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ThEGr33k
27-05-09, 10:58 PM
Ive noticed that it seems to be happening at ridiculously young ages, you rarely come across someone that isnt well practised in sex.

So Im wondering what sort of age people lost their V's?

Vote and discuss please. :cool:

Jamiebridges123
27-05-09, 11:02 PM
Still happy at 18..

i'm one of the few decent guys remaining.. besides i'm in no rush to get shagged.. infact i'm with a young lady but between us are not ready.. and she's a lil younger than me so.. it never bothers me..

ThEGr33k
27-05-09, 11:03 PM
Still happy at 18..

i'm one of the few decent guys remaining.. besides i'm in no rush to get shagged.. infact i'm with a young lady but between us are not ready.. and she's a lil younger than me so.. it never bothers me..


Good on you imo ;)

missyburd
27-05-09, 11:03 PM
Definitely the randomest thread for a while! :shock:

Jamiebridges123
27-05-09, 11:07 PM
Good on you imo ;)

All my mates are out getting smashed and laid every weekend, I never go out.. i never get ****ed or drink loads...

it may be boring but i'd only ever have sex with someone i actually loved... otherwise if i just wanted to have fun i'd have a box of kleenex handy...


i dont really see the point of all these people losing their v at like 13 or 14, prooves nothing 'cept you have a smaller brain than the next guy..

jamesterror
27-05-09, 11:14 PM
Jamie I wish I had that attituide my first time, I was a bit of a nob when I was younger though, off the rails slightly, then lost a close family member realised a lot and just changed to become who I am now I guess.

I'm fairly open & will admit my first time I was 14 I disliked myself after this happened, don't regret cos its something I did and everything happens for a reason. I tend to have a lot of self respect, however obviously then I didn't have, I hate lads who go out with the ambition to "get laid" (hypocrittt after my mistake).

Which lead me waiting 4/5 months till I first did anything sexually with my previous girlfriend, recently split up after nrly 2 years as I wanted to make sure the feelings I had weren't just a friday night bitta fun, and was something there.

I'm fairly open about my relationships and things I've done though.. :S

lukemillar
27-05-09, 11:20 PM
Definitely the randomest thread for a while! :shock:

I think The Greek has finally made it to puberty! :p;)

ThEGr33k
27-05-09, 11:29 PM
I think The Greek has finally made it to puberty! :p;)



Damn it. Focus. :rolleyes:

:smt079

missyburd
27-05-09, 11:30 PM
I think The Greek has finally made it to puberty! :p;)
teehee :smt047

What happened to lads bottling stuff up! You're all pretty open, or does it make it easier on an internet forum :p

Jamiebridges123
27-05-09, 11:39 PM
teehee :smt047

What happened to lads bottling stuff up! You're all pretty open, or does it make it easier on an internet forum :p

Personally I'll talk like this to anyone I know besides family.. I tell them nothing.. hell, my Dad only sort of knows about my GF cause I'm always texting her... minute we're off the bikes at a cafe out comes the phone, my Mum doesn't know (AFAIK) and neither do I talk to them about things..

Idk it's wierd, I can't tell family, but I can tell friends or aquiantances.. werd.

hob
27-05-09, 11:42 PM
I thought V plate was engine related :-k

Richie
27-05-09, 11:52 PM
Hummm, you don't really want to know... Do you...?

ok 14..

And it fooking Scared me...
as she was my French tutour as I was the naughty School boy... and the next time I did it was at my mates brothers wedding recption when I was 17.


now Nick... At what age did you start to masterbate? I'm not really interested but just wanted to let the rest of the Entire World know?

ThEGr33k
28-05-09, 12:02 AM
Hummm, you don't really want to know... Do you...?

ok 14..

And it fooking Scared me...
as she was my French tutour as I was the naughty School boy... and the next time I did it was at my mates brothers wedding recption when I was 17.


now Nick... At what age did you start to masterbate? I'm not really interested but just wanted to let the rest of the Entire World know?

