laughing with that comment. You know we loves you really. :smt055
Ruth, the following theory is dumbed down (because I'm dumb :) )... I'm sure one of the techies will get picky about my wording shortly. :)
The TPS controls the fuelling change at low revs. Essentially, when the TPS says so, there's a little more fuel squirted into the cylinders. This is what can cause the jerkiness.
When it's set inaccurately, what essentially happens is that you open the throttle, and get x volume of fuel in the cylinders. By the time the TPS kicks in (at say 3k RPM - a common value for even new bikes), you will probably have the clutch out at least beyond biting point, and the TPS tells the ECU to add a little extra fuel. Heypresto the bike tries to lunge forward a little.
When that lunge happens, most riders (especially newer ones) would instinctively shut the throttle. I'm not saying you did any of this, but it's what can happen. What should happen, is feathering the clutch.
With the TPS adjusted to kick in (when the line moves in dealer service mode) at 1450RPM, there's less of a time difference between fuelling changes, and you're more likely to have the clutch held in more, so the jerking is naturally controlled as you let the clutch out.
Having said all that, I have serious doubts that the TPS adjustment (or is it a mod, I forget, Sid? :D) would have caused the bike to be more jerky, even if it was done wrongly. It would however alter the timing of those jerks, to something you wouldn't be familiar with.
HTH.
Now children, play nicely....
dizzyblonde
05-04-09, 03:42 PM
When that lunge happens, most riders (especially newer ones) would instinctively ...
Quick everyone he mentioned the 'L' word..smile for the camera:jocolor:
Baph...the end of the couch muttered something like that too:smt023
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 03:43 PM
Cheers Baph! With you on that now!
The jerkiness also happened it all speeds when going over bumps e.t.c maybe i was holding the throttle to tight!!
I'm not sure the dropping was related to the 'adjustment' we made as it all happen so fast i can't remember what actually happend!
I was at a junction, stopped and wanted to turn right which i hate doing as i have no leg that side ( I have leaned to much to the left before and just corrected it with my leg) i did what ya do with the throttle and clutch, i remember moving slightly forward, dont' know weather the bike tipped to much or what but went down enough for my right leg to touch the floor and try and save it.... and failed! I really don't know what happened. just feels lke when going left ya control the lean with your foot and going right i can't do this!
plowsie
05-04-09, 03:44 PM
More so, I've also been known to stay on a bike :shock:
Cheers Baph! With you on that now!
The jerkiness also happened it all speeds when going over bumps e.t.c maybe i was holding the throttle to tight!!
I'm not sure the dropping was related to the 'adjustment' we made as it all happen so fast i can't remember what actually happend!
I was at a junction, stopped and wanted to turn right which i hate doing as i have no leg that side ( I have leaned to much to the left before and just corrected it with my leg) i did what ya do with the throttle and clutch, i remember moving slightly forward, dont' know weather the bike tipped to much or what but went down enough for my right leg to touch the floor and try and save it.... and failed! I really don't know what happened. just feels lke when going left ya control the lean with your foot and going right i can't do this!
OK, jerkiness at all speeds over bumps etc is more likely to be throttle cable adjustment (not TPS). IIRC the service book states you should have something like 4mm of play in the throttle grip. Did you check/change this as I suggested?
(Yes folks, it was me that pointed Ruth towards TPS adjustment. :D)
Also, a little tip for turning right at junctions. Don't. First, ride forwards, get the bike stable at a low speed as you'll be crossing the road to be where you want to be. Once stable, lean the bike to the right & make the turn.
That way, you won't have to worry about not having a foot on that side. :thumbsup:
Leopard_lily
05-04-09, 03:51 PM
Also, a little tip for turning right at junctions. Don't. First, ride forwards, get the bike stable at a low speed as you'll be crossing the road to be where you want to be. Once stable, lean the bike to the right & make the turn.
That way, you won't have to worry about not having a foot on that side. :thumbsup:
To add to that, do not have a final look to the left as it'll throw your balance off make sure your head is looking down the road you want to go (as far as possible) do not be looking at the floor either
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 03:55 PM
Ok i'll remeber the turn thing! Thats probably where i'm going wrong!
