Indicator/solid state relay problems.

[phil24_7]

I have just bought a Motrax solid state relay off eBay. I fitted it today but the indicators ended up staying on, no matter which may around I wire the relay.

It is a Honda relay, although I don't think it matters much as they are different connectors. The indicators have resistors in line (not the right ones as the flash rate is still very fast!) but again, I wouldn't have thought that this would matter either.

So guys and gals, is the relay knackered, do I need to remove the resistors or is there some kind of black magic going on?

Regards

[ophic]

The indicators have resistors in line (not the right ones as the flash rate is still very fast!)
This sounds wrong right from the start. If you have LED indicators, the resistors should be in parallel, not in line. With a replacement relay though they should not be required.

[phil24_7]

Oop's sorry, just meant that I had resistors fitted but they didn't do the job, hence the solid state relay. Left them connected as they're a ball ache to get to and they should affect the operation of the relay.

[Bluepete]

I've just fitted the rear end off a KTM RC8r which has LED indy's.

They were flashing like mad, so I took the old indy bulbs in their mountings, wired them in parrallel across the LED indy's and zip-tied them onto the rear sub frame, under the rear plastics.

Out of sight, out of mind! Indy's flash at the right speed now!

Cost?

Zero.

Pete

[phil24_7]

Cheers, but I'm really trying to find out if my relay is shot or if there is some other reason for the indys to light solidly (i.e. not flash, just light up).

[stevebetts]

Cheers, but I'm really trying to find out if my relay is shot or if there is some other reason for the indys to light solidly (i.e. not flash, just light up).
remove the resistors you had on before fitting the SSR.

[phil24_7]

Was gonna but they're hard wired in!

Does anyone know if there is likely to be an issue with having the resistors and the relay fitted? I would of thought not as the relay just turns on and off at a given rate and doesn't care about the load on it.

So does anyone recon the relay is knackered?

Regards

[DarrenSV650S]

The resistors will just put more load on the wiring and get hot. Shouldn't matter though
Either you've connected the relay wrong or it's knackered

Check how it's connected

[thefallenangel]

can you see the internals of the relay or is it getting hot or smell burnt out? That's the normal sign of a relay packing up.

[phil24_7]

It's a sealed relay with a red and a black wire. Does not look or smell funny and is protected from being wired up the wrong way.

Guess I'd better let the guy off eBay know he's sold me a dud!!

[phil24_7]

I wired the relay up to the Brown and the light blue wires from the sv multi relay.

[Kilted Ginger]

I recently got a tail tidy with mini indys, flashy flashy too fast, got a couple of 10w 3ohm resistors but when connected, the flash rate was sorted but only 3 of the 9 leds illuminated????

Now I got the 10w resistors as i assumed the power ratiing of the resistor was its max load rating (electronics not my strong point) i was going to get a couple of 1w 3 ohm reistors today and try them but am concerned about overheating. Has anyone who has done the led mod encountered this problem or can remember the rating of the resistors they fitted. If I get no joy I may have to refit the originals.

[sv650nutter149]

I wired the relay up to the Brown and the light blue wires from the sv multi relay.
sound like u might of wired up wrong mate

[DarrenSV650S]

I recently got a tail tidy with mini indys, flashy flashy too fast, got a couple of 10w 3ohm resistors but when connected, the flash rate was sorted but only 3 of the 9 leds illuminated????

Now I got the 10w resistors as i assumed the power ratiing of the resistor was its max load rating (electronics not my strong point) i was going to get a couple of 1w 3 ohm reistors today and try them but am concerned about overheating. Has anyone who has done the led mod encountered this problem or can remember the rating of the resistors they fitted. If I get no joy I may have to refit the originals.

Just get a new relay. Sooo much easier. Unless you get the one phil got :lol:

[boo86]

have a search for some posts I made a few weeks ago, I had a similar problem but sorted it out and posted some 'how to' pics. You may have pulled the wrong wires from the fuse box. when mine was wired up wrong the indicaters came on and wouldn't go out again. Mine is a honda 1 too. Like I say it's sorted now. check you've used the correct 2 wires.

[phil24_7]

When I searched back along, the org was saying that it's the brown and light blue wires that I need. If I'd got the wrong wires, surely the indy's wouldn't work at all??

[phil24_7]

sound like u might of wired up wrong mate

What wires do you suggest?

[boo86]

When I searched back along, the org was saying that it's the brown and light blue wires that I need. If I'd got the wrong wires, surely the indy's wouldn't work at all??


Aye, That's the wrong ones. Try these. See pic.
Blue / Orange with a green tracer.

[phil24_7]

Aye, That's the wrong ones. Try these. See pic.
Blue / Orange with a green tracer.

Cheers for the pic. Were the 2 wires next to each other? I can't see a brown wire in the pic, do you have one on your?

Does anyone know if the wires are the same colour on the pointy as the curvy?

Regards

[yorkie_chris]

Boo that looks like a curvy fusebox.

Light blue and brown are the correct wires on the pointy. On the curvy it is light blue and orange/red.

