not about bikes but i want to know this....

[Mrs_giggles]

why do some drivers not understand the stop signal?????

This is what happend was walking my horse down a single lane private road(it has layby'sfor passing due to a resturant being at the top) and i saw comming towards me a large lorry and a car, car was infront of lorry, man driving lorry stops at layby at my signal to stop old man driving car carries on towards me and seems to speed up so i signal again still not stopping so after screaming at him to stop he eventually stops and reverses back to layby, when i get there i stop and ask him why he did not stop i got
"you could have passed me youronly on a small horse"
he seemed to have missed the point if i am signalling to stop there is a reason, i point this out to him he looks confused then agrees i was right,
" i told him that yes there is the room to pass but my horse has not been around too much traffic and is lilvey and i did not want to scratch his car or have an accident..ie my horse going mad at prospect of haing to squeeze past car and lorry, i also dutifelly informed him that due to my grandad jointly owning the land i had more right to be there than him,, that put his nose outta joint.
SO WHY IS IT THAT SOME DRIVERS NOT KNOW THE STOP SIGN OR JUST DONT THINK HORSES ARE EASILY SCARED JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT IN A FEILD????????
Sorry for rant but i was pretty ****ed:ncool:

[Thingus]

Yeeeaaaaah agreed, but some people don't like being told what to do... especially when they're in a car, on the road, and you're on a Horsey, on the road. Have you been riding them on the road long? This can't be the first person to annoy you when you're riding.

BTW i will hold the clutch in and roll by any Horse, but when the person on top waves their arms about like i should get off and push it past i just get annoyed and go by slowly shouting into my helmet.

S'all good IMO. You get one idiot you get a hundred nice people i'm sure.

[Mrs_giggles]

Thats the thing you see i was not on the road, i havent ridden a horse on the road since 2000 when i was involved in a horrific car accident and my horse was killed, i was on a private lane leading up to houses, it even has a sign at the bottom showing horses to warn people. but before 2000 i rode on the public roads for as long as i can remember and its not like its quiet roads, its a main road and very busy.

[Mrs_giggles]

thankyou for saying you will dip clutch and nois not the first person its just usally its not so obvious, like not slowing down enough ie slowing down to pass close and thinking 30mph is slow enough, road had sped limit at 40 mph but its never adheard to as its so long and windy great for going fast,he was comming straight at me.
i dont expect people to stop engines just to use there noggin on occasions

[Thingus]

Sorry to hear about your crash.
Tarmac's tarmac i guess and people won't accept that it's not just for cars... (heck we ride bikes we know all about that).

I'd just take the rough with the smooth and get as much road experience with the horsey so it can become used to it :p

Oh and yeh some people don't know what to do with horses, especially newer drivers or people used to the city.

[Mrs_giggles]

thanks

[Baph]

I understand completely where you're coming from.

Granted not the exact situation, but as some folks know, on rideouts I'm more than happy to stop traffic so the group can get out in one go. There's a large percentage of people that get hacked off at being told what to do.

Specifically about horses, there's a local hunt that starts pretty regularly from about 20m away from my front door. All they do is trot 20m or so down the road, then they're in the fields.

If I'm about at the time, and I'm not in a rush, I've parked the car blocking the road & switched the engine off until the hunt has left before now. Not only does it let the kids see the horses getting ready & departing etc, but it gets me free pints in the village pub. :thumbsup:

If I'm in a rush, then I just gentle go past them all, giving everyone loads of space. :)

[Mrs_giggles]

:Dthis is why i like bikers they have a much wider perception of the world around then than just cage drivers

[davepreston]

give me their number plate my love problem solved

[tigersaw]

I always slow right down and coast past horses.

Although partly to get a smile and a wave from the often fit girly in the saddle.

[GeneticBubble]

Its all down to the fact that cars are higher in the hierarchy than horse riders therefore they are objiged by law to act like a total plonker, and ignore all signs, other traffic.

^^which is why white van drivers do what they want, and all us bikers obay the law 100% \\:D/

[darylB]

It's a not unfamiliar occurrence I'm afraid, a small minority of people don't give horses on roads any leeway. I had one the other day who passed me on an open wide road, passed to within inches of me, any closer and the stirrup would have left a scratch down the car, nothing coming the other way even, I always wonder how they would like half a ton of horse sat on their lap?.

Daryl.