The junction i'm talking about is a T and therefore hasn't got much road space before i turn, so it would be quite a tight turn, and i'm not that confident at leaning it over yet but i'll have a go! Maybe siting further back in the junction should help!!
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 03:57 PM
To add to that, do not have a final look to the left as it'll throw your balance off make sure your head is looking down the road you want to go (as far as possible) do not be looking at the floor either
I look at the floor in front!!! So i need to look right where i'm going!
Well they say you end where your looking suppose thats what happen!!! LOL
I tend to look at the floor when stopping as well, but to assess the floor!! :rolleyes:
plowsie
05-04-09, 03:58 PM
Get off and push it round, saves all hassle.
Get off and push it round, saves all hassle.
You're just sooo helpful today, aren't you? :confused:
Leopard_lily
05-04-09, 04:03 PM
I look at the floor in front!!! So i need to look right where i'm going!
Well they say you end where your looking suppose thats what happen!!! LOL
I tend to look at the floor when stopping as well, but to assess the floor!! :rolleyes:
There's your problem chick - do not ever be looking at the floor especially whilst slow manouvering, that's why they teach you to look at a fixed point on the opposite side of the road when doing the u-turn because you need to be looking where you want to end up (and no not on the floor ....lol) head as far enough down that road as possible. A car driver looks on average 25 metres ahead, a biker an astounding 92 metres ahead.
dizzyblonde
05-04-09, 04:05 PM
Maybe I could offer this.
A friend of mine came off quite badly a year or so ago(she wasn't hurt but the bike was)
Lots of folks helped out to get the bike back on the road:cool:
She had a couple of months off (which was expected) and she was very wobbly(also expected as she wasn't overly confident prior) Only thing is when she was on the road, when observing her, a lot of things seemed dangerous from this side of the fence. A lot of people tried giving advice, and it appeared she wasn't overly keen on the critisism or advice.
Myself and a couple of others gave the advice of going off and doing things on her own for a while. She didn't go on any rideouts for quite some time.
BUT when she came back, she came back with all guns blazing. There was so much improvement and she was obviously way more happier than she'd ever been before.
The situation isn't the same I know, but, again taking toooo much info on board and trying to apply it is perhaps going to overload things a little, concentrating on what people have said, could be detrimental.
Just go off, and doo things for yourself. Get your own riding style that your comfortable with and above all safe, then concentrate on tweaking it better. Then after time(like I have) ask people who you consider friends to come and ride behind you and see if they can see anything you can improve on, or indeeed Bikesafe etc(this one is not for you right now I don't think)
Again I ssay, stop running before you've learnt to walk. Step back and take a breath
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 04:06 PM
There's your problem chick - do not ever be looking at the floor especially whilst slow manouvering, that's why they teach you to look at a fixed point on the opposite side of the road when doing the u-turn because you need to be looking where you want to end up (and no not on the floor ....lol) head as far enough down that road as possible. A car driver looks on average 25 metres ahead, a biker an astounding 92 metres ahead.
Thank you! What a numpty!!! LOL :p
plowsie
05-04-09, 04:06 PM
You're just sooo helpful today, aren't you? :confused:
No, that's what I did a few times as a new rider at one junction that I really didn't like lol.
Reason being, I did the same thing as ruth, as I couldn't handle the power. And, it was restricted
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 04:08 PM
Ok Dizzyblonde that make a lot of sense!!! You don't think bikesafe would be helpful at the minute? Is that because i need to get used to riding? And THEN use the course to iron out my faults?
(If i manage to get that far)
plowsie
05-04-09, 04:11 PM
Ok Dizzyblonde that make a lot of sense!!! You don't think bikesafe would be helpful at the minute? Is that because i need to get used to riding? And THEN use the course to iron out my faults?
(If i manage to get that far)
Yes, that's the genral idea, get some miles under your belt then do one.
There's your lack of willing though, get rid of them thoughts.
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 04:12 PM
Yes, that's the genral idea, get some miles under your belt then do one.
There's your lack of willing though, get rid of them thoughts.
