View Full Version : What do you think to this Government?
ThEGr33k
23-04-09, 12:48 AM
Im starting to get sick to death with all the snooping and controling they are doing. Its like there is no faith in the people... i think this countries moral is at an all time low! I personally cannot wait to see the back of Labour. I hope the party dies, they have introduced so many laws in the last couple of years that it is just taking the micky.
What has really got my back up is this speed limit cut and camera instalation thing. Average speed camera's, brill, it means we are looking at our speedo's for longer periods of time! Grrrr (for more info http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=130210)
So have your vote on what you think!
Jamiebridges123
23-04-09, 03:50 AM
Well, I personally don't like the Government because it's never a down to earth person who's in power, it's never what the people want, etc etc.
If these average speed cameras become more widespread than just the C&F run, all we as motorists (and motorcyclists) is simply not stand up to it. If we all abuse the cameras and protest, they're not going to arrest some 5,000 odd people and argue with another 30,000, if we all get together and have a proper big rally thing.
As Frankie Boyle said on Mock the Week, on "Bad things for Gordon Brown to say"...
"You thought Tony Blair was a c###, watch this! :)"
As I was talking to some colleagues at work today, there's never a happy medium. Government in itself, in it's very nature, will only ever satisfy at least 51% of the people. The other 49% will be ****ed off so there's a constant battle. A people's government is what's needed.
lukemillar
23-04-09, 05:09 AM
..... in it's very nature, will only ever satisfy at least 51% of the people. The other 49% will be ****ed off so there's a constant battle. A people's government is what's needed.
That doesn't make any sense. Depends on what % of the population voted for said government i.e if 95% voted for party A and therefore party A get's into power, then would not 95% be happy? Even then, it is done by constituency so actual % may vary.
What I do love is how you guys boil down an entire government's policies and popularity to whatever their policy is regarding speeding!
ThEGr33k
23-04-09, 05:55 AM
What I do love is how you guys boil down an entire government's policies and popularity to whatever their policy is regarding speeding!
No, not for me, there are many many little things leading upto this, its just the speeding and the attempt to criminalise practiacally everyone in the country thats been the last straw for me. Im pretty sure if things dont improve ill be moving away, this country really is a joke.
madness
23-04-09, 06:45 AM
To me, there seems to be a complete lack of common sense when it comes to making policies and laws. I think that people also go into politics for the wrong reason. Nowdays they see it as a good career and one in which they can make lots of money (at the taxpayers expense). I had various conversations with 'normal' people who have had some really good ideas about what should be done by the government. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter which party is in power, they are all useless.
ThEGr33k
23-04-09, 07:45 AM
Aye... but they usually start out with good intentions. They should get the boot as soon as they start getting ****. The people should get to choose when to vote too not the Government!!!
Are we talking about the "Brown" government - or hte "new labour" goverment as a whole since 1997?
The constant sneaking Mandleson et al back into the party fold makes me think that the same king makers behind the scenes are still in power and nothing much has changed.
I couldn't vote for Cameron's party, I don't think they've actually learned from last time. I guess I would have to go Green or Lib dem.
timwilky
23-04-09, 07:51 AM
any new government can instantly save a few billion by scrapping the stupid id card system.
then start scrapping all the other stupid unnecessary bureaucracy and instant money saving without impacting delivery of front line services
Not being sarcastic, but has there ever been a government that people actually like? No leader seems to be getting any support as far as i know.
Not being sarcastic, but has there ever been a government that people actually like? No leader seems to be getting any support as far as i know.
Chuchill seemed quite popular!
He wasnt around at the best sort of time to be complaining about leadership though...
This government isn't brilliant, I admit.
But can anyone tell me which party would be better if they were in power? With justifications for that opinion?
ThEGr33k
23-04-09, 08:16 AM
Any... Because Brown and his chums wouldn't be there with their stupid idea's. We need an anti spy party! :D
MiniMatt
23-04-09, 11:31 AM
This government isn't brilliant, I admit.
But can anyone tell me which party would be better if they were in power? With justifications for that opinion?
