Autobahn lunacy

[the_lone_wolf]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syWJbD1rf0Y

And the guy getting passed was doing ~100mph

:o

[Welsh_Wizard]

haha, quality..

[dyzio]

And the guy getting passed was doing ~100mph

:o
...at the end of the video...

Autobahns are kewl :) Felt safer on my 400 mile blast through Germany, than during my 10 mile commute in Aberdeen :D
Just gotta watch your mirrors :)

[the_lone_wolf]

...at the end of the video...

it's a fiat panda, it's not going to be gaining 40mph in 5 seconds;)

[dyzio]

A 100HP Fiat Panda :rambo: ;)

[mr.anderson]

Autobahns are crazy.

I have recently ridden one at around 150 (indicated, so more likely 140 actual) and was overtaken at least 5 times in 20 mins.

Nuts is all I can say.

[fenjer]

insane.

I have to say the Autobahns seem much safer - we used to go to the continent a lot, I've only ever been a passenger though.

[Stu]

Not Lunacy at all :)


Middle lane morons that we have is lunacy

Whats the accident rate of Autobahns compared with Motorways? :smt102

[Stu]

HalkZor (http://www.youtube.com/user/HalkZor) (1 year ago)

The camera car was doing approx. 160 km/h (100 miles/hour) the Z06 was doing approx. 320 km/h (200 miles/hour) on the A31 Autobahn in Germany on Sunday April 13th 2008.
The Z06 was one of several cars including Audi RS4, RS6, BMW M3, M5 a Hartge Z3 Coupe and a Lamborghini Diablo doing flying runs at speeds between 250 km/h (156 miles/hr) and 320 km/h (200 miles/hr)

From the utube comments

[ThEGr33k]

Seems a little dangerous as they will come up on someone FAST! Check mirror, clear check mirror "Holy cow dung where'd that come from!?"

[Jamiebridges123]

A 100HP Fiat Panda :rambo: ;)

those are good cars!

is he orgasming at the end or soemthing? :why:

[the_lone_wolf]

Whats the accident rate of Autobahns compared with Motorways? :smt102
irrelevant - people doing 200mph aren't a representative sample of the general flow of traffic;)

[lukemillar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2RCEqfbj64

:o

[Tiger 55]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2RCEqfbj64
One to link to during the next 'Which are faster - cars or bikes?' thread...

[Alpinestarhero]

Autobahns are crazy.

I have recently ridden one at around 150 (indicated, so more likely 140 actual) and was overtaken at least 5 times in 20 mins.

Nuts is all I can say.

My dad said it was very surreal to be flat out on his gsxr, to have porsches etc comeing past like he was standing still

[SoulKiss]

My dad said it was very surreal to be flat out on his gsxr, to have porsches etc comeing past like he was standing still

Time to get a Busa and a de-restriction kit then :)

[Stu]

Obviously wasn't flat out then

[Spiderman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2RCEqfbj64

:o

:shock: wow. That porsche driver did some very naughty over/under takes during that and got a bit bloody close at one point too :shock: but the thumbs up at the end and the joy of sharing an experience with 2 loons on bikes was nice.

[suzsv650]

My dad said it was very surreal to be flat out on his gsxr, to have porsches etc comeing past like he was standing still


imho i think any gixxer is gona be faster than MOST of the porsche range.

[ophic]

imho i think any gixxer is gona be faster than MOST of the porsche range.
no way - cars are generally much faster in terms of top speed. A gixxer would easily win off the lights but even the lowly boxster is pushing 160-odd top speed. The rest of the range are faster than that (not counting the cayenne).

[suzsv650]

no way - cars are generally much faster in terms of top speed. A gixxer would easily win off the lights but even the lowly boxster is pushing 160-odd top speed. The rest of the range are faster than that (not counting the cayenne).


hummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[yorkie_chris]

He's got a point. Bikes have the aerodynamics of a brick.

[sinbad]

He's got a point. Bikes have the aerodynamics of a brick.