I'm just gutted at the minute and scared about getting back on for fear of it happening again!
Paul the 6th
05-04-09, 04:14 PM
there's quite a few people in quite a bad mood on these forums lately int there? lol cheer up guys, summer is on the way.
This lady sounds like she needs a little bit of support to get her back on 2 wheels again, making snappy/snide remarks isn't really gonna do much I don't think? Chin up ruthja, I didn't ride my bike for about 2 months after I had a 25mph lowside... I fell out with it big time. Then I fixed it and started riding again. Having a little off made me realise how easy it is to end up on the deck & as a result I had greater respect for the bike. Before I had my off I'd been riding with a "it won't happen to me" attitude :)
Hey ho, get well soon, if you're unsure about sorting the bike out, put a shout on here and ask if anyone has pics to make your life easier. P!
Bluepete
05-04-09, 04:17 PM
My tuppence worth?
It sounds like you are just too tense. Locked shoulders and arms mean that once the bike starts to jerk, so do you, and back and forth it goes, getting worse. Relax, concentrate on loosening your arms, dropping your shoulders and letting your wrists bend. That way, you can let the bike move under you, taking the movement out with your arms before it gets your body rocking!
Leave the TPS sensor alone, go and ride a bit, close to home, perhaps in a car park using the lanes and bays as junctions. It'll come, don't worry.
Pete
speedplay
05-04-09, 04:18 PM
You don't think bikesafe would be helpful at the minute? Is that because i need to get used to riding? And THEN use the course to iron out my faults?
(If i manage to get that far)
A bikesafe course instructor would most likely tell you to get more experience if you started to ride like you are saying you do.
Call your old instructor and get them to go out with you.
Ok i'll remeber the turn thing! Thats probably where i'm going wrong!
The junction i'm talking about is a T and therefore hasn't got much road space before i turn, so it would be quite a tight turn, and i'm not that confident at leaning it over yet but i'll have a go! Maybe siting further back in the junction should help!!
Do bikesafe when you can, it helps.
Also many things you learn with your instructors are for you to pass, real world is diffrent.
Personaly when i come to a T, i have the bike angled towards the direction of the turn i require, that way i dont have to do to much turning before i set off. Its also much more to do with clutch control rather than the throttle.
Throttle is the total power you have requested but ultimatly the clutch controls how much and how smoothly you transfer that power to the ground. So dial in the required power you want and then use the clutch to make it smooth. Get to a carpark and practice slow speed control and setoffs using the clutch smoothly.
phil24_7
05-04-09, 04:22 PM
Ruth - don't worry about falling off. If it's gonna happen, it'll happen! You need to concentrate on your riding so that you can do everything to limit the chances of it happening again. Road miles and experience are your friends here.
Find a quiet area and go and ride it whenever you get a chance. An industrial estate, quiet housing estate or similar area will be great for this. Just go there and practise your riding, slow control, turning, starting and stopping, etc. Get some confidence then get out on the big roads.
Once you got some miles, get someone whos riding you respect to come and follow you to give you some pointers.
A lot of people tried giving advice, and it appeared she wasn't overly keen on the critisism or advice.
Dizzy, I know exactly who you're talking about, and I remember a rideout where she specifically asked for my opinion of events that had happened. I deliberately withheld my honest opinion because I don't think it would of helped. Remember the car with the squealing brakes? That was the stop I'm talking about. :)
However, Ruth has trained as a mechanic, so rightly or wrongly, I personally have assumed a certain level of knowledge.
Ok Dizzyblonde that make a lot of sense!!! You don't think bikesafe would be helpful at the minute? Is that because i need to get used to riding? And THEN use the course to iron out my faults?
I'm with the others on this, IMO, bikesafe would be useless if you can't apply the theory because you're worrying about controlling the bike. Only you know when you'll really be ready.
Leopard_lily
05-04-09, 04:23 PM
Do bikesafe when you can, it helps.
Personaly when i come to a T, i have the bike angled towards the direction of the turn i require, that way i dont have to do to much turning before i set off.
By that - you mean with the steering right?
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 04:24 PM
Good tips guys! Thank you! Need to find that car park! lol
By that - you mean with the steering right?
