Moral dilemma

[Razor]

OK, hypothetically speaking...

You work with someone, they've been disqualified from driving, but they're still driving a company vehicle and haven't told your employer of the change in their driving status...

What would you do?

[Thingus]

Well i don't know which of the bottom two it should be, but if you know about it, then let your boss know O.O you could get **** raped as a company. Well, i don't know that either, but i guess it could be a harsh penalty and not just for the guy driving the company vehicle.

plus-There's a lot of personal poll problems going around recently O.O

[Rocket]

Do the right thing and shop them to the police. Think about why they were disqualified and what might happen should they cause/be involved in an RTA.

[DarrenSV650S]

Depends if I like them or not

[Spiderman]

Why did they get disqualified would be my first question. Depending on that i'd either have a word with that driver myself and tell him i dont feel comfortable knowing what i know...or if he's an unaproachable type cos hes a bit scary or something then i'd ermmmm put up a poll on here.

Did that help at all?

[dizzyblonde]

What does your concience say?
I know what i would do, but then I can't stand A*holes that drive whilst disqualified. It may be crushing to them financially to not be able to drive, but they should have thought about that before they stuffed up.
Could you live with your concience if they stuffed up big time and you'd kept schtum and could have prevented it?

[Steve_God]

Depends if I like them or not
Indeed!

[Milky Bar Kid]

Disco Driver means no licence or insurance. We all hate uninsured drivers.




That is all.

[Holdup]

Id tell although id do it anonymously they shouldnt be on the road, just think what they could do, could be some one that you know they injure or worse

[jamesterror]

Depends if the relationship with them is as a friend or just "a friend at work" if you understand what I mean.

Could damage company's reputation / cause more hassle than its worth. If he crashes company be liable, and if they found out you knew about it could lead to to disciplinary or further action against you.

I put openly, but annoymous letter would be most appropriate imo I think now.

[Bluefish]

shop em

[davepreston]

as a previously banned driver (so i know the script) have a word with them and tell them to do the decent thing and stop cos theyve been caught if they do alls forgotton if not nail them to the wall, harse you may think but no cos if they have an accident they are a 1000 times more likely to try and do one than if they were legal which could mean an injured person becoming a dead person

[appollo1]

IF the person is classed as a good friend then speak to them personally and remind them of the consequences if caught driving.

If you feel that you cannot approach the person and grassing up to the boss would cause ill feeling in the workplace then why not inform the local police. I am sure that you can do it anon/annono/.........i am sure you you dont have to give your details. Or even call crimestoppers.

This person shouldn't be driving and how would you feel if they were involved in an accident and someone was hurt but you didn't do anything about it.

This person has already been banned and is choosing to continue to drive so should be prepared to face the consequences.

[Richie]

OK, hypothetically speaking...

is it you ?

[lukemillar]

Well i don't know which of the bottom two it should be, but if you know about it, then let your boss know O.O you could get **** raped as a company. Well, i don't know that either, but i guess it could be a harsh penalty and not just for the guy driving the company vehicle.

plus-There's a lot of personal poll problems going around recently O.O

What the hell does O.O mean??

[Bibio]

grass the b@stard....

because of peeps like them our insurance goes up and our kids aint safe on the streets..

[Red Herring]

Just post the registration number of the vehicle he drives on here, we'll do the rest.

[Baph]

Disco Driver means no licence or insurance. We all hate uninsured drivers.

That is all.

Do you have something against Disco balls? :lol:

Seriously, talk to the driver. "Stop it or else."

If they don't stop, well, they can't say they haven't been warned. Shop them FIRST to the company, then to the police. Ensure you tell the police that you've informed your boss.

If your boss fails to act & the driver is caught, well, your boss should really know better.

[fizzwheel]

Somebody that worked for me did just that, Only I didnt find out about it till after his ban was up.