It's the power more than that (which is why a 110bhp bike can still do 170mph but a 110bhp car could not), a car might be a more slippery shape than a bike+rider is but with a much larger frontal area the car will generate considerably more drag than a bike.

[Spikenipple]

I loved riding on the Autobahns on my epic Euro trip. About half of the route from Nuremberg to Amsterdam was limitless Autobahn, and the entire 440 mile trip including 4 petrol/coffee/**** stops took me 6 hours. Now all I need to do is go back with a bigger bike....

[Luckypants]

imho i think any gixxer is gona be faster than MOST of the porsche range.

Unrestricted autobahns can be very scary places! Quite ordinary cars can wind up to high top speeds, way beyond what most bikers can do. Holding 200kph (125 mph) on a bike is hard work, holding 230kph (144mph) in a car is as easy as holding the accelerator to the floor. Things like A4's, 3-series BMW, Mondeos etc can be wound up to flat out there in comfort while we are huddling down below the screen to get out the wind blast :smt096 I can hold 220kph on the VFR but an SV rider would struggle to hold 200kph. A Gixxer would be hard work to hang on to at 250kph for more than 10 minutes IMO.

And make sure you look hard in your mirrors before pulling out to overtake, some of them come up on you in a second! That Corvette in the video goes past scary fast..... :cool:

[Frank]

I remember once on a 3 lane stretch of auto bahn.An English numpty was hogging the middle lane and a German truck just came up behind him and shunted him out of the way.
If you ever see a middle lane hogger ,just sit in the inside lane and wait.
Oh and Sundays are a good time ,because in parts of Germany ,trunks cant run untill monday...lol(so Ive been told by the inlaws)

[ophic]

It's the power more than that (which is why a 110bhp bike can still do 170mph but a 110bhp car could not), a car might be a more slippery shape than a bike+rider is but with a much larger frontal area the car will generate considerably more drag than a bike.
its both. Thrust to drag ratio determines top speed, and sports cars with slippery shapes and ridiculously powerful engines win easily here. Whereas traffic light gp acceleration is more dependent on power to weight, so the bikes win here. And of course as LP points out, the comfort factor is also very important.

[sinbad]

its both. Thrust to drag ratio determines top speed, and sports cars with slippery shapes and ridiculously powerful engines win easily here. Whereas traffic light gp acceleration is more dependent on power to weight, so the bikes win here. And of course as LP points out, the comfort factor is also very important.

You're of course right, but I was just adding that drag isn't the limiting factor for bikes in terms of top speed when compared with cars, bikes have an advantage there even if their shape is less efficient (because of a much much smaller frontal area). Drag co-efficient figures are meaningless without factoring in frontal area. The deficit of power is purely what stops a bike continuing to accelerate to silly speeds like a powerful car can.

[Stu]

You're of course right, but I was just adding that drag isn't the limiting factor for bikes in terms of top speed when compared with cars, bikes have an advantage there even if their shape is less efficient (because of a much much smaller frontal area). Drag co-efficient figures are meaningless without factoring in frontal area. The deficit of power is purely what stops a bike continuing to accelerate to silly speeds like a powerful car can.

See http://www.msgroup.org/forums/mtt/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=955 post 5 for interest

[ophic]

You're of course right, but I was just adding that drag isn't the limiting factor for bikes in terms of top speed when compared with cars, bikes have an advantage there even if their shape is less efficient (because of a much much smaller frontal area). Drag co-efficient figures are meaningless without factoring in frontal area. The deficit of power is purely what stops a bike continuing to accelerate to silly speeds like a powerful car can.
I agree with that - overall drag from a bike is lower, but worse when compared to its frontal area, when up against a sports car. This is why an SV with 70bhp does 130mph, and an MGF with 140-odd bhp does the same speed.

[Daimo]

Autobahns need an extra license to travel at over 130mph I thought (or something similar). It involved lots of euros, and a fair bit of driver training to be able to do high speeds.

