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John 675
07-04-09, 11:48 PM
10 year olds stabbing each other...
No Jobs...
Overpaid executives... Redundant made staff..
Binge drinkers...
Drug abuse...
Peido's..
Rape..
Murder..
Rude boy culture..
Chav mentality..
Welfare abuses...
Tax waste..
Nhs overcrouding and under staffing..
Bnp..
Dealers..
Hooligans..
Human trafficing..
Iliegal imigtation..
Knife crime..
Gun crime..
Child abuse..
Jamie bulger case..
Damilola Taylor..
Domestic abuse..
Cruelty to animals..
Being affraid to walk down the street..
..... These are all issues the UK faces every day! I'm to tired to keep adding to the list.. So il stop
I dont think I could do a positive list as long as this negative one without simply naming material items..
Who else was supprised to hear that to school boys aged 10 and 11 mugged robbed and attempted to kill to other boys of a similar age??? ... I wasn't surpprised
Just saddened...
yes its sickening. Why does it go on? i would never thing of doing anything bad like robbing someone, serverly beating someone up, breaking someone property. i was brough up and taught that you cant do things like that, maybe they are brough up with the mentality that it is ok????!
I believe they were in foster care. Can't be taught right from wrong if they have no respect or care for the ones teaching them (assuming the foster parents were trying).
Stop the world, I want to get off.
John 675
08-04-09, 12:01 AM
Maybe they were dragged up and dont care wether it's good or bad..
... The country need to stop worrying about sorting afghan out and try looking deeper at our needs..
Uk=fail
I know other country are much poorer but I'm willing to stake my wage that in some of them poorer cointrys the have a richer quality of life living on enough
Jamiebridges123
08-04-09, 12:02 AM
Unfortunately it's what society is becoming nowadays.. and in my opinion it's too late to stop it unless something drastic is done. All the kids are on facebook instead of going out, those that do go out invariably get drawn into drink, drugs and worse... The parents are often powerless to help by saying "Hey y'know what son let's go to the pub and have a pint and some dinner", because they all were made redundant.
Then the kids that want a job nowadays can't get one because NOWHERE is recruiting, so have to borrow from their parents, who already have been made redundant..
It's a vicious circle.. doesn't get better!
gettin2dizzy
08-04-09, 12:05 AM
It's not all bad, I promise :)
Just don't buy in the 'real world'. Don't believe the media, and don't become materialistic. Life is about conversation, tea, solitude and binge-reading. I've just had my second long bath of the day. First one this morning with a book and cup of tea. Then one tonight with a glass of wine...and a book.
Pointless thread. TBH
There's tons of great stuff happening every day, and not just material things of people getting new bikes (or the chance to ride new bikes whether they do or not;))
But lots of good things like people having a laugh or doing good things for others they know or others they don't know. It just doesn't get reported.
My life is not going particularly good at the moment but I don't need to come on here and see this craap.
gettin2dizzy
08-04-09, 12:18 AM
Nonsense!
:lol:
Ok. All your 'factual' points here, without me deleting a thing!
Unfortunately it's what society is becoming nowadays.. and in my opinion it's too late to stop it unless something drastic is done. All the kids are on facebook instead of going out, those that do go out invariably get drawn into drink, drugs and worse...
The parents are often powerless to help by saying "Hey y'know what son let's go to the pub and have a pint and some dinner", because they all were made redundant.
Then the kids that want a job nowadays can't get one because NOWHERE is recruiting, so have to borrow from their parents, who already have been made redundant..
It's a vicious circle.. doesn't get better!
:lol:
Stop reading the Daily Mail! Can you substantiate a single one of those?!
1. The internet is THE invention of the last century. You now have unparalleled access to almost all knowledge ever recorded. This is free! Free to use, and free from regulation. People all over the world can now educate themselves in what they want, people can express opinions, form daft forums, and create crap news.
2. Drink and drugs aren't demons. Quite the opposite can be true! The reason you can become dependent is the demon. No one is ever going to hold cows responsible in court for creating fatties...
3. There's work out there, I promise. Not only that, we have a first-rate healthcare system, welfare and education for all. There's a limit to how much **** you can get in...
If you want a real disaster look at Italy! 10,000 homeless... Mind you, I bet they're glad they dodged the recession, and I bet they're watching our country on Sky News with despair :rolleyes:
Jamiebridges123
08-04-09, 12:37 AM
Funnily enough, I don't read the daily mail. Hahaha :D
I can't substantiate as well, my views are simply my views. I go to college one day a week (and work for 3 others..)and I'm the only kid there that doesn't have a facebook.. does that make me a loser or does it make them losers? Or rather, we're all losers! :D:D
Who knows hehehe :D But I know that the 25 people on my 'friends list' are people I know, can go out with or invite over, not my sisters boyfriends cousins sister in laws best mates girlfriend that lives in Norfolk. I'm not against it I just don't see the point.. call me single minded, maybe. :)
Internet, yes. It's a great thing. It's opened communications, education and all sorts of things, but most _younger_ people don't tend to use it for that. They use it for Facebook and p*rn. :x
Forums are a nice place to meet people and the like, and tbh I'd rather chat on the webz than go outside anyway. (Hypocrite, read above. :D)
I'm just speaking from the POV of a late teen (I'm 17 myself), it's incredibly tough to get a job.. I struggled to pay the insurance on my old bike, I only managed to pay for it because of money that was left to me. (I'm not lazy and should I get a job, even if it's in a supermarket, I'd happily do 50+ hour weeks.)