I can't tell you which would be better, but I'm happy to tell you which have policies which currently fit best with my own politics - that's not to say I agree with all of them, but the only party I agree with entirely is my own little private party to which no-one else but me belongs :D
My politics I always used to describe as right of old labour, left of new labour. So my natural home right now is the yellow lot. The blues are making a lot of the right noises but to be perfectly honest I don't trust them an inch, they spent the 80s demonising my perfectly good single mother because that was the bandwagon du-jour; I just have very little confidence that they're not just saying whatever focus groups reckon will get them into power before reverting to type.
Victory for the yellows at the next election is, lets face it, unlikely, so best I'm hoping for is either a hung parliament or a razor thin majority with the yellows taking most of the vacant red seats.
Biker Biggles
23-04-09, 04:15 PM
No I dont like this government and I agree with the comments about surveillance and too much meddling in our lives.Trouble is I have no confidence in any of the political class to do any better.We seem to have perfected a political system that rewards and promotes mediocrity and stifles talent and originality.A perfect reflection of our wider society perhaps?
gettin2dizzy
23-04-09, 04:19 PM
I vote for anarchy rather than Nulabour or that daft **** DC.
At least the Lib Dems are beginning to speak sense. If only they'd drop the EU crap too.
SNP, would finally get rid of you southerners! ;)
Only joking :)
Biker Biggles
23-04-09, 04:36 PM
Give it a few years and I can see the UK breaking up into several parts,Scotland being the first to detatch.Could see a rerun of what happened to Yugoslavia when the money ran out there.
Jamiebridges123
23-04-09, 04:37 PM
That doesn't make any sense. Depends on what % of the population voted for said government i.e if 95% voted for party A and therefore party A get's into power, then would not 95% be happy? Even then, it is done by constituency so actual % may vary.
What I do love is how you guys boil down an entire government's policies and popularity to whatever their policy is regarding speeding!
Yeah.. I was not being clear. I mean that there'll never be a large majority who are happy.. IE there's always going to be a (large) minority of people who aren't happy. :|
Yeah.. I was not being clear. I mean that there'll never be a large majority who are happy.. IE there's always going to be a (large) minority of people who aren't happy. :|
That's inevitable so long as we continue to use "First past the post."
jimmy4237
23-04-09, 06:44 PM
Line up all the lying, greedy, arrogant selfish politicians (That'd be all the MP's then......) get members of the public to shoot them, stake the bodies onto the walls of westminister, and leave them to the ******* crows!!!
Time for a public revolution......
kwak zzr
23-04-09, 06:48 PM
don't start me on the Bl@ody government! T#ats! "lets take more money off working families in a sly way so they wont notice" here comes that word again TAX.
davepreston
23-04-09, 06:53 PM
the problem with our goverment is we dont choose our pm
we vote for our local bloke or bird they go off and the lot of them choose one of there mates without our imput
i'd be a yellow man if push came to shove but i dont vote because i hold the belief that due to the way our country is run its a waste of time its all singing and dancing before election time then just the same old hat and more legisltion with someone elses name and party attacted
I'm not ignorant or nieve to the government and their policies / scandals etc, I keep up with current affairs etc - but I pretty much believe that every government will screw you over at some point in time. I try not to think much about it really, as it will only stress me out through ****ing me off. I've come to accept the fact that every penny I earn, the government wants!!!!
:driving:
Interesting to hear how many people claim to hate the government we have now.
The writing was on the wall way back in 2005, but at least 35.19% of you voted for them.
And to those who don't vote, you have no right to comment on politics or the way the country is run. If you have an opinion, the place to express it is the polling booth - 'They're all as bad as each other' and 'better the Devil you know' are just lame excuses for not wanting to make a decision on which side of the fence you stand.
Biker Biggles
23-04-09, 07:29 PM
I did vote,but not Labour in 2005,and thats from a traditional Labour supporter.I wouldnt vote for a government that illegally invaded Iraq.Having done that on principal I think I was right for other reasons too.Too long in power has made them arrogant and stale,but I wont hold my breath anticipating great things from the next lot.
