Idiot....

[BanditPat]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/dorset/8111489.stm

All they were doing was playing football. Why even bother them never mind start taking pictures of them that's just asking for trouble.

[metalangel]

Around my way, 'football' means 'kick the ball as hard as possible so it bangs off roller shutters, lamp posts and old ladies'.

[wizurd]

All it says is playing football in the street, could mean doing nothing wrong, could mean bouncing the ball off cars in the street. I wouldnt be happy with that.

And in no way does that excuse them assaulting him. Send the little "£$$ down

[BanditPat]

All it says is playing football in the street, could mean doing nothing wrong, could mean bouncing the ball off cars in the street. I wouldnt be happy with that.

And in no way does that excuse them assaulting him. Send the little "£$$ down



Says he was also taking pictures of them. If a stranger started taking pictures of me in the street then would make sure I got what ever he was taking pictures with off him at the least.

[wizurd]

if he's taking pictures because they are asbo's then no problems with that. If they were doing nothing wrong then they had no reason to do what they did. Are you saying that then assaulting the guy is all ok? I've lived in streets with little brats that loved to kick balls around but basically made a total nuisance of themselves. No respect for other peoples properties. Like i said i dont know what they were doing in this instance, if just playing football and not causing a problem then fine, he over reacted. But if they were being asbo's then he did the right thing. Worst thing in this country is people just letting kids get away with things cause they never learn any lessons.

More importantly how can assaulting someone cause they've taken a picture of you be acceptable??? that beggers belief. We're not on about some guy taking pictures of kids in school or anything dodgy like that

[speedplay]

All it says is playing football in the street, could mean doing nothing wrong, could mean bouncing the ball off cars in the street. I wouldnt be happy with that.



Same round here.

I've had loads of damage done to various cars over the years.
We were told by police that unless there is evidence i.e photos of damage being done there is nothing they can do about it.

[wizurd]

exactly. we had a problem years ago. nasty family in the street that let their kids run riot. They put a brick through my uncles windscreen on his car cause he'd told them to be careful with their ball. My grandfather went out to tell them to bugger off as we called the police. They gave a load of lip back and went. After the police visited us they then went to see the family. They then came back and said the kids had accused my grandfather of hitting the one girl!!! lying little £$%%. The police left it like that and just said to try to get along with them! It was a small culdesac and in the end alot of people just ended up moving away. Total scum

[speedplay]

All they were doing was playing football.

If all they were doing is playing football he probably wouldnt have got involved.
There is always 2 sides to every story.
The location for a start sugests that there may have been trouble caused or potential damage to property.
There is a time and place for everything...I doubt that the high street is the best place to play football ;)

[timwilky]

well cops took video years ago of my lad and his mates (13-15years old) playing football with a beer can on the local rec. Each received £60 littering fines. Even the local councillor who was the grandfather of one of the lads was astounded that they went this route 6*£60, instead of saying "Oi put that in the bin".

So that episode made all the local kids very wary of anyone taking pics

[BanditPat]

If all they were doing is playing football he probably wouldnt have got involved.
There is always 2 sides to every story.
The location for a start sugests that there may have bee trouble caused or potential damage to property.
There is a time and place for everything...I doubt that the high street is the best place to play football ;)


Well it was his constituency so he should have been providing an area where they can play with balls with out the danger of hitting some ones property. Up here unless your willing to get 20 odd lads and lasses to walk away fromt he town centre and walk for about 45 minutes to an hour then your stuck with playing football in the street. Not every ones gonna walk that far out of the way so that 10 people in the group can play with a football for half an hour then walk back into town to get something to eat from maccy dee's and then walk back up to the field. His fault, he wants something done about it then he can get it done, shouting and taking pictures of kids isnt going to get anything sorted and from the way he sounded in the quotes they had of him he sounded like a right stuck up *****.

[speedplay]

I agree with you that theres not enough space for anyone to go and play football or any other sports.

But 1 mp cant change things so drastically.

The way you posted you sound like you dont own your own house and dont have a decent car.
If you did then maybe you would feel differently about what happened in the streets near your property.
How would you feel about kids playing football in the road outside your house, knocking your bike over and when you went out to say something, they just told you to **** off?

Its unfortunate that there are fewer and fewer green spaces in every town ofr people to use but the guy still didnt deserve to be beaten up for voicing his concerns or views.

[metalangel]

Yeah, you are allowed to take photos in a public place, end of.

[svdemon]

Good on him for doing something about it, just a shame no one backed him up or the little tw*ts wouldn't be so cocky.

[Red Herring]

Well it was his constituency so he should have been providing an area where they can play with balls with out the danger of hitting some ones property. Up here unless your willing to get 20 odd lads and lasses to walk away fromt he town centre and walk for about 45 minutes to an hour then your stuck with playing football in the street. Not every ones gonna walk that far out of the way so that 10 people in the group can play with a football for half an hour then walk back into town to get something to eat from maccy dee's and then walk back up to the field. His fault, he wants something done about it then he can get it done, shouting and taking pictures of kids isnt going to get anything sorted and from the way he sounded in the quotes they had of him he sounded like a right stuck up *****.