There's just so little for the average kid to do nowadays, they (we) just waste away our nights on the computer and go out for the binge on a Friday night, and invariably end up in fights. Thankfully I've never gotten myself drunk and tend to stay in on weekends just because of that.
If you want a real disaster look at Italy! 10,000 homeless... Mind you, I bet they're glad they dodged the recession, and I bet they're watching our country on Sky News with despair
Yeah terrible isn't it. Didn't hear about that till it was on the radio at work today. :x
gettin2dizzy
08-04-09, 12:47 AM
You have more options than anyone before you! I can't think of one thing (within reason ;) ) that you can't do that someone 100 years earlier could. Ignoring small issues such as the higher chance of dying from disease, or not getting healthcare or education at all :lol: Struggling to pay insurance on a bike at 17 isn't exactly poverty! Next you'll be telling me you can't even afford mobile phone credit!
It sounds to me that you've got your head screwed on though :thumbsup: But you make what you want of life, and being defeatist at the first step achieves nothing.
'Real disaster'?... That's a 'natural disaster'. There's a difference.
The devastating effects of the shifting of tectonic plates is a bit different to children chosing to maim and rob their peers in such a cold and calculating manner.
The rest of society's problems have been going on more or less since society began, doesn't make it any less wrong though.
All the good being done in society doesn't seem to be able to stem the flow of the bad. I despair over how we're supposed to fix it all. What makes kids think doing that sort of stuff is big or 'hard'? Many kids got on my bad side when I was little and the worst they got was a punch... Oh wait...
When I was about 7, this one girl around my age who lived on the block, marched into our backyard announcing that her mum said she could come and play in our paddling pool. We argued as kids do. I ended up throwing her to the ground and kicking her front teeth out. I don't remember feeling 'big' or 'hard'... but I'm definitely not proud of it now.
Meh. I've lost where I'm going with this. There were 'sharps' around we could get hold of but that wasn't the point. Cutting someone was never something I'd consider as a kid...
...and as far as this idea of 'kids having nothing to do'... We didn't have youth clubs or anything before as teens (Well, nothing we'd choose to use. Youth clubs were the generation after us). Neither did my group find 'release' in destroying property or harrassing/assaulting people.
We made our own entertainment, we were smart. 'Nothing to do' in my opinion is a cop-out by teens who believe it's someone else's responsibility to keep them amused.
Jamiebridges123
08-04-09, 01:01 AM
-snip-
Trying to keep ontop of it. And laugh as you want but I can't afford credit hahaha!
I work for free on part of an E2E course (basically me doing the same work as someone else, but my labour is free!) and in return for my 31 hours of hard graft, I get £30. £15 goes on Insurance and the remaining £15 would fill up my bike. You're right though, I could not have a bike at all, no house and not even a small income. Having just lost £2250 because it was written off on TFT insurance didn't make it easier. I've had to take a loan out to purchase another bike and I'm screwed as it's secured on the house.. (thanks mum<3)
Of course this is just my story, and I know others have it far worse. I'm lucky I atleast ended up with average grades and (touch wood!) have no diseases etc.
If there's one lesson for life, it's to keep on living and trying. Maybe it is true when they say you can do anything you set your mind to... most of the time..:D
and as far as this idea of 'kids having nothing to do'... We didn't have youth clubs or anything before as teens (Well, nothing we'd choose to use. Youth clubs were the generation after us). Neither did my group find 'release' in destroying property or harrassing/assaulting people.
I agree, it's a poor cop out. It's the society we live in, and I have no idea where it came from... when I was 7 or 8 (10 years ago), there were hardly any fights at school, everyone got on. Strangely enough, as soon as secondary school started, by the end of Year 7, people had changed. Started to smoke, beat up the little kids and just be a PITA. I'm just saying that it wouldn't hurt if there were more initiatives to get kids nowadays into positive things. Most of the 'violent' ones aren't that bad if you manage to get on their side. Trying to 'fit in' won't work, you have to get them to accept you, and trying to be 'hip' and 'cool' like most of the Youth Workers are trying to be isn't how you get them to pay attention! :) Just my twocents. I'll hide naow! :D
Trying to keep ontop of it. And laugh as you want but I can't afford credit hahaha!
I work for free on part of an E2E course (basically me doing the same work as someone else, but my labour is free!) and in return for my 31 hours of hard graft, I get £30. £15 goes on Insurance and the remaining £15 would fill up my bike. You're right though, I could not have a bike at all, no house and not even a small income. Having just lost £2250 because it was written off on TFT insurance didn't make it easier. I've had to take a loan out to purchase another bike and I'm screwed as it's secured on the house.. (thanks mum<3)
Of course this is just my story, and I know others have it far worse. I'm lucky I atleast ended up with average grades and (touch wood!) have no diseases etc.
