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Hi all :D
Just about to do this on an old computer that's running real slow. Hoping a clean install will make it, and the internet esp. run much faster.
Just wanted to check how to do it please :smt102
I've got Win XP Pro and the key and SP2 both on discs ready to go...what next :)
ThEGr33k
07-07-09, 01:23 PM
Place disc in CD/DVD drive. Go into bios and make it so the computer boots from CD/DVD Rom. Reboot and it will load from the disc. Then its fairly straight forward. Delete the old info and install.
If you have any issues at all just ask here :)
If you have any issues at all just ask here :)
Hopefully one question won't be "where has all my data gone?"
Back things up first. Clean install wipes everything.
Spiderman
07-07-09, 01:48 PM
Oh and i make a disc of all the security stuff i had on there so i dont have to go on the net "unprotected" to download it all again.
Have you got Norton/McAfee or similar running, or have you run a defrag recently?
I just done this. Download the specific drivr for your PC. Uausly available from the manufacturers website under the support tab. You will need things like, Chipset/Processor, video, sound, modem (Wireless if it has that function, HDD and CD/DVD drive. Stick these on a CD, or memory stick before you re-build. You will also need to make sure that you have USB2 support if its a newish machine. Also make a not of the software yo uhave on your PC. If you have virus software, and you can find the key, then make a note of it. Other than that, its a case of what the greek said. Then if you want you will need to connect to the net to update windows with SP3, IE8, WMP11 and all the other updates if so required. I just done this on a neighbours PC and its amazing how much more spritley it is.
Any ideas to stop kids downloading carp & clogging the thing up?
the_lone_wolf
07-07-09, 02:18 PM
Any ideas to stop kids downloading carp & clogging the thing up?
Give them non-administrator accounts, they won't be able to install things without your permission
ETA: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/279783
Oh and i make a disc of all the security stuff i had on there so i dont have to go on the net "unprotected" to download it all again.
Good for convenience, but as long as you are using XP SP2 (or SP3) then the firewall will be enabled by default so you should be safe to connect to the net and pull down whatever you need.
If you have any issues at all just ask here :)
OK pressed F1 to force it to load from disc on startup
It's asking which partition to load it on
C: = (56501 MB)
or
E: = 729MB
I picked C: but it said it already had an operating system on it. I might have Ubuntu somewhere on the computer but I don't want Ubuntu so what do I do? :)
hindle8907
07-07-09, 03:58 PM
Good for convenience, but as long as you are using XP SP2 (or SP3) then the firewall will be enabled by default so you should be safe to connect to the net and pull down whatever you need.
windoes xp firewall dont stop quat lol .
hindle8907
07-07-09, 03:59 PM
OK pressed F1 to force it to load from disc on startup
It's asking which partition to load it on
C: = (56501 MB)
or
E: = 729MB
I picked C: but it said it already had an operating system on it. I might have Ubuntu somewhere on the computer but I don't want Ubuntu so what do I do? :)
delete the partition .
windoes xp firewall dont stop quat lol .
of course it does, seriously. I've done a fair amount of work with it, we currently use it effectively to protect 120,000 clients.
Its only limtation if you consider it to be one, is that it has no outbound ruleset capability. Since XP SP2 shipped we have never required an outbound rule (they are clients after all). In Vista its even better with much more granular capability.
If you are paying for a firewall for Windows you are wasting your money.
delete the partition .
which one? or both?
which one? or both?
Delete all partitions and create one large new one to install to. Unless you have any special requirements otherwise.
Some people like to have two partitions, one for the OS and software, another for personal data (Drive D).
Personally one large drive is what I go for.
ThEGr33k
07-07-09, 04:54 PM
As said, delete the partitions, the options are along the bottom believe.
Delete all partitions and create one large new one to install to. Unless you have any special requirements otherwise.
Some people like to have two partitions, one for the OS and software, another for personal data (Drive D).
Personally one large drive is what I go for.
Yep, after filling my small C drive partition Id always just use the whole drive.
Right it's done but doesn't work :cry:
My wireless card doesn't work.
It's an external one that plugs into my PCMIA slot.
I've got the driver for it but it doesn't ask for a driver . It beeps when I put it in as if it's recognised that there's new hardware but nothing else happens and the light on the card neve comes on. :(
Right it's done but doesn't work :cry:
My wireless card doesn't work.
Which card is it?