No I mean the bike, the bike is angled in the direction i want to go, not at a exagerated angle.
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 04:26 PM
By that - you mean with the steering right?
I took it as the who bike placed at the jucntion slightly so its facing more right that central! hope he doesn't mean banked over slightly! Can't do that! LOL
tanis34
05-04-09, 04:30 PM
sorry to hear bout this im only in birstall if u want to meet up for a slow bimble in the evenings let me know , welcome to the off club it took me a while to get back my confidence after being taken off my bike at a mini roundabout
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 04:32 PM
sorry to hear bout this im only in birstall if u want to meet up for a slow bimble in the evenings let me know , welcome to the off club it took me a while to get back my confidence after being taken off my bike at a mini roundabout
thank you i will certainly bear that in mind, should i get the guts to get back on!
dizzyblonde
05-04-09, 04:33 PM
Dizzy, I know exactly who you're talking about, and I remember a rideout where she specifically asked for my opinion of events that had happened. I deliberately withheld my honest opinion because I don't think it would of helped. Remember the car with the squealing brakes? That was the stop I'm talking about. :)
However, Ruth has trained as a mechanic, so rightly or wrongly, I personally have assumed a certain level of knowledge.
I'm with the others on this, IMO, bikesafe would be useless if you can't apply the theory because you're worrying about controlling the bike. Only you know when you'll really be ready.
Mechaniching or not, still doesn't give experience or the noggin on the road...at least for now ;-)
and....Yes Baph, that Lass I consider a pretty good friend now. Shes done more miles than I've had hot dinners and I can proudly say she can ride a hell of a lot better than me! Reason....she took herself to one side, had a good think and disappeared here there and everywhere, fell of again, laughed got up, rode some more etc etc. She actually came to the rescue when I came off, I thought at the time she was the only one I could feel comfortable with riding, and she accompanied a very nervous me to get a new helmet four days later.:smt080
And Yes Ruth get out there and practise, then when you've got some miles under you then go on a bikesafe. I'd go on one if I had time or money, I've ridden all over the place though. Still haven't conquered U turns after five years.:smt016 to them!
tanis34
05-04-09, 04:38 PM
you will , its like anything you do , how many times did u fall off as a kid learning to ride a pushbike ???
mike_avfc
05-04-09, 04:41 PM
as earlier poster said, just try and relax on the bike, keep your arms loose, worse thing you can do is tense up on the bike with your arms straight etc..
I used to do that when i got back riding again and felt very unstable, learned to relax and it's now fine.
I'd be wary of going on Bikesafe if you're lacking in confidence, as a local bobby who does it around here informed me that they're having to be brutally honest with people these days. Seems some people think that if the cops tell you your riding is OK, that its carte blanche to be a complete and utter c0ck on the road - so they'll always find a few faults to talk about.
Shes done more miles than I've had hot dinners and I can proudly say she can ride a hell of a lot better than me! Reason....she took herself to one side, had a good think and disappeared here there and everywhere, fell of again, laughed got up, rode some more etc etc. She actually came to the rescue when I came off, I thought at the time she was the only one I could feel comfortable with riding, and she accompanied a very nervous me to get a new helmet four days later.:smt080
I couldn't agree more Dizzy, especially with what she's done recently on a bike (though I don't want to say more for fear of identifying her - and I fully appreciate why you haven't stated her name).
Please pass on the message that I'd love to see her on another rideout, if nothing else just to have a chinwag. :)
Ruth, apologies for the derail, but I'm sure you'll forgive me. :D
sorry to hear about your off. I'm a total newbie but am trying to do what other people have said on here so far, get out and ride on my own and just build up the experience. I'm tempted to try some of the mods on the bike but am holding off till im confident on it as it is.
Sure you'll be fine once you get back on the bike. Just need to try to stay relaxed cause i find with the slow speed stuff being wound up makes it really messy.
Oh Ruth, something else I've just thought of.
If you're comfortable with it, and there's some kind sole close enough to you, what about asking someone from the .Org to ride your bike (even if just down the road & back)?
