Hot doggies

[MiniMatt]

Please be aware that dogs die when left in hot cars.

I'd thought pretty much everyone had that drummed into them by the time they were 8 years old, regardless of whether they had a dog or not. I was of the impression that only those with the IQ of an alsation were not aware of this simple fact. Every year we have a handful of stories and the RSPCA will duly roll out statements of dogs being "boiled alive (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/8126382.stm)" by mentally retarded owners.

Until the police do it to their own dogs of course. Then it's just a "tragic accident (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/8129826.stm)".

I know police are getting a bashing at the moment, and I'm happy to go along with the "few violent thugs ruining the reputation of the rest of the good apples" sentiment, but I didn't realise that to this we also need to add "few brain dead retards ruining the reputation of the rest of the force who can manage to tie their own shoelaces". I was of the impression that to be a police officer one needed a basic level of intelligence and some education such that you can make sense of the laws your supposed to enforce. If you don't know that summer is hot, cars get hotter, and dogs die when they get too hot then how are they expected to understand the Police & Criminal Evidence Act?

What are the entry requirements for coppers these days? Have they changed or something?

[plowsie]

Yeah I heard about that :( Terrible.

[Jamiebridges123]

Wait the police killed one of their own dogs? Wth? Sad sad world we live in.

[plowsie]

Wait the police killed one of their own dogs? Wth? Sad sad world we live in.
Not on purpose, more, neglect (maybe that word is too strong).

[Jamiebridges123]

Neglect is on purpose, IMO. The police should have more common sense, surely, than to boil their dog to death.

[Von Teese]

Wait the police killed one of their own dogs? Wth? Sad sad world we live in.
...Two!!

I dont think its under the 'neglect' as much as the 'omission to act' side of cruelty, bet that officer wants to die himself, they get very attached to their dogs...something must have happened, you have to be pretty elite to get into the Dog Section so he couldnt have been THAT stupid, wonder if we are getting the full story.

[Amplimator]

no words can describe such stupidity, these are the people that are s'posed to keep our streets safe!?!?

nob ends

[plowsie]

I personally think there is something missing from this story, any piece wouldn't just leave the dogs in there for a prolonged amount of time...

[Owenski]

The 2009 Darwin award for too little too late goes to...


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Nottinghamshire Police

[Von Teese]

I personally think there is something missing from this story, any piece wouldn't just leave the dogs in there for a prolonged amount of time...

Agreed, most of the vans have aircon now, but the older ones are usually left open, (much to the fright of passing new officers (which is actually quite funny to watch)
Their handlers usually keep an eye on them at all times..its very strange how this happened.

[MiniMatt]

Not entirely sure what could be missing really - parked at a police station, not like he had to jump out to chase down some terrorists or card waving protestors or anything. Now sure, I imagine he probably just popped into the station expecting to be two minutes tops, to drop off some paperwork or something; and unexpectedly got tasked with something important like an unruly civil liberties protestor in reception or something. But unexpected things happen, that's life. It's the middle of a heatwave, you just simply don't leave dogs in the car.

[Von Teese]

When I worked at Battersea, the police had smashed the window of a car and brought a dog with heat stroke in...we treated it and later found out it belonged to a member of the board who was upstairs in a meeting.........say no more, some people SHOULD know better!

Anyway off to swim with my dogs now :D

[Ed]

and unexpectedly got tasked with something important like an unruly civil liberties protestor in reception or something.

:smt046

[Bluewolf]

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[Miss Alpinestarhero]

:( Thats really sad. The dogs must have really suffered because when I got in my car after work yesterday, it was SO hot that I had to open all the windows and keep my driver door open for a few minutes to cool down. Plus the steering wheel was baking hot and I couldn't touch it..! I couldnt possibly imagine what it must have been like cooped up in a dog box/basket with lots of fur..!

I cant help but think that there is something missing from this story though. The media tend to omit certain details in order to make things seem more dramatic.

But even so, it is no excuse.

Maria

[dizzyblonde]

Indeed sad.