Ha ha, 5 I think :p


Seriously, it was with your French tutor, how the hell that come to pass!? :confused:

lukemillar
28-05-09, 12:11 AM
my Dad only sort of knows about my GF cause I'm always texting her....

talk to the hand ;)

Jamiebridges123
28-05-09, 12:58 AM
talk to the hand ;)

Hahaha :smt043

davepreston
28-05-09, 02:12 AM
ive still got my v
its the 3rd letter in my name
see -daVe

Mr Speirs
28-05-09, 08:08 AM
16 for me I was a good boy (actually no I wasn't, it was naughty, very naughty)

Although it was terrible and I shudder to think about it. :)

Anyway has anyone else noticed the 'similar threads thing at the bottom?
Suddenly makes that Rideout Sections or Groups thread seem more interesting doesn't it?

Speedy Claire
28-05-09, 08:25 AM
teehee :smt047

What happened to lads bottling stuff up!

I believe that is called sperm donation Maria :p

yorkie_chris
28-05-09, 08:27 AM
I think The Greek has finally made it to puberty! :p;)

Rofl.

He'll be needing to shave next...

plowsie
28-05-09, 08:36 AM
And it fooking Scared me...
as she was my French tutour as I was the naughty School boy...
You are my idol :smt046 That is fooking classic.

Sally
28-05-09, 08:50 AM
15, don't regret it at all, I was a bit emm ratted at the time, not the most romantic of situations haha! Its all just a bit of fun, whats with all this seriousness?

Richie, French tutor? :o nice! ;)

Holdup
28-05-09, 09:04 AM
Im 17 and i havent yet, bothered? No

My mate keeps saying arent you bothered, why havent you got a GF, it doesnt phase me plus ive got more important stuff like college to get out of the way first, i dont do the wrok as it is let alone have another distraction!

plowsie
28-05-09, 09:17 AM
Im 17 and i havent yet, bothered? No

My mate keeps saying arent you bothered, why havent you got a GF, it doesnt phase me plus ive got more important stuff like college to get out of the way first, i dont do the wrok as it is let alone have another distraction!
I never bothered with a long time GF either whilst I was at school, school leaver, chef (until late 17). That was all until I moved jobs and got a social life back :rolleyes: Damn jobs. I have now been with Kay for coming up to 2 years, didn't get together with her until June 07 (BTW, she is the best thing that has happened to me).

Going to town 2 nights a weekend (when I was a chef and early into this employment) I didn't do many, if any, one night stands (depends whether you class people you knew really as part of it), my mates for a while however did each find someone to take home almost every time. One of these mates still goes to town every weekend and picks up a different girl every night, we just laugh at how easy he makes it look, some of the dogs he has pulled :smt078 I still go out once a weekend, but of course for obvious reasons, I just go out have a good time, bit of a boogey, have a kebab, go home text Kay to say I'm alive and home safe and that I love her.

Your first time ain't all it's made out to be, dunno why your so bothered Greek, she'll look after you matey, whoever she is, don't worry :albino: :smt046

keithd
28-05-09, 09:18 AM
i was young, i was awesome.

standards have remained high ever since.

ArtyLady
28-05-09, 09:21 AM
I'm still waiting.....just kidding ;) :lol:

keithd
28-05-09, 09:22 AM
I'm still waiting.....just kidding ;) :lol:

its ok, nobody believed you anyway...:geek:

Sally
28-05-09, 09:23 AM
standards have remained high ever since.


I'm trying this new thing, it's called standards..
Alcohol makes very good beer goggles belive it or not! :smt100

Thingus
28-05-09, 09:25 AM
The only person who knows what age it was is the person i did it with ^.^ which is why i voted, but i ain't saying, lal.

ArtyLady
28-05-09, 09:27 AM
its ok, nobody believed you anyway...:geek:

Pffttt....I don't look that old...ok maybe I do :lol:

SoulKiss
28-05-09, 09:33 AM
All those with V plates they are wanting to lose just report to Bears tent at the AR

keithd
28-05-09, 09:33 AM
All those with V plates they are wanting to lose, male or female, just report to Bears tent at the AR
fixed for you

joshmac
28-05-09, 09:34 AM
I think The Greek has finally made it to puberty! :p;)
Nick.. hitting puberty?!... that's one of the most ridiculous things I think I've heard! :mrgreen:


Hummm, you don't really want to know... Do you...?

ok 14..

And it fooking Scared me...
as she was my French tutour as I was the naughty School boy... and the next time I did it was at my mates brothers wedding recption when I was 17.

8) Nicely done

talk to the hand ;)
Ba-dum-tsh!
Rofl.