IEEE 802.11b
Wireless PC Card
C€ FCC 11 Mbps/2.4GHz
Plus some more on the back of it - what else can I tell you?
IEEE 802.11b
Wireless PC Card
C€ FCC 11 Mbps/2.4GHz
Plus some more on the back of it - what else can I tell you?
the manufacturer? :rolleyes:
Made in Taiwan :smt102 :lol:
nope, doesn't look like anyone's proud enough of it to put their name to it.
But it did work fine before :D
There's an Fcc ID, CE ID, P/N and MAC numbers
Made in Taiwan :smt102 :lol:
nope, doesn't look like anyone's proud enough of it to put their name to it.
But it did work fine before :D
There's an Fcc ID, CE ID, P/N and MAC numbers
I see. Does the driver disk come with an installation routine allowing you to install the driver before inserting the card?
I had tried but I don't see a way of doing that.
There's a folder called Wireless card drivers = Net8180, a Release text file and rtl8180 System file
& 1 called Wireless card Software
= a folder each for Win98, 2000, ME & XP
+ data1, data2 , data1.hdr, ikernel, layouy and a Release text file (= no instructions )
Ignore that :cheers: it's working :cheers:
Ignore that :cheers: it's working :cheers:
:D as if by magic!
What did you do?
Yup as you said , & it took me to start writing all that out to see a setup icon under the Wireless card Software.
Then several attempts to run it with the w/less card in and out got it working.
Just got to sort out connection to Sky.
Why is it never easy? :smt102
It's saying limited or no connectivity? :(
It's saying limited or no connectivity? :(
Thats likely your wireless settings, have you got security configured on the SKY wifi?
ThEGr33k
08-07-09, 12:28 AM
Well Flymo seems to be sorting you out :D
Like he says Stu its likely something to do with the router wireless settings. You can go into them should you need to check them by putting in 192.168.0.1 login = admin pass = sky (thats what mine was stock anyway) into your working computer internet explorer (or what ever you use...) and it should bring up all the wireless network details.
If not have a google at whatever your issue is, its always a little hard to help from a distance when (no offence) the user cant communicate the exact problem. :(
Hope that helps some...
hindle8907
08-07-09, 07:33 AM
of course it does, seriously. I've done a fair amount of work with it, we currently use it effectively to protect 120,000 clients.
Its only limtation if you consider it to be one, is that it has no outbound ruleset capability. Since XP SP2 shipped we have never required an outbound rule (they are clients after all). In Vista its even better with much more granular capability.
If you are paying for a firewall for Windows you are wasting your money.
well im microsoft certified professional and i wouldnt go advising people to browse the net with just microsoft firewall eneabled lol.
Paying .... lol who pays for stuff ?
;)
well im microsoft certified professional and i wouldnt go advising people to browse the net with just microsoft firewall eneabled lol.
Paying .... lol who pays for stuff ?
;)
Well, I'm a black belt in origami. I'm also a professional and as part of a team I manage an extremely large enterprise deployment of Windows clients and servers and I know what I am talking about. Windows firewall is perfectly suitable as a client firewall no matter what the commercial AV software companies tell you.
I would not advise a typical user to browse the web with only a firewall (Windows or otherwise) under normal circumstances. In context though, as a method of connecting to the internet initially to pull down additional layers of security it is perfectly fine.
hindle8907
08-07-09, 08:20 AM
kool lol.
when you put it like this then yeah.
I would not advise a typical user to browse the web with only a firewall (Windows or otherwise) under normal circumstances. In context though, as a method of connecting to the internet initially to pull down additional layers of security it is perfectly fine.
but in a bussiness you really need a better firewall than microsoft one .
Something with more configuration/features i mannage an office of 200 users and sophos firewall
you can get into a whole lot of crap using windoes firewall if you have a q blancers in place on your network ect .. ect .
OK on the internet now :D
called sky & they told me to type in my network key again - quite likely the problem as the keyboard is fubarred & a couple of keys are "toublesome" :lol:
Would have been better to have a more helpful error message than "limited connectio, Fir..." as if it was the Firewall:roll:
OK so what security now? AVG?
but in a bussiness you really need a better firewall than microsoft one
I'm sorry but I dont agree. I dont want to get into a tit for tat on this as it comes down to personal preference to some extent, but it is good enough to support an enterprise with 120,000 clients. There arent many installations bigger than that, certainly none that require a fundementally different approach.
