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So, I've been thinking about this whole 'Labour down the tubes' thing, and I'm wondering what everyone else in .Org-land is thinking about it.
Personally, I'm starting to wonder if Brown can survive the summer - I wouldn't be at all surprised to see him gone by July - and if that happens, I don't believe the Labour Party can sustain another unelected leadership change without calling an election - so I'm thinking we might well see an election this side of Christmas. In fact, I've been thinking it might be the second Thursday in September, for some reason.
Anyone else with me? Vote in the poll/let's hear your thoughts!
Poll? ;)
I know its just coming
Poll? ;)
I know its just coming
One cannot post a poll until after the post has been made. It takes a minute to type all those options, you know ;)
keithd
Cheers, valuable contribution that #-o
;)
thedonal
08-06-09, 07:01 PM
I'm voting KeithD on this one.
The Tories are likely to get back in and I doubt they'll do any better. I think part of the issue is spin at the moment- even if Gordo is not the best PM by a long stretch, if anyone was in his place at the moment they'd be under just as much fire- a global recession caused by bad lending policy of banks and self (ie no) regulation, followed by publication of MP's expenses (which was not just a Labour issue).
So who would be better? Have Lib Dems much experience of running a whole country, rather than just a few constituencies? No. Could be a good thing, but probably not.
And then there's the fringe groups and (heaven help us) the BNP etc. Aside from their short portfolio of policies that get them the votes and attention they get, have they really a clue about the wider picture? Probably not.
So I guess vote away- I don't think there's really anyone around at the moment who'd run the country any better (though Boris may be entertaining for a few years!!)
fizzwheel
08-06-09, 07:05 PM
I cant see Brown going anywhere quickly. He waited along time to be PM and he wont be giving that up. He's so far out of touch with his electorate he doesnt even realise that we dont want him anymore.
He wont call a general election untill he possibly definately has to, because he's to scared that he will loose.
I think he's in an untenable position and I'm reminded of how the Tories were when they chucked out John Major finally....
I actually thought that David Cameron dealt with the whole MP expenses thing a little more sensibly, i.e. telling people that they had to pay money back and suspending people. Then they went and revealed what he had spent our money on...
Its a complete mess and it is IMHO time for a change...
My guess is October this year.
Biker Biggles
08-06-09, 07:08 PM
I predict revolution before the New Year.
madness
08-06-09, 07:12 PM
I don't think there's really anyone around at the moment who'd run the country any better (though Boris may be entertaining for a few years!!)
That is exactly the problem, all the main parties are much the same and have stagnated. I think the time is right for a new party to emerge, one which talks common sense and has members with integrity. One that will look after the working man/woman, one that will tackle the issues that need tackling and isn't scared to upset a few people.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the '.org'
You might think I'm joking, but would we obviously do any worse? Granted we might not be hot on economics or foreign policy, but that's what civil servants are paid for, to advise the government.
Biker Biggles
08-06-09, 07:22 PM
That is exactly the problem, all the main parties are much the same and have stagnated. I think the time is right for a new party to emerge, one which talks common sense and has members with integrity. One that will look after the working man/woman, one that will tackle the issues that need tackling and isn't scared to upset a few people.
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the '.org'
You might think I'm joking, but would we obviously do any worse? Granted we might not be hot on economics or foreign policy, but that's what civil servants are paid for, to advise the government.
Madness! Sheer madness.Look who wrote that:D
Actually you are absolutely right.The exposure and demystification of the charlatans that have wielded power over us for decades could be the best thing that has happened since the 70s =D>
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the '.org'
You might think I'm joking, but would we obviously do any worse? Granted we might not be hot on economics or foreign policy, but that's what civil servants are paid for, to advise the government.
All you really need is the following:
- Philosophy. (the pursuit of true democracy?)
- Manifesto (no speed limit for bikes? :rolleyes:)
- Members (the .Org)
- Funding.
For local elections, you only need to pay for your own marketing material. For general, it'll cost £500 to run, plus marketing costs.