He'll be needing to shave next...
There's always one who takes the ridiculous too far. Who on earth would EVER believe that?! :p:lol:

plowsie
28-05-09, 09:35 AM
All those with V plates they are wanting to lose just report to Bears tent at the AR
Conciousness is not an issue.

:smt026

joshmac
28-05-09, 09:36 AM
All those with V plates they (with or without a pulse) are wanting to lose just report to Bears tent at the AR
:shock: lol

SoulKiss
28-05-09, 09:36 AM
fixed for you

Didn't need fixing - it was all inclusive :)

Also applies to any pets anyone is bringing along :)

joshmac
28-05-09, 09:37 AM
Conciousness is not an issue.

:smt026
Bugger. Beat me to it! :lol:

keithd
28-05-09, 09:41 AM
Bugger.

how very apt...

missyburd
28-05-09, 09:45 AM
I believe that is called sperm donation Maria :p

:smt046:flower:



Anyway has anyone else noticed the 'similar threads thing at the bottom?
Suddenly makes that Rideout Sections or Groups thread seem more interesting doesn't it?
I noticed that the other day, is it a new thing?

chasey
28-05-09, 09:47 AM
This thread is worthless without pictures...:alien:

plowsie
28-05-09, 09:48 AM
This thread is worthless without pictures...:alien:
*Remembers back to Jackass two sketch with Weeman and the Lady who leapt on him*

*Shudders*

joshmac
28-05-09, 09:50 AM
how very apt...
:mrgreen:

:smt046:flower:



I noticed that the other day, is it a new thing?
Yeah, well it's an old thing that's been re-instated AFAIK. It was requested by Hovis(?) in the forum suggestions section to reduce the number of duplicate threads...

Stingo
28-05-09, 09:54 AM
I'm trying this new thing, it's called standards..
Alcohol makes very good beer goggles belive it or not! :smt100
I have standards. They are set quite low and I am able to consistently fail to achieve them.:smt107

timwilky
28-05-09, 10:05 AM
I was young stupid, she was an experienced younger woman and I was putty in her hands. She treated me as a piece of meat for her own gratification.

I felt used and abused. and had to go back out with her again just to convince myself there was more to our relationship than sex. Happily there wasn't, but it was fun whilst it lasted

Stingo
28-05-09, 10:13 AM
I was young stupid, she was an experienced younger woman and I was putty in her hands. She treated me as a piece of meat for her own gratification.

I felt used and abused. and had to go back out with her again just to convince myself there was more to our relationship than sex. Happily there wasn't, but it was fun whilst it lasted

Hmmm...this seems vaguely familiar...she was obviously jolly busy...:D

carty
28-05-09, 10:13 AM
I was young stupid, she was an experienced younger woman and I was putty in her hands. She treated me as a piece of meat for her own gratification.

I think that's what the greek's getting at....they're all like that nowadays, experienced at a young age..

I was 15, with my (now ex, ex, ex, etc) girlfriend :makelurve:

Owenski
28-05-09, 10:13 AM
16,
Had a GF from late 14 through to 19 she was a year younger than I but in the same school year. Cracking pair and a dancer so very nimble they were the best and most exhusting 3years of my life.

Who ever it was that nailed their tutor that gets a high five! well done that man!
Although its sick that you were 14 and she did you.

Dave20046
28-05-09, 10:59 AM
You've left off the 'not lost it yet' option :neutral:


:smt083

keithd
28-05-09, 11:03 AM
alarmingly, 14 or less is "winning"

vardypeeps
28-05-09, 12:12 PM
18 for me.
Didn't mind waiting/Find the right person.
I'm still with the same lass nearly 6 years later

Daimo
28-05-09, 12:21 PM
i dont really see the point of all these people losing their v at like 13 or 14, prooves nothing 'cept you have a smaller brain than the next guy..


What a load of tosh said by someone who can't get laid.

I got it early with a long term girlfriend. It doesn't prove i have a smaller brain, it just means when you meet another 18 yo girl who's up for it, I wouldn't have vastly more experience thus probably a better lover.....

Man the f*ck up and go get some poo tang. Its one of lifes free pleasures.

Nothing wrong with being a nice guy and getting laid as well....

muffles
28-05-09, 12:22 PM
Hahaha Nick this thread is very you. That is all! :p

plowsie
28-05-09, 12:24 PM
Hahaha Nick this thread is very you. That is all! :p
How many profile visits, how many visitor messages and now age you lost your v plates.