That way, you'll have an objective opinion (dependant on the person quite possibly :lol:) from someone that has experience of riding an SV. It might help to remove some thoughts about "there's something wrong with the bike" etc.
Caveat: To anyone considering offering this to Ruth, please be aware that the bike's geometry/height/handling may be very different to anything you have experienced previously. Don't enter into this lightly, because you won't help!
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 05:02 PM
Oh Ruth, something else I've just thought of.
If you're comfortable with it, and there's some kind sole close enough to you, what about asking someone from the .Org to ride your bike (even if just down the road & back)?
That way, you'll have an objective opinion (dependant on the person quite possibly :lol:) from someone that has experience of riding an SV. It might help to remove some thoughts about "there's something wrong with the bike" etc.
Caveat: To anyone considering offering this to Ruth, please be aware that the bike's geometry/height/handling may be very different to anything you have experienced previously. Don't enter into this lightly, because you won't help!
HA! Thanks Baph, I've had a couple of friend offer to ride it for me, before i take it out again!
dizzyblonde
05-04-09, 05:14 PM
I couldn't agree more Dizzy, especially with what she's done recently on a bike (though I don't want to say more for fear of identifying her - and I fully appreciate why you haven't stated her name).
Please pass on the message that I'd love to see her on another rideout, if nothing else just to have a chinwag. :)
Ruth, apologies for the derail, but I'm sure you'll forgive me. :D
Of course I will:smt058I'm sure she'll be finding a rideout sometime soon, although I know she has a lot of work to catch up on at the moment.
shonadoll
05-04-09, 07:51 PM
Get off and push it round, saves all hassle.
Why are you being so sarcastic? :rolleyes: If you can't say anything nice....
shonadoll
05-04-09, 07:58 PM
I still get throttle problems sometimes, specifically when I tense up, so know to relax now.
I'm 100% with the idea that thinking about what you learn really helps-at one point I had an enforced 11 weeks off the bike, and came back a better rider as I read, watched, and thought about it. I also recommend car parks for slow control practise. You will get there hun, chin up.x
Shellywoozle
05-04-09, 08:00 PM
OK Ruth I have read 3 pages and jumped to the end so I apologise if I have missed anything crucial.
1) Take posts on here lightly, thinks written can be taken not how they are meant and you will be touchy after your experience anyway. But most people have had similar and are the other side of it and laff about it. You have yet to get to the laffing stage.
2) Don't give up get back on but when you are ready. I have had an off which I put down to inexperience, broke my shoulder and had 15 months off the bike. Ask Kwak ZZR about my first ride back on it. LOL it was hilarious I froze at a junction, could not turn right only left. Made it 500 yds then put her away. Put tried again the next day and went a bit further.
3) You are not far from me. If you want I will meet you somewhere and we can go for a short bimble together. I am still finding my feet again and have low confidence so you dont need to show me anything or prove anything. Just 2 gals riding.
4) Re your throttle, my instructor tols me something daft as I was always tense through my shoulders and held onto the bars for dear life, made islands and smooth riding hard. When he saw me tense up he said in my ear peace 'go floppy Shell' ... made me laff and I then relaxed and move my elbows a little to show I was floppy :) he then told me to imagine the throttle was a little chicks neck, delicate and not to strangle it ..... if you are a dirty cow like me you could use your imagination ;)
PM me if you want to take me up and we can arrange something.
Get back on, you WILL get your smile back I promise, I been there and done it chick xxx
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 08:02 PM
I still get throttle problems sometimes, specifically when I tense up, so know to relax now.
I'm 100% with the idea that thinking about what you learn really helps-at one point I had an enforced 11 weeks off the bike, and came back a better rider as I read, watched, and thought about it. I also recommend car parks for slow control practise. You will get there hun, chin up.x
thank you! I just get the feeling, Right turns are gonna be a nightmare, but i guess, no i know your all right about giving it another go! If it happends again when do i stop trying!
God if i could just erase today and start again. I can't believe how much one drop can knock my confidence and poo me up so much!
You know what REALLY scared me!