It doesn't take much to take a big bottle of water and a large bowl with you in the car, so when you are parked up you can leave it in a foot area of the car.
Opening windows isn;t enough.
Which is why on a hot day like today, my doggies and cats are roaming in and out of the house with various water bowls everywhere. All the windows and doors are open wide, and if i go out even the downstairs windows are open....I;d like to see someone break in anyway, as pooches would bite their bums. I know its very different to a car, but I love my animals and do as much as i can to make it comfortable on a day such as today....if I did have a car, I'd either leave them at home, or take them with me.

[keithd]

rightly or wrongly i refused to read it. from the other responses i have gathered it aint nothing nice. you'll not find a bigger animal lover than y'hero here.

cruelty to pets/animals ought to carry harsher more severe sentences than it currently does.

[Shellywoozle]

no words can describe such stupidity, these are the people that are s'posed to keep our streets safe!?!?

nob ends

Mmm you're off my Xmas card list LOL :smt098

+1keithd - I opened but closed again, thats all I need to see ..... I am a huge dog lover have to bribe mine to stay inside se he dont get too hot bless him.

As for the situation with the police dogs, RIP doggies, enjoy dogy heavan

I know my colleagues look after their dogs as they love them to bits and are part of their family. If they have to remain in the car when in the backward the boot is always open no matter what the weather and they have a fan built into the car.

Such a shame and I am sure the officer will pay :( Always remember reading the press/internet doesnt always paint the correct picture.

[Samurai Penguin]

If you that is bad/stupid/blatant neglect of an animal (and let us see if the police actually get prosecuted) how about this...

http://www.ourdogs.co.uk/News/2007/January2007/News260107/dog-dies.htm

AN INVESTIGATION has been launched after a Greyhound died when police put the animal in a kennel and then forgot about it for 10 days.

The stray, which died of thirst, was picked up by officers and taken to Dalkeith police station in Midlothian on 2 January. The dog was placed in a holding kennel but it is thought the officer at the front desk who logged its details did not pass on the information.

Police only became aware something was wrong when they noticed a bad smell from the kennel in the station courtyard on 12 January and discovered the dog’s dead body inside.

[Amplimator]

Mmm you're off my Xmas card list LOL :smt098


:(

best learn to keep me mouth shut

[Shellywoozle]

:(

best learn to keep me mouth shut

Dont worry I am used to being disliked for the job I do ..... we all have our oppinions mate and I was only kidding, dunno care rhind of an elephant me

And before someone else says it .. behind of one too !!

[G]

they have a fan built into the car.
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That was my understanding, I know a few coppers including dog handlers.

I was always under the impression the cars were temperature controlled and had a roof fan on the roof that activated when it got to hot.

Perhaps that was broke, how was the copper to know.

More to it than meets the eye if you ask me.

[Samurai Penguin]

I was always under the impression the cars were temperature controlled and had a roof fan on the roof that activated when it got to hot.

BBC news reports says thr dogs were in a private car parked outside the Police HQ.

[TazDaz]

I personally think there is something missing from this story, any piece wouldn't just leave the dogs in there for a prolonged amount of time...

It doesn't take a lot for dogs to start suffering from heatstroke. As soon as they are in a situation where it is hot, no air movement and no water source it goes down hill for them quickly!

[gruntygiggles]

leaving windows open does nothing to help in these kind of temperatures or even in lower temps when the sun is shining in the car. Water also will not help in these temperatures. It may help to combat dehydration, but cannot bring down the core temperature and dogs can die within 10 minutes easily in a hot car...and it's not a nice death.

I feel deeply sorry for the dogs and as for the officers......I honestly don't know what to say. Just because they were in a private car parked outside the station does not mean they were not in an emergency situation. However, that can NEVER ever excuse leaving the dogs in the vehicle, for any amount of time!

I'm sure the officer responsible is beside him/herself with grief at the moment and I'm sure lesons will be learned, but they shouldn't have to be. It's common sense and if you take on the responsiblility of any animal, you should know or learn how to care for it. Simple. Punishment for cruelty to animals is way too lenient at the moment so the only potential positive of stories like this is that pressure will be put on for the max sentences to be increased.

[Von Teese]

+1 Grunty, the penalty for deliberate cruelty is far too lenient.