[ArtyLady]

Doubt if you'll get much sympathy on here - most of them seem to think horses shouldn't be on the road full stop. Believe me - I've stood up for horses and been shot down by the majority on here enough times to know :rolleyes:

the last sorry episode - http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=127589

On your side 100% though - have had the exact same thing happened to myself many times - the worst one being a Porche that decided to keep coming on a single track road - I had nowhere to go at all luckily my horse stayed calm and plodded on regardless even though I was screaming at the Porche to stop in the passing place. :(

[Baph]

Doubt if you'll get much sympathy on here - most of them seem to think horses shouldn't be on the road full stop. Believe me - I've stood up for horses and been shot down by the majority on here enough times to know :rolleyes:


Did you read the thread before posting? :rolleyes: :lol:

[Thingus]

Doubt if you'll get much sympathy on here - most of them seem to think horses shouldn't be on the road full stop. Believe me - I've stood up for horses and been shot down by the majority on here enough times to know :rolleyes:

the last sorry episode - http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=127589

On your side 100% though - have had the exact same thing happened to myself many times - the worst one being a Porche that decided to keep coming on a single track road - I had nowhere to go at all luckily my horse stayed calm and plodded on regardless even though I was screaming at the Porche to stop in the passing place. :(

I thought you got a **** lot of backup there :p Only read the first 4 pages though.

[fizzwheel]

why do some drivers not understand the stop signal?????

I'm sure I'm going to get moaned at but, with respect unless you are a Uniformed Police Officer you're not entitled to give a stop signal IMHO. So I'm not surprised the driver in question didnt stop.

Some people are just ignorant. I dont mess about near horses, I dont want a to get a kicking of something bigger than I am.

So revs' down, clutch in if necesary and go past as quietly as posssible leaving as much room as possible.

I've stopped and switched my engine off before and waited for the horse to pass me or until the rider has found a place to stop or calmed their animal down or got it back under control again.

Few minutes off my journey is no big deal to me.

[Baph]

I'm sure I'm going to get moaned at but, with respect unless you are a Uniformed Police Officer you're not entitled to give a stop signal IMHO. So I'm not surprised the driver in question didnt stop.


Yet you yourself have stopped for a horse in the past.

Whilst not being entitled to tell you to stop, I consider it common sense - as you said Fizz, not wanting to get a kicking.

There's plenty of things people aren't entitled to do in life, but they still do it.

[missyburd]

Thats the thing you see i was not on the road, i havent ridden a horse on the road since 2000 when i was involved in a horrific car accident and my horse was killed, i was on a private lane leading up to houses, it even has a sign at the bottom showing horses to warn people. .
Really sorry to hear about your accident MrsG, that shocked me to read :(. I wonder how common such incidents are, very worrying. I thought it was pretty obvious people should slow down around large animals on the road, if there's a herd of cows on the road, noone tries to barge past those lol! But there we go, people don't think. As Thingus said, the majority of people are very careful and obliging, but unfortunately there are a few who are not.

[Davido]

I don't know how it works on private land, but I'm sure as it was public access the highway code still applies.

If so, it would have been polite to wait for you but they didn't have to. Annoying, yes, but not much you can do unfortunately.

[ArtyLady]

Did you read the thread before posting? :rolleyes: :lol:

Yes, but we all know how these thing deteriorate :rolleyes: ;)

I thought you got a **** lot of backup there :p Only read the first 4 pages though.

Read on Thingus....read on! and if you can be bothered (cos I can't ;)), go and look back at several other horse hating threads going back over several years :smt096

Edit - here's one http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=114515

[yorkie_chris]

Re. Berlins thread I'm exactly the same, I do my best to be courteous (not my fault they're daft enough to want to be back in the 1600s is it?), but if they give me some abuse for trying my best to do the right thing then they deserve to go tarmac surfing. TBH this has never happened though.




Here's one for all you tight-pants and slightly odd smelling bunch.

My bike is moderately loud (i.e most people on rideouts say they can hear me 15 minutes before I overtake them...) so to go past one of these animals (especially uphill) requires either to use some momentum, or a little bit of power.

Which is better to? Plod past at low rpm, or go past faster with momentum but less noise?

[Baph]

Re. Berlins thread I'm exactly the same, I do my best to be courteous (not my fault they're daft enough to want to be back in the 1600s is it?), but if they give me some abuse for trying my best to do the right thing then they deserve to go tarmac surfing. TBH this has never happened though.

And conversely, for drivers that don't act courteously, horses can be trained to kick on command. ;)


My bike is moderately loud (i.e most people on rideouts say they can hear me 15 minutes before I overtake them...) so to go past one of these animals (especially uphill) requires either to use some momentum, or a little bit of power.

Which is better to? Plod past at low rpm, or go past faster with momentum but less noise?

From my (limited) experience of horses, the noise isn't particularly an issue, the issue is the surprise. Therefore I'd say plod past at low RPM. If you've seen the horse in advance, and slow down well before you get to the horse, the horse will hear the noise slowly getting closer & will generally be settled.