"was doing 160km/hour in my Panda 100Hp when I saw the vette coming. I few seconds later, I just got my camera from the passenger seat and opend my window when it came by"

So it came up so fast he had time to get his camera, open the window (a few seconds), turn on the camera, get it aimed, then the Vette came past at a high rate... So he saw it miles back ;)

Autobahns are also made of vastly better materials than our roads, at least twice as thick. Nowt wrong with 200mph in the right hands, but it would never work in this country due to so many complete idiots and middle lane drivers at general "i'll do what I want" attitudes...

[chasey]

Autobahns need an extra license to travel at over 130mph I thought (or something similar). It involved lots of euros, and a fair bit of driver training to be able to do high speeds.

"was doing 160km/hour in my Panda 100Hp when I saw the vette coming. I few seconds later, I just got my camera from the passenger seat and opend my window when it came by"

So it came up so fast he had time to get his camera, open the window (a few seconds), turn on the camera, get it aimed, then the Vette came past at a high rate... So he saw it miles back ;)

Autobahns are also made of vastly better materials than our roads, at least twice as thick. Nowt wrong with 200mph in the right hands, but it would never work in this country due to so many complete idiots and middle lane drivers at general "i'll do what I want" attitudes...

Just on that note...what are the training standards like in Germany? Do you know? What do you have to do to pass your car/bike test? Similar to here?

[Spiderman]

I remember once on a 3 lane stretch of auto bahn.An English numpty was hogging the middle lane and a German truck just came up behind him and shunted him out of the way.


We should get that made into law introduced over here.

Had some bint in a renault clio in the outside of the 2 lane section of the A1M near me doing just under 70. I sat behind politely for a bit waiting for her to move as she kept looking at me in her rear view mirror. After a bit of this i flashed headlight at her, she instantly reacted by shouting (yeh cos i can hear you so well, dimbo) and waving her arms about. So i hadno choice but to pass her safely on the inside lane.
I watched in my mirrors as 4 or 5 other cars did the same and beped their horns at her as they did, she was still flailing her arms about from what i could see.
Some people just need to get a brain.

[Luckypants]

Autobahns need an extra license to travel at over 130mph I thought (or something similar). It involved lots of euros, and a fair bit of driver training to be able to do high speeds.

No one told me :smt102 Does that apply to German residents only?

Autobahns are also made of vastly better materials than our roads, at least twice as thick. Nowt wrong with 200mph in the right hands, but it would never work in this country due to so many complete idiots and middle lane drivers at general "i'll do what I want" attitudes...

Agreed, the lane discipline on the autobahn is so much better - but then again the possibility of being shunted up the rear by a Corvette going at twice your speed is an incentive to look in mirrors and then get out of the way! They also get past smartly on the autobahn, none of this creeping by at 1mph faster..... pull out, get past, pull in - how it should be done*


*Not all German drivers are paragons of virtue!

[SoulKiss]

Some people just need to get a ban.

Removes 2 superfluous letters for ya Spidey

[Daimo]

No one told me :smt102 Does that apply to German residents only?



Agreed, the lane discipline on the autobahn is so much better - but then again the possibility of being shunted up the rear by a Corvette going at twice your speed is an incentive to look in mirrors and then get out of the way! They also get past smartly on the autobahn, none of this creeping by at 1mph faster..... pull out, get past, pull in - how it should be done*


*Not all German drivers are paragons of virtue!

I think so yeah, just German residents. I remember watching a program about it on one of the documentry channels. How much more advanced the roads are... Not just "dig a lane, chuck some stones in, and some tarmac on top" like we have here. They dig like 3-5x the depth, and put layer after layer on with a final higher grade layer on top to cope with the high speeds.

They were with a women doing her actual Autobahm test (was something like £1000 on ££), and she was already doing over 100mph before she came off the slip road onto the motorway. They are taught specificially that its a high sped road, so you travel at high speed, not at 50mph with Dotty the wife in the passanger seat....