He said it was either drive or loose his job I told him he was being a tit and that we'd have found a way round his situation if he had told me about it ( I was his line manager at the time ) He needed to drive as he was a field engineer, but we could have swapped job roles around and he could have caught the train / bus to work easily enough, worked in the workshop all day and then caught the train home again.

He got a good talking to especially on terms of driving with no insurance etc in the company vehicle he had been using.

If it was me in that situation I'd want to know, give him the choice, he either comes clean himself about it, or you tell the boss for him.

Then you've warned him that you know, given him the opportunity to do something about it and then he cant moan if he doesnt and you do.

[Tiger 55]

What the hell does O.O mean??
Wide eyed.

Shop 'em.

[timwilky]

Shop him. Your boss will thank you as they get battered now for letting disqualified drivers drive. My own company has signed up with an organisation that checks all drivers with the DVLA regularly to stop just this happening.

Except me as I refused to sign the mandate

[Dave20046]

If I had morals I'd go for the middle option. Go have a quiet word with the boss.

[Kinvig]

Do the right thing and shop them to the police. Think about why they were disqualified and what might happen should they cause/be involved in an RTA.


+1

[yorkie_chris]

It's rare I'd agree with shopping anyone to the police.

Have a word with the guy, tell him to stop being a d1ck. Then see what happens.

[Dave20046]

It's rare I'd agree with shopping anyone to the police.

Have a word with the guy, tell him to stop being a d1ck. Then see what happens.
But if he persists to be a **** then it'll be obvious who said something if it has to come to it :-| That was my consideration.

[yorkie_chris]

And then they've been given fair warning and the reason for it. If they don't like that then tough titties, they're the one who's banned.

[Dave20046]

suppose, depends on what the persons like

[gruntygiggles]

Disco Driver means no licence or insurance. We all hate uninsured drivers.




That is all.


But, but....me and Stretchie are Disco drivers.....Landrover Discovery of course!!!

[yorkie_chris]

Worst of the lot! Lol.

[Owenski]

if you like them, tell them to stop been a tool and deal with the ban.

If you dont like them tell the boss no need to involve the police cos that might incriminate your company and your boss wont be too happy. But do it fast cos while banned their uninsured and you dont want that on your shoulders!

[gruntygiggles]

Worst of the lot! Lol.

But, but......we use it for purpose, not as a chelsea tractor and we live in the country and we have four dogs to ferry round and we're, we're.....we're legal and insured and couldn't go fast in it if we tried......it takes 10 mins to get to 70 on the motorway!

[The Guru]

Speak to your boss about it. To cover you he could just tell all employees that the company needs to update everyones driving records and that all employees are required to bring in their driving licence in order to be 'authorised' to drive.

This should be done every year anyway as best practice.

[yorkie_chris]

But, but......we use it for purpose, not as a chelsea tractor and we live in the country and we have four dogs to ferry round and we're, we're.....we're legal and insured and couldn't go fast in it if we tried......it takes 10 mins to get to 70 on the motorway!

Ahhhh excuses excuses you're all the same... might as well have bought an audi X5 yah posh gits... :-P

Nah I've seen your pics. Looks good fun, my Ma used to have one when we were kids. disco + 6 kids + bicycles + 2 dogs + picnic on trips out in summer, fun times hehe.

[redbouy]

Is it your job to enforce company rules? If so the act on it.

If not then inform the boss. He will act, as fizz said, there are ways around every problem.

[Dave20046]

Ahhhh excuses excuses you're all the same... might as well have bought an audi X5 yah posh gits... :-P
.
Thought they were made by bmw :confused:

[yorkie_chris]

Thought they were made by bmw :confused:

Whatever. They're still driven by c0cks.

[454697819]

**** em... ****.

then punch him in the face from me will you

thank u

[Dave20046]

Whatever. They're still driven by c0cks.
Hey! I have a bmw



...lid

[gruntygiggles]

Ok, being more serious now, here's my take on this, some may agree, others may not, but I don't see any other responsible way of handling this.