Actually I dont think it will matter much who gets in next as economic collapse will dictate what happens,whoever is in Downing Street.
Jamiebridges123
23-04-09, 07:39 PM
I'm not ignorant or nieve to the government and their policies / scandals etc, I keep up with current affairs etc - but I pretty much believe that every government will screw you over at some point in time. I try not to think much about it really, as it will only stress me out through ****ing me off. I've come to accept the fact that every penny I earn, the government wants!!!!
:driving:
Yeah unfortunatly no government will ever be perfect.
But uh, who'd be up for Barack Obama as our PM? :smt027
yorkie_chris
23-04-09, 08:26 PM
any new government can instantly save a few billion by scrapping the stupid id card system.
then start scrapping all the other stupid unnecessary bureaucracy and instant money saving without impacting delivery of front line services
But that would make good sense and wouldn't remove any personal freedoms at all :confused:
Chuchill seemed quite popular!
As a wartime leader perhaps. But we have no war, despite what the fear-mongers of nulabour would have us believe about a few disgruntled arabs with no military capabilites to speak of.
As a side note which did rather amuse me, a few years ago the BNP had a kind of "big push" and managed to secure some popularity and a fair few seats round here. I think they would have had more luck to have the "big push" now given the current climate. Or perhaps leave it a little longer and wait for some hyperinflation...
FooFighterDen
23-04-09, 09:02 PM
Humm, no government will be perfect.
I will not be moving to another country because I firmly beleave this is the best country in the world to live in. esp if I get sick, loose my job or find myself in legal difficulties. There is always help somewhere in this country I feel.
Saying that, I do feel completely and utterly p@@@ed off by the chav culture.
The "having to prove your self inocent" if some one blames you for some thing totally ubsurd culture.
The fact that people seems so self absorbed that they forget that in fact we are all humans and have feelings and not robots culture.
The I don't need a job because I'm on drugs, booze or too fat or lazy to earn my way in life so what the heck, scum off the social culture.
And that some people feel the need to get so drunk or high on drugs that they feel the need to stab, glass or hurl abuse at people because it makes them feel good culture.
you can't blame the government for everything too.
I'm not sure who I will vote for as they are all as bad as each other.
Boris should be PM. That would be interesting!
Denise
Interesting to hear how many people claim to hate the government we have now.
The writing was on the wall way back in 2005, but at least 35.19% of you voted for them.
And to those who don't vote, you have no right to comment on politics or the way the country is run. If you have an opinion, the place to express it is the polling booth - 'They're all as bad as each other' and 'better the Devil you know' are just lame excuses for not wanting to make a decision on which side of the fence you stand.
I did ask before which political party would be better. It was a geniune question, yet no-one has answered. :)
gettin2dizzy
23-04-09, 09:20 PM
I did ask before which political party would be better. It was a geniune question, yet no-one has answered. :)
Lid-Dems. They've made a surprising turn-around in the past few years.
Small government
Local decisions
(And I'm not even a supporter of them!)
yorkie_chris
23-04-09, 09:28 PM
Yet they won't have the balls to overturn any of the myriad laws passed by new labour, or cut out any of the mass of deadwood among the civil service.
Oh and sadly in the last election labour won the seat here by a 10% majority. Liberals were another 10% behind the tories.
Sadly around here it does appear that because it's mostly working-class, labour wins it, whatever their policies/behaviour/level of insanity.
dizzyblonde
23-04-09, 09:48 PM
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Oh and sadly in the last election labour won the seat here by a 10% majority. Liberals were another 10% behind the tories.
Sadly around here it does appear that because it's mostly working-class, labour wins it, whatever their policies/behaviour/level of insanity.
It goes to show Labour are cack, when Alice Mahon, long standing Labour MP in Halifax, buggers off and leaves the party because she can't stand and pretend she agrees with their policies anymore. Shes not been quiet about it either, shes more than happy to say how sh!t they are!
yorkie_chris
23-04-09, 10:11 PM
Wonder why she left the party just as she was ready to retire anyway...