They were also saying how 200mph is frowned apon, but you should drive from 100-140mph (hence why german limiters are at 155mph). You can go faster, but if you continue mile after mile after mile at silly high speeds, they will nab you for it. Short high speed blasts can be got away with though.

I'll have to dig, see if i can find some details on it. I watched this program within the last 2 years though.

[Daimo]

Data Check.....

Right its not a special Autobahn license, but a general road license.... Copy n pasted from the german autoway laws....

…Germany is the third largest producer of automobiles in the world (exceeded only by Japan and the United States) and a country that takes its driving very seriously. This is understandable when you realize that a German driver’s license costs about $1500-2000, after a minimum of 25-45 hours of professional instruction plus 12 hours of theory, and such a license is good for life.



Also, if your not part of the EU....

A non-EU resident has to get a German license after six months in order to drive in Germany without breaking the law. Yes, that’s the same German Führerschein that costs about 1,000 euros and requires 20 to 40 hours of instruction at a Fahrschule!

[ThEGr33k]

He's got a point. Bikes have the aerodynamics of a brick.

Not quite that bad :( The biggest issue bikes have is the front wheel closely followed by the radiators behind that. Use Bucket fairing and a SV650 will push 180mph! :cool: But will handle like a brick then. :p

It's the power more than that (which is why a 110bhp bike can still do 170mph but a 110bhp car could not), a car might be a more slippery shape than a bike+rider is but with a much larger frontal area the car will generate considerably more drag than a bike.

Its down to power vs drag. Bikes have a great power vs weight but when the speeds get up the more powerful car's have a better power to drag ratio and so can go that bit faster. Weight doesnt effect theoretical top speed.

no way - cars are generally much faster in terms of top speed. A gixxer would easily win off the lights but even the lowly boxster is pushing 160-odd top speed. The rest of the range are faster than that (not counting the cayenne).

The thing is that by the time the car is going faster than the car and catching the bike is GONE!

[sinbad]

:) Did I write that post in such a cryptic way that it prompts people to reply with a counter-point which is exactly the same as what I wrote?

[ophic]

The thing is that by the time the car is going faster than the car and catching the bike is GONE!
depends on how long the road is. And you'll find that Porsches etc are only a couple of seconds behind on the 0-60. More relevant for me is that by the time i've saved up enough money for a Porsche, I'll be ummm... well, dead, probably.

That article linked to earlier is interesting - it says the major problem is keeping the front wheel on the road - the wind reduces the weight on the wheel. Scary stuff - you might be able to wheelie just by lifting your head at 200mph.

[ThEGr33k]

depends on how long the road is. And you'll find that Porsches etc are only a couple of seconds behind on the 0-60. More relevant for me is that by the time i've saved up enough money for a Porsche, I'll be ummm... well, dead, probably.


I dont know, I demolished one on the road the other day, im pretty sure he was going for it as well with the noise it was making. It was like it was stood still when I decided to go for it. :cool:



That article linked to earlier is interesting - it says the major problem is keeping the front wheel on the road - the wind reduces the weight on the wheel. Scary stuff - you might be able to wheelie just by lifting your head at 200mph.

Yea air planing? he he

[Luckypants]

That article linked to earlier is interesting - it says the major problem is keeping the front wheel on the road - the wind reduces the weight on the wheel. Scary stuff - you might be able to wheelie just by lifting your head at 200mph.

That is why 'Busa, Blackbird and ZZR etc have a mudguard that comes down so low at the front, to try to create downforce on the front wheel. didn't read the article so dunno if I'm re-posting :D

[Stu]

Data Check.....

Right its not a special Autobahn license, but a general road license.... Copy n pasted from the german autoway laws....

…Germany is the third largest producer of automobiles in the world (exceeded only by Japan and the United States) and a country that takes its driving very seriously. This is understandable when you realize that a German driver’s license costs about $1500-2000, after a minimum of 25-45 hours of professional instruction plus 12 hours of theory, and such a license is good for life.