The caveat to that, is if the horse is relatively new to the road. In which case, I find it's generally safer to stop, kill the engine, and wait for the horse to pass. Unfortunately these are the horses that you can't really spot - and only the rider will know.

[yorkie_chris]

I always slow right down and coast past horses.

Although partly to get a smile and a wave from the often fit girly in the saddle.

Hehehe

And conversely, for drivers that don't act courteously, horses can be trained to kick on command. ;)

I know they've a powerful kick on them, but they would struggle to kick something already in front with 85bhp gently assisting it further...

[appollo1]

When i used to ride horses i was always very aware of anything on the route as my horse would get scared at a crisp bag blowing nearby.

Whenever I am out on the roads and see horses i always slow down to a crawl and if necessary i will stop til the horse and rider has past. I have even done this when blue light driving with lights and siren on - i switched them off til i was past so as not to scare the horse.

[DanAbnormal]

Yes, but we all know how these thing deteriorate :rolleyes: ;)


But now your just egging the situation on though. Ever heard of the self-fulfilling prophecy?

Sorry to hear about your mishap, car driver sounds a bit bloody minded but unfortunately you have no legal right to get them to stop but common courtesy should apply.

[Woz]

several other horse hating threads


Surely it's just a question of logic? Personally, I believe there are only two good uses for horses - medium rare with pepper or sticking things together. But just because I don't like them, I'm not stupid enough to try and deliberately antagonise one on the road where it could cause a s**tload of damage.

[Thingus]

Yes, but we all know how these thing deteriorate :rolleyes: ;)



Read on Thingus....read on! and if you can be bothered (cos I can't ;)), go and look back at several other horse hating threads going back over several years :smt096

Edit - here's one http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=114515


Well i was bothered, which is immensely weird for me! I dont' think we're all against being nice to horses, we just would like a bit of respect back :p which we don't always see.

Anyway i'll carry on being nice and won't do any more than grumble to myself, i don't wanna **** of mr horse when it's twice the size of me.

[fizzwheel]

we just would like a bit of respect back :p which we don't always see.

Yep its a tolerance / respect thing isnt it. TBH 99% of horse riders I've come across on the road have always been OK with me, plenty of thank yous and raised hands of thanks.

The only time I've had trouble was with a hunt who decided that jumping across the main trunk road between Yeovil and Dorchester during a busy Saturday afternoon without looking or paying any heed to the traffic was a good idea. How somebody was not seriously injured that day is beyond me.

[Spiderman]

thankyou for saying you will dip clutch and nois not the first person its just usally its not so obvious, like not slowing down enough ie slowing down to pass close and thinking 30mph is slow enough, road had sped limit at 40 mph but its never adheard to as its so long and windy great for going fast,he was comming straight at me.
i dont expect people to stop engines just to use there noggin on occasions


I do the same with clutch and speed and i pass BIG SCARY Army horses regularly and i do it for them too, even tho i do sometimes think its better for them if i didn't.

I love horses (and the girls who ride them are pretty cool too) and reading about your accident made me very sad :(

Too many a-holes on the roads i think is the bottom line here, sadly.
To cheer up the subject a bit, i hope you watched that My Life As An Amimal: Horses programe the other night, thats was so cool. i'd love to make friends with wild ponies.

[missyburd]

To cheer up the subject a bit, i hope you watched that My Life As An Amimal: Horses programe the other night, thats was so cool. i'd love to make friends with wild ponies.

I've just finished watching that on Iplayer, I thoroughly enjoyed it (bdum tschhhhhhh!). Amazing. Watch it MrsGiggles!

[ArtyLady]

But now your just egging the situation on though. Ever heard of the self-fulfilling prophecy?

....

No I'm not! I'm just stating a fact :rolleyes:

Surely it's just a question of logic? Personally, I believe there are only two good uses for horses - medium rare with pepper or sticking things together. ....

Charming! do you have a dog or a cat? would you like it if someone joked about cooking and eating them?

[yorkie_chris]

I regularly joke about eating peoples pets... Rabbit is very nice and well available. Cat isn't too bad either just a bit of a funny colour.

You should be glad I'm not some gallic garlic breath tosser or horse would be on the menu too.

[missyburd]

Charming! do you have a dog or a cat? would you like it if someone joked about cooking and eating them?
Tbh AL, I think he was being deadly serious, I can't think of anything worse, horse? Yuk.

[ArtyLady]

Tbh AL, I think he was being deadly serious, I can't think of anything worse, horse? Yuk.

No neither can I, apart from snails or chicken feet :o ;)

[Baph]

No neither can I, apart from snails or chicken feet :o ;)

Assuming it's true that snails & chicken feet are worse than eating horse, I could happily eat (part of) a horse.