Your colleague, friend or no friend obviously does not have much consideration for the law at the moment. If he gets pulled for anything, he'll be found out within 2 or three minutes of giving his name, the company vehicle will be taken away and the company will have to pay to have it back or it will be crushed....that's just for driving without insurance and it doesn't matter if it's not your vehicle. If it happens this way, it is the individuals responsibility to pay the costs incurred by the owner of the vehicle (happened to one of the rugby players I used to work with).

Now, if you just tell your boss, you will stop him driving while at work, but what's to stop him driving his own or anyone elses car? Any uninsured driver is a dangerous one. Your colleague may be a very skillfull, considerate driver, but if he was involved in an accident he would be making the situation for those involved a whole lot worse and if he can drive without a licence, maybe he can drive after having a drink too. We all know what can happen when you drink and drive.

As for telling him and giving him a chance to be honest and stop, I wouldn't take the chance. You'll only know if he's being honest with the company and like I said, could carry on driving at home. As you know, you have a duty of responsibility to your employer to let them know. If you don't and they find out you had knowledge of this, you will be called in for disciplinary action.

So, what would I do? I'd ask my boss for a quick, quiet word. Tell him what you know and that you don't want to cause trouble as the colleague is obviously just trying to carry on working, but that you can't just stand by and do nothing as you understand it would invalidate company insurance and you don't want to be caught up in your colleagues deceit.

Then, go home and make an annonymous call to the local police station to give them his name. Your employers may tell the police as well, but they may also not be bothered. So, your employers can deal with him in work and your annonymous call to the police will mean that he'll get notification or a visit from the police as well. If you do this and your employers don't inform the police, there won;t be much they can do as they will have no proof, but it might be the wake up call he needs.
Honestly though, even if does get hauled back into court and fined heavily or banned for a longer period......serves him right. What if he crashed with his family in the car and he was at fault? No insurance payout, no compo etc.

Some people just can't be trusted to do the right thing so why take the chance??

[gruntygiggles]

Ahhhh excuses excuses you're all the same... might as well have bought an audi X5 yah posh gits... :-P

Nah I've seen your pics. Looks good fun, my Ma used to have one when we were kids. disco + 6 kids + bicycles + 2 dogs + picnic on trips out in summer, fun times hehe.


HAHA.....a guy up he road has an X5 and he's a p*ick...lol. We went to the lakes on the weekend, dogs in the back, me and Stretch up front, tent, table and chairs on the top......perfic!!

[gruntygiggles]

Thought they were made by bmw :confused:

They are...the Audi is a Q7 I think

[Dave20046]

They are...the Audi is a Q7 I think
yup. Very almost had my face in one of those.

[Miss Alpinestarhero]

Id spill the beans to the boss. He's obviously irresponsible and has no respect or consideration for the law. Your boss may or may not report him/her to the police

If (for whatever reason) he gets pulled by the police, then the company itself could face serious consequences. Even if the company doesnt know about him driving illegally, the police will probably say that the company should have monitored its drivers and their licences more carefully.

Second, how do you know the person in question has been disqualified? did they tell you or did you find out in a roundabout way? You risk getting into trouble yourself - can you afford that?

Third, what happens if this person has an accident which results in serious injury or death of someone else? He/she was disqualified for a reason.

Maria

[Biker Biggles]

Id have a word up front and tell him what the score is.Make it clear you will shop him to the boss if he doesnt stop driving and admit to the boss that he has lost his ticket.
I wouldnt involve the filth but thats just me.

BTW before the flamethrowers come out,a very close friend of mine is "job"and refers to it as the filth so if she can I can.

[SoulKiss]

What Dillema

Oh I get it whether to call 999 or the non-emergency number.....

[gruntygiggles]

What Dillema

Oh I get it whether to call 999 or the non-emergency number.....

This made me think of something else. Although I said in the other post that you should inform the police......don't forget that knowing about a crime and witholding that information is a crime in itself. Not sure how that would apply to you, but is it worth the risk!