If there's one lesson for life, it's to keep on living and trying. Maybe it is true when they say you can do anything you set your mind to... most of the time..:D
With a little help. Well, a lot. :lol: Parents can be awesome.
I've been out of work for a while now and I'd be in serious trouble if my parents hadn't helped me out... and are still willing to help me out. :? I'm only a year or two out of serious debt I got into over my ex and I'm back in the boiling pot again. Not what I'd planned at all. :lol:
I totally agree with G2D and Stu.
There are plenty of good things going on in the UK, just open your eyes.
John 675
08-04-09, 07:06 AM
youth clubs back in my pops day were well run in his area..He says all hiss mates would rattle down on 125's and have a riot! Not saying it was all happy days and he certainly isn't the fonze but there
Was lots to do to keep them out of mischief.. Of course as he got older he grew up and worked as you had to at 18 back then..
Compared with today .. A youth club would be attitude central and ultimately a dangerous place by default.. I've taken a few unprovoked kickings in my life from these types.. And working in chav city everyday just makes me care less now.
To those who think this thread is pointless.. I'd say look at the replys generated.. It's a good debate :)
The red tops like sensationaliising everything - they're out to make money not to report all the facts.
Life isn't all doom & gloom. Living in the UK is brilliant!
You've got decent roads, decent education, a lot of free speech, decent water, health care & sanitation, there's a lot of racial tolerance & equality. Politicians may be a little bit crooked with their expenses - but it could be *a lot* worse.
The UK is fine.
plowsie
08-04-09, 08:04 AM
Your life is what you make it. Everyday happenings can hinder it, but its up to you to decide.
National Service.....
I fail to see how that would help. It's just something that the Daily Mail keeps blathering on about in an atempt to make us all think that life was simpler/safer in the past.
I never did it.
I turned out alright.
Ditto millions of other people out there.
I fail to see how that would help. It's just something that the Daily Mail keeps blathering on about in an atempt to make us all think that life was simpler/safer in the past.
I never did it.
I turned out alright.
Ditto millions of other people out there.
I didn't do it either, but I know the difference between right and wrong... thanks to my parents...
It seems today there's an inability by some to raise their children to socially acceptable standard's (proper manners etc). Or their children are either too unruly/influencial - or the parents simply don't give a sh*t.
I'm not saying national service will solve all issues, neither am I jumping on the band wagon, I am simply suggesting that it may put some structure and control into a situation that seems to be getting more out-of-control. By virtue of teaching kids how-to respect things, people, life etc.
And surely it'll sort a few kids out that might otherwise end up being fed by the likes of you and me???
I'm not saying national service will solve all issues, neither am I jumping on the band wagon, I am simply suggesting that it may put some structure and control into a situation that seems to be getting more out-of-control. By virtue of teaching kids how-to respect things, people, life etc.
Or, you'll be teaching these a-social kids how to kill people with their bare hands!! ;)
There's just so little for the average kid to do nowadays, they (we) just waste away our nights on the computer and go out for the binge on a Friday night, and invariably end up in fights. Thankfully I've never gotten myself drunk and tend to stay in on weekends just because of that.
Isn't that a bit of a general view?
That all young people go out who go out and have a few bevvy's will end up scrapping on the street?
If you have never been out, how can you say this?
Through the media? That anyone 18< = yob?
SoulKiss
08-04-09, 08:59 AM
If I had come home drunk or had signs of a hangover regularly at 16/17 my dad would have made sure I didn't do it again for a while, either by restricting my usage of the car as a punishment, ot bu just giving me a good leathering.
He didnt have to tho, because I knew the consequences if I had, AND I had the respect for my parents not to do anything that would give the family a bad name.
In other words I took responsibility for my actions.
Thats not to say there were no drunken escapades, just that they were a bit controlled and not too often :)
Having only got round to seeing Watchmen last night I think its time for Masked Vigilanties :)
Responsibility? Mmm? :)
They can't really do anything, I paid for my own bike, don't have a car ect..
Everyone did the same when they were younger, so they can't really say much..
I only get in trouble if I come home spewing, which unfortunately, I do quite well most times I go out.. :\
Obviously a clash of opinions...
Can I blame it on the fact that I am Scottish? :)
Or, you'll be teaching these a-social kids how to kill people with their bare hands!! ;)
Very true... There is always the good and bad in every situ. but IMHO I think a modern system could work well.
e.g. Take the kids (esp those that might otherwise drift/cause mayhem) and train 'em in a trade/skill of their choice; and/or put them to work in industry for a while to develop their skills further. if managed correctly there's no reason the plan couldn't turn out tomorrow's core workers etc.
The PT, survival skills etc would be an integral part, but not the sole reason for it.
Perhaps I've taken a slightly optomistic view, but remaining negative won't go anywhere to addressing the issue. "Lock 'em up"... who pays the bill?
My 2p worth.
SoulKiss
08-04-09, 09:12 AM
Obviously a clash of opinions...