The two biggest mistakes this government made and should never have made being a labour goverment was the invasion of Iraq and the knee jerk draconian laws we now have in the name of "terror" prevention.
As for anything else, the governemt are in a no win situation. We voted them in to try and rebuild the frankly crap services left behind after 18years of tory rule. However they wouldnt have got in by saying they were gonna raise taxes to pay for it. The fact that the services would be rebuilt on borrowing was condoned by us and continued to do so by relecting them. I dont think any government realised how bad this recession was going to be but a lot of governments are in the same boat.
My final point is that any government in power will pass laws which suite those who vote for them. If more of us actually voted we might get a decent party that reflects a greater majority of the population.
dizzyblonde
23-04-09, 10:34 PM
Wonder why she left the party just as she was ready to retire anyway...
She may be of retirement age, but surely that doesn't necessarily mean she was about to retire from her duties as an MP?
Shes pretty active full stop in the area, in fact shes a bit of a thorn in labours side, as she don't mince her words and isn't frightened to speak her mind....perhaps she really was tired of being part of a party she doesn't believe in anymore. #shrugs# I'm not really into politics TBH, but I find the state of the country a disgrace. It was hard to find a way out of what Maggie did, but its going to be just as bad with this lot.
yorkie_chris
23-04-09, 10:41 PM
She may be of retirement age, but surely that doesn't necessarily mean she was about to retire from her duties as an MP?
Shes pretty active full stop in the area, in fact shes a bit of a thorn in labours side, as she don't mince her words and isn't frightened to speak her mind....perhaps she really was tired of being part of a party she doesn't believe in anymore. #shrugs# I'm not really into politics TBH, but I find the state of the country a disgrace. It was hard to find a way out of what Maggie did, but its going to be just as bad with this lot.
They've had long enough to recover. Over 10 years. And they appear to have done more harm than good.
Labour spokeswench on the telly was blaming thatcher every other sentence. It's a poor excuse.
dizzyblonde
23-04-09, 10:48 PM
Well I never voted for Mr Brown, who is a clown that lives in Browning Street!
I'd have far rather have had Yogi Bear as PM :-)
ThEGr33k
23-04-09, 10:49 PM
They've had long enough to recover. Over 10 years. And they appear to have done more harm than good.
Labour spokeswench on the telly was blaming thatcher every other sentence. It's a poor excuse.
What they were blaming her today!? LOL
gettin2dizzy
23-04-09, 11:28 PM
Especially when you consider Thatcher was trying to get us out the **** the last Labour government got us in to. Ring any bells ;)
ThEGr33k
23-04-09, 11:55 PM
Especially when you consider Thatcher was trying to get us out the **** the last Labour government got us in to. Ring any bells ;)
Aye, she took us from in debt to being in the black after the Labour government screwed it up as usual. Admittedly she did screw a lot of us (minors) in the process... But tbh that was more the trade unions fault for trying it on, they were never going to be allowed to win. Bah!
gettin2dizzy
24-04-09, 12:00 AM
Aye, she took us from in debt to being in the black after the Labour government screwed it up as usual. Admittedly she did screw a lot of us (minors) in the process... But tbh that was more the trade unions fault for trying it on, they were never going to be allowed to win. Bah!
I'd rather we just accepted the fact there's a depression and grit our teeth for a few years, than borrow extortionate amounts of money and make it last 20.
jimmy__riddle
24-04-09, 08:32 AM
I'd rather we just accepted the fact there's a depression and grit our teeth for a few years, than borrow extortionate amounts of money and make it last 20.
+1
Nick762
24-04-09, 09:42 AM
What was it Douglas Adams wrote? Those who seek power should at all costs be prevented from achieving it (HHGTTG)...
Maybe government should be something like jury service...
SoulKiss
24-04-09, 09:46 AM
Well I never voted for Mr Brown, who is a clown that lives in Browning Street!
I'd have far rather have had Yogi Bear as PM :-)
Will people please stop it with this cack.
You vote for the PARTY, not the leader.
Will people please stop it with this cack.