So what exactly are you saying? The MP deserved a kicking for challenging anti-social behavior? Perhaps you think he should have just ignored them. How about he arranges for a few local houses to be demolished to make way for a playground. I do appreciate that some kids have to grow up in city centers but that's no excuse for them to be uneducated thugs. Parenting is a responsible activity, perhaps they should also take some responsibility for providing for their children. I know I thought long and hard about where I chose to live because we wanted kids. Yes we all need to make do sometimes but you have to draw the line somewhere. Incidentally, where this happened there's a small park 100m away and the beach is 1/4 mile walk. Not exactly unavailable.

[BanditPat]

So what exactly are you saying? The MP deserved a kicking for challenging anti-social behavior?


Just playing football in the street isn't antisocial behavior. You cant go to the parks because all you get when you go there is pestered by the cops or the park keeper and who wants to walk to the beach so you can get your shoes full of sand especially when you can play in the street. A few years we used to play in the street all the time and there was a football field and a park a few minutes walk from where we were. We weren't getting in any ones way we weren't kicking balls at peoples cars. And from the way I percieved his actions he was planning on calling the police about it and he decided to try and provoke a reaction by taking pictures, If you think its not going to provoke a response then you really do need your head looked.

[speedplay]

Just playing football in the street isn't antisocial behavior. You cant go to the parks because all you get when you go there is pestered by the cops or the park keeper and who wants to walk to the beach so you can get your shoes full of sand especially when you can play in the street. A few years we used to play in the street all the time and there was a football field and a park a few minutes walk from where we were. We weren't getting in any ones way we weren't kicking balls at peoples cars. And from the way I percieved his actions he was planning on calling the police about it and he decided to try and provoke a reaction by taking pictures, If you think its not going to provoke a response then you really do need your head looked.


I think your perception of this is way off track, how old are you by the way?
Its just you dont seem to have a lateral outlook on this, this is something usually gained with age and experience.

[Red Herring]

I think your perception of this is way off track, how old are you by the way?
Its just you dont seem to have a lateral outlook on this, this is something usually gained with age and experience.

I really do admire your diplomacy......

[speedplay]

I really do admire your diplomacy......


I should be a member of the peace corps...;)

[etuna]

If there were a bunch of 17 year olds playing football in the street outside my house I'd be ****ed off.

How can anyone think the actions of these kids is justifiable is staggering.

[Jabba]

Boscombe High Street on Saturday afternoon

Doesn't sound exactly like a quiet suburban street.

[Jabba]

Well it was his constituency so he should have been providing an area where they can play with balls with out the danger of hitting some ones property.

He's an MP, not a local Councillor.

[Thingus]

I can understand wanting to do something about it if it was a bunch of kids kicking balls at cars, but whatever it was, why not just call the police? Does he not trust the justice system?

[Demonz]

I can understand wanting to do something about it if it was a bunch of kids kicking balls at cars, but whatever it was, why not just call the police? Does he not trust the justice system?

No evidence.

[Red Herring]

I wonder just how often a responsible adult does ask kids to behave, and they do so without incident. It would be a sad world if we have to call the police every time something in our community needed to be done, and besides, as has already been said they will ask for some evidence which is why he decided to take the photos.

[BanditPat]

He's an MP, not a local Councillor.


There's more chance of him getting something done about it than there is of some kids getting something done they would just be ignored, at least this way they got there names out there in the only channel the government leave open for them ;]

[speedplay]

why not just call the police? Does he not trust the justice system?


Do you? I know the police round here are useless unless it involves 3 points and a fine...


http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Roumelia%20Lane%20boscombe&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&hl=en&tab=wl

Just goes to show it was too far to walk to a park...

[speedplay]

There's more chance of him getting something done about it than there is of some kids getting something done they would just be ignored, at least this way they got there names out there in the only channel the government leave open for them ;]


So next time someone needs something done in your area, to raise awareness, they come round to your house and set fire to your car.
They then end up in the local paper, on the bbc and in court.
This then means that they will then get the open forum they needed for their cause.
Its ok for them to set fire to your car as now everybody has heard what they have to say....


Sorry, but your talking rubbish.

[BanditPat]

So next time someone needs something done in your area, to raise awareness, they come round to your house and set fire to your car.
They then end up in the local paper, on the bbc and in court.
This then means that they will then get the open forum they needed for their cause.
Its ok for them to set fire to your car as now everybody has heard what they have to say....


Sorry, but your talking rubbish.


Okay then you come up with a way to get anything that you need or want if your under 18, its hard enough once your over 18 and you can vote. I cant belive that people are actually showing sympathy to one of the people that spent your tax money on his own stuff

[Red Herring]

Really, I work in the public sector so if it makes you feel any better I'm typing this on a computer you bought me, so thanks. Oh course I am assuming you do pay your taxes...

[speedplay]

Okay then you come up with a way to get anything that you need or want if your under 18, its hard enough once your over 18 and you can vote. I cant belive that people are actually showing sympathy to one of the people that spent your tax money on his own stuff

Voting doesnt get you what you want/need.

