Bike wont start or shift above first gear - please help me

[BigFootIsBlurry]

I changed the gear selecter on my naked curvy today and I think I've caused a problem. All went well and I took the bike for a quick spin to make sure it was shifting etc. I had no problems at this point and may have even said something along the lines of "this maintenance thing isnt so hard".

I decided to fill the bike with fuel as I'm planning on a big run tmrw and now seemed a good time. When I went to restart after the refill, nothing. I didn't worry initially as the clutch switch is bypassed on my bike (previous owners bodge as it has the wrong clutch mount) and its just needed a jiggle to get it going again in the past. Couldnt get anywhere with this so rather than call the AA (again) I just pushed the bike the 1/2 mile home to ponder the problem.

When home I suspected I may have done something with the safety switch that prevents starting the bike in gear so tried starting it in gear, out of gear and all combos. This is when I noticed it would only go from neutral into first. Any attempt to shift up just put it back into neutral. I dont know if this is because it isnt running or if its a part of the problem, but thought I would throw it in.

The other thing worth mentioning is that the clutch switch was bodged with a piece of wire bridging the terminals. Jiggling this wire usually gets it going but when this didnt work I cut the switch off and just joined the wires. Am I right in thinking that this should comletely rule out the clutch switch as the problem because I've bypassed it or have I just ruined any chance I had of getting it going?

Any help would be much appreciated because I really wanted to go on a long ride tmrw and I'm getting really frustrated at little issues on my bike.

[pmapp]

Have you checked the side stand switch?

[BigFootIsBlurry]

Checked as in how? It wont start with it up or down but I've not fiddled with the switch at all.

[davepreston]

you have done what i did
you put the gear conection from the bar to the engine on upside down
took me an hour to work it out
easy test try going down the gears the wrong way eg try puting it into 5th as normal but you will actually be puting it in first

[rockster]

Not the kill switch is it?

[DarrenSV650S]

Are you trying to change gear without the engine running? Because it isn't easy unless you roll the bike back and forward in between changes (with the clutch out)

[BigFootIsBlurry]

you have done what i did
you put the gear conection from the bar to the engine on upside down
took me an hour to work it out
easy test try going down the gears the wrong way eg try puting it into 5th as normal but you will actually be puting it in first


Surey not otherwise it wouldnt have been fine on my way to the petrol station?



As for the killwitch, I checked that.

And yes, I am talking about changing gear without it running. I'm not sure if thats part of the problem, the main one is that it wont start, just thought it might be worth mentioning.

[BigFootIsBlurry]

Thanks for the thoughts so far guys.

I think I'm going to try to bypass the clutch and side stand switches to see if that helps.

For the clutch the two wires that go into the plug are connected together, am I right in thinking that this is it bypassed?

If it is and I go about the same way for the sidestand, will that be both bypassed?

[Dave20046]

So what you're saying is the gear lever won't shift at all? And as a result the bike won't start? As suggested try rocking the bike backward and forward to change gear, with the side stand up and the clutch all the way in the bike should try to start. You could try taking the wire off the clutch lever and checking the contacts or bypassing it with a paperclip.

[BigFootIsBlurry]

Sorry, I seem to have confused the issue.

The main problem is that the bike wont start, as in, not a thing on the button. I'm fairly certain its one of the idiot switches thats doing it. I tried putting it into a different gear and starting it as I was clutching at straws. Lever moves fine but will only go from 1st to neutral and back again. I dont know if this is even a problem, my mainone is definately figuring out what piece of wiring is preventing my bike starting.

Anyone shed any light on bypassing the safety switches?

[Dave20046]

Put it in neutral when trying to start it, makes the sidestand switch is irrelevant. What lights etc. are on when you turn the key? Have you checked the fuses?
Check the wires from your right switchgear to the bike, make sure they haven't been severed or crushed against the yokes or anything.

[BigFootIsBlurry]

Lights on are neutral light, oil and the yellow one. I havnt actually checked the fuses yet, thought that would have prevented any lights coming on at all. All indies, headlight etc work fine and it started without incident about 5 mins before I stopped for petrol.

You reckon its just coincidence that I'd been changing the gear lever? I'll check all the fuses and switch gear tmrw but it just seems like too much of a coincidence that it happened after I was mucking around with it.

[yorkie_chris]

Ignore the gearbox, it will be fine with the engine running, they aren't meant to shift gears stationary.

Probably one of the idiot switches. Probably the clutch one. See if it will run if you crank it by shorting across the starter relay.

[Dave20046]

to short the starter relay*, put the keys in the ignition set to 'on' and find the main fuse under the right hand infill panel under the seat, there is a black and a red wire short these two connections...ignore the sparks.



*I think that's how you do it don't hold me responsible if not

[BigFootIsBlurry]

Cool, I'll give this a try tmrw, can't be bothered with the damn thing today.

Thanks

[Spiderman]

For the clutch the two wires that go into the plug are connected together, am I right in thinking that this is it bypassed?

If it is and I go about the same way for the sidestand, will that be both bypassed?

Yes to the clutch switch question and as said by someone else too, if its in neutral the sidestand switch is baypassed for you.

If your gear selection is still a bit sticky once you have got it going and feels like its only neutral and first....i had the same problem.
Its easily fixed thankfully but i wont waffle on here in case its not a problem. Please post up again if you get it going but still cant select gears. I rode home on the motorway with this problem once. Managed to get up into 4th but the coming off the m-way it wouldn't shift down at all so i had to rev it like crazy at the lights to get going again. Not fun, lol.

[parkinmj]

yellow light you say hmmmm you got fuel in it?

[BigFootIsBlurry]

yellow light you say hmmmm you got fuel in it?

I'd just filled it up when it wouldnt start at the petrol station. I'm certain the problem is electrical but we'll see later on I guess.

[BigFootIsBlurry]

It lives!

Today was the first chance I've had to look at it and it turned out to be a simple fix, just the ignition fuse. I do deserve a Darwin award for overlooking the fuses before I started checking bits of the loom but never mind, it works again. Too bad it was hailing outside the garage when I got it firing :(