[shonadoll]

Tell the boss openly or anonymously, but make sure he/she knows.

[Viney]

Id shop them to the police more than the company. Its worng. I shopeed an ex friend after they consistantly drank and drove! Didnt make me popular, but he was a cab driver ffs!

[gruntygiggles]

Id shop them to the police more than the company. Its worng. I shopeed an ex friend after they consistantly drank and drove! Didnt make me popular, but he was a cab driver ffs!

Well done you! You could well have saved lives so he should be thanking you!

[Dave20046]

Speak to your boss about it. To cover you he could just tell all employees that the company needs to update everyones driving records and that all employees are required to bring in their driving licence in order to be 'authorised' to drive.

This should be done every year anyway as best practice.
I think this is your best bet yet.

[gruntygiggles]

I think this is your best bet yet.

Yep, but doesn't necessarily stop the guy driving outside of work. I know I wouldn't want to take that chance!

[Dave20046]

Yep, but doesn't necessarily stop the guy driving outside of work. I know I wouldn't want to take that chance!
If he continues to be that stupid then ring crimestoppers/local cop shop (whichever's appropriate)
I jsut assumed he was continuing to drive to keep his job.

[Essex of Essex]

You have a moral duty to report him.

[gruntygiggles]

If he continues to be that stupid then ring crimestoppers/local cop shop (whichever's appropriate)
I jsut assumed he was continuing to drive to keep his job.

I know mate, but we don't know him. I'd just hate to think that if he can drive in work (how's he getting there and back) by flouting the law, he's not going to be that morally sound that he will refuse to drive out of work and IMO, that;s a risk not worth taking. I just think, if you know someone has/is committing a crime......let the police know. The more uninsured and unlicensed drivers that are allowed to get away with it, the more cost we have to deal with in our insurance policies....not to mention those affected in accidents with non-insured drivers.

I can empathise with anyone desperately wanting to keep a job, but there's an honest and dishonest way of doing things. If he was banned for SP30/40/50 or driving without insurance, he'd have only got an 8-12 week ban, maybe more if not his first offence, but nothing huge. With that, he should have gone to his bosses and told them the situation. If he was a good employee, they would help him, if he wasn't, he may lose his job, but that's a consequense of whatever he did to lose his licesnce. For all we know he may have been banned for two years for mowing someone down while drink driving. We just don't know so no point taking the risk.

It's all a matter of consequence. If you don't want to get in trouble, don't break the law....simple! If you do and you lose your job, family, friends etc........you only have one person to blame.

[Spiderman]

So....c'mon Razor, tell us more will ya. pages of replys to your dilema and no response from you???

Is it you? Is it your alter ego? have you had a word? did you stop caring cos there was too much to read here or are you just worried that if you reply then your well known curse will kill this thread too, lol ;)

[Razor]

It's not me, don't worry. I haven't been at work this week as I was on a course...

From what I know recently he wasn't in work Monday as was in court for driving while disqualified! Not in the company car, his own. My spy back at work sez he's also applied for the workshop position, which is less money, but less hours too...

[Lozzo]

grass the b@stard....

because of peeps like them our insurance goes up and our kids aint safe on the streets..

Won't somebody please just think of the children!!!!!








Our kids are as safe on the streets as they ever have been - don't believe the hype or press

p.s Shop him to the boss then take his job if it pays better.

[Shellywoozle]

Do I need to answer this one as a Police Occifer?

[Nostrils]

Moral Dilemma about a person who clearly doesnt have any morals themselves! They could be the nicest person in the world but that doesnt make it right.

[Biker Biggles]

So what was he banned for?I think that makes a difference.If he was banned for D&D,or something serious then perhaps the "outraged of the org"majority are dead right,but if it was for collecting too many points from Mr Brunstrom is he any more likely to be out there slaughtering all those innocent children than you or I ???