According to the Political Parties, Elections & Referendums Act 2000, anyone can stand as a candidate, and the easiest way is to not pruport to be representing any known (registered) party.
Madness for PM!! (how good is that for a slogan! :D )
On topic, I'm not really given to predictions as to when the government falls. :)
Brown will hang on in there, backed by the Parliamentary Labour Party that knows that if there were an election now, they would be toast.
I think the election won't be until May or June next year.
Just like everyone else I too have been shocked by this expenses debacle. It has brought home to me that, nearly 200 years on from the great Reform Act 1832 - the Act that ultimately gave people like you and me the vote - we still have a Ruling Class here in the United Kingdom. We still have people who make their own rules and rip us off, people who despite their protestations couldn't give a flying f*ck about you and me. A bloody duck house indeed. And Brown claimed £6K for his cleaner.
I pay their wages and I'm determined to get rid of the lot of them, labour, tory or whatever.
Here in Shrewsbury we have a Tory MP, Daniel Kawcyznski. His grandfather was Polish, he flew Spitfires with the RAF in WW2. I'd vote for Daniel for that reason alone but he is a fantastic MP, very learned on agriculture - and we have a lot of that around here.
May/June I reckon. Can't come soon enough. F*ck off the lot of you, and don't forget to close the door on your way out.
Thingus
08-06-09, 08:12 PM
Out at next election i think. Dunno who else would run the labour party to be honest. Yet another non-elected leader of our country ain't gonna make many people happy.
Brown will hang on in there, backed by the Parliamentary Labour Party that knows that if there were an election now, they would be toast.
I think the election won't be until May or June next year.
Just like everyone else I too have been shocked by this expenses debacle. It has brought home to me that, nearly 200 years on from the great Reform Act 1832 - the Act that ultimately gave people like you and me the vote - we still have a Ruling Class here in the United Kingdom. We still have people who make their own rules and rip us off, people who despite their protestations couldn't give a flying f*ck about you and me. A bloody duck house indeed. And Brown claimed £6K for his cleaner.
I pay their wages and I'm determined to get rid of the lot of them, labour, tory or whatever.
Here in Shrewsbury we have a Tory MP, Daniel Kawcyznski. His grandfather was Polish, he flew Spitfires with the RAF in WW2. I'd vote for Daniel for that reason alone but he is a fantastic MP, very learned on agriculture - and we have a lot of that around here.
May/June I reckon. Can't come soon enough. F*ck off the lot of you, and don't forget to close the door on your way out.
+1
wyrdness
08-06-09, 08:25 PM
Brown will be out very soon, possibly even in a week or two. He's losing support from his MPs and ministers and won't be able to hang on much longer. There's more ministerial resignations every day. Labour know that they don't stand a chance in the next general election with Brown. Not that they stand much of a chance anyway. Once a challenger comes forward, and I'm willing to bet that there are several waiting in the wings, then there will be a leadership contest.
The Donal is right though - a lot of the current problems aren't actually Browns fault. It's just that people get sick of any government after a while and want a change.
Forgot to add, we should have the US system such that we have an election every 4 years, and a PM can't have more than 2 bites at the cherry.
the_runt69
08-06-09, 08:52 PM
Tory Blair Knew when to depart, Gordon should have lost an election when He was going to take onr last year and blamed the tories for all the problems since, he has set Labour back about 8 years out of government at least
he has set Labour back about 8 years out of government at least
I guess we should thank him for that then. At least he's done something for the country.
metalmonkey
09-06-09, 07:24 PM
I was watching CH4 news earlier this week which was talking about this, Brown is playing right into the hands of other parties espically the conservaties by clinging on for dear life. Longer he stays more so he does.
He knows soon as an election is called he will be dropped kicked out number 10. But the worry is who will replace him, what will they do? I also think that Labour will be a minority party and be nothing be more than a junk yard dog, trying to make its bark heard. This is what they deserve at the very least.
The dymaics of the commons should be changed in an election, will be interesting to see the result. But will the new party undo the damage and red tape Labour have added? Or just make it worse?
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