underage drinking

[sv_rory]

Hi

Does anybody know where you report a pub that serves people underage?

[BanditPat]

Why would you want to?

[james160987]

police? non emergy number -

spoil sport lol

But if there casuing a pain then fiar nuff, its its some 16/17 year olds sitting on a table quielty in the garden then not really worth the trouble,

id prefere them to be there than binge drinking on the corner outside my house,

[custard]

police licensing officer, or council licensing officer. or crimestoppers.

[TazDaz]

Why would you want to?

+1...unless extremely underage, like 12 year olds.

[Paul the 6th]

nspcc

[sv_rory]

The reason I want to do this is that the 2 particular kids that are drinking there are complete idiots and are violent towards people etc. I informed the land lord that he was serving people underage and he gave me a load of attitude and told me that these guys were over 18!

I told him i know there not and if he continues to serve them I will report him, he is still serving the kids

[TazDaz]

But what if there are a dozen other underage drinkers which don't cause any trouble...ruins their fun.

Deal with the kids...not the establishment.

[BanditPat]

The reason I want to do this is that the 2 particular kids that are drinking there are complete idiots and are violent towards people etc. I informed the land lord that he was serving people underage and he gave me a load of attitude and told me that these guys were over 18!

I told him i know there not and if he continues to serve them I will report him, he is still serving the kids



Ever thought that they showed him ID? Fake or not if it looks real and an authentic looking fake ID is extremely easy to come by then why would he believe you over the 'ID'. And if there not drinking inside there going to do it outside on the street.

[Sally]

Remember when you were underage and went to the pub, and were drinking with the 'lads', and you felt great.
I would just leave them be tbh.
Also, I fall into the underage category :(

[keithd]

i suspect that most of the "spoilsport" etc comments come from people who are underage themselves? as the man has said, these kids are being rude and violent towards others so i dont think the defence of live and let live applies here, personally.

[Jabba]

Their license will be issued by the Local Authority. Report it there.

I wouldn't report it if they were 17 years old and behaving but would otherwise.

[Quedos]

Quickest and easiest - local authority - backed up in writing to the Chief Con and Licensing board.- they will need to investigate every written complaint and if you do it now the report should be completed for next board and then it can be discussed at that point and give the landlord the chance to state his case - or they can just revoked his licence/issue fines without question (and normally instantly) Bearing in mind that the chain will be fined as will the landlord and which ever member of the staff served them (staff max £5000 1st instance i've seen £2500 normal fine)
There should also be Licensing Standards Officers(local authority - Envir/Protective services ) - who should also be able to deal with this in the first instance and talk to both parties and hopefully sort it out before the intervention with police.

As for reporting it - regardless of whether of not they are behaving - you ultimatley will be doing the pub a favour - if it all kicks off by someone else, police decide to do a raid or local LSO's turn up etc etc the landlord will be s*** on with a ton of bricks - with chains ultimately sacking Gross Misconduct and no reference. Sorry but from someone whos been there etc etc. Theres is no excuse for underage in pubs these days - the penalty's are too severe for most people to take the risk.

[SoulKiss]

Why not, if they can be identified/are known to you, have a word with the parents of the kids?

Report the landlord and the pub could end up closed if its already only marginally profitable, which will probably inconvenience you more.

[Stingo]

Have the courage of your convictions!! Report the SOB.
'All it takes for evil to prevail is for good people to do nothing'.

He knows the rules - what else is he getting away with?

[Biker Biggles]

Used to be able to get a beer in certain pubs from age about 14,and a can of brown ale from the offie on the way home from school.Weekend party used to involve getting a "party seven" or two.

Its not the ability to get drink that is the problem for younger teenagers,more the fact that there are no consequences for bad behaviour whether caused by drink or not.Seems to me we are far to keen to restrict and legislate people,rather than make them responsible for their actions.

[SoulKiss]

Used to be able to get a beer in certain pubs from age about 14,and a can of brown ale from the offie on the way home from school.Weekend party used to involve getting a "party seven" or two.

Its not the ability to get drink that is the problem for younger teenagers,more the fact that there are no consequences for bad behaviour whether caused by drink or not.Seems to me we are far to keen to restrict and legislate people,rather than make them responsible for their actions.

Which is why I suggested the Parents be the 1st port of call as they SHOULD be able to bring better sanctions to bear on them than the law...

Its not the Pub thats really the problem, its the kids after they have been drinking, which they will do whether its in the pub, or in the park.

[CoolGirl]

svr - is the pub a member of the local pubwatch? it doesn't have the formal clout of the other approaches offered here, but it might be worth looking into if you're after a lighter touch.

[John 675]

i never serve the little roaches that attempt it at the pub i work atm, and they all do, it really isnt worth it.. i can get an £80 fine per underager i serve.. thats more than 4 days work sometimes.. screw them i dont even like 18 year olds in, epecially loud studenty ones.. they buy a lime cordial and soda between about 4 of them.. put other customers off by talking crap and proceed to tear up our beer matts... which i then have to clear up.. pfft cheap asses... ;)

and there not all like it but 99.9% of the ones that come in our pub are so its hard not to tar and feather them.. falling about the pub after a pint.. pfft.... rising inflection using cheap irritaing roaches.. what happend to 10 liters of cider and a park bench!! :D

although on a serious note.. many pubs around here are going strictly over 21.. so maybe thats the way its going? i think there is a vast percentge that do ruin it for others in that age catagory though and it is a shame.

[Magnum]

lol what a spoilsport!
Sort the guys out yourself...they claim to be 18, so theres no harm in a bit of a punch up.

I dont know what id do with myself if i couldnt go out and drink. Its great being underage most of the time...everyone older brings me the drinks.

[yorkie_chris]

Not worth the hassle, police will end up on their side when they inevitably whinge about a kicking, especially if they deserve one.

If the landlords given you a load of gob when you've complained about people being unreasonable in his boozer he doesn't deserve a license! Even though normally I am all in favour of underage drinking when it's sensible!

[Specialone]

Without sounding like im becoming an old fart, i think some teenagers now are lawless without a drink, so full of alcohol they are a nightmare.

I used to frequent pubs with a load of friends when i was 16 but never got into trouble.
We used to drink in the the park etc or at someones house whose parents were not in and still hardly got any complaints, mainly neighbours or residents telling us to move on, which we did.

Society has moved on since then, for the worst imo.
There is total lack of respect now by some teenagers and young people for any type of establishment.
If the landlord refuses service, he will no doubt get abuse of some kind, his car damaged or graffiti on the pub walls.
Ask the police, underage drinking, especially in large groups, is causing loads of problems with anti social behaviour etc and the facts are it wasnt nowhere near as bad 20 odd years ago, so whats it gonna be like in the next 20 years.
My point, responsible underage drinking can be ok, but not always.

[Graciepants]

lol what a spoilsport!
Sort the guys out yourself...they claim to be 18, so theres no harm in a bit of a punch up.

not true - i'm 21 and have worked as a bar maid since i was 18. i'm 5'5 im not exactly threatening, and so have you any idea how hard and intimidating it is to go up to a group of drunk teenagers and ask them to either quieten down or leave, or field off all their lewd remarks and comments? when its me in charge, i am the one expected to sort it out and if they are behaving in a way thats emptying my pub or upsetting everyone else, i have to deal with it.

if they are underage they shouldnt be there, it will go on MY criminal record and i will be fined - like LyleJ said £80 is a lot of money for us. if they are just there for a quiet drink and they are friends of some of the other staff then it it can be ok to turn a blind eye (imo), im pretty easy going, but if they are like what the OP described then it should be reported.