From a management perspective, some of the commercial vendors have products with more friendly user interfaces but in a business, especially a big one, this can be done with group policy anyway so no big deal.
hindle8907
08-07-09, 08:48 AM
kool beans lol . anyways at least the OP is working :) :)
OK on the internet now :D
called sky & they told me to type in my network key again - quite likely the problem as the keyboard is fubarred & a couple of keys are "toublesome" :lol:
Would have been better to have a more helpful error message than "limited connectio, Fir..." as if it was the Firewall:roll:
OK so what security now? AVG?
Excellent, got there in the end. I hear you on the error message but it is accurate really. The client does have a valid network connection even though its not yet authenticated to the wifi access point. Its just 'limited' :-) as the access point wont route you to the internet until you tap in your creds correctly.
Anyway, glad you're sorted.
Yeah thanks for all your help.
About MS Firewall it is an interesting discussion as you here everywhere "don't rely on MS Firewall" which I guess a lot comes from other commercial organisations trying to promote their products. But I also can't believe that the biggest company there is gets away with something that doesn't work.
So is it all about how MS Firewall is set up & managed?
But for me is AVG fine? & how to be sure I'm getting it from a safe place :D
hindle8907
08-07-09, 08:59 AM
http://free.avg.com/
ms firewall is fine for home use but it doenst stop infection if you click downlaod or open on a trojan/virus.
and i was just saying that in a bussiness if you have mutiple DSL/ADSL conections and vpn's and qbalancers stuff like this where you have to work with loadz of ports ect ms firewall imo is not up to the job.
http://free.avg.com/
ms firewall is fine for home use but it doenst stop infection if you click downlaod or open on a trojan/virus.
But this is exactly why security protection should be provided in layers. A firewall is not designed to protect against click jacking or downloads, thats getting into packet inspection or detection at the client using AV or ASpyware software. yeah you might buy a suite that does all of these things but its not typically a firewall role.
and i was just saying that in a bussiness if you have mutiple DSL/ADSL conections and vpn's and qbalancers stuff like this where you have to work with loadz of ports ect ms firewall imo is not up to the job.
With the number of clients we have, we have examples of just about every usage scenario you could imagine, in most countries in the world. We have a network spanning some 600 sites with all manner of remote connection methods, vpns, direct internet links, edge firewalls, packet shapers etc etc and still the Windows firewall seems up to the job.
You need a port open, then you specify a port, maybe its source IP range, maybe IPsec authentication etc etc. We havent found anything that it wasnt able to do. it doesnt have a glitzy user interface but then it doesnt need one. Windows Vistas firewall takes things much further still, its a very very capable firewall.
+1 for windows firewall. It does the job. It's a firewall. It's not an antivirus, antimalware or detection intrusion system. If you don't know the difference, don't slag it off.
(and it takes a lot for me to say good things about anything microsoft)
hindle8907
08-07-09, 09:58 AM
[quote=flymo;1966035]but this is exactly why security protection should be provided in layers. A firewall is not designed to protect against click jacking or downloads, thats getting into packet inspection or detection at the client using av or aspyware software. Yeah you might buy a suite that does all of these things but its not typically a firewall role.
i didnt say a fire wall stopped these things as the op was saying that people say dont trust ms fire wall i was just pointing out that its fine to use this but it doesnt stop trojans Ect there for he will need an Anti viru/spyware protection.
lol anways i cant be bother now.
but as for vista thats a whole other debate lol ..... but i tent to keep away if possible when i buy workstations for my network i allways make sure they are downgradable to XP.
hindle8907
08-07-09, 10:00 AM
+1 for windows firewall. It does the job. It's a firewall. It's not an antivirus, antimalware or detection intrusion system. If you don't know the difference, don't slag it off.
(and it takes a lot for me to say good things about anything microsoft)
not once did i say it was any of the above.
Spiderman
08-07-09, 10:01 AM
Stu... i used AVG for a couple of years and thought it was good. Tried Antivir one day and it found trojans on my system that AVG didn't find at all.
So I'd suggest Antivir or Avast, both are free and both have daily updates to protect your system and both should be downloadable from their own websites so you need not worry about where to download them from being safe.
HTH
i didnt say a fire wall stopped these things as the op was saying that people say dont trust ms fire wall i was just pointing out that its fine to use this but it doesnt stop trojans Ect there for he will need an Anti viru/spyware protection.