Can I blame it on the fact that I am Scottish? :)
I only get in trouble if I come home spewing, which unfortunately, I do quite well most times I go out.. :\
My late teen years were spent in the Bridge of Don and Alford................
Your next excuse?
dizzyblonde
08-04-09, 09:13 AM
My view from what I see every day through my eyes.
Lass down the road with four kids. can't be arsed to take the kids to school(don't know the whole story but I see with my eyes and live next door to her mother) and I mean can't be bothered at all. They haven't been for 6 months. They have no idea how to socialise with other kids, they are a nightmare. They got booted out of the school and they enrolled at ours, it took the mother 2 weeks of being booted out, with a whole manner of excuses before the kids came. They were frightened and scared, they were sent with no dinners, and had to be fed by the headmistress in her office. The mother doesn't pick them up or take them to school, her sister does it, she has two kids of her own, so is seen with six kids every morning. Those kids lives have been ruined by a mother who is selfish, and has no idea thats shes ruined her kids, its not their fault. Shes more concerned in finding a boyfriend gullible enough to pay for them....and having more kids.
Theres plenty of other mums that have six kids too. They all have the same attitude towards their kids, shouting, bawling, stuffing them with sweets. All the trouble makers in each class come from families like these. Its not a general sweeping statemnt, its fact. There's parents pulling their children out of the school, because of the behaviour of these horrid disruptive kids, but where do they go, as all schools have similar things going on in between their walls too.
The law has made it so schools have very little input when it comes to discipline, they can only do so much. Teachers are put in awkward positions. For the last few years we have had a government that has had namby pamby ideas, that as a result has given way to people allowing kids to get away with murder so to speak. In fact in this country now, theres no room for a parents right to discipline in what way they see fit either. My son is brought up the same way I was, do something wrong and your punished accordingly. Hes not given a reward for being naughty tow minutes later so he thinks hes got away with it.
Theres always a cause and effect.....right now I think this country is failing their kids, not the kids fault, and not necessarily the parents either, but those that do fail them, I think they need to learn how to be parents, as some don;t deserve the right.
As for 'nowhere to go, nothing to do' attitude of teens......
I have been on the committee of a day nursery and community centre for two years now. Its non profit, and been well established for 30 years. There has been hundreds of kids through the doors, both pre school and those in afterschool clubs. Theres karate clubs, there was a youth club badminton, dancing, alsorts.
The problem we have is that we've had to close, due to not enough money coming in to pay the bills. People can't afford to pay in some cases(which I think is disgusting, use a service pay for it)
You may wonder what I'm waffling about. The council decided rather than put money into an establised good cause that they would put £140 thousand of public money into two derelict houses to turn into a comunity centre of their own. 'They know best'! Its in the heart of chav central, it was closed down for many years due to vandals, lack of use etc etc.....guess what? it has been open for six months and they think they might have to close because of lack of use. We've had to close becuause of lack of funding, and back up from the council. Now all the kids we provide for have nowhere to go.
So then we get teens at 2.30pm on the field behind my house, drinking white lightening, then coming back at 1am and setting fire to stuff. There isn't a place to go at that time, but if there was somewhere in the afternoon, then the drinking would have been stalled.
This happens everywhere, authorities folllow the stupid government with their 'we know best attitude'. Theres too much of it going on, no listening to public opinion anymore. Which is why when the sh!t hits the fan, theres a whole barrage of 'I told you so' echoing from the likes of me and you.
My late teen years were spent in the Bridge of Don and Alford................
Your next excuse?
You spend time in BoD?
You unlucky person!? :(
Do I really need an excuse?
cool, we've not had a "lets slag britain off/i'm outta here and moving to another country" thread in a matter of hours, glad this one has arisen tho...phew
i love the country. sure i get angry and frustrated at its short comings and its bad points, but as has been said more than once open your eyes to the good as well as the bad and you'll feel a) better about your environment and b) better about yourself.
you list a ton of poohy things. let me counter that:-
lake district
exmoor
rolling cheese down a hill and running after it
picnics
crumpets
tea
toast
dogging
thermos flasks
jumble sales
pasties
CHEER UP!!!
plowsie
08-04-09, 09:34 AM
cool, we've not had a "lets slag britain off/i'm outta here and moving to another country" thread in a matter of hours, glad this one has arisen tho...phew
i love the country. sure i get angry and frustrated at its short comings and its bad points, but as has been said more than once open your eyes to the good as well as the bad and you'll feel a) better about your environment and b) better about yourself.
you list a ton of poohy things. let me counter that:-
lake district
exmoor
rolling cheese down a hill and running after it
picnics
crumpet
tea
toast
dogging
thermos flasks
jumble sales
pasties
CHEER UP!!!
Plenty of it baby :smt101...
You are forgetting some...
White Lightning
The black cab
Kebabs
Wales
Silverstone
KeithD (The real one that is)
Eastenders
Kelly Brook
dizzyblonde
08-04-09, 09:35 AM
you list a ton of poohy things. let me counter that:-
lake district
exmoor
rolling cheese down a hill and running after it
picnics
crumpets
tea
toast
dogging
thermos flasks
jumble sales
pasties
CHEER UP!!!