Also, if your not part of the EU....

A non-EU resident has to get a German license after six months in order to drive in Germany without breaking the law. Yes, that’s the same German Führerschein that costs about 1,000 euros and requires 20 to 40 hours of instruction at a Fahrschule!

What a wildly provocative post :roll:

What you don't point out is that any EU licence holder (i.e. almost everyone you're addressing) do not need to change to a german licence however long you are in Germany for.
Also other than EU, many other countries residents can simply swap their licence for a German one without any test.
The 1000 Euros is for driving lessons, not the cost of the licence - doubt that's far different from the UK? and obviously someone with a lot of driving experience would need less lessons so 200 Euros
http://www.howtogermany.com/pages/driving.html

[Daimo]

Eh, im sure the last paragraph first few words say "NON-EU", common sense thus dictating that those in the EU do not need to reake the test...

Didn't write it as its common sense?????

[busasean]

when i lived in germany 1969 - 1986 my understanding was that if you were sitting in the outside overtaking lane and you are hit from behind it is your(!) fault for not getting out of the way. lane discipline and general driving standards are much higher than the uk. you have to go to a goverment approved driving school, none of this getting a mate to teach you. you have to do a minimum amount of hours tuition, a certain amount of night driving and motorway driving along with 1st aid and basic car maintanence.

[Spiderman]

when i lived in germany 1969 - 1986 my understanding was that if you were sitting in the outside overtaking lane and you are hit from behind it is your(!) fault for not getting out of the way. lane discipline and general driving standards are much higher than the uk. you have to go to a goverment approved driving school, none of this getting a mate to teach you. you have to do a minimum amount of hours tuition, a certain amount of night driving and motorway driving along with 1st aid and basic car maintanence.

I so wish this country would adopt something more like this. The standard of driving just gets worse and worse over here. Couple that with the massive lack of traffic police and the only real thing people worry about when it comes to their driving are speed cameras and where they can park :roll:

[Stu]

when i lived in germany 1969 - 1986 my understanding was that if you were sitting in the outside overtaking lane and you are hit from behind it is your(!) fault for not getting out of the way.
That would indeed be an awesome law. So simple to enforce - just as simple as our running into the back of someone is your fault law.
But it would need an unlimited speed limit to work :neutral:

[BanditPat]

no way - cars are generally much faster in terms of top speed. A gixxer would easily win off the lights but even the lowly boxster is pushing 160-odd top speed. The rest of the range are faster than that (not counting the cayenne).




And whats the top end on a "quick" Porsche? The top end on an unrestricted GSXR Thou is damn close to 200 mph, I know a guy that passed me at full chat on a restricted one with a tank cam speedo reading of 186, Nico D pack on it now bike thinks its in 4th when its in 6th thats a fast bike. If it wasnt so far up scotland I would see him a bit more often. Mind that was a "race spec" one that was one of 5 sold to the public that he's since been told isnt 100% road legal but its a gorgeous looking bike thats sitting in his garage next to one of the pre restriction Busa's. I cant see a car being 'that much' faster top end

[hob]

And whats the top end on a "quick" Porsche?

RUF CTR-3: 235 Mph
Carrera GT: 205 Mph
997 GT2: 204 Mph
993 Ruf Turbo R: 200+ Mph
997 Turbo: 194 Mph
997 GT3 RS: 193 Mph

Basically anything above a 997 Carrera S is "quick"....

[mr.anderson]

I so wish this country would adopt something more like this. The standard of driving just gets worse and worse over here. Couple that with the massive lack of traffic police and the only real thing people worry about when it comes to their driving are speed cameras and where they can park :roll:

The difference in driving ability obvious as soon as I got off the ferry back onto English soil.