Voting is a democratic way of electing a person into a "job" within the government system, be it town, district, county etc.

If you have a valid reason to want something you have to go through the legal and correct channels.
This all takes time (usually a lot) but this is the way modern and civilised man (generialisation, sorry ladies) go about things.
We stopped beating people over the head with clubs millions of years ago and moved on.
Looking laterally at this (one day you will be able to do this too) maybe the guy was an "idiot" (this is your view and not mine) but he did not deserve to be beaten up.
All that happens when an incident like this happens is that "youths" get a worse name for themselves and local councils are less likely to do something for them because "they will only misuse it" or "it will be somewhere for them to cause trouble" (these again are not my views but as I work closely with a youth organisation in my free time its something I tend to hear quite a bit).

VIOLENCE IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!

It just makes you look stupid as you are unable to use your brain before your fist.

[Red Herring]

Actually it's just occurred to me that BanditPat does have a point. If I remember my history correctly the Carole circuit in Paris was built to give all the local motorcyclists somewhere to race after their on road antics became to much for the local population. It's named after a young lady who was killed in an accident. Perhaps if we all get together and tear round our local one way system they will build us a track?

[speedplay]

Actually it's just occurred to me that BanditPat does have a point. If I remember my history correctly the Carole circuit in Paris was built to give all the local motorcyclists somewhere to race after their on road antics became to much for the local population. It's named after a young lady who was killed in an accident. Perhaps if we all get together and tear round our local one way system they will build us a track?


Your a genius!!

I need some more parking in my street too, do you think if I got all my mates to come round and park on the pavements, the council will decide to kick the dole bludging scum out next door, demo their house and let me park on the hardstanding left?

[Red Herring]

I doubt it, the dole bludging scum on the other side would park four of their eight cars there first....

[wizurd]

if these kids were doing nothing wrong then maybe he overreacted like i said earlier, but just looking at their response to him firstly confronting them about it then taking pictures at least one of them is a total $£$%. Assaulting someone that is only asking for a bit of fairness is so wrong and to think anything other than that, well you would really need your head examined.

[gruntygiggles]

Well it was his constituency so he should have been providing an area where they can play with balls with out the danger of hitting some ones property. Up here unless your willing to get 20 odd lads and lasses to walk away fromt he town centre and walk for about 45 minutes to an hour then your stuck with playing football in the street. Not every ones gonna walk that far out of the way so that 10 people in the group can play with a football for half an hour then walk back into town to get something to eat from maccy dee's and then walk back up to the field. His fault, he wants something done about it then he can get it done, shouting and taking pictures of kids isnt going to get anything sorted and from the way he sounded in the quotes they had of him he sounded like a right stuck up *****.


Nope....not his fault he got attacked....their fault, they did it. It would only be his fault if he were to do something physical against them. I've had people take pictures of me, Dan, the others with us and our land rovers and numberplates so that they could get the authorities onto us for driving a byway with a temporary restriction order on it. We let them carry on. We're adults.........we know that doing anything other than being at least civil would get us into more trouble. As it happened, they guy leading us knew the route was closed, didn't tell us until we had the confrontation, but we sorted it out. The guy leading got a £160 fine a few months later and that was that. If we'd attacked the man taking photos, we'd be in prison now for ABH/GBH.

Regardless of what these kids were doing....the very fact that they reacted by attacking him says everything about the kind of kids they were......pathetic! Police can do nothing without evidence, the MP was getting evidence. He was being the good citizen, they were being bad. He could be as stuck up and arrogant as anyone, but doesn't mean he deserved a beating and doesn't let these kids off the hook.

[gruntygiggles]

Okay then you come up with a way to get anything that you need or want if your under 18, its hard enough once your over 18 and you can vote. I cant belive that people are actually showing sympathy to one of the people that spent your tax money on his own stuff

Well, when I was a kid (15-16) we had a real probelme where I grew up because there really was nothing for anyone to do after school and we were out in a semi rural town. None of the authorities would do anything, so........a few of us decided to approach local businesses and ask them to sponsor a new youth centre and park for us. After having to offer to work for free for 5 hours a day every Saturday and Sunday for these various businesses, they came on board and less than a year later, the local council got involved and we had a new youth centre. Now there is also an astro turf, floodlit football pitch and a skate park.

We took the bull by the horns and rather than moan and bit(h about noone doing anything for us....we decided to do it for ourselves.

Take that through life and you'll be sorted. I did my GCSE's then left school....no real formal qualifications and yet I earn more than most everyone else my age because I've gone out there and MADE it happen. People always say no in life, be they your local council, your bosses, your parents. The sooner you realise you need to do stuff for yourself, the sooner you'll get what it is you want!

I understand why you feel these kids were harshly treated BanditPat.....but don't defend them too much.......imagine that was your grandad taking pictures because they'd been hitting his car for weeks with their football and the police would do nothing "without evidence".

Sorry for the long posts, but too much moaning, not enough personal responsibility is the bain of modern society!

[wizurd]

couldnt agree more GG