I've had snails in the eiffel tower. I've also had chicken feet soup served with the Bolivian version of mash potato's (the potatoes are peeled, then stamped into the back garden, bare foot, before being cooked). I didn't have that in the eiffel tower though. :lol:

[Bluefish]

give me their number plate my love problem solved


why? unless you love no plates. i think you meant to say, give me their no plate love, and i'll go round there and give them a good kicking, lol

[davepreston]

mrs giigles = mrs davepreston get it now :)
i always joke about eating horse particularly her horse all the time
yc slow and stead is the way (even with that god waking exhuast of yours)
as for the legality or right to stop a car on a private road, if you are the owner or have the permisson of the owner you can inforce any rules you so wish on that road to the extent of refusing access, speed limits and piorities of travel

[Mrs_giggles]

yeah my knight in shining armour and yes i have the right to enfourse the law on that land with the 10mph speed limit on the road, and no eating marigold even though she is now looking juicey and fat because of excessive grass eating.

[Spiderman]

i have eaten horse at a BBQ when i was on holiday in Sicily. You know what, it wasn't half bad.
I did feel kinda funny cos i do like and respect horses but this one was already marinated so it wasn't like i asked for it to get made into steaks for me.

[davepreston]

so have i but i didnt tell the oc till after the i do's she wasnt impressed :)

[northwind]

Ah, the horse-riders are out, cool. QUestion for you- what do you prefer cyclists to do around horses? I've had so much conflicting advice, I know that pushbikes are quiet enough to spook horses, and the trails I use exit down a lane used by a local riding school so while they're docile horses usually, the kids are inexperienced and I don't want to freak them out...

1) Ring bell/shout a warning? If it was a pedestrian, I'd call "I'm passing on the right" or similiar so they know I'm there, is this a good idea?

2) Pass slow or pass quick? Quick is noisier and probably more likely to spook a horse, but slow is, well, slow.

3) Tailgate (pun intended) til I know the rider knows I'm there? Or just pass? Again, is it better to be past and gone fast?

The reason i ask is that I've been shouted at a couple of times for doing exactly what other horse riders have advised (I asked an instructor, she said make your presence known, and once you know the rider knows you're there, pass at a reasonable pace- then I did this past another instructor and she went mental at me for shouting, then had another go at me for passing too fast, then a third go for passing too close even though she knew I was there and hadn't moved across at all, and left only a narrow gap. The kids were fine but she was fuming)

Just wanting to not be trampled by a horse, mainly :smt003

[Lou M]

I passed a horse today, and not only do I go past really slowly, but continue to do so for quite a few yards down the road.
I've ridden horses on the roads and it freaks me out, but to get a good hack in, along nice bridle paths, you just have to use the roads occasionally.

[fizzwheel]

I spooked at horse a while ago I caught it up on a quiet country lane on my road bike. I kept out wide and out of the way and just rode past it at about 12 mph, the horse jumped to the left onto the verge I braked and stopped, waited till the rider had sorted the horse out and I made eye contact with her. I then cycled past as I went past I apologised for spooking the horse and the rider said "Dont be sorry it wasnt your fault"

Your so quiet on a pusher, so making your presence known sounds a good idea, but I'm not sure I'd want to shout a warning it might be interpreted in the wrong way.

Bit of a minefield isnt it...

[davepreston]

plenty of room slow down a bit and "hi" normaly acts a s a good warning/ i,m here

[Mrs_giggles]

yeah i agree most horse riders will proberbly say dont ring bell, or shout loudly as it could scare horse but if the rider was vigilant they would have already heard or spotted you comming a hundred or so yards off and prepared horse for it and themselves. as mr DP will proberbly agree to is that the road near my horse is an extreamly busy one and when i did used to ride on the road i got used to checking over mu sholder every couple of minues just to check a big lorry was not on its way, my advice an that score would be a hi or hello and just state intention is it alright if i pass you etc... and ride past slowly, most horses that are ridden on roads are used to push bikes its motorised vehicals which cause most of problems(well all our horses where used to push bikes and alot of other vehicals being on a farm its just out on the road and not in their enviroment can cause anxiety , just like if you are taken out of your comfort zone you feel anxiety. )

[wheelnut]

I am hated by every group of road user. I ride a motorcycle, drive a juggernaut, own a Volvo and a Rover:p My landlady is an ADI and I wear comfortable work clothes to ride my bike to work.

As well as that I also post on another forum in my user name here and was gobsmacked that some prat last year thought it was funny to blow their horn at a pretty girl riding her horse over a road bridge above the M25. Surely the horse would be nervous enough without another ***** below:mad:

It is a pity they don't use their proper name so we could go round and give them a good kicking

[Mrs_giggles]

indeed they may think its funny when they are not sat on top of the half tone juggernaught that is going to go mental. cos horses are dam strong and willfull especially when scared.