I know the way the corner is! And if there was a car on my right turning left, it would have been right where i feel and it would of took me head off as I landed on the other side of the road! :(
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 08:07 PM
Thank u guys! Stop else i'm gonna cry! LOL
No seriously thank you! I'll see what i can do!
i guess, no i know your all right about giving it another go! If it happends again when do i stop trying!
God if i could just erase today and start again. I can't believe how much one drop can knock my confidence and poo me up so much!
It's all about mentality towards falling really. I'm one of the fortunate ones that spent years in fields messing with bikes. I've had some off's on the road, but nothing that's really bothered me much - but loosing the front did make me a little hesitant for a while.
You said "if it happens again, when do I stop trying?" - well, you don't. Seriously. Think about all that effort & stress you've gone through just to get the bike lowered & get to this stage!! That would all be a complete waste (time/effort and money) if you just give in!!
If you need some time away from the bike, that's fine, but it'll always be a part of you - you obviously have the bug otherwise you wouldn't of gone to this trouble to lower it!
Shellywoozle
05-04-09, 08:12 PM
Plowsie .... BEHAVE ya naughty boy !! Come on although you seem funny you don't to Ruth .... wait til I see ya next I shall slap ya.
Ruth, first day I had my bike I dropped her on my leg. I hadnt even had any lessons, just did my CBT 5 months prior. My bike was immaculate and I damaged her a little. I was in tears.
Then I was cleaning her and dropper her against the side of the house, she was held up by her mirror and me grabbing the tank whilst on the phone to my ex shouting 'help'. I wanted to sell her and cancel my lessons but I didn't. I really wanted to ride and all the small things that life chucks at you are for learning.
I came off my bike in Aug and landed infront of an off duty paramedic in his car, I was waiting for him to hit me but he didnt. I put it out my mind how close I was to being a gonna because if you ponder you will never get past it.
Think of what you want (i.e. to be riding) and do all you can to be positive. xx You will get there
phil24_7
05-04-09, 08:14 PM
But it didn't, so stop stresssing about what COULD have been, you'll never get anywhere in life if you worry about what could have happened!
Oh, and a moto that I use quite often is: "It's better to regret something you've done than something you haven't done"
If you can get past this little hurdle then you can get thousands of excellent memories to replace this one bad one.
Regards
Get off and push it round, saves all hassle.
Perhaps you should practice what you preach too.
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 08:18 PM
I don't know what else to say than thank u! And just for you lot i'll get back on it!
I'll give it a couple of days though, coz i hurt a little bit! LOL
Now am i best to go to the same junction or not? I had done that junction yesterday and was fine!
HMMMMM?
Why are you being so sarcastic? :rolleyes: If you can't say anything nice....
Perhaps you should practice what you preach too.
Ahem...
No, that's what I did a few times as a new rider at one junction that I really didn't like lol.
Reason being, I did the same thing as ruth, as I couldn't handle the power. And, it was restricted
Shellywoozle
05-04-09, 08:21 PM
I don't know what else to say than thank u! And just for you lot i'll get back on it!
I'll give it a couple of days though, coz i hurt a little bit! LOL
Now am i best to go to the same junction or not? I had done that junction yesterday and was fine!
HMMMMM?
It's not the juntion it's just your confidence and a glitch. Go back to it when you are confortable. Just get on the bike and ride her anywhere, if that junction is included do it later on in the ride.
I had to go down my road to prove I can and to get over it, but I did it a few days later once I got my confidence back on the bike.
Now am i best to go to the same junction or not? I had done that junction yesterday and was fine!
You'll naturally be apprehensive about that junction now, for a while.
Over your few days off, think about the advice you've been given here, let it all sink in. Then...
Forget everything we've all said (including me), and just try your best to enjoy yourself. DO NOT think about this thread, or comments within it whilst you're riding!
Shellywoozle
05-04-09, 08:23 PM
Ruth
Find a fit man in a pair of nice leathers, put him a little way in front of you and follow the bum !! You will go where you are looking ;) when he stops you may get a bonus for riding well LOL
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 08:24 PM
Ruth
Find a fit man in a pair of nice leathers, put him a little way in front of you and follow the bum !! You will go where you are looking ;) when he stops you may get a bonus for riding well LOL
First time i've laughed this afternoon!!!!
speedplay
05-04-09, 08:25 PM
I had a serious off last year involving a hit and run that put me in intensive care and left me with permanent injurys.