[ophic]

And whats the top end on a "quick" Porsche? The top end on an unrestricted GSXR Thou is damn close to 200 mph, I know a guy that passed me at full chat on a restricted one with a tank cam speedo reading of 186, Nico D pack on it now bike thinks its in 4th when its in 6th thats a fast bike. If it wasnt so far up scotland I would see him a bit more often. Mind that was a "race spec" one that was one of 5 sold to the public that he's since been told isnt 100% road legal but its a gorgeous looking bike thats sitting in his garage next to one of the pre restriction Busa's. I cant see a car being 'that much' faster top end
To compare like with like, you're probably looking at comparing a Busa with a Veyron - to pick the fastest 2 "production" vehicles. The busa beats the veyron to 100mph (just) but after that it gets owned.

To get to this conclusion i've taken figures from various pages on the internet, that reliable source, so I reserve the right to be totally wrong. :D

[BanditPat]

To compare like with like, you're probably looking at comparing a Busa with a Veyron - to pick the fastest 2 "production" vehicles. The busa beats the veyron to 100mph (just) but after that it gets owned.

To get to this conclusion i've taken figures from various pages on the internet, that reliable source, so I reserve the right to be totally wrong. :D


Ah but the busa costs around a 1/100 of what the veyron costs s if were comparing them in terms of cost then a fiat panda vs the busa?

[ophic]

Ah but the busa costs around a 1/100 of what the veyron costs s if were comparing them in terms of cost then a fiat panda vs the busa?
Yeah I kinda already made that point earlier by saying that i'd be dead before i could save up enough money for a Porsche. So yes i agree. But we were talking about top speed here.

[BanditPat]

Yeah I kinda already made that point earlier by saying that i'd be dead before i could save up enough money for a Porsche. So yes i agree. But we were talking about top speed here.

Aye :thumright:
Still I would Pick the acceleration over the top speed any day, with cars being restricted to 155 at least over here(i think) a 600 super sport would have a better top end chances are get there faster. And depending on your stature the wind blast may not be a problem. Theres a guy here on a ZX6 he's about 5ft tall, he's always tucked behind the screen :] and of course a bike is more fun duhh

[Sir Trev]

All this car v bike speed talk is assuming one thing - that the pilot is launching/changing at the right point to get the max from their vehicle. The limiting factor in these "races" is often the nut behind the wheel/bars as the figures and theory do not always decide the outcome. We've all tried it on at the lights against a fast car at some point, fluffed it somewhere and the car won - no matter what the claimed 0-60 time is...

[Daimo]

All this bike vs car talk is lame, only talked about by those with small penises and feel the need to prove something.

A bike is a bike, it has its flaws and merits.
A car is a car, it has its flaws and merits.

Why is it even being discussed?? This is a post about the German Autobahn, not about whos willy is bigger, who goes faster yadder blah YAWWWWNNNNNNN.......

To those people, save the dribble for the pub with your mates.. Its boring, will be debated forever, without answer....

[BanditPat]

All this bike vs car talk is lame, only talked about by those with small penises and feel the need to prove something.

A bike is a bike, it has its flaws and merits.
A car is a car, it has its flaws and merits.

Why is it even being discussed?? This is a post about the German Autobahn, not about whos willy is bigger, who goes faster yadder blah YAWWWWNNNNNNN.......

To those people, save the dribble for the pub with your mates.. Its boring, will be debated forever, without answer....



Well one of the videos linked in the thread was a video of a car racing two bikes, If you don't want to read a discussion on a forum about which is quicker then there's a really simple solution, don't read it! And its even worse when your replying to it complaining. WTF is wrong with you, really

[ophic]

by those with small penises and feel the need to prove something.
could say the same about those who butt into threads complaining
Its boring, will be debated forever, without answer....
So don't read it Peewee. Perhaps the facts and figures are a little too complicated?
Well one of the videos linked in the thread was a video of a car racing two bikes, If you don't want to read a discussion on a forum about which is quicker then there's a really simple solution, don't read it! And its even worse when your replying to it complaining. WTF is wrong with you, really
+1

[hob]

So were all agreed that cars are better than bikes?