KeithD you missed one crucial point now its getting to summer
grass sledging on cardboard:thumleft:
you list a ton of poohy things. let me counter that:-
rolling cheese down a hill and running after it
Would that have to be babybel?
Im sure a lump of cheese wouldnt roll anywhere!?
Sounds fun though:rolleyes:
cool, we've not had a "lets slag britain off/i'm outta here and moving to another country" thread in a matter of hours, glad this one has arisen tho...phew
i love the country. Sure i get angry and frustrated at its short comings and its bad points, but as has been said more than once open your eyes to the good as well as the bad and you'll feel a) better about your environment and b) better about yourself.
You list a ton of poohy things. Let me counter that:-
lake district
exmoor
rolling cheese down a hill and running after it
picnics
crumpets
tea
toast
scotland :d
dogging
thermos flasks
jumble sales
pasties
cheer up!!!
edit: :)
there you go! thats made some peoples happy already!!
as i said, i aint gonna deny its sucky sometimes but as they say "dont let the buggers get you down"..
gruntygiggles
08-04-09, 09:39 AM
My view from what I see every day through my eyes.
Lass down the road with four kids. can't be arsed to take the kids to school(don't know the whole story but I see with my eyes and live next door to her mother) and I mean can't be bothered at all. They haven't been for 6 months. They have no idea how to socialise with other kids, they are a nightmare. They got booted out of the school and they enrolled at ours, it took the mother 2 weeks of being booted out, with a whole manner of excuses before the kids came. They were frightened and scared, they were sent with no dinners, and had to be fed by the headmistress in her office. The mother doesn't pick them up or take them to school, her sister does it, she has two kids of her own, so is seen with six kids every morning. Those kids lives have been ruined by a mother who is selfish, and has no idea thats shes ruined her kids, its not their fault. Shes more concerned in finding a boyfriend gullible enough to pay for them....and having more kids.
Theres plenty of other mums that have six kids too. They all have the same attitude towards their kids, shouting, bawling, stuffing them with sweets. All the trouble makers in each class come from families like these. Its not a general sweeping statemnt, its fact. There's parents pulling their children out of the school, because of the behaviour of these horrid disruptive kids, but where do they go, as all schools have similar things going on in between their walls too.
The law has made it so schools have very little input when it comes to discipline, they can only do so much. Teachers are put in awkward positions. For the last few years we have had a government that has had namby pamby ideas, that as a result has given way to people allowing kids to get away with murder so to speak. In fact in this country now, theres no room for a parents right to discipline in what way they see fit either. My son is brought up the same way I was, do something wrong and your punished accordingly. Hes not given a reward for being naughty tow minutes later so he thinks hes got away with it.
Theres always a cause and effect.....right now I think this country is failing their kids, not the kids fault, and not necessarily the parents either, but those that do fail them, I think they need to learn how to be parents, as some don;t deserve the right.
As for 'nowhere to go, nothing to do' attitude of teens......
I have been on the committee of a day nursery and community centre for two years now. Its non profit, and been well established for 30 years. There has been hundreds of kids through the doors, both pre school and those in afterschool clubs. Theres karate clubs, there was a youth club badminton, dancing, alsorts.
The problem we have is that we've had to close, due to not enough money coming in to pay the bills. People can't afford to pay in some cases(which I think is disgusting, use a service pay for it)
You may wonder what I'm waffling about. The council decided rather than put money into an establised good cause that they would put £140 thousand of public money into two derelict houses to turn into a comunity centre of their own. 'They know best'! Its in the heart of chav central, it was closed down for many years due to vandals, lack of use etc etc.....guess what? it has been open for six months and they think they might have to close because of lack of use. We've had to close becuause of lack of funding, and back up from the council. Now all the kids we provide for have nowhere to go.
So then we get teens at 2.30pm on the field behind my house, drinking white lightening, then coming back at 1am and setting fire to stuff. There isn't a place to go at that time, but if there was somewhere in the afternoon, then the drinking would have been stalled.
This happens everywhere, authorities folllow the stupid government with their 'we know best attitude'. Theres too much of it going on, no listening to public opinion anymore. Which is why when the sh!t hits the fan, theres a whole barrage of 'I told you so' echoing from the likes of me and you.
+1 to all of the above. It is a sad but true fact that there are many many parents out there that, for whatever reason do not give their children the care, love and support that should be overflowing. Unfortunatley in many places a culture has developed where it is perfectly acceptable to aspire to nothing more than living off the state to the point that we now have young girls getting pregnant so that they can be given a flat and allowance and gain what they believe to be independence.
We desperately need to address this, but at the moment, it is being done in the wrong way. I don't have the answers, but the current system is clearly not working and I would rather look to be positive and encourage these youngsters than just shove them all under the umbrella of being useless and forget about them.
Who else was supprised to hear that to school boys aged 10 and 11 mugged robbed and attempted to kill to other boys of a similar age??? ... I wasn't surpprised
I was saddened at the fact the two boys convicted of attempted murder just smiled evily when told they would go to court.