That officer has the max penalty knowing he has killed his dogs, however its the people who just don't care and knowingly allow or cause suffering that I really cannot understand, what kind of mentality must a person have to inflict such cruelty on another living thing.

Anyway, trying to lighten the tone a bit as this is really getting me down, I heard that you might be taking your dogs to the AR 09, and so might Sam, that will be excellent, will love to meet them.

[gruntygiggles]

+1 Grunty, the penalty for deliberate cruelty is far too lenient.

That officer has the max penalty knowing he has killed his dogs, however its the people who just don't care and knowingly allow or cause suffering that I really cannot understand, what kind of mentality must a person have to inflict such cruelty on another living thing.

Anyway, trying to lighten the tone a bit as this is really getting me down, I heard that you might be taking your dogs to the AR 09, and so might Sam, that will be excellent, will love to meet them.

Yep, they'll all be there with us and although Sam has a show on the Sunday, we are going to meet up somewhere nearby to walk the dogs, have a mess about and chill! Look forward to seeing you there x

Back on topic, some on here will already know that my horse (RIP) was stabbed in the had in her stable in 1997. I feel VERY passionately about cruelty to animals and the sentences need to be harder. Sure, £20k is a lot to be fined, but you find me a case where a judge has fined anywhere near that amount for even the most extreme cases. As far as the 6 months maximum prison sentence, well, that's just ridiculous!

[Von Teese]

Back on topic, some on here will already know that my horse (RIP) was stabbed in the head in her stable in 1997.

WHAT?????????
OMG, I am so sorry to hear this :(
And fines dont work, most of the time they get to pay them off at a rate that wont actually affect them at all...DISGUSTING!

As an ex vet nurse, I have a lot of friends who are passionate about animals and Im always getting petitions to sign and causes sent to me....some of which are cruelty beyond explaination that just the description which will haunt me forever, but if my support will make a difference then it's worth the despair.

For those of you who care:
PETA has a list of cruelty free products (cleaning, cosmetics etc)
They also have a list of causes (some of which I advise NOT watching the videos)

Grunty, see you at the AR :)

[G]

BBC news reports says thr dogs were in a private car parked outside the Police HQ.

Yeah heard about that last night :( no excuse then, if the person gets away completely without punishment its a shocking case of them and us.

On another note passed the scene last night and people have been placing flower outside Notts Police HQ :rolleyes:

[yorkie_chris]

Von Teese, I woudn't endorse any product endorsed by PETA if you paid me, can you find a source who aren't vegetablist retards?

One would hope that police would know better, but obviously not.

like an unruly civil liberties protestor in reception or something.

Or on the stairs...

[gruntygiggles]

Just re read my post and it occurred to me that it sounds like the stabbing killed my horse. It did not. She had over 40 stitches between her eyes and down the front of her nose and a broken nasal bone, but came through it fine.

Sorry for any misunderstanding. I don't know if I could have controlled myself if you put the person that did it in the stable with me and I had a knife in my hand. It's quite scary to have that much anger and desire for revenge, but thankfully I calmed down quickly. Now I'd just want the power to give the person a LONG prison sentence and maybe tell the other inmates he was a kiddy fiddler, just to ensure he had a REALLY interesting time in there!

[Spiderman]

I was of the impression that to be a police officer one needed a basic level of intelligence and some education such that you can make sense of the laws your supposed to enforce.

Sadly this is exactly the type of person most police forces dont want. They want people who have no understanding of the law or its application so when they have a breifing before kicking down somone door for example the Sgt running the op can say "we are going in under the terms of x y z Terroist acts" and tell their officers to act with virtual impunity and not have one officer chanllenge him as to the validity of the law being used on the op. If you were a person who understood the law or its application you would challenge him and say "but sarge we have the theft act (for example) that applies here, why are we using anti terror laws? Thats overkill and allows us far more scope for this op than we actually need"

So no, most modern cops have no idea of the law except for what they are told of it by their superiors who only want them to know a limited amount.

So i'm not suprised that one stupid moron of a cop left a dog in car car in the same way i was not suprised by the stupidmoron cops who posted videos and pics of themselves totalling cops cars during chaces and thinking it was a great laugh...and forgetting about he crime that they were meant to be attending to.