Phil I reckon you've connected it backwards.

And, for the sake of it, get rid of the resistors, what's the point of a load of excess heat waiting in the wings to cause problems?

[phil24_7]

Stop it with your sensible suggestions YC! I wired it up both ways and it does the same no matter. :-(

Would the indy's stay on if the relay was fubar'd?

[DarrenSV650S]

You're not half dragging this out Phil :p Have you tried another relay yet? :)

[yorkie_chris]

Stop it with your sensible suggestions YC! I wired it up both ways and it does the same no matter. :-(

Would the indy's stay on if the relay was fubar'd?

It sounds like either the relay is fubar'd, or it doesn't like the excess current draw you've put on it with the ballast resistors. Perhaps they are only meant for LED?

Remove the ballast, try again.

Is it all working normally otherwise? I.e, does left go left and right go right, just solid not flashing?

[boo86]

[QUOTE=yorkie_chris;1960382]Boo that looks like a curvy fusebox.

Yep, curvy it is. Are we talking about a pointy ? Oh.

[phil24_7]

You're not half dragging this out Phil :p Have you tried another relay yet? :)

Why would I buy another before I've ascertained if this one is faulty?:rolleyes:

It sounds like either the relay is fubar'd, or it doesn't like the excess current draw you've put on it with the ballast resistors. Perhaps they are only meant for LED?

Remove the ballast, try again.

Is it all working normally otherwise? I.e, does left go left and right go right, just solid not flashing?

Guess I'll remove the ballast in the morning an try again then.

Yup, left does left, right, right and hazards, all!

[QUOTE=yorkie_chris;1960382]Boo that looks like a curvy fusebox.

Yep, curvy it is. Are we talking about a pointy ? Oh.

Should have said in OP but the clue was in my sig. ;-)

[DarrenSV650S]

Why would I buy another before I've ascertained if this one is faulty?:rolleyes:

Doesn't you mrs have one on her sv?

[phil24_7]

Nope. She has a standard set up on hers.

[DarrenSV650S]

But if it worked (it would flash fast) at least you would know that your new relay was cream crackered. Wouldn't you?

[phil24_7]

OK Darren, I suggest you go back and re-read this thread. My sv relay is fine, my solid state relay, to slow the flash rate is not. Gees, some people are hard work! ;-)

[DarrenSV650S]

Well then the relay is fooked!! Buy a new one! :D

[yorkie_chris]

Well, no, perhaps it is simply not designed to work with a ballasted setup.

[phil24_7]

Never got round to sorting this today as I was playing with the CBR. Will have a go tomorrow.

Cheers all for your help/advice/suggestions so far.

Regards

[cheungy]

hi There,
Have just fitted LED indicators to my SV650s K5.. They were flashing fast so I fitted a Motrax Relay.

Well chuffed when they started flashing at normal speed.

However after a week I've just noticed that although the indicators flash as normal, the indicator warning lights in my dash ie the green ones, sometime come on even though I am not indicating.. somethings they are on but really faintly.. for some reason, the are off when my clutch is disengaged, but when I release the clutch they seem to come on. I adjusted my clutch yesterday, on the handlebars, but this shouldn't have caused it..

Anyone have any ideas as to what is causing it??

thanks

I was thinking it was due to me washing the bike yesterday.. look under the seat and there was some water near some on the wiring, but not a lot. I got a R&G tail tidy, and think there is a little hole where the wires come into the back unit.

[SoulKiss]

hi There,
Have just fitted LED indicators to my SV650s K5.. They were flashing fast so I fitted a Motrax Relay.

Well chuffed when they started flashing at normal speed.

However after a week I've just noticed that although the indicators flash as normal, the indicator warning lights in my dash ie the green ones, sometime come on even though I am not indicating.. somethings they are on but really faintly.. for some reason, the are off when my clutch is disengaged, but when I release the clutch they seem to come on. I adjusted my clutch yesterday, on the handlebars, but this shouldn't have caused it..

Anyone have any ideas as to what is causing it??

thanks


I was thinking it was due to me washing the bike yesterday.. look under the seat and there was some water near some on the wiring, but not a lot. I got a R&G tail tidy, and think there is a little hole where the wires come into the back unit.

I have that on my Pointy - nothing to worry about really.

[cheungy]

Really...?? bloody annoying though!!... surely it will fail MOT with it!! Any idea of a fix?? Cheers

[SoulKiss]

Really...?? bloody annoying though!!... surely it will fail MOT with it!! Any idea of a fix?? Cheers

Possibly a resistor inline with the relay - so that the current output isnt high enough to light the light accidentally

I got used to it very quickly

[Dave20046]

Phiiiiiiiil did you fix it?

[phil24_7]

I did...I sent that relay back and ordered an SV650 specific relay (replaces the light & indicator relay under the seat) from a German seller on ebay. All works fine, have since replaced the indy's too and it still works. It wasn't cheap and £14 delivered but it was so easy to fit it was worth it!

Regards
Phil

[Dave20046]

Perfect, cheers for the reply!