:D

[ophic]

So were all agreed that cars are better than bikes?


:D
Yup. I'm off to forums.supercars.org :cool:
nah seriously. "Better" wasn't being discussed, and if that was the case i would agree with Daimo, it will indeed be debated forever.

[yorkie_chris]

Well one of the videos linked in the thread was a video of a car racing two bikes, If you don't want to read a discussion on a forum about which is quicker then there's a really simple solution, don't read it! And its even worse when your replying to it complaining. WTF is wrong with you, really

Where's me popcorn...
But still. Off topic.



It seems over here the response of some f#ckwit drivers when faced with motorway driving is to slow right down to the point they're slowing fully loaded artics down. Uphill. Thus making everything look much more scary than it is. Giving lorries permission, nay a duty, to run such f#ckwits off the road seems like a cracking idea.

[Dicky Ticker]

Having had a Porsche I know which I felt more comfortable in/on doing 150mph
The bike is more exciting,granted,but also a lot more scarey

[Daimo]

could say the same about those who butt into threads complaining

So don't read it Peewee. Perhaps the facts and figures are a little too complicated?

+1


Yeah becuase i've not added any informative information to the post at all have i......... :lol:

Get back to talking about how fast you can go in a car..... Snooooze....

Talking to ME about facts and figures on cars :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Jog on oldie.

[Daimo]

Well one of the videos linked in the thread was a video of a car racing two bikes, If you don't want to read a discussion on a forum about which is quicker then there's a really simple solution, don't read it! And its even worse when your replying to it complaining. WTF is wrong with you, really


How about start a new thread Cars Vs Bikes......???

Simplez.... Bloody newbies. :rolleyes:

PS, talking about cars, when you own an old Rover???? You sure.... :lol: Well at least your well practiced in car maintenance. How many head gaskets you gone through? :lol:

[BanditPat]

How about start a new thread Cars Vs Bikes......???

Simplez.... Bloody newbies. :rolleyes:

PS, talking about cars, when you own an old Rover???? You sure.... :lol: Well at least your well practiced in car maintenance. How many head gaskets you gone through? :lol:


Why start a new thread when this one was doing fine until some nosey southerner decided to stick its nose in where its not wanted or needed with a comment that's worth about as much as your personality. Yeah the old rover that I WANTED, I would rather own something that I wanted that other people' didn't like than own something that I despise but some one that I don't know and don't care to know thinks would be nice. 116,000 miles and second head gasket, Thing is when you don't have the money to throw around you tend to take care of things a bit better and guess what they last longer not that you would know anything about car maintenance. I'll take a guess that when something of yours breaks it gets towed away to a garage and you throw money at the mechanic to fix what you would have done on your drive in a couple of hours. Pay some one to change the oil on your bike as well?? Try being 17 and paying for insurance and running a car and a bike on not much more than £300 a month see what you can afford.

[Daimo]

OOOOooooOOOooOoooohhhhhhh (said in girly high pitch) :lol:

Actually, have a look at my old car from the car thread in Pics and come back to me :)

Also, i've been there when I was 18 ta. :p

PS, take the banter, its light hearted. Chill winston.

[G]

http://juracid.co.uk/gallery/forum/Vic_Bob_Handbags.jpg

[ophic]

Get back to talking about how fast you can go in a car..... Snooooze....
If I do, will you fall asleep and STFU? :p:D

[zsv650]

wow is that a corvette thats ****in mental fast crazy yank's probably got four cheese sandwiches for brake's though.

[lukemillar]

Actually, have a look at my old car from the car
thread in Pics and come back to me :)

Max Power Chav-mobile! :lol:

You got that neon blue underlighting fitted yet?

[Daimo]

Orph - probably :lol:
Nahh Max Power was awful. "Some" nice cars, but the staff were utter goons.
Neons - Noooo, too much too fast to furious crowed for us.