It happened about a mile from my house on a roundabout.
I still dont like using the roundabout now but you get over it.
Ruthja2801
05-04-09, 08:27 PM
****!
Suppose at the end of the day, The junction is near my house so I've gotta use it sometime! It ain't the junctions fault!
Ahem...Mine was a sarcsastic comment.
I'm afraid i wouldn't take advice off someone who has managed to crash pretty much every bike they've owned, ride round on a unrestricted bike on a restricted license and proceed to crash it with his mate on the back, never wear's protective clothing, runs himself over.
Thought it was highly amusing that he undertook someone on a blind bend and then proceeded to give them a lecture on how to ride, has been given a section 59 for unruley behaviour on the roads.
I'd suggest a moped or maybe a donor card!
Shellywoozle
05-04-09, 08:32 PM
Mine was a sarcsastic comment.
I'm afraid i wouldn't take advice off someone who has managed to crash pretty much every bike they've owned, ride round on a unrestricted bike on a restricted license and proceed to crash it with his mate on the back, never wear's protective clothing, runs himself over.
Thought it was highly amusing that he undertook someone on a blind bend and then proceeded to give them a lecture on how to ride, has been given a section 59 for unruley behaviour on the roads.
I'd suggest a moped or maybe a donor card!
PMSL :)
First time i've laughed this afternoon!!!!
:smt041:smt041:smt041:smt041 = :riding: = :mrgreen:
Full marks to you for determination Ruthja2801. I think some people here are concerned, the last thing anyone wants to see is you getting hurt. I know I for one am always cautious when it comes to encouraging someone to take up motorcycling. It's understandable that not everyone is saying "get straight back out there!", you need to re-acquire that will power on your own for you to be in the right frame of mind.
I hope that makes some sense. You need to remember the times when you were happy on a bike, presumably you passed a test - the bike may be different, but you're doing the same things, so you can do it. Just don't force yourself to do something you don't want to do, unless it goes 100% perfectly you'll just do more harm than good. Get on the bike with positive "I want to, I can, I will" thoughts or you're fighting a losing battle. If it takes time to get there then so be it. No rush, summer approaches, the mood will take you plenty of times this year if you're ready.
GWS.
plowsie
05-04-09, 08:50 PM
Mine was a sarcsastic comment.
I'm afraid i wouldn't take advice off someone who has managed to crash pretty much every bike they've owned, ride round on a unrestricted bike on a restricted license and proceed to crash it with his mate on the back, never wear's protective clothing, runs himself over.
Thought it was highly amusing that he undertook someone on a blind bend and then proceeded to give them a lecture on how to ride, has been given a section 59 for unruley behaviour on the roads.
I'd suggest a moped or maybe a donor card!
Wow, you need to get out lol. Crashed two of my 4 bikes, suppose that relates to pretty much every bike, oh and the bike with my friend on the back was my first bike, my restricted SV. The blind bend thing I clarified wasn't really a blind bend.
And I wasn't the one who threw my toys out of my pram when someone got banned from the site. You need a dummy for that :rolleyes:
For you, I will suggest that before you do an episode of this is your life for me, you get your feckin facts straight, and that dummy :rolleyes:
fizzwheel
05-04-09, 08:51 PM
Right knock it off with the handbags please... or it'll be locky locky...
speedplay
05-04-09, 08:53 PM
Right knock it off with the handbags please... or it'll be locky locky...
before a thread reaches 100?! thats unfair ;)
Shellywoozle
05-04-09, 08:54 PM
Wow, you need to get out lol. Crashed two of my 4 bikes, suppose that relates to pretty much every bike.
The blind bend I clarified wasn't really a blind bend.
And I wasn't the one who threw my toys out of my pram when someone got banned from the site.
OK Plowsie PC Woozle is gonna come and stop the scrap before it begins !! :smt062 ..... OK maybe not ya both bigger than me LOL ..... handcuffs anyone? :) .... scuttles away
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