Or when I read about a 13 year old picked up by the police for drinking Sambrini. when the police took him home the parents mearly said "he's not drunk, thats not his drink, he don't like that" and simply left the 13 year old at home when he was dropped off saying to the police "I can't deal with this now as im going to get a chinese"............
So the child drinks, the parent knows he's pi55ed, but has more important things to worry about like chinese food.....
We all drank at a youthfull age, but not every night, and certainly not on the streets, and im damn sure my parent attitude wouldn't have been so casual and ignorent.
dizzyblonde
08-04-09, 09:39 AM
missLyleJ I give you cheese rolling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC5ykhXDDbo
hahahahahaha
gruntygiggles
08-04-09, 09:42 AM
Would that have to be babybel?
Im sure a lump of cheese wouldnt roll anywhere!?
Sounds fun though:rolleyes:
Can't believe you haven't heard of this....it's famous don't you know! :)
http://www.cheese-rolling.co.uk/
missLyleJ I give you cheese rolling
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZC5ykhXDDbo
hahahahahaha
Lol! Change my mind - i think i'd spectate! :cool:
Edit - There is one in 47 days haha!
gruntygiggles
08-04-09, 09:44 AM
Lol! Change my mind - i think i'd spectate! :cool:
Yup...peaople have died, broken backs and regularly break legs and arms........amazing the Health and Safety doom brigade haven't stopped it yet!
Yup...peaople have died, broken backs and regularly break legs and arms........amazing the Health and Safety doom brigade haven't stopped it yet!
:oThats pretty insane!
I cant believe i lived in bristol for 8 or 9 years and went to gloucs regulaly and never heard of cheese rolling..how shameful!
Yup...peaople have died, broken backs and regularly break legs and arms........amazing the Health and Safety doom brigade haven't stopped it yet!
as far as i know nobody has actually died doing it, but definately lots of leg breaks and the like :D
gruntygiggles
08-04-09, 09:53 AM
:oThats pretty insane!
I cant believe i lived in bristol for 8 or 9 years and went to gloucs regulaly and never heard of cheese rolling..how shameful!
Just one of those crazy things that makes Britain continue to be a wonderful place to live if you're willing to make the most of it.
gruntygiggles
08-04-09, 09:56 AM
as far as i know nobody has actually died doing it, but definately lots of leg breaks and the like :D
Nobody has died in the last hundred years. When I was at the agricultural college in Gloucester many years ago, one of the organisers came to recruit entrants and thought it would be a good idea to tell us that it used to be far more dangerous due to there not being a limit on the number of people chasing in any one race. So people would get crushed and sometimes killed.
Have no evidence other than believing the guy. Seems pretty plausible to me.
You won't catch me doing it, but I might go to spectate this year!
dizzyblonde
08-04-09, 09:56 AM
we have a book of crazy things done in the UK somewhere, which includes cheese rolling. Some guy spent time travelling round looking for bizzare sports and documented them 8)
John 675
08-04-09, 10:05 AM
Still isn't as long :p and your naming material things..
Dogging.. LOL !!!
We say don't believe the media.. But the media is forced into your eyes ears.. And I wouldn't surprise me if the didn't try other holes LOL
The point is that we need a change.. Because I know very few of you would walk through a sink estate in SE London on your own at night and not feel intimidated by the sea of attitude, hoodies, and basic primal cognative thought which makes the kids of today want to become a vagrant dole dosset
Have no evidence other than believing the guy. Seems pretty plausible to me.
no arguments from me on that one!!:D
SoulKiss
08-04-09, 10:17 AM
You spend time in BoD?
You unlucky person!? :(
Do I really need an excuse?
You're the one that brought up excuses with your "Can I blame being Scottish" :)
Spent about 5 years in the BoD, then moved out to Alford..... then escaped to London :)
Meh!
Escaped to London?
Should it be Escaped from BoD? :)
SoulKiss
08-04-09, 10:25 AM
Meh!
Escaped to London?
Should it be Escaped from BoD? :)
lol - Alford makes the BoD look good.........
Haha and thats saying something... :)
The inmates are running the asylum; Ive been saying that for years. One of the reasons we dont/wont have kids but I dont have any answers except enforced sterilisation and THAT brings up a can of worms! To cheer you up though, Ive just found a book that looks good...http://www.amazon.co.uk/Sherlock-Holmes-Underpants-Death-Chris/dp/1906669015/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239187820&sr=8-1
gruntygiggles
08-04-09, 11:12 AM
Still isn't as long :p and your naming material things..
Dogging.. LOL !!!
We say don't believe the media.. But the media is forced into your eyes ears.. And I wouldn't surprise me if the didn't try other holes LOL
The point is that we need a change.. Because I know very few of you would walk through a sink estate in SE London on your own at night and not feel intimidated by the sea of attitude, hoodies, and basic primal cognative thought which makes the kids of today want to become a vagrant dole dosset
As someone (may have been you) mentioned in another post not so long back, is it a sign of the times or has it always been like this and we just never had the level of communication and cross-living that we have nowadays. It is far worse nowadays as the young offenders have access tp knives and guns and there seems to be a "show off" attitude to being the most feared kid, but there have always been children like this.