You vote for the PARTY, not the leader.
you vote for the MP, they can change party whenever they like
SoulKiss
24-04-09, 10:42 AM
you vote for the MP, they can change party whenever they like
I was trying to keep it simple :)
dizzyblonde
24-04-09, 10:54 AM
What I was trying to say is, he just popped up as PM. We never voted him to be PM. I think hes rubbish.
Thingus
24-04-09, 10:55 AM
I don't trust any politician... i'd only vote conservative because the lib dems aren't going to win anyway, and i want labour out.
Heck i'm only 21 i don't know much about much, but this stinks!
gettin2dizzy
24-04-09, 01:56 PM
What I was trying to say is, he just popped up as PM. We never voted him to be PM. I think hes rubbish.
May I remind you of this fellow ;)
http://upperjames.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/dog.jpg
I shall vote Tory:D
I always have and always will:rolleyes:
gettin2dizzy
24-04-09, 02:15 PM
I shall vote Tory:D
I always have and always will:rolleyes:
You heard it here first. The chancellor of the exchequer is voting tory!
Davey C is an absolute moron though. A silver-spooned career politician with a passion for cycle helmets. Argh! Recipe for disaster!
Need I mention this?
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/07/27/article-0-020E725E00000578-571_468x312.jpg
Hint:
http://animal.discovery.com/guides/wild-birds/gallery/mallard_duck.jpg
-ma
+ bo
:rolleyes:
SoulKiss
24-04-09, 02:55 PM
Admittedly she did screw a lot of us (minors) in the process...
Are you saying that the Wicked Witch of the South was a Paedo ????
Diz, you make me laugh!!!!!!!
When we lived in Cornwall, our neighbour used to complain that everyone would vote for her cat if it had a blue collar (it actually had a red collar). I guess it's pretty well true:D
Aye, she took us from in debt to being in the black after the Labour government screwed it up as usual. Admittedly she did screw a lot of us (minors) in the process... But tbh that was more the trade unions fault for trying it on, they were never going to be allowed to win. Bah!
I dont know how old you are but you should really check out your history. She actually took us into recession in 1981. It was only the Falklands war that got her relected. The money revolution of the 80's would have happened regardless of who was in power. She do do a lot to accelerate it I will grant you that, but that was mainly by cutting all services. Her grand vision was that if you gave people tax cuts they would invest the money back in private health care, education and so forth so she could cut public services even more. What actually happened was that we all went on a massive spending spree and fueled the recession of 1992. It was almost comical that we kept voting them back in with services being cut to ribbons, hey as long as they keep cutting my taxes was the attitude.
As I have said before, under tory rule our town got diddly squat. Under Labour we have had 3 new schools, a new hospital and new police heaadquarters, we have a massive and well funded doctors surgery and being a frequent visitor hospitals, you can see where the money has gone.
Any government who is in to long will eventually self implode.
Labour have like any body got things massively wrong and they need booting out so that they can take a long hard look at themselves and get back to the values that got them in in the first place. As for the Tories who will form the next government, I hope for everyones sake that they have learned their lessons from the 80's
BanannaMan
25-04-09, 02:36 AM
There was no keithd option on the poll. :(
And living in a land that elected GWB....twice... (no I did NOT vote for him)
I think that disqualifies me from offering political advice to anyone outside the US.
Probably not the place to mention this but...
The term "lynching" or "lynch law" originated in the town where I work.
There is a tree (still standing)..where Charles Lynch used to hang Tory's during the late 1700's.
Despite what the term now means...they were hung by their thumbs untill they renounced their allegiance to the Crown of England. Three times.
Then they were usually tarred and feathered.
Seems even then the Tory's were known for unfair (high) taxes and nothing in return. :p
EDIT:
Please note: All of my family was still living in Wiltshire County at the time...
.. and would be for another hundred years or more before one of them married some Scottish lass and ran off to America.
Thingus
25-04-09, 09:30 AM
lal, i'd like the idea of hanging the fkers until they agree never to take part in politics again. By the thumbs aswell, who can say that's cruel? Tarring and feather...ing is just funny too.
Public humiliation is back!
What... :smt102 i thought we were all in favour?... Oh :(
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