I await the next thread ;)

Stu
28-05-09, 12:25 PM
Although its sick that you were 14 and she did you.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2222/2448397143_809c9119d4.jpg?v=0

muffles
28-05-09, 12:26 PM
How many profile visits, how many visitor messages and now age you lost your v plates.

I await the next thread ;)

"How many GCSEs should I do"
"Recommend me a shaving guide"
"Why the Falco is the bestest bike ever ever ever. Ever."

;)

plowsie
28-05-09, 12:28 PM
"How many GCSEs should I do"
"Recommend me a shaving guide"
"Why the Falco is the bestest bike ever ever ever. Ever."

;)
I was thinking more along the lines that it will progress on a bit:

"What is your third leg measurement?"
"Where do you go out of an evening?"
"What is your perfect partner?"

muffles
28-05-09, 12:36 PM
I was thinking more along the lines that it will progress on a bit:

"What is your third leg measurement?"
"Where do you go out of an evening?"
"What is your perfect partner?"

Lol....I better get settled in for a fun night then :p

hovis
28-05-09, 12:57 PM
Yeah, well it's an old thing that's been re-instated AFAIK. It was requested by Hovis(?) in the forum suggestions section to reduce the number of duplicate threads...

not realy what i was sugesting, but still a good idea

ThEGr33k
28-05-09, 02:29 PM
You've left off the 'not lost it yet' option :neutral:


:smt083

Just dont vote. :)

alarmingly, 14 or less is "winning"

Indeed, its more common than I thought. Tsh.

18 for me.
Didn't mind waiting/Find the right person.
I'm still with the same lass nearly 6 years later

Good that you met a good lady! :cool:

What a load of tosh said by someone who can't get laid.

I dont think getting laid is really that hard if thats the aim of the game? :rolleyes:

Hahaha Nick this thread is very you. That is all! :p

Whats wrong... my threads are great! :geek:

How many profile visits, how many visitor messages and now age you lost your v plates.

I await the next thread ;)

"How many GCSEs should I do"
"Recommend me a shaving guide"
"Why the Falco is the bestest bike ever ever ever. Ever."

;)


I like the last one! :rave: he he

Daimo
28-05-09, 02:35 PM
I dont think getting laid is really that hard if thats the aim of the game? :rolleyes:


not as in going out and getting different women every night (chance would have been a fine thing at 18 lol)....

I meant as in getting nookie pretty much whenever off a long term gf....

I had a big lul between 16 and 17... A year was too long :(

ThEGr33k
28-05-09, 02:36 PM
I had a big lul between 16 and 17... A year was too long :(

LOL :rolleyes:

Paws
28-05-09, 02:41 PM
16 and i was v v v drunk.
My cousin was 13 and most of us on here know how that ended up (shes 15 2moz and her son is 1 in Aug)

Magnum
28-05-09, 03:36 PM
Still pending. Im not ashamed but im not proud. If i had the chance then i would take it - i can only see how the summer goes, and although im in no hurry it would be good before my 18th.

Owenski
28-05-09, 03:55 PM
not sure if it should be in the drunken stupid thread or this one but on a mates stag do to Krakow in March we paid for one of the lads on the football team to have a bird at the brothel, He was 20 and only a couple of ppl knew he was a virgin so no-one belived him we pretty much bullied him into it. I felt rotten the next morning felt really sorry for the lad. Bloody halarious at the time mind! :D

joshmac
28-05-09, 04:00 PM
not realy what i was sugesting, but still a good idea
So it was more before you start a new thread? I guess this is the next best thing...

joshmac
28-05-09, 04:00 PM
not sure if it should be in the drunken stupid thread or this one but on a mates stag do to Krakow in March we paid for one of the lads on the football team to have a bird at the brothel, He was 20 and only a couple of ppl knew he was a virgin so no-one belived him we pretty much bullied him into it. I felt rotten the next morning felt really sorry for the lad. Bloody halarious at the time mind! :D
You rotter! :lol::cool:

missyburd
28-05-09, 04:05 PM
it would be good before my 18th.
Wtf? why does it matter? If it happens it happens, age shouldn't be a factor at all (unless you've not hit puberty like Gr33k :-P).