There were when I was young, there were when my parents and their parents before them were young. It's more documented now because as a society we are far more inclusive of one another. A hundred years ago the classes didn't mix as much and 200 years ago, even less, so for those that were educated, had access to written media and those who had the education to write for such papers, would only write about what affected them, little bothering to report on the lower classes.
The worst thing about todays Britain though, which I don't think has been a problem historically is that these kids nowadays don't grow out of it, grow up and get a job like they used to. We'll have a massive skilled work/labour shortfall soon that we won't be able to fill with foreign workers because eastern europeans are already starting to go home, realising that life is not all roses here in Britain when you work on minimum wage.
It's just a sad state of affairs. However.......looking on the bright side which I always liek to do, we live in a country where....as has been discussed already, we have a staunch belief in our rights to defend what we hold dear and our long standing traditions. I'm proud to live in a country where you get free and very good healthcare (you've only got to be ill in another country to realise that), where we have traditions going back thousands of years, where we have protected areas of oustanding natural beauty that can rival landscapes the world over. We have a fantastic reputation as being a caring country that has historically jumped to the defense of vulnerable, less fortunate nations and continue to lead the way in showing support of world issues. This year Comic Relief raised 57million in one night to support the needy both at home and abroad and whether you like Comic Relief or not.....that's an incredible show of compassion by people living in the midst of an economic downturn.
We have a country that has been accepting of many different faiths and religions, more so than probably any other country in the world. It has and continues to cause problems, but rather suffer a little and be a tolerant nation that cast judgement and close doors.
I'm not looking through rose tinted glasses as I've shown in my previous post, but there is a lot to be proud of when you call yourself British as well.
Shame it doesn't make the headlines like the doom and gloom eh!
Still isn't as long :p and your naming material things..
Dogging.. LOL !!!
exmoor? cheese chasing? national parks? dogging? how are these materialistic? no my list isnt as long granted but my attention span is awful, i get bored extreme......
MiniMatt
08-04-09, 12:29 PM
10 year olds stabbing each other...
No Jobs... Thatcher era recession saw massive unemployment
Overpaid executives... Redundant made staff.. Thatcher era saw the birth of the yuppie
Binge drinkers... I've been binge drinking for as long as I can remember, honestly don't think this is getting better or worse
Drug abuse... Same - heroin and crack were big 80s problems just as they are now
Peido's.. Spelt "paedo" btw, and again, I can't see how 20 years has created any more or less of these
Rape.. Again, don't see this being any more or less a problem than 20 years ago, at least now judges don't think women deserve it if they wear a short skirt
Murder.. Murder rates, one of the few truly reliable indicators of crime (can't be massaged, and murder very rarely goes unreported) are down
Rude boy culture.. ?
Chav mentality.. Again, really don't think this has gotten any worse or better
Welfare abuses... Is this worse than 20 years ago? There are more Daily Mail headlines about it, but is it worse?
Tax waste.. Meh, dunno, every opposition party for the last century claims the current occupants are wasteful
Nhs overcrouding and under staffing.. One of the areas where massive, massive improvement has been made in the last 20 years, still not good enough, but waiting lists are infinitely better
Bnp.. Much worse 20 years ago. Much much worse.
Dealers.. Dunno, had the same one the last 15 years :D
Hooligans.. See BNP - I got the living snot beaten out of me by a bunch of skinheads (apparently I was a "puff", news to me, but hell) whilst I was working at a cinema. They'd all just watched Romper Stomper and felt like kicking heads.
Human trafficing.. Perhaps exacerbated by increasingly paranoid border controls?
Iliegal imigtation.. Perhaps exacerbated by increasingly paranoid border controls?
Knife crime.. Fairly static, slight fall
Gun crime.. Fairly static, slight fall
Child abuse.. Dunno - I suspect and fear it's the same as it ever was
Jamie bulger case.. Was what 15 years ago? Sick things will happen and people you wouldn't have thought capable will do sick things. Things on this scale are rare. This current case certainly reminds us of the Jamie Bulger case - that there is a 15 year gap between the two is cause for hope.
Damilola Taylor.. See above, horrific incidents, but ones that when put against a population of 60 million are thankfully minisculy rare
Domestic abuse.. Suspect there has been again little change here over the decades, but at least it's taken a hell of a lot more seriously now than it was in the past
Cruelty to animals.. Again, better, worse? I really don't know but I see nothing to indicate to me that this horrible practice is worse now than in the past
Being affraid to walk down the street.. Again, personally I really don't see this as having gotten worse - are you just not succumbing to the well documented and perfectly natural effect of aging - increasing disconnection and ultimately fear of the generation younger than yourself?
..... These are all issues the UK faces every day! I'm to tired to keep adding to the list.. So il stop
I dont think I could do a positive list as long as this negative one without simply naming material items..
Who else was supprised to hear that to school boys aged 10 and 11 mugged robbed and attempted to kill to other boys of a similar age??? ... I wasn't surpprised
Just saddened...