[Kilted Ginger]

Update on the story, the copper was off duty, stopped at the station to pick something up, left his windows down and was in about 10 mins. no different to nipping into a shop for a message which i know i've done. This seems to have been a tragic accident, not neglect or crulety, strange that none of the other 17dogs which died in cars at the weekend made the national news. just another police bashing story i think.

[Biker Biggles]

I think its hugely significant that a police dog handler caused the death of two police dogs whatever the rest of the great unwashed numpties may have done over the weekend.Thats not police bashing.What would you suggest?Just not mention it?

[Spiderman]

I'm with BB on this.

[SoulKiss]

Von Teese, I woudn't endorse any product endorsed by PETA if you paid me, can you find a source who aren't vegetablist retards?

Never worked out why its ok to cause pain and suffering to a person because they bought a product from a shop either.

It's like the pro-lifers in the US that kill doctors...

[Swin]

Never worked out why its ok to cause pain and suffering to a person because they bought a product from a shop either.

It's like the pro-lifers in the US that kill doctors...

+1 I don't understand how pro-lifers can endorse their argument by killing either.

On topic, sounds like a slow news weekend, we usually start to get these bottom-of-the-barrel stories in August, perhaps a lot of people have gone on holiday early...

[gruntygiggles]

Update on the story, the copper was off duty, stopped at the station to pick something up, left his windows down and was in about 10 mins. no different to nipping into a shop for a message which i know i've done. This seems to have been a tragic accident, not neglect or crulety, strange that none of the other 17dogs which died in cars at the weekend made the national news. just another police bashing story i think.

Leaving your window down does sweet FA to help a dog in hot conditions in a car. Anyone who has even basic knowledge of animal husbandry knows this. On top of that, a police dog handler should definately know how to take care of his/her dog and so police or not police, the crime is the same and it is a crime. It is cruelty as it is the actions of the human that directly causes the unnecessary suffering of the dog and make no mistake, they really suffer. They hyperventilate as they try and pant to regulate their temperature, they become dehydrated and eventually their core temperature rises to the degree that all the internal organs cease functioning. You could say it was a tragic accident, but unless it was a child that did it (genuinely didn't understand) then I believe it is cruelty.

The very law that the police officer took an oath to uphold says that it is cruelty and in the eyes of the law, as an adult, it is your responsibility to learn about the care of the animals in your care, so they will not accept "accident" in a case like this, just as they wouldn't in the case of a civilian doing the same thing.

[ophic]

The shame is that a lesser trained dog might make a fuss to draw attention to its plight - growl, bark, paw, struggle, etc - but the police dogs would have obediently sat wherever they were told to, probably in silence.

[Von Teese]

Von Teese, I woudn't endorse any product endorsed by PETA if you paid me, can you find a source who aren't vegetablist retards?

One would hope that police would know better, but obviously not.



Or on the stairs...

I can try, its the only one that came up with a list of products that arent tested on animals and dont use ingredients that are tested on them either, Im not veggie, Im not a PETA supporter, I just like to know that what I use hasn't caused any unnecessary suffering and I agree that some of their causes are a bit over the top, but a lot of animal lovers can be very passionate and get to the stage where anything is fair game...

Just look at the products, you arent endorsing PETA its places like the Co op and M&S that sell them, its merely a list :)

[Shellywoozle]

So no, most modern cops have no idea of the law except for what they are told of it by their superiors who only want them to know a limited amount.


I have to disagree on this. Seems one copper does something that ends in tradegy and the rest of the Police are labelled as morons !

I am a modern copper and spent 3 hard months at training college learning the law, and forever learning new legislation in my time.

Slag off this individual for the reasons posted but not the rest of us !

[gruntygiggles]

I have to disagree on this. Seems one copper does something that ends in tradegy and the rest of the Police are labelled as morons !

I am a modern copper and spent 3 hard months at training college learning the law, and forever learning new legislation in my time.

Slag off this individual for the reasons posted but not the rest of us !

+1

[wizurd]

As has been said ,police officer or not, this person must have known that they were endangering the dogs lives by leaving them in that enivornment. I hope they do prosecute for cruelty or whatever law it would be covered under.