Magnum
28-05-09, 04:07 PM
Wtf? why does it matter? If it happens it happens, age shouldn't be a factor at all (unless you've not hit puberty like Gr33k :-P).


Because no one wants to bang a virgin (boy) ;)
Its not really a target, but it'd just be good before then.

joshmac
28-05-09, 04:09 PM
Because no one wants to bang a virgin (boy) ;)
Its not really a target, but it'd just be good before then.
Dunno about that.. I bet Venom would give it a go! :lol: (J/K)

missyburd
28-05-09, 04:09 PM
Because no one wants to bang a virgin (boy) ;)
Its not really a target, but it'd just be good before then.
So don't air it about you are one then. Just get on with it, I didn't think conversation was always a big part of first times, not when alcohol's involved anyway :-P

SoulKiss
28-05-09, 04:09 PM
Dont know what this is all about anyway

You haven't really lost your V Plate until you wake up next to Bear

Just ask Raf :mrgreen:

Magnum
28-05-09, 04:11 PM
So don't air it about you are one then. Just get on with it, I didn't think conversation was always a big part of first times, not when alcohol's involved anyway :-P


I dont air it, but it just gets around which is pretty annoying and ruins chances i could have. A similar thing happened last saturday, but things might turn around for the better...

Dave20046
28-05-09, 04:14 PM
Because no one wants to bang a virgin (boy) ;)
Its not really a target, but it'd just be good before then.
Best plan's to get drunk I understand it really hurts the first time and you may bleed....

I dont air it, but it just gets around which is pretty annoying and ruins chances i could have. A similar thing happened last saturday, but things might turn around for the better...
Honestly, I don't think it matters to them. It's just daft programs like the inbetweeners etc that focus on that stuff for a laugh (mainly as it's written by oldies).

Magnum
28-05-09, 04:15 PM
Best plan's to get drunk I understand it really hurts the first time and you may bleed....

:smt043you sick ba$tard. It will be straight.

yorkie_chris
28-05-09, 04:23 PM
Best plan's to get drunk I understand it really hurts the first time and you may bleed....


:smt043:smt043

muffles
28-05-09, 04:37 PM
LOL :rolleyes:

Don't worry the time will come when you too will have your own lull :lol:

yorkie_chris
28-05-09, 04:42 PM
So what does she look like anyway gr33k? Is she a 10 pinter? :-P

muffles
28-05-09, 04:46 PM
So what does she look like anyway gr33k? Is she a 10 pinter? :-P

+1

P.s. you know apple pie, American Pie-style, doesn't count right?

lukemillar
28-05-09, 10:07 PM
+1

P.s. you know apple pie, American Pie-style, doesn't count right?

Neither does Madame palm and her 5 dirty little daughters:p

Holdup
28-05-09, 10:11 PM
Dont know what this is all about anyway

You haven't really lost your V Plate until you wake up next to Bear

Just ask Raf :mrgreen:

Is bear like your creepy uncle who isnt your actual uncle?

Im not really a go out gettin pi$$ed person, id like to meet a girl idc if she still is a v or not, who i respect and she respects me back, im not old fashioned, just really should be a good first time not with some $lut you pick on on the steets one night who is fooked out of her head.

Sally
28-05-09, 10:40 PM
Im not really a go out gettin pi$$ed person, id like to meet a girl idc if she still is a v or not, who i respect and she respects me back, im not old fashioned, just really should be a good first time not with some $lut you pick on on the steets one night who is fooked out of his head.

That would be me..

Any offers? ;)

Holdup
28-05-09, 11:31 PM
That would be me..

Any offers? ;)

:drink::smt079

Richie
28-05-09, 11:48 PM
Best plan's to get drunk I understand it really hurts the first time and you may bleed....

.