Whilst I can't say that my list is a totally positive one, I will strongly argue that things are overall better than they were. Not better enough, by any stretch, and there are individual areas that have seen improvement or deterioration, but overall I'm personally certain that a gradual improvement has been seen.
John 675
08-04-09, 12:54 PM
I wasn't saying that things are better or worse than 20 years ago matt.. Just because the fruit is slightly less rotten doesn't hide the fact that it is still rotten.. You can sugar coat and dress it up anyway you like.. I'm not or haven't blamed labour or anything on politics directly.. I'm just saying that the UK is ****ed.. Because now younger generations think it's okay to stab people.. Because 4 generations of dole dossers are sapping us dry.. What do you get if your an honest hard working tax paying indevidual.. ?? What do you get if your a dole dosser.. A tax cheat.. Benefit fraud.. I don't even need to tell you! Tell me another MEDC country that has these problems at such an extent?
Plato wrote it was his belief that the younger generation were lacking in respect and becoming "animals" if I recall ...
MiniMatt
08-04-09, 01:38 PM
I wasn't saying that things are better or worse than 20 years ago matt.. Just because the fruit is slightly less rotten doesn't hide the fact that it is still rotten.. You can sugar coat and dress it up anyway you like.. I'm not or haven't blamed labour or anything on politics directly.. I'm just saying that the UK is ****ed.. Because now younger generations think it's okay to stab people.. Because 4 generations of dole dossers are sapping us dry.. What do you get if your an honest hard working tax paying indevidual.. ?? What do you get if your a dole dosser.. A tax cheat.. Benefit fraud.. I don't even need to tell you! Tell me another MEDC country that has these problems at such an extent?
So it's as ****ed now or slightly less so, as it was 20 years ago? So if someone had said 20 years ago "the country's ****ed, it's going down the tubes" (and they did say precisely that, they always have and always will), - and then fast foward 20 years later, and what a suprise the country is still standing. So what's to stop me thinking that when people today say exactly the same thing - "the country's ****ed, it's going down the tubes" - that in 2029 it won't be a barren wasteland of a burnt out country but, oh what a suprise, a fractionally better society than the one of today?
Tell me another MEDC country that has these problems at such an extent?
Well - given that we live in one of the only MEDC countries that has such a comprehensive social spending program it's hardly suprising if we have more benefit fraud than countries who don't have benefit programs. Not sure I want to give up the concept of free medical care just to appease a few daily mail headlines thank you very much (can only think of Canada and Cuba (hardly an MEDC) off the top of my head with comprehensive free medical care).
Rapists, paedophiles? You're saying that we suffer more from these monsters than other MEDCs? Seriously? You think that whatever it is that causes the freaky ****ed up mental illness that makes people think rape and kiddy fiddling is ok is somehow more prevelant here?
Hell even crime in general, I'm pretty sure that the good old USA has astronomically higher murder rates. (EDIT: they do according to wikipedia at least - nearly triple ours - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_murder_rate - though admittedly we are doing worse than France, but then you have to contend with the French... :D)
And i will defend til I'm blue in the face, the majority of our youngsters as well. I work with them and have done so for 20 years. They are no better or worse behaved now than when I started.
However many of our current youngsters do feel hated by the older generations and this bothers them. They wonder why they are all tarred with the same brush as being hoodie wearing knife weilding gang members when in fact all they really want to do is get some qualifications and eran some of their own money.
The next generation is fine!
_Stretchie_
08-04-09, 01:58 PM
Is it just that there is now an instant and easier media to broadcast things on.
Are things actually worse? Or is it just that we hear more stories because it's easier to access this information/get this information out to a broader base these days?
gruntygiggles
08-04-09, 03:02 PM
And i will defend til I'm blue in the face, the majority of our youngsters as well. I work with them and have done so for 20 years. They are no better or worse behaved now than when I started.
However many of our current youngsters do feel hated by the older generations and this bothers them. They wonder why they are all tarred with the same brush as being hoodie wearing knife weilding gang members when in fact all they really want to do is get some qualifications and eran some of their own money.
The next generation is fine!
+1. In my posts, I mainly talk about the "hoodie wearing knife weilding gang members". There is a massive number of young people being poorly judged and treated purely by association, which I think is unforgivable. As for youngsters feeling hated by the older generations......some of them need to look in the mirror. I once had an old lady on a bus call me out as being typical of the youth of today, not having a care in the world or a thought for others as I was in one of the front seats of a bus and didn't offer to get up. Luckily, I was old enough by this point to have a backbone, so I countered her by saying something along the lines of, "It's a shame that you tar all youngsters with the same brush when some of us are perfectly polite, well educated and kind people that have to sit in a certain seat and can't offer to stand as they have a dislocated kneecap. Would you like me to assume all of your generation are judgemental, rude and self righteous people who cast aspersions on people without being in knowledge of the facts?"
Did she apologise? No....lol. I got a clap from two ladies on the bus though and the womans friend apologised on her behalf, but just goes to show......it goes both ways.
I just wish there was less in the way of people condeming youngsters and more of people actually doing something to support them.
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