The OP didnt say anything of the sort. We were discussing the need to connect to the net to pull down security software when configuring a new client (e.g AV software etc etc) and you said...
windoes xp firewall dont stop quat lol
Thats what started the debate. It does stop attacks, just not every type of attack. As said, its a firewall and as a firewall it works as well as anything else out there. A trojan is a totally different type of attack, something that a firewall is not designed to protect against.
In context though, a brand new client with no AV protection etc running XP SP2 or 3, or Vista or Windows 7 (other OSs are available) has a capable firewall enabled by default. Its then perfectly safe to go and download your AV software and whatever else you need to secure the client. If you choose to go downloading porn and free ringtones at the same time then of course it will do jack to protect you.
hindle8907
08-07-09, 10:22 AM
well for some one thats not that clued up on computers.
going on the net to download virus software is proberly more likely to download a Virus/trojan ect
than going on a porn site !!
so there for the MS firewall wouldnt stop squat .
well for some one thats not that clued up on computers.
going on the net to download virus software is proberly more likely to download a Virus/trojan ect
than going on a porn site !!
so there for the MS firewall wouldnt stop squat .
You think it would be safer to disable it?
hindle8907
08-07-09, 10:33 AM
Obviously not lol . but in terms of the op going and downloading AV software the windoes fire wall isnt going to stop much isit if he enters a rouge site .
Spiderman
08-07-09, 10:44 AM
You see all this bickering over firewalls is redundant if he used my advice and commited the security stuff to disc first and ran it before he even went near that dirty ho that we call the web ;)
Obviously not lol . but in terms of the op going and downloading AV software the windoes fire wall isnt going to stop much isit if he enters a rouge site .
But it would protect against anonymous network attacks to his client, just what a client firewall is designed to do. Conversely, if you go browsing with your pants down (no client firewall) but protected to the brim with AV software you will still be vulnerable to network attacks. All comes down to layering.
the_lone_wolf
08-07-09, 11:02 AM
There's only one way to settle this...
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/jackb2302/HarryHill_fight-1.jpg
There's only one way to settle this...
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w113/jackb2302/HarryHill_fight-1.jpg
Excellent :-), right I'm bored with this now......next
whats the best...VHS or Betamax?
hindle8907
08-07-09, 11:09 AM
mabe i should of worded my post diffrently then .
interms of downloading (Security software) the windoes firewall isnt going to stop quat .
hindle8907
08-07-09, 11:09 AM
lets just for getit now . lol
i throw in the towle .
Spiderman
08-07-09, 11:16 AM
whats the best...VHS or Betamax?
Gotta be LazerDisc, you know the old 12" sized jobbies :lol:
Gotta be LazerDisc, you know the old 12" sized jobbies :lol:
Yeah you find loads of them in junk shops these days. We could never afford one when I was a kid
these babies...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laserdisc
Spiderman
08-07-09, 11:46 AM
Thats the fellas. We could never afford them either, dont think many people could.
I always wanted to by a blank disc and hang it on my wall when i was a kid tho. Pretend my first recored had gone gold, lol.
timwilky
08-07-09, 11:50 AM
My cousin won one. Watching his Duran Duran Rio video on it was amazing at the time
more like...
in terms of downloading (anything) a firewall isnt going to stop quat .
Spiderman
08-07-09, 11:52 AM
My cousin won one. Watching his Duran Duran Rio video on it was amazing at the time
Has he still got it in the loft or anything? I'd love to know how the picture quality is now comapred to plain old DVD.
timwilky
08-07-09, 11:56 AM
Doubt it, he gave his house to his kids and moved out to live in sin with a nurse younger than his daughters. So I guess they trashed everything he left behind
hindle8907
08-07-09, 11:58 AM
more like...
why u carring it on . :smt117
Spiderman
08-07-09, 12:00 PM
Doubt it, he gave his house to his kids and moved out to live in sin with a nurse younger than his daughters. So I guess they trashed everything he left behind
Luky git. I'd give up my lazerdisc for that too, lol.
Maybe thats what was on the last Laserdisc he watched :smt007
well im microsoft certified professional and i wouldnt go advising people to browse the net with just microsoft firewall eneabled lol.
Paying .... lol who pays for stuff ?
;)
did anyone else spot where the credibility went downhill? :viking:
(sorry just fanning the flames here)
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