This has to be the funnyest thing I've ever Read... Ever... :salut:


:drink::smt022

BanditPat
28-05-09, 11:58 PM
14 I cant say I enjoyed it exactly it was in the park with my at the time girlfriend. I was drunk and intoxicated in another way. Haven't had any since then and tbh I don't care any more how long I have to wait now, I came to terms with the fact people don't go for ugly, thick, boring people. Chances are im not gonna meet a drunk girl because I'm not a big drinker oh well..

joshmac
29-05-09, 12:08 AM
14 I cant say I enjoyed it exactly it was in the park with my at the time girlfriend. I was drunk and intoxicated in another way. Haven't had any since then and tbh I don't care any more how long I have to wait now, I came to terms with the fact people don't go for ugly, thick, boring people. Chances are im not gonna meet a drunk girl because I'm not a big drinker oh well..
Who says you have to be drunk too ;) (Joking before anyone shouts at me! :lol:)

Lozzo
29-05-09, 12:10 AM
Me - 14

Her - 13

We'd been together 3 years by then, and we went halves on a beautiful daughter when I was 19. She is still one of my closest friends - in fact since my oldest friend Becky died I suppose Caron has been my closest friend.

BanditPat
29-05-09, 12:11 AM
Who says you have to be drunk too ;) (Joking before anyone shouts at me! :lol:)


LOL I have no confidence unless im wrecked ;]

Jamiebridges123
29-05-09, 12:17 AM
LOL I have no confidence unless im wrecked ;]

Lololol. :p

Work up on the confidence without being wrecked.. being confident doesn't need to come with lack of ability to stand up :p

joshmac
29-05-09, 12:18 AM
Lololol. :p

Work up on the confidence without being wrecked.. being confident doesn't need to come with lack of ability to stand up :p
Helps though ;)

joshmac
29-05-09, 12:19 AM
LOL I have no confidence unless im wrecked ;]
You don't need to be confident if she's wrecked... apparently

Jamiebridges123
29-05-09, 12:20 AM
You don't need to be confident if she's wrecked... apparently

LOL yeah I can imagine that XD :drink: :smt043

BanditPat
29-05-09, 12:27 AM
Lololol. :p

Work up on the confidence without being wrecked.. being confident doesn't need to come with lack of ability to stand up :p


The longer I'm away from work the better it gets, I just hate having to go to work and get told every day for 8 hours a day "You're Ugly". Cant wait to get away from those people.

You don't need to be confident if she's wrecked... apparently


Well I wouldnt know ;]

joshmac
29-05-09, 12:30 AM
The longer I'm away from work the better it gets, I just hate having to go to work and get told every day for 8 hours a day "You're Ugly". Cant wait to get away from those people.


What a bunch of c*nts! Where do you work? Are they all super models then?


Well I wouldnt know ;]


:-dd

Jamiebridges123
29-05-09, 12:34 AM
The longer I'm away from work the better it gets, I just hate having to go to work and get told every day for 8 hours a day "You're Ugly". Cant wait to get away from those people.


Wow what pr*cks. Ignore them... you're better inside.. :smt043

BanditPat
29-05-09, 12:35 AM
What a bunch of c*nts! Where do you work? Are they all super models then?


:-dd


Its an apprenticeship, not what I wanna do, In an ideal world I would be a police dog handler or a doctor. But im not yet but at least I have something to work towards. Most of the people I work with are c*ck head rugby players. But I spent since i was 11 getting the **** ripped out of me hopefully a few more months wont be to bad.

joshmac
29-05-09, 12:38 AM
Its an apprenticeship, not what I wanna do, In an ideal world I would be a police dog handler or a doctor. But im not yet but at least I have something to work towards. Most of the people I work with are c*ck head rugby players. But I spent since i was 11 getting the **** ripped out of me hopefully a few more months wont be to bad.
Rideout to Whitehaven anyone? ;)

muffles
29-05-09, 07:17 AM
Neither does Madame palm and her 5 dirty little daughters:p

Palmela Anderson and her 5 friends :lol:

startrek.steve
29-05-09, 07:43 AM
Damn it. Focus. :rolleyes:

:smt079

He'll be practising shaving next!

Steve

yorkie_chris
30-05-09, 01:47 PM
You don't need to be confident if she's wrecked... apparently

http://www.thefiledump.net/pictures/m/motivation25124.jpg

GeneticBubble
30-05-09, 03:11 PM
Im 17 and i havent yet, bothered? No

My mate keeps saying arent you bothered, why havent you got a GF, it doesnt phase me plus ive got more important stuff like college to get out of the way first, i dont do the wrok as it is let alone have another distraction!


that sounded like it came from the mouths of my mates, btw im 18 and still got my V plate :cool:

Dave20046
30-05-09, 06:56 PM
Could i be possible that it's because we all spend too much time on the internet :scratch: .....

:-dd